Private Schools
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by Zeta Stanley (Member 10256988) on 5-Mar-2011
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I Pauline, you remember the teachers names at the PNEU, me I can't
remember any of them, but I do have a photo of us all dressed up I guess
for a show that was put on probably for the parents, I will send it in.
I also went to Greggs Commercial College in Ealing from 1945 to
1948.
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by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 5-Mar-2011
Zeta-my cousin,Pamela Spikins may have overlapped with you at Greggs.
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 5-Mar-2011
Sorry Zeta, I didn't ever go to the PNEU. I should have said it was Tudor road school I was referring to.
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 6-Mar-2011
Zeta, I was also working in
Ealing Broadway in 1946 at the Car & General Insurance Company when
you were at Greggs School. We were in the building at the top and looked
across to Lyons & Co. We used to wave at two Danish boys who were
studying at a Business school in Ealing. I did go out with one and he
wrote to me when he went back to Denmark. I can still remember his name
and address in Denmark as his father owned a huge store in Viborg. ... more >>
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by Zeta Stanley (Member 10256988) on 9-Mar-2011
Hi Pauline, I remember Lyons we
used to go there at lunch time, and get a buttered roll, a Lancashire
Hot Pot, oh they were lovely. I worked in Woolworths in Ealing
Broadway when I was 14 on a Saturday for pocket money, got 10 shillings
for the day.
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Mar-2011
worked woolies 19 weeks saturdays
age 15 1964 £1..ha..gone up...paid for dormers school trip
salzburg..train b and b...tour place...we girls were moved out of
square..found out sound music being filmed..ha..6th form we went to see
it leicester sq new huge screens dolby sound quad or
something......kings speech excelllent in comfy new cinema now...was
wonderful...mozart and beethoven...filming sets script acting superb ... more >>
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 9-Mar-2011
Just to think Zeta, you could
have been eating in there while my friend and I were looking at you
across the road. I can still see those large Gold emblazoned letters J.
Lyons & Co. We usually went to the ABC just around the corner,
opposite Ealing Broadway Station. Mostly we took sandwiches and sat on a
little green somewhere - can't remember whereabouts it was. As for
Woolies in West Ealing I used
to take my two little sisters there, especially around Christmas time,
and it was lovely with all the tinsel and the little bits and pieces you
could buy. We all loved it. They always wanted to go into Rowses where
there was a huge stuffed animal. Can't remember if it was a bear or not!
Lovely days. ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Mar-2011
little green probably just north
of abcfeathers pub there...is haven green..often taxi rank corner
there......lots have had lunch there big trees edging...buses wait 65
there for kew...opposite station......other green is across rd from
abc.....then down south opposite was bentalls sanders..to walpole pk and
green out front..often used for lunches....
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 9-Mar-2011
Thanks Yvonne - Haven Green does
ring a bell. It's strange you can remember some things quite clearly and
others not at all. I remember that although we all went in to work, we
were allowed to go to the little cinema across the road in Ealing
Broadway to watch the film of the wedding of Princess Elizabeth and
Prince Phillip in November 1947. Not much work got done that day!
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Mar-2011
lovely to see the wedding
apparently wet day november....little one bond st across rd...is that
old one..they preserved the ornate front....on display around the side
now...was the original old cinema ealing broadway,,,...tv today and we
have these modern royal weddings...music is always lovely and surprise
to see the nice dress...zara edinburgh kirk 30 july then holyrood
palace.....friday 29apr.kate........they
both tossed the pancake....have relaxed fun to each other.... to
make..the constant duties go better....newz australia wills next
wk...canada after the wedding alberta ottawa...special street party
kates family rd clarence st southall....pathe think saw queens wedding
on google...... ... more >>
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by John W (Member 10082501) on 10-Mar-2011
Does anyone remember the name of
the Motorcycle parts shop on Bond St. I remember a long queue on
Saturday morning waiting to get parts.
I think it might have been called Kays but I'm not sure.
Any old motorbikers out there?
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Mar-2011
bond st old little rd off
broadway ....old cinema down bottom on right west side........on tv few
months ago....little old shop I went in 1970s......he came on tv said in
family 100yrs....electronic bits were radio parts...windows always
piled high..little parts for everything electrical etc....one of the
oldest shops in family run was on tv.......
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by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 10-Mar-2011
Hi John the motorbike shop was K of Ealing
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by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 10-Mar-2011
Did you know John that Kays had half the cellers in that row.
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by John W (Member 10082501) on 10-Mar-2011
Now you mention it, I do remember
the m/c parts dept was downstairs, the queue would be all the way up
the stairs. They also sold drawing instruments on the first floor I
believe.
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by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 10-Mar-2011
Thats right John i remember the slow move down the stairs Saturday morning.
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by Zeta Stanley (Member 10256988) on 11-Mar-2011
Hi Pauline I remember going to
that cinema in Bond Street, I seem to recall it had a tin roof and when
it rained you could hear it, it may have been damaged in the war, what
was the name of that drapers they sold curtains etc., on the other
corner, was Sandersons!!!!!
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Mar-2011
on the corner next to old
cinema...YES I went in there 1970 bought candlewick spread good sale on
cheap......long time now it is oneill pub restaurant and looks like high
flats above ...may be B and B.hotel................but at
broadway....big corners was bentalls sayers north corner and opposite
south corner sanders huge store 100ys..lilley skinner shoe shop other
corner.........big church spire......sanders
sold most thing and cloth...........they have kept the art deco facade
cinema zeta and stood it around the corner near entrance to walpole
pk...........1970s old cinema for yrs derelict.....1990s or so changed
into shops....photos of all on our boards.......ealing pubs as well
photos....southall etc most pub photos there......ideal home exhibition
just opened ..50yr coronation st built there pub and barlows
etc.......with modern solar panel home behind.......we went manchester
tv set once tour around ..down st etc etc.... ... more >>
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 11-Mar-2011
It's strange Zeta, I've probably
got it wrong, but I thought the cinema we went in to watch the wedding
of Elizabeth and Phillip was opposite our offices in Ealing Broadway -
further along.
It was a long time ago though 64 years!!
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Mar-2011
big one in the broadway...there
many yrs modernised etc.....on our photos etc last couple
yrs..scaffolding......council says in gazette slow but process new
screen complex there.......opposite town hall....registry office wedding
steps........on uxbridge rd by bus stop........many have used that so
many yrs ....more modern than the very old one down bond st.....1947 the
modern uxb rd one was bound
to do the wedding.......we had tv at work for anne wedding..think
margarets as well............1981 diana......can video and go up there
as well ...ha both....music always lovely...and star type veil queen had
was delicate and elegant...tiara of queen mary.....old king gave her
away...blonde tall philip...90 now...abbey has been given grant
money........several inside being..redone.....some amazing work....make
ancient art items new......says in time for wedding..and outside white
gold cleaned london pollution..now....... as was for pope. ... more >>
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 11-Mar-2011
No, Yvonne, it definitely wasn't
as far down as the Town Hall. We were running across to the one I
remember several times in the day.
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Fairey Aviation Hayes
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by Zeta Stanley (Member 10256988) on 5-Mar-2011
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Val mentioned that he worked for the Fairey Aviation, I remember going
there dancing, when Ted Heath was becoming popular, and bands were
copying him, did anyone go there?
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 5-Mar-2011
I went there with my friend
Mauvine when we were about 15 plus. We got inside and there were loads
of American GI's jitterbugging and throwing girls up in the air and over
their hips. It was very noisy. I remember we only stopped in there for
about half an hour watching it all, and then decided to go home!
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by Zeta Stanley (Member 10256988) on 6-Mar-2011
Hi Pauline, I went to the Fairey
when I about 15 too, had to be home by 10 and it was hard to leave, I
loved the big bands. Talking about Tudor Rd, Pauline, did you
remember Miss Ball, she lived in Delamere Rd.
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Mar-2011
AEC.......photos
board28....others on other boards.........key to aerial
photo..aec...millwright....etc...24 sept 1940 bomb hit service
area..aec.took 6mths get back to normal...night shift went in shelters
nobody hurt.......today for first time ever cant get board25 back to
first board.....26 to 30 ok....dont know why...try tomorrow if get
chance
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Private Schools
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by Zeta Stanley (Member 10256988) on 4-Mar-2011
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I went to the PNEU in 1938 and left when the war broke out - to Tudor Road.
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 4-Mar-2011
You were a bit behind me Zeta as I
was there in the Infants in 1936. No doubt you remember the dreaded
Miss Hannett the Headmistress, with grey hair tied in a bun at the back,
with pursed lips, and very fond of using the cane in the Assembly Hall
in the morning. In the Juniors do you remember Mrs Jones a Welsh
teacher, Miss Green, Miss Rumming - who used to teach in the hut, Miss
Kingsnorth and Miss
Trent who was the Headmistress. I think there was a Miss Smith as well.
She retired while I was there. Straight grey hair, and used to punch you
in the ribs when you were sitting in class - and talking! I can still
remember the toilets in the infants with the little wooden swing doors
and the heavy drinking cup on a chain in the playground. What happy days
despite the war. ... more >>
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 4-Mar-2011
In defence of Miss Smith, she was
a wonderful storyteller, and every lesson we had with her, she finished
reading a bit more from one of her books. We all sat absolutely
spellbound while she read. She also taught a bit of history at times,
and on one occasion she said that what she was going to tell us was very
important. She said "James V1 of Scotland became James 1 of England".
If she said it once, she
said it ten times. In fact I got really fed up with it. However, not
that it has made any great difference to my life, I have remembered it,
as I expect lots of the others did. We all gave a few coppers for a
collection when she retired, and I was elected to buy an artificial
flower for her coat from the dress shop on the corner of Beechcroft
Avenue (can't remember the name) Len knew it! ... more >>
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by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 4-Mar-2011
Zeta-the boy next door to us, Richard Pannell went to the PNEU school, as did his friend from Palgrqave Avenue,George Southall
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by Zeta Stanley (Member 10256988) on 6-Mar-2011
I remember Miss Trent but not the
others, when I visited Tudor Rd in 1994, the headmistress showed me
around and the assembly hall was exactly the same, the only difference
was the gas lights had gone, I looked into my old classroom in the
corner, very nostalgic.
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 6-Mar-2011
Zeta how wonderful to see inside
Tudor road school. I can remember looking out of the front window of our
class to the top of the road. Do you remember the Alphabet on the
right-hand side of the wall on long posters? A for Apple (and a picture)
B for Bear C for Cat etc. We had to go through it all every single day.
The little milk bottles we had with a straw - ice coming out of the top
in the winter and
tasting sour in the summer ugh! The horrible squeak when the teacher
was cleaning the chalk off the blackboard, and the little prayer we said
every afternoon before we went home. Such happy days. ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Mar-2011
the schools do try and show old
students around..deputy head said I could go o doormers...write phone
email date they can manage it and sure they would show you round hall
corridors etc tudor now....new organ st george..etc...
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by Zeta Stanley (Member 10256988) on 9-Mar-2011
Hello Michael, I don't remember
anyone at the PNEU, which is a shame, the photo I have didn't come out
very well, I must try and do it again, it's a bit faded.
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by jean edward (Member 10247075) on 15-Mar-2011
Can somebody tell me what PNEU stands for, I gather it was a school but I cant remember it. h e l p!!
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Mar-2011
best wishes jean...parents
national education union...it is on friends reunited site.......think
only 20 left in the country now...one at rickmansworth by ruislip
middx.........infants young was it 4yrs old......think southall closed
1939....it was by holy trinity church off uxbridge rd there opposite
southall pk.....zeta went there then onto tudor rd primary...mikes 2
friends around north rd...went
to it...........photo on or boards..lovely group..of fairies I think
..about 15 or so in the group..1936 ish.........all the best to you
jean..... ... more >>
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by jean edward (Member 10247075) on 15-Mar-2011
Yvonne, thanks for the prompt reply - I was delving into my poor old brain but couldn't come up with it.
I know now, thanks a lot. Jean
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 15-Mar-2011
Jean - I know this is nothing to
do with Private Schools, but thought of you yesterday when I had a
letter from an old neighbour of mine in Langley to say that the lovely
old pub "THE HARROW" in Langley Village has closed, and there is to be a
takeaway! I know you would remember it, just past the War Memorial. It
had such a huge forecourt.
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Mar-2011
jean on google some of them took
them at 3 yrs old nursery.......today we have lots of that...2 parents
working....but not so many in the 30s.....but busy times southall in the
30s.....growing factory office ever expanding town..rail and canal.main
trunk route road to london..with more main routes roads growing
nearby.....3 yr olds start.it has proved many yrs later how
beneficial....nursery young
start can be......especially if only child and learn to play others and
learn....listen watch with mother otherwise used to be at
home......wireless tv.......library books.. ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Mar-2011
pauline jean .it is useful have
let the site dead pubs by kevan know..interesting there all landlords
records of pubs..on google harrow langley..lovely direct into street
view quicker than usual way..green countryside..review and score one in
the list.....also lovely large such good quality photo of the post
office 1987.....home of langley village berks .click..and survey slough
heritage forum is good
with also the famous people......seems in the high st,,with canal not
far....says antisocial behaviour harrow market langley.......the 3
horseshoes southall was boarded behaviour.but listed because edwardian
architecture and centre of ancient history of southall..so camra society
visited and it was reopened............grandchildren may look back on
these yrs and see it was the biggest change of society life....few pubs
left..of workers and social.times of times gone by......turned
restaurant surviving ones.........perhaps ... more >>
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 15-Mar-2011
It's a shame about The Harrow
Pub. It used to be a picturesque pub, but we left long before Langley
College was built or the Harrow Market. I'm afraid once the Road
Research Laboratories were demolished and Langley College was built,
everything changed!
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by jean edward (Member 10247075) on 16-Mar-2011
Hi Pauline, thanks for that, of
course I remember the Harrow well - very impressive building for a small
village - fancy them putting a takeaway there, dont people use pubs
anymore!!!
We left Langley in 1967 to come to Australia, and luckily Adelaide is
not like the big citiies Sydney and Melbourne, it is more like a country
town - but I still miss Langley it was the first home we bought
after we got married in 1955. cheers jean ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Mar-2011
thought adelaide must be nice
like that....good...saw sydney canberra melbourne..and went off from
darwin.....my goodness they like the stubbies.....bottles larger
beer.......but gdad and uncles..southall...it was fullers watney youngs
breweries nearby......dark beers..stout guiness at park royal...brown
ale .bitter etc........many are victorian pubs...kept and would be in
conversation local landmarks...like
a map ...by the pub...known by generations..social,,,,,but the
generations local men heavy hard work.their watering hole....main work
refreshment and socialise weekends recreation..with wifes etc......such
different activity today..so many into restaurant pubs.........whole
length of many old high streets are eating places and refreshments
..then the big shopping malls have the fashion etc..with supermarkets
store complexes sell everything else......landlords try to stay open so
change have sky sport tv football etc...big screens.....gazette says
they are putting big screens up....local towns for royal wedding so old
street party turned into huge giant screen...but crowd participation in
good time......pavement cafe element many high streets we have like
paris or spain but we dont have the weather ...ha ... more >>
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 16-Mar-2011
Jean, you will probably remember
the huge fire when the Wood Yard caught fire next to the Harrow pub. My
husband and I and our two girls went to watch it. If you tap in Google
"Langley wood yard fire" and then click on "Glazing 24 hours etc." you
will discover over 200 photos - some very old - of Langley. I could just
about make out the back of a man my husband knew, Percy Beckett, who
always had an old
English Sheep Dog, and used to collect a lot of money for charity, using
his dog. He used to catch the train at Langley Station every morning
with all the rest of the crowd (including my husband) who all worked at
EMI Hayes. I think they all used to get in the same carriage. I remember
getting up very early in the morning to cook a good breakfast and make
the sandwiches before he left!
Such happy days. ... more >>
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General Southall
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by Zeta Stanley (Member 10256988) on 4-Mar-2011
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Yvonne, talking of Townfield School, I remember there were underground
shelters that were off bounds to us, I believe it was part of some
Airforce Training place not sure on that, anyway us kids would get into
them through the escape hatches and play around in them, and if we got
caught we got detention, your'e right I was one of them that got caught.
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Mar-2011
best wish zeta glad you enjoy
site..good for everybody well done..townsfield had been closed several
yrs when I visited 1980s..chose some bits left in the hall.........place
very sad then dark..eerie..ha.....now modern bright hayes college
campus.......lived off coldharbour a while so know the area....all the
very besy ytxx
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Mar-2011
southall football.....of boys
brigade paul goddard...and alan devonshire....west ham came friendly
game..and carry on team and jack wilder.......carnival..corner of
regina..sweets badges thrown.....girlsboys brig bands....floats
lorries..southall guides alice wonderland cook and flowerpots going over
bridges....special for 1965 southall became borough...trampoline
marquee flowers..,george allan lil
sylvia did tents..he was spikes bridge parky.....circus biily smart
tommy trinder..planet apes in arena..mayor raffle
ticket...fireworks......photos north rd school passage green shops..and
very olf boarded sweet shop school passage on boards29/30.gas wks...top
locks..old southall garage petrol old type pumps....photos there ... more >>
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bobby Gordons dance school
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by Zeta Stanley (Member 10256988) on 4-Mar-2011
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Does anyone know if Bobby Gordon as the name seems to ring a bell had
dancing lessons at The Horse Shoes in Southall, I went there and we did
ballet, acrobats and tap dancing, this would have been just prior to the
war and maybe 1940
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by maggie shaw (Member 10255238) on 4-Mar-2011
In early 1960s I had dancing
lessons upstairs in The Three Horseshoes but these were run by a lovely
couple called Maurice Valence and Kathleen Bonner. I'm still in touch
with Angela Wade the publican's daughter who also attended the dance
classes. She lives in Spain and was recently widowed. Those were happy
days and we travelled all over England to dancing competitions.
I'm not familiar with Bobby Gordons but do know that the upstairs rooms at the pub were used regularly for dancing classes.
Thanks for the memory
Maggie Shaw, née Robinson
Buxy, France (born 1948 ex North Road, Dormers Wells, left UK in 1966) ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Mar-2011
maggie same yr as me dormers get back to you tomorrow got workmen in..best wish
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by Chris (Member 10220786) on 4-Mar-2011
I went to BOBBY GORDONS DANCE
SCHOOL at Northfields Avenue a day school.I attended the pre-school
nursery section. Uniform was white pleated dresses, panama hat - very
strict there. I left at the age of 5 to go to North Road Infants.
Although I was there from the age of 4 to 5 I remember it so well. Not
all good memories either. Chris x x
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by Chris (Member 10220786) on 4-Mar-2011
I attended Bobby gordons during the late 1940's. Chris x
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by sheila iddenden (Member 10235498) on 4-Mar-2011
i went to dancing lessons at the
fairlawn hall and i think thatmay have been bobby gordon who ran that
class i was no good at dancing as i did nt know my right from my left
and i might add stiit is still a problem good job i dont drive
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by Chris (Member 10220786) on 5-Mar-2011
I wasn't any good either
Sheila......that's why I was taken away from the Dance School and sent
to North Road. I recall my Mum got my uniform, second hand, from a lady
who had a hair-dressers near Woodford's bakery opposite the Police
Station. Chris xx
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Mar-2011
maggie...................do you
mean left dormers 66 .as I did...zeta went tap dance 3
horseshoes..photos pub on our photoboards.....best wishes to you and
yours.....1966.dormers had just built new sci block fischel...6th form
and new toilets....well corridor so you looked over and down...library
art in new block...this month started more build 1300 students..they
have swim pool there...photos our
board..and on friendsreunited..memory section..teachers..reunions and
students by yrs..discuss memories and photos there dormers.....etc
etc..see if you are my yr..was A stream..cavel mauve house......best
wishes france ... more >>
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by maggie shaw (Member 10255238) on 7-Mar-2011
Dear Yvonne,
I attended Dormers Wells for only two years from 1961 as took 13+ exam
which qualified me to go to Hampton School of Commerce. Dormer's
headmistress, Miss Morris, tried to pursuade my mother that it would
kill me if I went there because it was such a long way to go. However,
off I went at 6h30 every morning, changing buses at Brentford and
Isleworth and Twickenham to Hampton. I made
lifelong friends there and learned Commercial skills that set me on the
road jobs in Europe and Africa. I left Southall in 1966. My mother,
Renee Robinson, was an excellent dressmaker and ran a small business
from our home in St. John's Road. She left Southall in 1972. My
grandparents, Annie and William Goodall lived near the film studios in
Gladstone Road and also had two sons call Fred and Leslie. Perhaps
someone out there remembers them. My two brothers were David and
Phillip Robinson and both went to Featherstone Road in the 50's. Pretty
boring stuff, but you never know if a bell might ring out there
somewhere. Regards to all from our home in Burgundy, France. ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Mar-2011
best wish maggie....yes if
anybody remembers them gladstone rd..by film studio.......on friends
reunited they have clicl places and gives streets,,,,,then numbers
houses members lived yrs lived there...for you to contact...yes miss
morris secretary mrs grey...they both came from havesford west .by st
davids far wales...route across to ireland..they both retired back
there died elderly...mrs foot librarian
english teacher told me...husband and I kept visiting mrs foot all life
died elderly her daughter phoned me......july 1960 we visited from
dormers primary..see stage show gondaleers..or piates penzance..they did
annually..girls moustache dressed as boys sailors etc......started sept
1960..prefects on duty corridor hello titch got called...ha....vermeer
painting on school corridor wall wedding scene green velvet expensive
gown..hall rows cross leg class after class .was a stream..cavell hse
mauve..sports short.chambers maths..lewis cook..littler..coutts
music.grand glossy piano.holst planets suite LP she played...back stage
huge..fischel sci ..ellis hist..evans mad RE..gabriel geog...yes huge
journey for you....I left dorm 6th form 1966 went to bbc tv white
city...we have enjoyed our visits to france...morris said air hostess
glorified waitress..so she did give her opinions..tweedy brown boot
shoes....new library block art lowe above....sew on treddle.pinny white
make corners correct...later made dresses blouses......new redemeer
church opened 1964.........1966/7 comprehensive came in girls mixed with
boys......dinner hut end path sports huge field relay high jump
hockey..long jump..hurdles.......reunite has those 1960 to 62...have
look ....my nan southall 1928 and northhyde by canal 1914...married
1911.born cranford lane heston...photos dormers on reunite..mine acres
girls when we left snapped camera....kate middleton family clarence st
dudley rd down by your nan...1900s to 1955 kates mum born...1966 they
moved to norwood green.....council paying for special wedding st party
there fri 29 apr.......cousin went to france 20 yrs ago.she enjoyed.due
to come home soon parents elderly......old toilets cold near outdoor
dormers by old cobweb airraid shelter..beehive pub corner 105 bus or top
lane 207 bus trolley..uxbridge rd..photos on boards here
southall.dormers..north rd parade shops..broadway etc..see
southallboard....flickr..sites....password middlesex...free...love
yvonne tony ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Mar-2011
maggie have sent off to reunited
from you and I to linda,,,,,,,but think they go on there at millenium
excitement fad////change address email and never tell reunited......so
many...dont seem to be able to reply if they no longer have computer or
anything and dont tell reunited...linda married america many
yrs....marilyn rambert must have travelled the world..same yellow paint
her mums bungalow yrs...but
then eventually changed hands..her mum must have been born about
1928ish..1925...meant to go ask her..working moving I never got round to
it....none of us had phones those days let alone emails...pity....my
best friend 4 yrs daily feel gt affection for her......dear family they
were.....lady marg good primary they were both intelligent
girls.....linda crank went to greenford grammar...... ... more >>
- Re: bobby Gordons dance school
by Oliver Dunkin (Member 10260921) on 20-May-2011
Hello All
Very difficult to read some of these entries but I found you by searching for my aunts, Marilyn and Linda.
My late father, Geoffrey Dunkin, went to Lady Margaret school and then
to Greenford Grammar. Marilyn and Linda were are his half sisters after
their mother Edie remarried.
Both Marilyn and Linda now live in Myrtle Beach South Carolina although Marilyn is in very poor health.
I would be very interested to hear anything anyone has to say about their memories of them or of my father.
Best wishes
Oliver Dunkin ... more >>
- Re: bobby Gordons dance school
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-May-2011
dearest marilyn so sorry you are
in poor health..prhaps after all yrs dancing...60s you were the most
slim graceful dancer..coppelia with linda saw...mirror as twins you
seemed..remember you spoke well of brother when visited you bungalow...2
letters to linda last mths friends reunited..but she may have changed
email..venerbles lady marg hut by town hall ballet...mods rockers
beatles..salzburg sch
trip...have my photos of you and class mates....heard from couple of
them on reunited...mrs foot saw till she died elderly..nice....morris
retired wales..ellis..fischel..lots love to you maz...yvone tony btler
acres..4 yrs dormers..maggie shaw says hello from lady marg..with you
both ... more >>
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by Zeta Stanley (Member 10256988) on 4-Mar-2011
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Does anyone remember the name of Miriam Lothian please I think she went
to Dormers Wells school she had two brothers one was Don
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vinegar
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by roycouch (Member 10232168) on 3-Mar-2011
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I can recall, as a young lad, a man with a tricycle coming round the
streets selling vinegar. I seem to remember his call was "vinegar a
mummy dear" or something similar. What a way to make a living !
- Re: vinegar
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 3-Mar-2011
I can recall a man Comeing
round the streets Sunday afternoon, tray on his head ringing a
bell selling muffins.
- Re: vinegar
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 3-Mar-2011
Yes Denis, I also remember a man
coming round with a tray on his head, ringing a bell,shouting "Muffins
& Crumpets". That was when we lived in Bankside in 1936!
- Re: vinegar
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 3-Mar-2011
We used to buy our vinegar from
George Grubham Roy. We had to take our own bottle up to get it filled.
Unfortunately, I loved the taste of vinegar, and when I got home one day
the vinegar had gone down. My mother would have none of it, and made me
go back to tell George to fill it up properly. George did fill it up,
but eyed me very suspiciously!
- Re: vinegar
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 3-Mar-2011
Yes Pauline could be the same
man, remember he came form Somerset Rd. across L.Marg. Rd
into Lynwood Gdns. dad sent me out befor he went into
Kingsbridge Grdns.
- Re: vinegar
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 3-Mar-2011
This would be early 50s.
- Re: vinegar
by John W (Member 10082501) on 3-Mar-2011
The Muffin man used to come down Wentworth Rd.
The Rag and Bone man with his horse and cart.
Fowler's Bakery would delivery bread in something resembling a small
horse drawn cart, which the delivery man would pull around the streets.
There was a man that delivered laundry in a covered horse and cart, and
the barges on the canal were pulled by horses, my Dad would go over to
the tow path with his bucket and shovel for the horse manure for his garden.
... more >>
- Re: vinegar
by Phyl Hutnell (Member 10234816) on 4-Mar-2011
I remember the muffin man too. I
think he came to Shrubbery Road on a Sunday afternoon, tray on his head,
ringing his bell. We also had the horse drawn baker's van, and horse
drawn milk float, and then the lamp lighter used to come just when it
was getting dusk and light the street lamps. The rag and bone man had a
horse drawn cart, and he rang a bell and called out "rag bone" as he
drove slowly along. When
I was a teenager I went to ballroom dancing classes in the hall at the
side of the George and Dragon. The owner/teacher was a man called Eric,
but can't remember his surname. I got my bronze, silver and gold medals
for ballroom, but was never a 'natural' dancer - had to work at it, but
loved it back then, but nothing like Strictly!! Oh the changes we've all
seen in our lifetimes! ... more >>
- Re: vinegar
by Janice Johnson (Member 10240407) on 4-Mar-2011
Does anyone remember the man who
occasionally stood by North Road school with a pile of boxes full of
day-old chicks which he would exchange for a bundle of rags? I remember
rushing home to tell my mother and after a lot of rummaging around, she
managed to get together three small bundles of old bits and pieces so
that I could get three chicks (had two brothers who wanted a chick too).
The man wasn't
impressed, said I only had enough rags for one chick but perhaps it was
the look on my face that persuaded him to let me have three chicks. My
mother kept them in the understairs cupboard and although one died
shortly afterwards, the other two grew and started to get brown
feathers. Then another died and that left just the one who grew into a
fine cockerel and lived in a run in the back garden. We had chicken for
our Christmas dinner that year! ... more >>
- Re: vinegar
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 4-Mar-2011
We had a rag and bone man on a
horse and cart in Northcote Avenue selling chicks at times for rags.
Like you I got one chick for some rags (and he wasn't going to let me
have it). It did start to get some brown feathers, but unfortunately
developed a gammy leg. We made a small splint for him and called him
Stalin as he was so brave! However, he didn't last long poor thing. My
dad did get some cockerels
which were penned in the garden, and we also had one Rhode Island Red
chicken called Mary. She was loved by all of us and used to come belting
up the garden when we banged on her saucepan with the food in it. I
remember praying for her to lay an egg one day when we were waiting to
take it to my mum who was convalescing. She took her time! ... more >>
- Re: vinegar
by Bob Burnard (Member 10252769) on 4-Mar-2011
The Muffin man had a place at
rear of chip shop on the corner of Osterley Pk Rd, Does anyone remember
Norwood Farm Dairy milkman by the name of Bill Thunder. Had a horse and
cart till they gave him an electric hand cart, he was also a bookie that
took bets on his round, used to park the float top of Regina Rd, while
he went for a pint in the Old Oak Tree. till one day someone put it into
the canel.
- Re: vinegar
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 4-Mar-2011
Thanks Bob often wonderd where he came from.
- Re: vinegar
by thompson (Member 10241148) on 6-Mar-2011
Pauline like you I took a sherry
bottle to the Vinegar man for filling , but by the time I had reached
our front door some had been drunk.
Now I do not like vinegar on fish and chips.
I also recall the rag and bone man. Also as a kid Johnny Ives let me ride his horse of his green grocer's cart.
- Re: vinegar
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 6-Mar-2011
Hi Thompson - am not sure if you
lived in Northcote Avenue at some time. If you did, do you remember
Percy Rose who was also a Costermonger. He also had a horse and cart,
and was a right character. I always remember the boys in the road
chalked some awful words all over the wheels of his cart - can't mention
them here, but he was really mad!
- Re: vinegar
by Zeta Stanley (Member 10256988) on 14-Mar-2011
Pauline I love the one about the
vinegar, was that shop in Southall High Street on a corner, on the
elfthand side, did they sell all sorts in sacks outside? I think it was
near the Co-op.
- Re: vinegar
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 14-Mar-2011
Hi Zeta. If you mean Grubhams -
it was half way down Northcote Avenue, just on the corner past the
"Northcote Arms". It was a lovely little shop that was used by the whole
community. Lovely ham sliced while you waited on their hand operated
machine. They did invest in an electric one later on. They sold
everything in there, plus paraffin. Customers used to leave their cans
in there to be filled. I
remember you had to wait quite a while sometimes to get served. They
had a little chair in the corner for the older customers to sit on. A
wonderful little shop that everyone remembers. ... more >>
- Re: vinegar
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 14-Mar-2011
Zeta, the shop you were asking
about in Southall High Street I think was Sanders on the corner of St
George's Avenue. It had a green door and inside the door was an enamel
basin full of peas and biscuits in tins along the front of the counter.
The doorway was set into the corner, and on the opposite corner was the
Popular fish shop. Next door to Sanders was the Co-op which took you up
to Hall's the butchers then the Arcade. Len has already supplied this information on the site in the "Saxon road" thread. ... more >>
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by Zeta Stanley (Member 10256988) on 3-Mar-2011
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Did anyone belong to the Woodcraft Folk, it was run by the Co-operative
Society, I went to one in the Labour Hall in Old Hayes Town, from
around 1945 to 1950, we went camping and hiking, we all had names
relating to animals or trees etc., we did folk and morris dancing, and
we had a great choir. My Mother and Father help to run a Whist Drive
there on a Saturday too, Mum used to do the supper, mak e cakes etc., also they did the cleaning. ... more >>
- Re: General
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 3-Mar-2011
Zeta-I went to a similar one at
the Labour Hall in Southall pre-war for a few months. I remember we had a
young women come to talk to us-she had spent a year in Moscow. She drew
a rosy picture of Stalins USSR!
- Re: General
by Zeta Stanley (Member 10256988) on 4-Mar-2011
Yes Mike looking back at the
Woodcraft Folk it was a bit on the red side, one song we sang was The
Internationale and the words were very socialist. the club was very good
for young people when we went camping it was all set out like the
American Indians, in a semi circle, with the camp fire in the middle, we
had inspection in the morning all neat and tidy like the army, but had
lots of fun the kitchen was run on the army lines too, loved it ... more >>
- Re: General
by Zeta Stanley (Member 10256988) on 19-Mar-2011
Hi Pauline, you mentioned the
milk we had at Tudor Rd, yes, we paid a twopence halfpenny a week, and
like you say it was awful in the summer and froze up in the winter and
they used to put the bottles underneath radiators. Did you have school
dinners there, they must have bought them in I can't remember any
kitchens there.
- Re: General
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 19-Mar-2011
Hi Zeta I'm afraid my memory of
school dinners in the infants is very ropey. I do remember going home to
dinner when we lived at Northcote Avenue. My mother was a good cook -
steak and kidney suet pudding, rabbit stew with belly of pork and
dumplings, lots of casseroles, shepherd's pie, etc. plus a pudding,
tapioca, rice pudding, semolina, which I loved (despite what my brothers
used to tell me it
was)and apples & custard, rhubard & custard. The only time we
had a makeshift was on a Monday when mum was doing the washing, and we
had bread and cheese. Never liked going home then because the kitchen
was all horrible and steamed up. My brother mentioned in his
autobiography that the smell of the canteen was awful, just like over
used washing up water! He said he hated how some teachers would stand
over you making sure you ate everything, mouthful by mouthful, and you
were sure that the next one would make you vomit! As for the small
bottles of milk - you're memory is better than mine, as I can't remember
paying for it. I do remember it was worse in the summer, almost sour,
and the teacher made you drink it all. I remember when some children
were all going out through the door I would slip my half drunk milk back
in the crate! Teachers in those days were definitely in charge. ... more >>
- Re: General
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 19-Mar-2011
I forgot to mention my real favourites - spotted dick, treacle pudding and jam tart.
- Re: General
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 19-Mar-2011
bread pudding crusty sugar top in
meat dish sliced up..liked ron saying he saw the recipe here and went
off and cooked it..in oz......bread and butter pudding...all good for
left over stale bread.....copper monday boil wash..rinse with a
blue//mangle and out on line high with prop..gypsy dolly pegs....my aunt
made me a great wood doll our of that pipe cleaner arms.frilly
frock.age 6 went to school.with
it..sew teacher thrilled....faryle knitting twisted ribs patterns
..needles wool at home from southall broadway..gloves.jumpers cardigans
raglan.......6pm our diners always nan home from factory cook for men
and kids..eldest daughter prepared veg,,,,,lunchtime they came home for
lunch eldest sibling there giving bread jam..bread dripping or bottom
meat dish juices spread....miss morris only head of dormers..never heard
of others doing it...but from far west wales religious elderly
spinster...she made us all daily in dinner hut end of sports field...sit
8 to table.....say grace prayer ......for what we are about to
receive.........then go queue up cabbage liver...but pink custard and
sliced up from meat dishes sponges....chocolate sauce.......8 am till
5pm out of home daily hot dinner so good....cold everywhere all day.... ... more >>
- Re: General
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 19-Mar-2011
Yes, I remember the good old
bread pudding. I cut a recipe out of the Daily Mirror in the 50's when I
was at work - the Old Codgers! I have copied that recipe out for my
friends, family etc. over the years. Don't eat much bread nowadays, and
it's best for it to be a bit stale.
Oh how I remember that wonderful beef dripping on bread. Beef was cheaper than turkey in those days. Occasionally we had some of George Grubham's ham on the bone, freshly sliced - lovely grub!
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- Re: General
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 19-Mar-2011
yes nan and my aunt would soak
the bread..and think put saucer plate on it.to firm it..then all
currants sultanas..like xmas mixed spice...perfume smell aroma from the
oven..ron will get mouth watering again in oz and bake again.........my
aunt was a shocker for bread dripping she loved it......so much water
processed ham today..it is good from like grubhams firm real texture ham
flavour...just remembered
rulers and margins at school....if not one draw one...for neat
essay......idea of the history edge drawing came from margin..and
suppose ..manuscript..idea ...priests embelishments...often go to
british library new off kings cross....displays of rare items so
special..and gt kids section.......henry 8th like our manor pk
tree,,,,,costumed and stalls tudor activities..maypole etc.joist....were
marvellous there .on special tudor day free......nan and 2 aunts on the
stove suet puddings in muslin bag.and basin...all kinds... ... more >>
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Local General
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by Zeta Stanley (Member 10256988) on 1-Mar-2011
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My Dad John Hay worked at Quaker Oats just after the war, I remember
Mum saying his money was so much less after working in the ammunition
factory in Bourne Road Hayes where he was earning 16 pounds a week, down
to 9, big drop, but you glad to get a job.
- Re: Local General
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Mar-2011
yes ours worked munitions aunts
new to job so very thrilled get good wage...dangerous work..even more so
1st wwar..........but piece wk and night wk.extra money for
shifts.......they had never know..decent wage at last.......dress or
shoes ..pub night..cinema....little extra for 1st time ever
40s...labourers1890 to 1930s..terrible low wage long hrs....little bit
money in pkt at last munitions ..or factory work.......
- Re: Local General
by Zeta Stanley (Member 10256988) on 15-Mar-2011
Cousins, I remember that shop my
Mum used to my bodices from there remember them girls, they had rubber
buttons down the front, lovely and warm.
- Re: Local General
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 15-Mar-2011
Yes Zeta, my mum used to call them Liberty Bodices. As you say, they were lovely and warm.
- Re: Local General
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Mar-2011
just bit of fire in living room
rest of hse stone cold..so vests..petticoats slips for yrs...and so much
outdoor walk wait for buses..warm underwear....my aunts had rubberized
hard to pull on ....roll ons...with stockings clip.......and 50s seam up
back of fine sheer stockings.........cinema 30s 40s glamour had
influence.......black pencil drawn seam during the war when no stockings
at all.....and 1st pair
tights...what new thing they became...black thick stockings for school
warm...plimsoles and navy nickers PE....hawe made pleated games little
short navy skirts at sew lesson.... ... more >>
- Re: Local General
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 16-Mar-2011
Talking about stockings, and how
they were in short supply after the war, I can remember my friend
Mauvine and I went on a coach to visit my mother when she was in a
Sanitorium in Hertfordshire. We had this idea to paint our legs with
some mixture or other in a bottle or to be squeezed out of a tube. Can't
remember which, but I think we bought it in Woolworths. Anway, my
mother took one look at me
when I went into her ward and told me to go into the bathroom and wash
it all off! The only problem was that I then had to dry my legs, so this
orangey looking mixture got all over this beautiful white towel. I was
not the flavour of the month! ... more >>
- Re: Local General
by Dilys Boot (Member 10061138) on 16-Mar-2011
Ah yes Liberty Bodices,My mum
used to put a lining of pink stuff in mine (think it was called
Thermogene)as I always suffered from a bad chest in the winter.Also navy
blue knickers with a pocket for your handkerchief.This was as a
schoolgirl of course.
- Re: Local General
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Mar-2011
great memories ..ha..they say
gravy browning got used to stain leg...fake tan they use today all
over...ha.....my nan...so many of the woman back then..were
strict..simple in their own life and upbringing..she never wore makeup
lipstick or anything..was always home...came from rural hardwork
life,,,but her three daughters..put lipstick on down the road when they
went to pictures,,,influence of film
stars glamour...but strict victorian dad...he would have said wash that
muck of......vick rub chest with..syrup of figs...menthol
smells....hospitals smelt of disinfectant..dettol...carbolic soap..best
wishes dilys....stiletoe heels..kitten heel..later winkle pickers..point
toe fashion shoes but bunions...clarkes were always dear shoes...cold
so long zip up boots were great... ... more >>
- Re: Local General
by Zeta Stanley (Member 10256988) on 17-Mar-2011
I love you ladies, describing the
liberty bodices and stockings, and the navy bloomers with the pocket we
had to wear them for physical training didn't we!! I remember when we
first had nylons 30 denier, I had some with flowers on the side and when
I laddered them we took them to a shop where the lady sat in the window
and repaired them I think it was 6d a run!!!! now you just throw them
away, in our day they were like gold dust. ... more >>
- Re: Local General
by jean edward (Member 10247075) on 17-Mar-2011
My mum also used to buy my liberty bodices and navy-blue knickers from the In & Out shop.
Also we used to queue up, on a Saturday morning,
outside Dorothy Perkins to get nylons just after the war, only allowed
one pair each, think they were 10 shillings which was a lot of money in
those days so naturally we used to get them invisibly mended by the
little woman who sat in the dry cleaners window.
- Re: Local General
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 17-Mar-2011
there 2 lovely ladies during the
night while we sleep...ha..jean zeta newzealand australia...miracle of
computers.....william there now offering sympathy from the queen to the
disasters....dot perkins many yrs opposite huge long veg stall traffic
lights greenford..red lion pub there....bra etc ....1st bra
school...ha...wont go there.....bentalls ealing briooadway corner
aristok tights stocking my motherinlaw
had me go in get for her....photos on our photo boards.........navy
nicks but in sewing did make short pleated navy skirts to go over...in
the hall tall wood frames to climb ..horse to get over ..thank goodness
for rubber mats....netball.....later tennis..hockey sticks take home
then go other school in team...nan had bloomers from cousins store by
northcote ave....vest pants for chaps xmas presents...hot copper boil up
and mangle..blue in rinse water....persil omo tide daz fairy lever bros
seem to own it all.... ... more >>
- Re: Local General
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 17-Mar-2011
dear ladies..lyons tea houses as
ealing broadway ..west ealing..on tv today...the large marble arch ones
had 400 employed...fashion stylish nippy..ribbon
caps..slim.outfits.uniform.......nippy quick to serve...corner
houses.1925 etc..songs were sung of them..cinemas told of them...new
museum of london.modern by st pauls bulit after the war...has large
detailed exhibition on them......photos on our
boards and photos of greenford lyons factory etc ladies men 1921
onwards..1946..my aunt neighbour worked there 1970s..tea cakes ice cream
etc... ... more >>
- Re: Local General
by Zeta Stanley (Member 10256988) on 27-Mar-2011
My Dad worked at Lyons Greenford
and I can remember him bringing home large square tins of boiled sweets
this was before the war.
- Re: Local General
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Jul-2011
ours worked lyons to late 1970s.etc..bus up to there.....old photos lyons on our boards
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Local General
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by Zeta Stanley (Member 10256988) on 1-Mar-2011
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Does anyone remember a grocers shop I think it was called Williams,
Harry, Mum used to do her shop there and he did a bit of black market
stuff, I seem to recall he got caught and got jailed, does anyone
remember that
- Re: Local General
by sheila iddenden (Member 10235498) on 1-Mar-2011
I remember william brothers there
were two shops next door to each other one sold groceries the other
hard wear however much you spent you recieved the same amout in tin disc
it was like a divi or these days nectar point . my mother used to save
them towards christmas.
- Re: Local General
by sheila iddenden (Member 10235498) on 1-Mar-2011
forgot to say the shops were in
south road. not far from the cinema i used to walk pass them each day on
my way to work at Sherry s chemist. at that time the only chemist that
stay open till 9pm we always had queue in the evening waiting for
presription we were nt allowed to sell anything else only baby food or
medicine after 6pm
- Re: Local General
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Mar-2011
hello sheila....christmas club at
pub also...northcote arms..my family saved...gdad had barrel beer large
family friends kitchen table tap on..and aunt doll took savings down
broadway in the 50s..came back with all usually dates .holly
misletoe..turkey went out back porchway.no fridge those days..oranges
grapes..kids table jellies ..they all clubbed together only
xmas.....less during the yr...quiet times the 50s
- Re: Local General
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Mar-2011
we always walked all that way
round from west ave to sherry on corner chemist for nan..open
late.undertaker opposite many yrs..spicer........moss chemist...zeta new
zealand so our far friends through night and we see early morning but
they abed now.....ha.....linen cutains aunt doll used to buy on weekly
pay..greenford broadway wembly and southall she lied did
club.........and hire purchase after war dad got all his bits living room bedroom s for prefab..worked all his life engineer retired from BA airport... ... more >>
- Re: Local General
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Mar-2011
free tv channel 12
yesterday......today 3pm rations olympics 1948 wembly ..german prisoner s
war built olympic way..argentina brought corn beef holland brought
butter...boxers,,sprinters..one from jap prisoner war under 7 stone
weight.got bronze medal..but next yr empire games got 2 gold medals 10
stone recovered...cyclist ring is only place still there from
olmypics..sad jane russell passed today
89.respiratory illness california...bright red sparkle long tight
dresses of film .gentleman prefer blonds with munroe was on last weektv
good..and famous western bra she did..great lady spoke well on tv recent
yrs...gt 4 oscars kings speech..saw gt film so good..and documentary on
tv of george 6th stammer etc good... ... more >>
- Re: Local General
by sheila iddenden (Member 10235498) on 1-Mar-2011
yvonne do you remember the shop
we all called the in and out shop [cousins ] i think that was at the top
of northcote ave I used to get my girls dress from there they were
always good quality and little bit different .mum always got rugs from
there as well
- Re: Local General
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Mar-2011
yes big store we were trying to
remember if they had cahier box and overhead wires money box shot across
to cashier..pay there....nans cross over pinnies we always bought
there...living west ave by alley of northcote ave we always used that
west end of broadway....yes by there...my aunt bought all sheets linen
there 40s 50s..nan would have used it from 1928.....boil the strong
linen.lasted .bolsters
cases,,,table cloth...teatowels..towels..but rouses I used later on west
ealing material for dressmaking school.patterns...all my aunts knitted
lots scans wool from high st I had to stand hold make into
balls.........woolies for the rest of kitchen stuff...cousins is on
friends reunite..she told me they were her family......... ... more >>
- Re: Local General
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Mar-2011
sheila think I bought dress there
age 11 very pretty best dress kept..was rare dress or even rarer
coat......shoes had to get long walks school.....but...not loads money
about after war.......did they sell coats ..think got that
there...bouccle bobble material..wore that to school yrs got short...but
lucky only titch myself managed to wear it lots yrs...rugs yes we had
one at fire ..fire guard .but
catch any spurt of hot coal..lino a lot at home.......nan born 1890 my
aunt they made rugs..old cloth rags..tug through piece canvas or potatoe
sack used......tug hard burnt through fingers with gadget like large
crochet hook.....lasted yrs..several those old rugs......rolls lino etc
in woolies.. ... more >>
- Re: Local General
by sheila iddenden (Member 10235498) on 1-Mar-2011
yes yvonne that shopdid have a
cashdesk my friend pam harman was the cashier for along time i think
they sold most things . but i used to buy my clothes at elland which i
think was on the next corner. once you got in elland they would nt let
you out till you purchase something.
- Re: Local General
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 2-Mar-2011
Hi Sheila I remember the in and out store mum used to buy our clothes there
- Re: Local General
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Mar-2011
sheila yes lots say that about
ellands,...one member here knew the owners..jewish..people...I have been
in clothes and also shoe shop like that over yrs and they were both
like that....extreme....harman..could be mum or sister..you knew.....my
class 6yrs in my photos..I had val harman went to bbc tv with me when we
left 6th form.she did A level aunt she went as secretary...love to chat
to her again do you
know them..they lived southall park side houses.she came down to dormers
from there......thanks about cashier..gt piece of history cashier and
those wizz across money balls on wires.....butcher local I went in till
recent times had his old cashier wood little office section in shop to
the end when he retired..lovely butcher nice person..till recent
times...have photo of cashier shop box on our photo board.at museum
rickmansworth by middx.near canal... ... more >>
- Re: Local General
by sheila iddenden (Member 10235498) on 2-Mar-2011
yvonne pam harman lived in lady
margaret she still lives in southall and we are very good friends she
comes to see me a couple of times a year her mother namre was renee
- Re: Local General
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Mar-2011
thanks sheila if they had
daughter val harman born 1949 went to dormers school to 1966..be
grateful...gt to hear from val..thanks sheila...could be lady marg..lots
went to that primary
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Mar-2011
if they have my valerie .can give
her my photos of her at school..good photos..lots chat memories hope
she is of them..thankyou sincerely sheila..
- Re: Local General
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Mar-2011
should have said yvonne acres A
stream 6yrs ..eliz yoke her mates..did a level gce art..went to bbc tv
white city shep bush with me.she was secretary there...heres hoping..she
ginger hair abit..myself short dark hair bob dark eyes...
- Re: Local General
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 2-Mar-2011
Sheila the name Harman rings a bell where in L.M.Rd did thay live please.
- Re: Local General
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Mar-2011
LEN everybody may know southall
garage very old photo board30......old original type petrol pumps 3
racing cars out front..petrol tyres...also straight old ..also m .k.
madeira engineering sheet metal..pipes...company...photo....alsp photo
high jump park 1950s..there boys age 10 approx..200 photos there
- Re: Local General
by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 2-Mar-2011
Denis
I knew a Christine Harman that went to Dormers Wells, they lived on Lady
Margaret Rd on the left hand side as you go towards the Town Hall
corner & from memory I'd say it was about 150 metres from the Town
Hall
- Re: Local General
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 2-Mar-2011
Thanks Fred could know name
from Dormers, in that area of L.M. Rd. between Shackelton and
the Town hall lived a teacher called miss Cowgill She was a
teacher at Lady Marg. Rd School in the 1950/60.
- Re: Local General
by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 2-Mar-2011
Yes our headmaster at St. Anselms
Mr. Moore lived on the corner of Shackelton & Lady Margaret on the
left side if going down to Lady Margaret pub.
- Re: Local General
by sheila iddenden (Member 10235498) on 2-Mar-2011
denis pam lived 36 lady margaret
she had a brother peter and a sister sue all i believe went to north
road pam went to dormers but i think the other two went to the grammer
when i speak to pam i ll ask if your name rings any bells
- Re: Local General
by Zeta Stanley (Member 10256988) on 3-Mar-2011
Sheila I remember that chemist you used to put the prescription in the door and collect later.
- Re: Local General
by Phyl Hutnell (Member 10234816) on 3-Mar-2011
Hi Sheila and all. I remember
Cousins, the in and out shop - probably called that because you could
walk in one side, go around the whole shop and walk out the other side.
You could ask them to "put something by" and then pay them so much a
week until paid up before collecting. I bought a stiff frilly petticoat
like that from them in the '50's. I remember Williams too with the tin
discs. I used to count them up for my Mum. ... more >>
- Re: Local General
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 3-Mar-2011
Thank you Sheila what years would tha be
- Re: Local General
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Mar-2011
oh yes phyl the frill net stiff
petticoats.for full skirts then,,,,my aunts always had slips 40s
etc....things changed so girls vests etc...no central heating then no
warm car.....today 3pm 10am..last of series tv channel 12 free...rations
and 40s...xmas..such good fun..interesting..xmas in 40s.....thanks
shiela..could be peters daughter val born 1949 thick long ginger
hair..she is not on reunite..but got the others who are on there,,,,,, ... more >>
- Re: Local General
by sheila iddenden (Member 10235498) on 3-Mar-2011
denis pam live there all the war
years in fact her father still had the house until the very late 90s
when it was sold and i believe it is now flats
- Re: Local General
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 3-Mar-2011
Phyl-I remember Williams Bros
and their discs for "Divi"-the manager was a Mr Hopkins. Nest door was
Williams Harware shop.(mum bought our first bottle of Detol there-this
was pre-war.
- Re: Local General
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 3-Mar-2011
Thanks Sheila it could be the 1950s.
- Re: Local General
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 3-Mar-2011
Yes Sheila, I also remember
Cousins which was at the top of Northcote Avenue to the left. The only
thing I ever remember buying in there when I was 15 was a short sleeved
dress, black with a big panel of crimson red all down the front. I felt
the bees-knees in that dress until I washed it. It was a type of crepe
material, and I'm afraid it shrunk rather badly. It probably should have
been dry-cleaned, but we didn't get anything dry-cleaned in those days. ... more >>
- Re: Local General
by josie (Member 10235627) on 3-Mar-2011
Does anyone remember Miss Anthony
Headmistress of North rd School 1950's..she also lived L.LM.Rd near to
DR Ginsberg Surgery on opposite side of road..regards Josie.
- Re: Local General
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 3-Mar-2011
Now deos anyone remember
Miss Edwards head misstres of L. Marg. Rd school 40/50s, also
Mr May head of juniors 50s
- Re: Local General
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 3-Mar-2011
Miss Edwards allways wore amber bracelets was head of infants.
- Re: Local General
by John W (Member 10082501) on 3-Mar-2011
Has anyone yet mentioned Flexmans
coaches just off the Kings St in Western Rd. My parents used to take us
on day trips to the coast, we rarely had regular holidays away in those
days.
You could also buy theatre tickets there, when I was married we would
get our show tickets there. I went a few times to the Derby in Flexmans
coaches.
- Re: Local General
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 4-Mar-2011
John-I remember Flaxmans. Each
year our Sunday School had a seaside trip to Bognor-transported by
Flaxmans. We had a good day by the sea,Before coming home, we were given
qa splendid tea ib the grounds of Bognor parish church. Onthe waty back
we stopped at a pub-Smiths Crisps and lemonade for us kids
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by Zeta Stanley (Member 10256988) on 1-Mar-2011
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There was a bicycle shop on the righthand side going into Southall I
think it was called Evans, I got my first bike there a Carlton racing
bike it cost 16pounds, and I paid it off at 10shillings a week, I was
earning 2 pounds a week then and was 16 years old.
- Re: local general
by Vince Jackson (Member 10004627) on 1-Mar-2011
I remember Evans the bike shop
very well, bought my first bike from there in 1972 when I left school at
5s a week and cycled every day to Acton and back. It was on the right
just before you got to Saxon road and just across the road was Evans
toyshop which also sold prams etc next to Parkers the bakers
- Re: local general
by thompson (Member 10241148) on 1-Mar-2011
Evans Bike Shop, are yes; Stan Evans and family were active members of the Southall Swimming Club.
As well as Bikes, they also sold prams, pushchairs and other baby goods
in the 1960's. When my two eldest children were born Stan had plates
painted with their birth weight, date and time of birth inscribed on
them.
The other Bike shop nearly oppersite was Taylors, who also sold TVs and radios.
They were the people who delivered the accumilators {batteries)to the
house in Greenford Ave and the surrounding streets for the radios,
because the properties only had Gas supplied. Some of us had radio relay
(cable) as our listening opption. ... more >>
- Re: local general
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 1-Mar-2011
There was another cycle shop
in Lady Marg. Rd Vic Huphrey sold raceing bikes, was big in
bike raceing, was nr L.M. pub then moved to other end of
L.M Rd i bought a new Viking raceing bile of him in 1958
think he died early 1970.
- Re: local general
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 1-Mar-2011
Bike not bile
- Re: local general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Mar-2011
your talk of fishing
shop..victorian reel brass 1890 just sold £60 /80.....my cousin in york
took us to his fishing shop he was proud of 2nd hand reel he had..huge
fishing shop harefield all yrs middx at 3 rivers colne fast flow..weir
rapids etc..fish terns swoop catch fish and canal also.....uncle fred
and charlie bridges prefabs went fishing runnymead etc etc
- Re: local general
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 1-Mar-2011
Yes, I, like many others, bought
my first bike at Evans when I was 17. A red Raleigh, much more up market
than my old Daisy-Bell. Can't remember how much it was or how much I
paid a week. All I remember is that I had a little book which was
crossed off every week, and when I had finally paid for it, I felt so
proud. Can still remember that feeling all those years ago.
- Re: local general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Mar-2011
DYLIS...today lincs aviation
heritage centre..you went .lancs.avro sound merlin engine....today 2pm
on channel 12...photos on our site of bbc tv antique roadshow
there....55000 died......showed film getting pilot out if managed get
back to airbase...all hangers...
- Re: local general
by John W (Member 10082501) on 3-Mar-2011
Not my first bike, but I bought a Dayton Roadmaster bike from Evans, or rather my Dad bought it for me.
He won £100 on Littlewoods Pools, Eight draws but only paid out £100, which was quite a lot in 1952.
In those days you never needed to lock up your bike. I never did own a bike lock.
There was a pram shop across the street from Evans, where we bought a Silver Cross Pram for our daughter.
This year 2011 will be our 50th wedding anniversary. We will be making a
trip back to the UK. Unfortunately I no longer have any family in the
London area, but my wife has family in Yorkshire. ... more >>
- Re: local general
by dennis legge (Member 10258800) on 5-Mar-2011
Evan Bike Shop was next Door to Evans Butchers, they where Brothers, my Brother Married Les Evans Sister in Law
- Re: local general
by LEN GODDARD (Member 10247752) on 7-Mar-2011
Dennis Evans shop was on the corner of Oswald Rd. Parkers the bakers was next door.
- Re: local general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Mar-2011
very best wishes to you
LEN....lovely hear you...so many our prams from evans I think......take
care,....good wishes to you and yours always.
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Feb-2011
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dee tomlin..are you old face southall.....ivy vera tomlin married into
my family had 4 children 1940s springwell rd cranford lane...monday
channel free tv 12 28th..3pm 9pm ration london and olymoics
1948..pauline bankside photo board21..percy bradbury lived..mum and
ken..lee..saw him in the parlour went to war young unmarried..died
changi prison war camp dysentry .japs..buried there..1943..suffolk
regiement..bradbury on are you old face southall also....southall lad
age 21 died home guard up north working of 11 townsfield rd southall..on
google civilian casualty of southall lad ... more >>
- Re: general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Feb-2011
southall civilian died on google
archive..cpl john charles gurdler..21 yrs old unmarried son of charles
linda 11 townsend rd southall..31 may 1943 working home guard job at
maryport far west side cumbria..google says find my past site has roll
honour war..deaths...and also civilian war deaths...they must have payed
for kew archive collection town hall arp records...and indexed..put on
line for comuter
users.....imperial war museum lambeth 10 mins from westminster
bridge...have forgotten voices..photo on our board......collection
people talking of war experiences and accounts...on their sites google
interesting...and visited often as you walk in huge V2 v1..in
entrance...amazing to see..interesting everthing there...many retired
navy guides there.very welcoming...and pride in their mansion building
..it always gleams polished..clean..shines..everywhere..amazing to have
such huge collection..greatly used by schools and historians and
reminise visitors.....football local photos and southall old trains etc
on our photos etc etc ... more >>
- Re: general
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 28-Feb-2011
What makes the I.W.M more intersting is that it was originlly Bedlam mental institution
- Re: general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Feb-2011
yes have often read that...fine
size building..huge navy gun out front...yes have their large
booklet.guide brochure.last time went..and yes they took over that
building..did st bernards te other day...there were so many
asylums..london greater london let alone rest of country...bad victorian
poverty.contributed...and middle upper classes..they put the wives
in...easy to have wife put away..or single
girl if pregnant or anything at all...like crimes slightest thing and
harst consequences..shipped off to australia .starving kid stole bit
bread or... ... more >>
- Re: general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Mar-2011
pauline..just had break through
school friends,,,but australia..ha....and vancouver...so many moved
far..ha......by us 71 west ave,,used spikes pk...coxen family but 1953
after prefab golflinks estate.......went tudor rd and dormers...all
memories grubhams...and so much more.....northcote pub her mum worked
in.....told her our photo on our boards...77 west ave now hotel double
house....was day centre
old peoples before.........she went in grubhams 2000 with her mum..visit
from australia..owners invited them for lunch but she declined..she
said northcote pub in terrible state..and zeta from newzealand.. photo
tudor rd school 1994.....so special southall was that from other side
world they all come take photos of memories..that is lovely thing....40s
50s memories... ... more >>
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 1-Mar-2011
How lovely for you Yvonne. As you
say it's the photos that bring back the memories of Southall so much.
Having said that, as I've already mentioned on this site, my brother
David (who has since died) took me back to Southall in 2000. He asked me
what I wanted for my birthday, and I said I wanted to go back to see
Southall and all our old haunts. I do wish we had taken photos, but the
memories of that day
will remain with me for ever. We did see the front of Tudor road school,
but the back entrance was the best for me. The playgrounds looked
exactly the same -even the same windows. The only difference was that
all the benches and the shelters overhead had gone where we all sat when
it was raining in the morning break! We saw Grubhams, under new
management, but the little steps were still there. The poor old
Northcote looked very dilapidated, so unlike how it was in its heyday.
I was so pleased to see that all the trees in Northcote Avenue were
still there. We also saw Heston Church where we were married, and Dr
Ginsberg's surgery, and our beloved Municipal Sports Ground where we
spent most of our childhood, not forgetting Spikes Bridge, where the
wooden planks used to move when you walked on them, and the canal (now
minus the reeds and the bullrushes that I remember). Fortunately, you
have provided us with some wonderful photos of the Southall we
remembered. Thank you. ... more >>
- Re: general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Mar-2011
so thrilled that david you went
back together before he passed,,photos would have been gt but more
important you were together...use our photos and make some sketches
instead....yes we had benches and bike shed..old airraid shelter
cobwebs,,,,took dozen photos of girls and huts field and hall..but I
could make sketches of the rest......especially with support of friends
reunite schools dormers tudor
north rd are amazing there..such pity no responses few members on st
anselm site..but here we give links for them as well..and chance of
general southall to make new friends of the times....wish could wave
magic wand to put photos on memory of everybodies computer...lots
outside people use photos but our friends here wish could get them into
your computers..guaranteed enjoy..easy really once used to it...fast
easy just glance at each board quick when used to it..what shame never
to see..1930s to 60s photos local............steps yes grubhams because
unusual door slant corner open door and yes thanks for your memory
steps..little chair he had for lady at counter..his father before
him..good man all those decades and war...wish we could chat and talk to
people today.and thank them..........glad you enjoy the 29 boards ..30
later today ... more >>
- Re: general
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 11-Mar-2011
Have been reading some more from
my brother David's autobiograohy when he worked part time for Grubhams
for five years. He used to ride a delivery bike, the same as the one
used by Granville in "Open all hours". Grubhams sold lots of small
hardware items like pots and pans, brushes, pegs, and most annoying of
all paraffin. People used to leave their cans to be filled and they
leaked, and he had to
wash the whole shop out because of the smell. David said they were a
lovely little family, Dennis, Cecilia and George, and they treated him
like a son. Dennis and Cecilia were both in their eighties, and the shop
had been established by them at the turn of the century. Mrs Grubham
was a typically independent Victorian old lady who loved to chat about
politics and the state of the world to him. David said he particularly
remembered her at Christmas when she used to get him on his own and
press a £1 note into it, saying "Don't tell George". He said the lovely
little shop wouldn't exist today with the rules and regulations, as
Paraffin would be out for a start, and "Fluff" the cat would have also
got the boot as she used to wander across and sleep on the counters.
Lovely memories! ... more >>
- Re: general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Mar-2011
yes the records have father there
dennis 1914 and 1911 records......did our mr drubhams the son have
family..wife children their names at all.....so thats 40 s 50s we all
knew them....nan 1928 would have dealt with parents no wonder she knew
them so well.....go on errand through alley off she sent us
kids......meant rons mum edith they moved in with 1953 carole born
1955....dot parents must have lived
way to hambrough as reception was there..the harrisons.had younger
daughter...durham accents....only know of 2 cinemas ealing broadway..and
hippodrome palladium theatre had north star pub opposite.........the
old one as you keep popping in had elaborate royal blue tiles front
facade...they have it kept displayed around the corner swirls and
elabourate design whole front ..plaster and tiles.from 1912 ish...1920s ... more >>
- Re: general
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 11-Mar-2011
George Grubham wasn't married or
had children. He was in his fifties when David was working for them. We
used Grubhams in the late 30's, and he was a godsend to my mother as he
would tot up some of the goods she had at the end of the week.
In those days it was "on tick". It's credit cards today!!
- Re: general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Mar-2011
oh shame he was on his own...did
not ever hear of family...pkt lentils pearl barley think I went for
..nan to use stew.....1928 she would have used them expect on tick as
well...pre 1928 she would have used corner grocer at oak pub common
northhyde expect tick as well..she had 6 little ones.....he had meat but
difficult for kids and as always she left herself to what else...she
would put herself last
.. low wage those days but he worked all his life.long hrs..she missed
every hair on his head when he died age 58....although victorian builder
mouthy heavy handed.very tough strict.to kids and wife..as most
were.....she would not have ever said married 1911.. ... more >>
- Re: general
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 11-Mar-2011
You're right Yvonne - it must
have been the cinema in Bond Street as the royal blue tiles certainly
ring a bell. I knew the cinema further up on the either side opposite
the Town Hall,and it wasn't that one. Thanks for that.
- Re: general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Mar-2011
unless on photos 29......it is
palladium theatre 1930s became cinema to demolish 1957...became
shops..opposite bank and old north star pub at traffic lights..around
bend to left north abc cafe....best wishes....the walpole cinema facade
was on our photos royal blue tiles high ornate swirls..went to ealing
took a photo of it and parts of ealing 2010...
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by roycouch (Member 10232168) on 24-Feb-2011
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I can remember the bomb that dropped on the houses in Lady Margaret
Road close to where the traffic lights are. It killed a well-known local
all-in wrestler. The new houses now stand back from the existing
terrace.
- Re: southall bombs
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 24-Feb-2011
Thats right Roy across Holy Trinity hall as was where i whent to the cub/scouts tues. nights.
- Re: southall bombs
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Feb-2011
todays gazette.....council
allowed street party.....clarence st ...royal wedding because kates
family from there.......was dudley rd also................and kingbridge
rd norwood green 25yrs from 1966 there..............140 residents
informed by letter.....packs can go to anybody have party usually health
safety etc.........today gt sun angelsey coast new lifeboat wills
speech grand and kate crack
bottle champayne over......lots chat from both of them to crowd loads
people.....ration war etc tonight digitaltv9pm 12yesterday
channel......2yrs to live angelsey farmhse by base...thanking locals for
their privacy and happy time they have there,,,she will be princess
wales at death of queen........100 yrs old in may aunt alice lives
uxbridge and joyce and ann....kates family if contacted of wedding. ... more >>
- Re: southall bombs
by John W (Member 10082501) on 24-Feb-2011
During the war I was going to
school at Featherstone Rd juniors. The only memory I have of the bombing
in Southall was when we were hurried off to the shelter, which was an
above ground strengthened large room sandbagged on the outside. As I was
probably about six or seven at the time, I only have a vague memory of
it. What has stayed with me is not only the loud explosion but the shock
felt throughout the
body. I don't know where the bomb fell, I suspect it was the one in
Regina Rd, I'm not aware of ant other bombs falling close to
Featherstone Rd., school.
I remember the air raid shelter built in the street, we had one in front
of our house in Queens Rd. I don't think anyone ever used them though
as the were cold damp and smelly.
We had a mattress under the dinning table when there was a raid on. I still recall the boom boom of the ack ack guns.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-3IF4eO8v8 ... more >>
- Re: southall bombs
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Feb-2011
have tried couple times cant get
your numbers here youtube...but in google...type youtube boming 2nd war
or such like and videos there......ca you give us the title of your you
tube easier just to put that in google.........mr heydon on bbc memories
in google..remembers he was at tudor rd juniors and bluster bomb
there...his mum worked night work aec armoured vehicles....he remembers
buzz bomb souhall pk his
6 friends named.. carried off the tail fin...entertainment digital tv
tonight was good..ang from eastenders her parents danced the war
away.anita dobson married to queen brian may of feltham.channel 12
showed wireless at war newsreel cinema..theatres..dances etc.british
servicemen boots heavy damaged dance floor american issued shoes did
not..vera lynn sheltered at insidewall of theatre with staff .lived
barking east london too dangerous to drive home in her little car
airraid nights...comedians said you can leave theatre at raid but no
they sat continue entertainnment.... ... more >>
- Re: southall bombs
by Janice Johnson (Member 10240407) on 25-Feb-2011
I have snapshots of memories from
WW2 when my family were living in Palgrave Avenue. The 'doodlebugs'
droning sound, then silence when everyone held their breath until the
explosion, then everyone breathed again and put the kettle on. Sleeping
on a makeshift bed in the indoor shelter which took up most of the space
of our front room along with the piano and treadle sewing machine
during raids. Searchlights
and barrage balloons and watching London burning from our backdoor
after a raid. My father, a postman, coming home with news of
Firestone's factory receiving a direct hit and blood running in the
gutters, he was white with shock. The bomb that fell in the playground
of Southall Park, thankfully during the night so no children around. It
was some while before we could open doors due to the back draught. Two
brick shelters in the roadway full of bunk beds but nobody ever used
them as far as I know and they weren't as strong as the houses anyway.
The butcher's window empty but he always had a tin of corned beef or
some sausages in the cold store. My mother walking over to King Street
to collect a 'layette' for my brother given out free to new mothers. A
lad I knew whose father had come through the war being killed on his way
home when the lorry he was in got blown up. The girl across the road
'going off with a Yank' who'd been divorced - shocking in those days.
Our back garden with rabbit hutches all down one side and my mother used
to breed them, kill, skin and gut them, selling the small one for
10s.0d and the larger ones for £1 until my father came back from the
Army and the flower beds were restored. Street party to celebrate after
the war ended. Fancy dress and my mother sent me as "Peace" joking that
it was the nearest to peace she'd ever get from me - I think she was
joking! One girl was sent as the New Year 1947 - should have been 1946.
Our piano being pushed out into the street and someone sat playing while
the grown-ups danced and the bonfire gradually died because there
wasn't anything left to put on it and always the searchlights in the
sky. Not many memories as I was only six years old when the war ended
but those that I have are firmly in my mind. ... more >>
- Re: southall bombs
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Feb-2011
what a good account janice
thankyou..peace you were dressed ..3 photos our board waste ground lady
marg rd fancy dress coronation many kids......firestone my cousin.worked
she went oz 1957.....FRED......doris sherwood anderson lived opposite
hse bombed .. she was little her mum them bombed out rebuilt moved back
nov 1946 regina....her mum yrs of operations after her damaged body £150
from mayordistress
fund. american place got kitchen stuff linen...and they bought furniture
etc £25.on bbc war memories type her name as well in google....she said
they were going for heston airport all the time...smiths crisp factory
osterly bombed killed hundreds.. ... more >>
- Re: southall bombs
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 25-Feb-2011
Hi Janice i think a bomb
also penetrated Southall gasometer i read the bomb disposal
team had a very bad time removeing it
- Re: southall bombs
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Feb-2011
doris anderson on google of
regina rd...said they had to assemble mission hall opposite laundry
where she worked..queue people in night clothes going along street
evacuated..look out post on top of laundry..airraid siren at heston
airport house opposite largebomb came down on house opposite not
exploded but killed old man living alone..10 am today free channel 12
tv..hour bombs wireless entertainment
cinema.dances..war etc etc..today...where did you read gasholder
denis...is there google place...several speech of gas works
incidents....can see all those areas from air even at night..to
target...inceduary bombs they tried put out roof burn fire of
incenduaries ... more >>
- Re: southall bombs
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 25-Feb-2011
Not to sure but it could be
in a book the ( blitz then and now ) published by (after the
battle) a trilogy of books a real mine of imformation run
from 1939 to 1944 the V1 & V2 known as the second Battle
of Britian. Not sure on Google
- Re: southall bombs
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Feb-2011
thanks dennis will try see what
can find..just put more photos on board26 to 29.....west ealing williams
rd june 1907 ruins fire houses there..photo....typhoon raf fly past
fife st andrews 11.55....on freeview 82 sky news tv...good speech of
wills..kate red suit as red gowns of uni choir..museum looks
interesting..gt fascinator hair slide yesterday with welsh regiment
cameo in it...gd speech wills.champagne
kate over bow of new lifeboat angelsy..2 more yrs cottage there raf air
rescue...cream coat brown trim suede boot,,,gt smiles loads
chat...little girl said she wanted to be their bridesmaid...tea and
welsh cakes refreshments...landlord pub middleton berks village here
wills kate had meals.. invited to abbey wedding ... more >>
- Re: southall bombs
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 25-Feb-2011
Just been on Wikip. go to Southall gas works A design statment good history but little on WW2
- Re: southall bombs
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Feb-2011
yes have seen wiki southall..yes 3
volumes blitz..amazon..£113.85 ..or £42.70 each..cities bomb accounts
for historians..edited by winston g ramsey..hdbs..1500pges...all yrs
war....thanks barry raymond has some hayes town hall..sheets accounts
wardens records bombs details hayes...from town hall held the
records....
- Re: southall bombs
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 25-Feb-2011
Your mention of air-raid shelters
in the street John W. sparked off a memory for me, never to be
forgotten. I was in bed, and it was dark when I hear a commotion outside
in the road. I got out of bed and opened the window and someone was
shouting at the top of their voice "The war's over". In an instance, we
were all out in the street - my dad was at work - and everybody was
going mad with joy. Before
long a huge fire was built in the middle of the road where Northcote
Avenue joined Norman Avenue, and everything was thrown on that fire. All
the boys got the wooden bunks out of the air-raid shelter in Norman
Avenue close by, and on they went as did, I'm afraid, several people's
trellis! I know we kept an eye on our wooden gate in the front garden.
There were kids everywhere. What a wonderful night to remember! I also
well remember the
ack-ack guns during the war as I was quite frightened of them, as it
almost seemed as if they were outside out house. I don't know where they
were, but they were very noisy and never ending. ... more >>
- Re: southall bombs
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 25-Feb-2011
Pauline i can remember the
air raid shelters in Lady Margaret road when pulled down
bases uesd for flower beds i think 1 still still there,
remember dad telling my mum got legless on gin and had to
be put to bed
- Re: southall bombs
by josie (Member 10235627) on 25-Feb-2011
Hello Denis...there are two
flower beds still there both very near to THe Lady Margaret Pub (now A
Medical Centre)...both on opposite side of the road,always kept very
nice by the Council.Regards Josie.
- Re: southall bombs
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 25-Feb-2011
Good for your Mum Denis. I was
only coming up to fourteen then, and a few weeks later I was out in the
big world earning a living. Funnily enough, in those days we thought we
were so grown up at that age, when in reality we were still children.
- Re: southall bombs
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 26-Feb-2011
Another bomb in Southall comes
to mind. This was a very large bomb for that stage of war. It fell in
the Argyle Road area, in the gardens of the houses, leaving a massive
crater, but mercifully no fatalaties. My parents had friends there, the
Glyns.
- Re: southall bombs
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Feb-2011
yes good no deaths..seems google
and published only tell of regina rd because deaths so bad,,,their
gardens .just off park ave...to east of southall park..may be couple
dropped that night the park and argyll ave...of park ave.knowsley
also...my friend lived there HARMAN family if known mike....aec photo of
nazi rece aerial map of aec large area on our boards..shows pilot knew
that armoured vehicles
being built 24 hrs day night work...hanwell asylum 3 bombs..so they
wanted aec..in middle..photo argyl on boards and kates 3 duties
photos.recently..and raf kept historic buildings photo there...and
photos on our boards 3 vols of denis ref book.historians ref volumes
cities war bomb accounts..21 to 29..phoos.£275000 4 bed hse argyll old
now looks tatty photo there.anitique roadshow dunkirk prisoner war made
radio hid in water bttle..did the bad match to poland where many died
long trek..£200 value..and several museum pieces there..people have such
special things.collection of paper .diary kept many yrs war also.with
drawings .jokes..value to museum..and man had his relative found on
captured uboat their enigma to break the german code turn the war save
loads lives..he had the harrison type of chronometer,from the nazi
sub... ... more >>
- Re: southall bombs
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 26-Feb-2011
Although not a large bomb, a
cluster of bombs severely damaged several houses at the far end of
Lancaster road, Southall. After a raid the previous night, we all walked
past the bomb damaged houses on our way to the back entrance of Tudor
road school. George Wimpeys was a few yards away, fortunately undamaged.
- Re: southall bombs
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Feb-2011
that is such interesting account
thanks pauline...MIKE ......sept 2010 on short page board here
....glyn......says was 19 in 1950..went to america as war bride..lived
argyl ave by southall pk..kathleen franck campbell.a cousin there
- Re: southall bombs
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 26-Feb-2011
Lancaster Rd was a stick of bombs this day the wood yard at Hayes bridge was hit and set on fire.
- Re: southall bombs
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Feb-2011
thanks did see names owners those
sawmills wood piles over the yrs but forget at moment...as kid always
saw.down along by spikes..piles planks canal side yards.fresh clean wood
..and barges....just saw kew archive owners farms...hayes bridge farm
....have seen hayes gate farm..which is along by bridge...coldharbour
farm..and corner brstal there farm....hayes court farm....fires ..saw
remains clearance the
other week controlled burning gets rid pests clean land for new crop..or
over by herts good job done 3 rivers,,huge lakes can see all over now
..boating fisheries etc..herons...canal...all growth burnt down
..wonderful views now.....chilterns edge....so much hear of nazis going
for wimpey rubber works and saw mills aec ..factories etc...today the
computer accuracy bombs..oh dear..chance take with bombs dropped night
blackout southall hayes......iron bridge southall station do not hear
of...if invade want use of whatever.........yeading ammo.....kids at
greenford grammar put out bombs playground fire .. ... more >>
- Re: southall bombs
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 26-Feb-2011
Just for information the 3 ref. books i mentiond can be borrowd from your local library.
- Re: southall bombs
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 26-Feb-2011
Was the timber yard called Horsleys.
- Re: southall bombs
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 26-Feb-2011
George Wimpeys wasn't a Rubber
works. I think Denis will know as one of his relatives worked there. If
not, I can find out from my relatives what they made.
- Re: southall bombs
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 26-Feb-2011
The only rubber works that comes
to my mind, is the Wolfe Rubber company, which was on the left of the
Uxbridge Road in the Hayes dirction after passing over the canal
bridge-and therin lies a tale!
- Re: southall bombs
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 26-Feb-2011
Yvonne-the Glyn girl was, I think Moira-the age is certainly about right
- Re: southall bombs
by Phyl Hutnell (Member 10234816) on 26-Feb-2011
George Wimpey were builders. I
seems to recall Wimpey Homes too. I believe the Wolfe rubber works was
one of the first to bring people over from the Carribean to work there.
- Re: southall bombs
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Feb-2011
yes wolf rubber..50s they
increased..and I ran over spikes bridge could not stand the noxious
fumes,..like gas..massive amount work wolf.they had after war 50s
increased caribbean yes...wimpey homes at ideal home go in around hse
good fun...uncle george worked wimpey they built behind stanhope
school.mansell rd behind shops..he built that area up...we lived in a
wimpey 14 yrs/////MIKE...maureen glyne.....click
southall at top this page and it gives you short page see her name
there click..and towards bottom of page also..refers to them cousin is
there...got gazette kate on front page sign post long row hses clarence
st.council pay for special st party friday.sponsors pay food drink
festivities bound to be on tv .computer and the media.photos...our
photos board26..latest 3 times of kate..they do not say realise but next
rd dudley flat was where gran and carole were to 1966 then 25 more yrs
kingsbridge rd back wolf by canal norwood green ... more >>
- Re: southall bombs
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Feb-2011
kew archive of borough hillingdon
local history..on google,,,,,has victoria sawmills.....east side
hayes..by canal hayes bridge...woolf rubber.chibnall s bakery..guys
calculator machines...all part huge minet estate.3 farms hayes bridge
farm at hayes gate,,uxbridge rd..coldharbour farm hayes ct
farm.......will minet to 1933 sue to 1976 peter to 1992 now minet trust
the land ownership....yes will look
library 3 vols bombs denis......wonder how many will close next yrs as
cuts.......fields local to southall still have horses...and couple less
now but few have fresian b/w cows...still a little dairy milk....but
brookside canal..farm 6am milking closed hses now.....priors farm 100s
yrs down etc..near western ave cows...only one left there
now.......french milk lorries come along asking the way....supermarkets
have the large plastic long life tends to be week in fridge says its
french....MIKE kath kitty franck,cousin email there
glyn.relative..sergeant james keady.peter raymond.peggy theras.kath
campbell.group there on our short version page here ... more >>
- Re: southall bombs
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 26-Feb-2011
I well remember when the first
arrival of Indian workers came to Woolfe's Rubber Works. They were
mainly from the Punjab in India, and I used to see them sitting on the
grass verges by the Rubber works when I was cycling to the EMI in Hayes
on my bicycle just before 1950. They eventually arrived in their
thousands.
- Re: southall bombs
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Feb-2011
yes..and all patrs world borough
ealing decades.have especially with others..decided..asylum
seakers,,illeg etc..etc all sorts from everywhere....relatives follow
etc...loads lodging places southall etc.TB we wiped out badly on
increase again.....many many many thousands..see that victoria sawmills
south side hayes bridge 50s..north side uxbridge rd by ta centre james
davis timberyard 50s....fire wood whole site burnt down 5 fire crews.... ... more >>
- Re: southall bombs
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 26-Feb-2011
Yes, that's it Yvonne - James
Davies - Timber Merchants in the 50's by the side of the Drill Hall.
I've been wracking my brains trying to think of it. I've still got the
picture in my mind. Brings to mind as well "The last waltz" at the Drill
Hall dances. Oh well - memories!
- Re: southall bombs
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Feb-2011
good thanks pauline..we had photo
ta centre on board,,cost millions..architecture grand ..but pulled down
now...what waste money.....those 2 lady our members at berwick
remembered sawmills woodyards...still narrowboats uxb denham chorleywwod
but leisure and some pay pleasure trips..nice museum teashop at
rickansworth..canoe rapids club canal harefield..but now cormerants
herons swans ducks have it
all to themselves..very pretty though plants hedges butterfies dragon
flies..birds ,,terns across swoop for fish....wont be that long gas
holder comes down and new build and canal..nature reserve landscaped.but
few yrs wait expect...minet gardens is over hayes side off
beaconsfield...few yrs now new,,,hills...water etc..minet named after
this wealthy family landowners had farms and brickfields..... ... more >>
- Re: southall bombs
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 26-Feb-2011
Thank you Pauline James Devies
timber your right, George Wimpey civil enginners Lancaster Rd.
plant repair i know becuse my dad worked there. Wolf
rubber other side of Hayes bridge, Wasnt the Rd opp. where
Chiristen Keller came from.
- Re: southall bombs
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Feb-2011
says she born uxbridge 1942 22
feb.father army..but went off..mum went with bloke..they moved wraysbury
.she scared stepfather.bad experience.at.couple babysitting at age
12.left sch 16 hated office job..17 left home had baby boy tried to
terminate preg..premature bab boy born died 6days in hosp.went work
model soho.rest history..lives stanmore now..dont know if went sch
primary uxb.prob not moved
not long after birth..my cousin born 1914 nov in uxbridge went to frays
nursery because mum worked .dad france war 4 yrs killed..she moved back
to family northyde went western rd sch,lived allendale.married 1936 st
johns..several of ours links to uxbridge..so changed now modern
pedestrian precinct..shop malls...bypass rd all around...think read swan
btle pub canal just closed ... more >>
- Re: southall bombs
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 26-Feb-2011
Yvonne old Swan and bottle long gone.
- Re: southall bombs
by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 27-Feb-2011
I have read here & on the
Charlesworth 'subject' in this forum of 'the deaths' from the Regina Rd
bombing well my Mum & Dad confirm that although houses on either
side of ours were damaged it was only ours that was completely destroyed
& only my Grandmother that was killed.
- Re: southall bombs
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Feb-2011
thankyou fred.yes the southall
main history always just says of regina..so bad .several
casualties......the 2 ladies killed shoeshop by palace cinema not
there..but our site here so special people who had to listen to the
terrible ake and bombs can tell us today of it all....aberthenies school
uniform store west ealing deaths....and hayes had it so very bad...emi
special stone on our photo boards..list
names killed at local cemetery...thanks denis swan bttle...my cousin of
uxbridge 97 canada now..so pleased to hear 100 telegram queen..she
deserves it..observer war her cousin in field binoculars telephoned
her.watford......she phoned uxbridge.HQ ops for them to send off the
squadrons ..plotting table...3 typhoons fly past for wills kate st
andrews.600yrs one of 3 oldest speaking unis in world..photos our
boards...thankyou freds mum dad..bbc on google war memories..3 accounts
of regina from older people now who lived of there..and francis frith
southall memories people there also who lived of regina..free site on
google...my family born went school down there worked..1850s to
1928..george akers stayed there to 1960..my photo on our boards
charabanc old oak pub trip southend easter 1926 over 30 regulars men jo
dines landlord..many regina rd men on photo..family worked the tube..and
family members gordon rd etherington 1900 to 1980s there ... more >>
- Re: southall bombs
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Feb-2011
fred one of bbc war peoples
memories on google local man your parents may know some of these peoples
names..who talk of regina...ernest stonestreet..born 1926..spoke of
several deaths regina but just how people heard of the regina fly bomb
V1 disaster..he talks of st bernards aec as well..etc..6names of people
on other sites give accounts of southall,,,and denis has the reference
book in libraries by
editor ramsey cities records V1 V2 etc casualties etc..tube factory near
you dads brother age 19.worked toxic fumes bad factory many
yrs..hillingdon hospital toxic lungs pneumonia died.tube payed
compensation.which payed for fine stone and poetry of verse.his mum dad
buried later with him...nan and his sister kept his photo payed for with
his 1st wage pkt.they kept it in chrome frame on sideboard all
lives..we have it now.. ... more >>
- Re: southall bombs
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Feb-2011
meant to say he died 1936 so one
less to send off to war..2 brothers went nafrica italy wounded but got
back to west ave ok.in at nans front door..end war..pages back here
often regina bomb spoken of...index ..type in regina in google....up
comes may 2010 pagesouthallknowhere....tracy parker asks any info regina
bomb her gt aunt lived there...hers went to swindon as mine did..1950s
job house......hers local dilloways swindon went 1970 ... more >>
- Re: southall bombs
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 27-Feb-2011
Re Dilloways appox 1979/80 i
was going from Wrexham to Nottingham on A52 a truck in front
turned off read on the Door P.W.Dilloways Derby loaded with
contractors plant parts tried trace in Derby no joy.
- Re: southall bombs
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 27-Feb-2011
Actually, the bomb that dropped
in South road on Barratts shoe shop in 1940 killed two young Purcell
sisters. They had been to the Palace cinema (next door to Barratts shoe
shop) and were probably sheltering from the rain. Michael Braden
mentioned on this site that Dolly had been in his class at North road
school, and later went on to Dormers Wells school, as he did.
- Re: southall bombs
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Feb-2011
yes pauline..my aunt doll
teenager had been palace as they all did often..50s spoke of her lucky
escape.the family were worried at home...would have shot off home down
across broadway down grenford ave or alexandra rd to west ave
home..newzealand zeta new has loads meories southall..but she has nicely
put them on end comments several pages back....little time most to try
read back pages..red only one day...
- Re: southall bombs
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Feb-2011
would be good to have time..but
time difficult...on google family history sources..local hist dept
southall at ealing library...lists all they have ...includes..civilian
war deaths southall 1939 to 45......gazette yrs..that would be
interesting read....school records staff pupils log bks etc.....when
money staff time expect all on google computer...but what 20/50 yrs
perhaps.......kew archive and greater
london southall at lma..has put info on google ancestry put lots...many
suffered so.west ave not as others suffered,,but 1936 19 yr old
died..his father age 58 1948 died in hse west ave,,and uncles brother
came home from war .back to work killed buffers train job southall
station.......but many 1000s died jobs rail over many decades
dangerous..photos old frieght trains etc suthall on our board...google
photo recently castlebar green west ealing..fell off ladder air
ambulance landed taken to st marys padd...my nans dad fell off ladder
work.1908 west mid hosp.died.age 34....health safety try lot better
today.... ... more >>
- Re: southall bombs
by Bob Burnard (Member 10252769) on 28-Feb-2011
Dont know how many people were
killed in Regina rd bombings. But remember playing on two bomb sites
both sides of road, middle of top half Regina rd. which were completly
flattend.approx 50 yds a side, all houses inc my own severly damaged.
(on my first day at St Anselms school) I lived last but one house near
Old Oak bridge. My next day at school was in Chippenham, for eight
months.
- Re: southall bombs
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Feb-2011
best wishes bob.thanks for
that..down by hump bridge old oak pub..regina..there is a large triangle
green on east side...down to the canal..pipes spikes going across the
canal..and somebody has removed the iron plaque of 1790s on the bridge
saying grand junction..no loco weight vehicles...my family there 1850s
to 1928 to 1960 horse carts used old little lane northhyde then..gdad
photo of old oak charabanc
1826 easter trip over 30 regina rd regulars..if anybodys men on
photo..on our boards here.......jo dines landlord....think the triangle
must be as you speak of last houses there....one wat now cant turn right
etc....new wentworth rd is used to go along northhyde to new north
star...old north star pulled down by BA 1958ish...rec and old oak.had
couple cottages attached to pub..wingrove and cluster 13 ancient
labourers dwellings one tap in the middle yard...now 1960 new block
flats built there......swim pool .brit pathe news film easy to see on
google 1960..instructors,,kids using floats..doggy paddle etc..mums
close ups all around edge with cubicles......dad age 4.fell in canal oak
bridge,brother got him out.they were born lived opposite...both italy
army war..gdad akers born 8kids lived row old cotages northhyde by old
north star.family till 1960.brickfields till they built airport now
golflinks..photos on our boards...they always spoke of regina rd friends
and gordon rd etherington related..1900s 1980s...and aunt wingrove
teacher at costons 1925.lived adelaide with caretaker lodging..they were
salvation army adelaide 1900s... ... more >>
- Re: southall bombs
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 28-Feb-2011
Re Lady Marg. pub there are
flats across the rd. does any body remember a run down
builders yard over the back of the flats called Byfords
1940/50 had small rail skip trucks bits of railway track now
built on old peoples houseing i think
- Re: southall bombs
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Feb-2011
denis waste ground side of lady
marg rd..4 photos on our board of mums dads kids there coronation day
fancy dress and stage bunting decorated....wikipedia southall..says
shelters bunkers close or under schools...so lady marg school down by
your flower beds of shelter..and at public buildings..sirens near police
stations...wiki copies ealing council site..and type s....so if mistake
just says deaths
regina.V1 flying bomb killing occupants houses..means casualtes
really... copied from other council sight probably just wrong type
putting plural...s.. ... more >>
- Re: southall bombs
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 28-Feb-2011
Talk of coronation day nobody
seems to remember torch light walk up Lady Marg Rd in the
evening. the waste ground speak off Denbigh rd now called
Denbigh close
- Re: southall bombs
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Feb-2011
meant of course clifton rd school
...not costans of greenford....saw southall films yr ago,,,but 2 new
youtube now...part 2...and 1..bill cook...used rds around gladstone rd
see them on site.....old bell still on old white building wide approach
for trucks scenery etc..over 100 staff..fred the carpenter..`1924 1936
burnt down.3hrs of flames...rebuilt...war used dance roller skate..film
of people there..see if
you know.....1950s films colonel march of yard boris karloff..etc.pearl
dean advert 1/3 rimmel make up..........click search ...journey withour
maps..2...also 1...auction tv just sold a dads collection 2ndwar helmet
military items gas mask £120..£120 revolver..my cousin survived somme
with brother.but age 50s..direct hit buzzbomb.off cranford lane on his
bike going to work 1944.grave says heston..heston airport houses roads
suffered ,,,,he had german bits in drawer from trenches nazi can opener
german writing on it...........sTAMP collection but excellent some 1st
day covers.sold £1800..gibbons by charing cross station amazing place to
look in...3pm rations olympics 1948 channel 12...well done brits won
american oscars 4...plus black swan..speech was edinburgh fringe small
play 2007..low budget as usual for us but such gt filming acting
everything..was so good... ... more >>
- Re: southall bombs
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Feb-2011
also youtube there same page
called crawling ..b/w scary sci fi etc....but louise ashcroft crawling
eye is good..balloon eye on trolley..art form..she goes round brent rd
ind est 2009..down western rd to prince wales feathers pub.southall
green junction..red buses..she crosses rd...goes past new featherstone
rd primary at busstop..fence pavement has war memorial feathers boys
died names carved soldier on top....left west gas holder......bright sunny day little shops...... ... more >>
- Re: southall bombs
by Bob Burnard (Member 10252769) on 6-Mar-2011
Where I lived was 186 Regina
opposite the triangle green, which we always knew as the 'dump'even
after it was levelled and grassed over.Yes I remember the cast plaque on
the wall of the bridge, about 2'x 18".
Your father was lucky to survive falling in canal at Old Oak Bridge, as
i remember a lad of similar age from Regina rd,drowning under the pipe
you mentioned. when he sunk to the bottom and got
caught up in the junk that had been thrown in the canal. On corner of
Regina Rd and the Common was a tobbaconist sweet shop named Colliers,
later Mees. next door was Mees hardware. then Old Oak Pub,(Sutty was the
publican) and about ten, two up two down terrace houses then turn to
the right was a further four. which were all demolished to make way for
the new flats Green Oaks. Remember all the Yanks parking there lorries
down the length of the Common. ''Got any gum chum'',we used to ask them. ... more >>
- Re: southall bombs
by Bob Burnard (Member 10252769) on 6-Mar-2011
As young children we used to get
clay from the banks of the canal by Old Oak bridge, to make moulds,
pressing our lead toys etc, (planes and soldiers) into it to get
impression, and then getting lead from bomb site melting it over a fire
and pouring it into the mould,allowing to cool, and have a replica, cant
see any of the little darlings of today being allowed to do that. And
not a grown up in sight.
- Re: southall bombs
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Mar-2011
bob so grateful info,,,nan moved
in by oak pub 1914..6 kids 7th the baby died,,neighbours helped with
delivery etc..number 13...so yes about 14 dwellings in all.......2
attached to pub her uncle jo wingrove lived 2 daughters......think the
old dwellings .greenoaks flats replaced.when about 1950s..were bad very
old.....nan had down to dirt stone floor one room black leading stove
oven ......bedroom for
kids..dad fell in canal age 4 1925........1928 they moved to west ave
southall broadway...gdad was born 1890 off hump bridge row cottages
brickies by old north star...7 kids.....his brother george akers there
till pulled down 1958 by BA,,,,,,,,,,pipe bridge still there lot of
swans now.keeper comes in van to check them....turning hole
there.....was 1890 dock canal spur mounds of gunpowder..before orphanage
built........2009 december they at last pulled down many yrs
derelict...bridge hse by hump bridge northhyde lane..records say was
brickmakers owners hse 1900..mssive huge trees.......triangle still
there 2011.....clear clean grass............think they have elongated
old aok pub..seems longer than my 1925 photo...think the 2 cottages
attached are now pub....shops still there mini cab......barry a member
here his relative had grocer shop there 1900s ..on corner...yes 1920s my
aunt used the sweet shop............attached to old north star was
sweet shop 1920..my gdads brother hackers owned it .....my cousin who is
97 in canada served the sweets..her mum barmaid pub to landlord ackland
died 4yrs 1stwwar arras....al photos mounds dock..canal turn
hole..spur..rail track at brickfields gtgdad worked 1870....orphanage
common oak pub..2 dozen photos on our boards.....think alley at side
sweet shop regina..went off through.......george rd adelaide ours lived
worked..tube..etc..dad ..acres..worked heston airport after return army
italy war..then retired from BA heathrow........adelaide had tow path
bridge.path...barge repairs dock...gas.gdads brother worked 1890...then
later gasworks up by white st...etc..gt to hear your memories.....all my
crowd were born down there......went to western rd featherstone
schools.....welcome any more of your memories.. ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Mar-2011
barrys relative in newzealand now
family meads ran grocer shop on your corner,1900s.....what yr
sully...bob....and similar yr colliers........photo used to hang many
yrs over bar at oak pub of charabanc seaside easter trip 1926 ..regina
rd and local men 30/40 of them in my copy of the photo....here on our
boards,,,,,,nans old cottages now greenoaks...think communal..had tap in
middle..of square plot
of dwellings..condemned 1928...she moved out...wonder how long they were
left before what yr new flats built,,,,,.josies relative fell in canal
grand junction pub..and another man there fell in died........hump
bridge historic iron plaque there 2005 took photo it is on our
boards,,,,,,,unique says junction....1790 before union........but dec
2009 demolition pulled old 1800s bridge hse down..jan 2010...we went
take photos old demolished place left huge hole and trees..but plaque
had been ripped off.gone..should be in waterways museum.......let us
know your family yrs there and memories.....carnival started there etc
etc ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Mar-2011
bob........the old dwellings next
to oldoak pub..were..mt pleasant..nan moved in no13 1914...think they
were 100yrs old labourers places then.....next to her mrs ayres old lady
who helped deliver nans babies.....on easter pub trip old open top
charabanc..my aunt knew all mens names..regina locals and 24 gordon rd
etheringtons 3 generations 1900s to 1990 related.1926 photo jo
dines..chidley..luck.ayres.jellyman..think
rowbottom..weedon....what yrs were your family near
there...1950s............2 members here lived roads at common..1 lived
wentworth rd...all played over mounds south part of canal there...old
1800 gunpowder barracks....canal spur rail dock,,,brickfields...now
golfcourse after heston airport ended...1952 demolished barracks st mary
orphanage catholic...huge stone war memorial 80 boys 3 with special
medals gone disappeared..nuns took 1937 their huge statue christ to
chigwell when they left..aeradio had the chapel...parade ground
demolished..the boys farm cows orchard etc went,,,,,,,,bob.......do you
know of the 1952 ...events there bob......please.......jacks cafe
next to junction pub.western rd there now has the featherstone rd war
memorial at fence pavement new primary built there few yrs ago...photo
on our boards..105 bus along..... ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Mar-2011
bob some of our photos are easier
on google....northhyde dock flickr photosharing and up it somes with
200 others.......usually other boards are enter password..opposite oak
pub by hump bridge regina......30 boards photo in all
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by John W (Member 10082501) on 7-Mar-2011
My Father was born in Gordon Rd in 1907 but I don't know what the house number was. later they moved to 35 Waltham Rd.
Doing a little family research,my gran was born in Bethnal Green and her
fathers occupation is listed as Master Wood Carver. My Dads Father was
born, Regents Park 1868. He served in the Cavalry in the late 1800s. We
had a picture of him on his horse that ended up with my cousin. My Dad always wanted it but his elder brother had it. ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Mar-2011
we have that sort of thing in
family,,items 1870 only one copy...ends up 2011 with somebody not really
interested...at least now we can more easily do copies photos
etc,,,,attach email to each other etc..show share them evenly in
family....24 gordon our family lived 1900...francis etherington had baby
iris born in hse 1924...3 daughters still there
1980s90s.........waltham ..my nans gdad family lived...lydia
wingrove 4 of her children 1897...at waltham.boy worked at gasworks.boy
worked at southall farm there.....keep memories coming john try looking
at our feastwealth of photos... ... more >>
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by Bob Burnard (Member 10252769) on 8-Mar-2011
Old oak Pub had large brick
outside toilet to which was taken down and bar extended. also garden has
gone , which also had access to Stratford Rd When did you live near
Regina Rd. I was born in Regina rd in 39 left in 62 when i married a
Williams rd girl,we moved to Harlington then to Yeading, then Swansea
where we have lived for 34 yrs Glad to hear Swans are being
looked after. they used
to nest in turnaround rear of Nth Hyde house. which was occupied by the
Potters ,and a very private family, never used to play with us lot I
served my toolmakers apprenticeship at the Tube. happy memories, great
social club, and football team,cant recall anything about toxic fumes
etc ever being mentioned. The only events that i remember are the
Southall carnaval, the floats, which i played on in various bands, I use
Google Maps site to wander round Southall, to see how it has changed.
Very depressing ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Mar-2011
gt info from you bob...took my
aunt uncle back there 1979.....they were born mt pleasant next to oak
pub..cnarabanc pub trip..the photo of all men threw them farthings as
they were the kids...showed them photo of their dad by bar..over 30
local men 1926...bertha lloyd young woman there......1928 nan dad moved
to west ave broadway.....we left there 1961 to yeading...walk across
brookside football ..cows milked 6am......spikes bridge and yeading brook step stones....get back in minute ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Mar-2011
so grateful to you bob potter
info and pub and all..this is excellent unique site as we all say....no
other town has such good members..who squeeze in time to
contribute....potter...was 1870s brickfields and census etc brickfield
owner manager ther...photos on our site before and after demolition dec
2009...library has kelly post office directories 1914 1937..my self a
librarian over 40 yrs.....but
you are gt to say potter.....yes we all use street view and the aerial
one is good..allemby water tower and tanks are amazing....northhyde
looks like hot july sunshine 2005..van went round filming...left side
pub looks like 2 of the were attached cottages smoothed into elongating
the pub..my 1925 photo pub looks shorter to west...perhaps to right you
say toilets extended pub...garden must be the carpk all around back on
right side..mini cab in shop...there is side door there into pub..looks
like front door bricked up..original windows..as show in my 1925
photo...photos of all area turn around etc..on our 30 boards of
photos..such wonderful site we have here..friends and such kind generous
people..as many southall people were.....phylis our member still lives
further along there..many yrs......we all met last july fete norwood
green with photos and reminisce..she is church warden of st
marys.extremely good fete.plough pub there...my cousins were born 1930
to 1939..went to tudor rd north rd schools...and featherstone..baptised
st johns..cousin 1936 married st john worked nestle..husbands father 40
yrs maypole..she is 97 now canada...lived next to old north star
pub...by hump regina bridge....she went one day tube mother would not
let her go back..colour skin etc when came in.....josie our member her
went first day 1970 left......1890 onwards it was there so long you were
ok yrs you were there...my uncle 19yrs old 1936..worked there...toxic
fumes lungs..hillingd hosp..pneumonia.died...family kept his photo
silver frame sideboard all lives...compensation from tube payed for
elaborate stone verses etc havelock.and bit of black to wear,,,on google
1975 man called collins went there office worker..he was amazed toxic
fumes etc..wrote it all published could not see how people managed and
how it had been 100 yrs nearly there.....our local family names near
common were acres..hackers..etherington.ackland.wingrove...1870 to 1980s
the etheringtons wallbanks blackwell.there......many on site here like
myself family southall green northhyde but 1930s onwards north
southall. ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Mar-2011
lots photos harlington on our
boards 1960back to 30s etc..my husbands dad and 1800s family feltham
east bedfont.we married catholic church there of tony s
school.....quarry and heathrow farm..3 magpies ..waggon horses pub
turned into aerial hotel..lots local history books are great and in
google longford etc so good....harlington and harmondsworth at my
timberlake side of family tree agriculture market
gardening 1780..going back further also..church books...and london
archive record office north of st pauls..lma..has loads and
southall....yeading.I caught 140 bus to northolt tube for bbc
tv....willowtree pub went 2010..walnut tree there..horses down lane now
hayes by pass..to cranfrd heathrow..hayes high st pedestrian
precinct..grapes pub there but opposite huge shop mall....esseldo savoy
cinemas bingo gone..beck theatre is good top st march church
rd...yeading library there barnhill school industry pub..white hart pub
at roundabout now..ici war had kynock ammo...yeading by
canal..willowtree marina there byron pub burnt down......yeading.golden
bridge actor bernard miles saved goes back to medieval times uxbridge
route to harrow..shooting range still there.charvill..polish war
memorial..all photos our boards ... more >>
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by Bob Burnard (Member 10252769) on 8-Mar-2011
Thinking about toxic fumes at the
Tube. In the early days of tube making they were made of lead, this was
later changed to a process where the lead was covered in aluminium
before extrusion.
- Re: southall bombs
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Mar-2011
yes thanks bob..1936 he died from
there age 19.........ali toothpaste tubes....they were there such long
time 1890 or so till late 70s or more.......in google inspector writes
report on the tube...cant see how people put up with
it...........beechams I worked brentford.library...and mcleans
toothpaste there..........we used to have spare plain ali tubes of
toothpaste from the labs........lucozade flashing
neon.was there on outside wall huge........they have recently put back
as icon at the m4 flyover there now........golden mile of gt west rd
factories..and xmas trees were gt........ ... more >>
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by Bob Burnard (Member 10252769) on 9-Mar-2011
What i meant, that the tubes were
toxic because they were at first made of lead. then later lined with
Ali,perhaps to make them safer.
Lead being perhaps more toxic.
- Re: southall bombs
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Mar-2011
yes always talk of toxic
lead..and on google says when soldering lead 1936 times..long prolonged
periods time......air extracter vents for fumes etc....not probably
there...yet they had been a compnay since 1870 /1890 times....to close
about 1980...whether it was piece work.....get as much done long
hrs...get bit better in friday wage pkt..he was only 19...so glad of job
to help his mum out.he was
the shy one close to his mum.gentle soul..may have died war
anyway...tube payed bit of compensation........ victorian our nans
..babies every 2 yrs..labourers high rent etc...struggle..till at least
all the kids went to work 40s etc.....then 1950/60 they made things a
bit more comfortable for incredibly hard life their mum my nan.and all
victorians mostly all labourers had... ... more >>
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charlesworth`s
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by roycouch (Member 10232168) on 23-Feb-2011
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My mother,born in 1898, had her photograph taken when she was a
teenager when she was living in King Street. She told me that the
photographer tried to take liberties with her. Could it have been
Charlesworth ?
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Feb-2011
1914 janus charlesworth was at
southall green...manor house parade I think about 4 or so shops....then
another little parade shops..then that row all properties dominion side
southall green......so if she went to along king st ...or round abit
into southall green by manor hse....very posh photos...rumbold
merrimen...was also along there 1904...seem posh area..studio
photos....with their name signed
at bottom of photo...5 of them on our photoboards.......best wishes
roy..my family had couple photos studio taken 1914 war him in uniform
wife 2 little kids....but otherwise too expensive at those posh 1900s
studio photgraphers for working class people labourers etc...mad new
craze of photography though precious to have photos...our s found in
dressing table drawer of 1900s.in modern times if we had luck to find
any.....kept save by the women all those yrs rare to have.cost them
precious money to buy..dozen extremely rare glass plate ones on our
photoboards here of norwood green...HA ...dont move long
exposure..looked glum if wait long time aperture,,ha ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Feb-2011
dear RON cox pauline...val
jenkins born 1930went to tudor rd sch 1937 to 1940 remembers bomb
dropped at school...lived berwick ave 1930 to 1949,,went to townsfield
sch after 1940..worked hmv and fairey..on our short board
- Re: charlesworth`s
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Feb-2011
pauline organ music...paul martin
of flog it bbc 2tv..goes around country...showed us 3 rd largest organ
victorian st george hall corinthian huge columns fine building
liverpool.1000s.school children go there to sing....occupies whole of
one wall.7737 pipes...2nd largest is albert hall london ..largest organ
is protestant liverpool cathedral .we went in there 15yrs ago.looking at
all liverpool and
garden festival.......new cavern built of beatles they let the original
be demolished.....real george6th speeches stammer on tonight tv.9pm...5
days to oscars colin firth and all..............sign of 4 beatles orinal
not by the roadies...1963 value £3000..would be more if not
personalized to carole...on photo sold for £4000 ... more >>
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 23-Feb-2011
I don't remember the bomb dropped
on Tudor Road school, but Len mentioned it when we were discussing
bombs in Southall. He said it was on 15 October 1940.
- Re: charlesworth`s
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Feb-2011
thats marvellous thanks pauline
all the local hist bks we have all read and dont see things ..so
precious that people put on site like these their wonderful
knowledge..barry said it was kept quiet war...reported to town
halls..paper sheets kept but under lock key..moral..........paul marin
of flog it kind hearted he sent me video cassette 5yrs ago..southall
alice cracknell embroidery stitches sampler
done exercise school..1887..sold by croydon living woman..relative of
alice...my cracknell family maypole worked 40 yrs............gave
cassette to his gson lives canada visits middx every yr,,,,,,,,she did
her stitches at orphanage northhyde 1887 age9..heston church has her
married heston church 1907 alice maud......st marys southall lane...so
dont know link.........wrote to all catholic month ago send attach all
photos memorial plan..photos huge cross 80 boys names...said all depts
to very top...60 yrs now need to recarve those names 3 with
medals....their fault allow demolition 1952..aeradio Ba took over
there.......war memorials and the forces....all need know..80 names told
them room on heston memorial ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Feb-2011
the other southall site are
looking at pathe mayor opens southall hospital...yr since I saw it..so
looked again...extrememly good...huge crowds with row of like australia
hat mounties canada type hats..guard honour..in front of crowd..1stwwar
famous australia amputees hospital by australia nurses there..opening
new southall norwood hosp ceremony,brit pathe news reel free..in
google......alderman sir
percy vincent .lord mayor london.cuts the ribbon..says
1930s.1935/6september. ceremony film gazette....gem cinema with flag
flying..manor house....got cinema new opens bristol abc zhivago.....got
77 birthday chaplin..got george 6th coronation..pathe there....cousin
spoke says thinks swim pool being built dormmers school new millions
pounds build started last week..alleys at northcote pub cant go all the
way through now.alexandra ave....grubhams corner shop and mr lucky sweet
shop at other corner...arthur g allen butchers down by hambro
pub.labour club gone long time now.she remembers charlie chambers barrow
stall.and knew gillespies greengrocer well.....scaffolding up the old
house the photo on our board of double ancient working class cottage
derelict.high st southall..up near red lion pub hotel.......so
perhaps,,something being done....she says... ... more >>
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by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 23-Feb-2011
Before reading the earlier
discussions on bombs dropped on Southall I had always thought that the
only bomb that was dropped pn Southall during WWWII was the one that
dropped on my grandmother, Ellen Mary Millard's house at 158 Regina Rd
killing her & wounding my grandfather. The person that told me it
was the only bomb was a guy I met out here in Australia called Tony
Wakelin who had lived in Hammond Rd.
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Feb-2011
sincerely sorry about your gran
ellen..think every person southall in old days heard of regina rd
deaths..was so very sad....probably some others were cluster
inceduary..or such like..greenford grammar top lady marg rd the kids put
out with water anything dropped nazis in area of northolt
airport..southall pk bomb...hanwell asylum..aerial map on our
photoboards shows nazi pilots map of aec they wanted
smash that .armoured tanks built there......cinema palace by bus stop
most people heard of 2 ladies killed..my aunt was near miss there she
had been there.........heston airport near rd my .cousin lived...he had
survived somme...age 50s 2ndwar on bike to work..direct hit buzz bomb
noise cut out dropped on him no corpse to bury...heston church later his
wife brotherburied and his name grave 1944 killed V bomb..the local
history books and southall at war book...have chapters on regina
bomb...tube factory canal nearby.....factories old southall gree
areas.......best wishes to you ... more >>
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 23-Feb-2011
Hi Fred. I think the Paperback
book "Ealing, Acton & Southall At War" by Dennis Upton ISBN 978 O
7524 4954 8 will give you most of the information you need on the bombs
dropped in Southall, etc. A lot of us on this Site already had the book
recommended to us. It has the Regina road bombing there on 30th August
1944. I am so sorry about your Gran. Best wishes.
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by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 23-Feb-2011
Hi Fred i have a length of
silk parchute cord from a land mine that came down in Lady
Margaret road, there were quite a few bombs came down on
Southall inc. a V1 and V2 in Hayes.
- Re: charlesworth`s
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Feb-2011
the wikipedia on google for
southall history in a nutshell...tends to just give outline...and only
says deaths....so they have regina rd there as several..so bad it
was.....but do not mention the 2 young ladies at shoe shop next to
palace.....others not deaths less recorded.....unexploded ones
thankfully as well......wardens job to record all for town hall and
government but morale kept it locked away.....southall
chat boards like ours several people talk of the several deaths
aberthies west ealing store sold school uniform..hanwell asylum.laundry
was V1bombed..and gate hse abit....and other there....so close to
aec.....wonder if they thought of it from there air as war need
bomb......1937 asylum new named st bernards,,1979 new ealing hospital
built.st barnards wing to west..and flats and housing est shops called
osterley est.....broadmore mental crime womenpatients moved there cost
millions £s and iron bridge gwr..got away with not being hit...hitler
wanted oxford as his capital etc chat on tv this last week...and keep
royals as edw8th to get people to come round..etc etc dread to think... ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Feb-2011
BOARD28@yahoo.com PHOTOS
>>NEW ONE TODAY THERE from .les kath nelhams on their visit to
sydney australia 1988...north rd people spoke of the family didnt
they...thanks.best wishes..and somebody said branch related to adam
faith of nelhams pop singer
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by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 24-Feb-2011
Thank you Pauline & Yvonne
for your sympathy. I've just ordered the book from Amazon. The date
certainly seems right because Mum & Dad nearly put their wedding off
(20th Sept) because of the bomb but my Grandfather insisted it go
ahead. I can't wait to show Mum & Dad the book. Incidently the house
was rebuilt & ready for me to be born into (via Hillingdon
Hospital)in 1950. The woman who owned the house was a Mrs Richards who lived downstairs, whilst we occupied the top floor. ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Feb-2011
best wishes fred..could be st
johns wedding as being local...my cousin married there another baptised
there,.snap my husband with you same time being born hillingdon
maternity..myself couple mths before...they called us all the after war
babies men home from war..ours dads home from army italy../the other
good book is by local librarian jonathan oates lots photos in it..called
southall images of england
series..with plety to read text...on amazon...often couple bks they
give you discount cheaper..pbk..with huge picture town hall on cover..my
friend was bombed out doodlebug heston..they tried ruin the airport
nearby...moved out then after war 1946 it was fit to move back in
..rebuilt..she is over 80 living there now.....lots of us brought up in
prefabs for bombed out or men home from war..they stayed occupied to
1970ish..lots photos southall regina hump bridge old oak pub.white swan
.old north star by canal to 1950s..all photos on our boards 29 of
them..and
backwardsnumbers..flickr........southallboard29@yahoo.co.uk..all best to
you mum dad..... ... more >>
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by Phyl Hutnell (Member 10234816) on 24-Feb-2011
I didn't realise the number of
bombs dropped on Southall, as the only one I knew about was the one that
landed in Southall Park and made a great big crater. I lived in
Shrubbery Road, and it brought our ceilings down and broke the windows.
Everyone just got on with it and cleared up their own mess. Luckily we
were in our Anderson shelter in the garden, but I remembert my Mum
saying she thought it had landed on our house because of the noise. ... more >>
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by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 24-Feb-2011
Phyl-living in North Road, we
were also affected by that V1. The ceiling was brought in on my bed-we
were downstairs in the Morrison Shelter!
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 24-Feb-2011
I remember the night in July 1944
when the bomb dropped on Southall Park. My brother and I were in the
Anderson shelter in our back garden of Northcote Avenue on our own - our
minder couldn't look after us that night, and my dad was at the AEC on
night work, and my mother was convalescing. It was a very bright night,
and when the bomb dropped all the dirt in the garden which backed on to
ours flew up in the air several feet. The ducks were making one hell of a row before the bomb dropped. ... more >>
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by sheila iddenden (Member 10235498) on 24-Feb-2011
the night the bomb fell in
southall park ,My gran and i were in bed in the middle room downstairs.
i remember it going over the noise was frigtening them explosion .
Myparents were upstairs in bed mum went to run downstairs to us, dad
stopped her just as well as the blast blew the top windows in she would
have been blowen down the stairs , the dressing table was cover in
bricks and glass from the
windows but not a thing was broken. downstairs we were covered in soot
and brick dust and a few windows were damaged but as Phyl says my mum,
dad and gran just got on and cleared up I think my parent went to work
as usual the next day. the bomb in regina road i can remember seeing the
bif hole that it left ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Feb-2011
best wishes sheila,,,gdad a
builder...made their shelter garden by kitchen door..insisted they all
go down it.but he never did hitler wasnt going to get him out of his
upstairs bed,,,ha..born 1890 northhyde they lived through 2 wars
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Charlesworth's Photographers Southall
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by Hannah (Member 10258318) on 21-Feb-2011
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I have found some old family photographs in searching for ancestors and
am looking for some information on the Charlesworth's Photographers in
Southall. I may be able to find out the approximate dates of births of
the people in the photo if I can find out when the photography shop was
there in Southall. Can anyone help me?
My email is hani_morris@hotmail.com if anyone could give me some information on the photographers. Thank you! ... more >>
- Re: Charlesworth's Photographers Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Feb-2011
it was there at southall green
1914.....post office directory in library and record
offices.1914.one..they came out every couple yrs..........one free on
line for southal is 1914...........in google......historical
directories........location southall........alphabetical...under
c.........trades shops......also alphabetical.names.residents....also
alphabetical..streets who living at each number in the road....best wishes ... more >>
- Re: Charlesworth's Photographers Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Feb-2011
janes charlesworth number 4 manor
hse parade east side...1914.......so by the being refurbished famous
manor house..down old southall at southall green...famous photographer
there in 1905 was merriman rumbold ...1901 1911 census would have your
relative..once every 10 yrs names street occupation family names in the
house.......death record says where they lived died..baptism record
.birth record marriage gives addresses etc........st johns church southall green parish..... ... more >>
- Re: Charlesworth's Photographers Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Feb-2011
you may want to put names people
and surnames maiden names....on this site.if memories......using
southallgreen studio not only southall green people we have photo
people who lived at dawley hayes..using photography studio
there..........and 1stwwar photo.of that studio.........my relatives
lived northhyde we have their 1stwar photos groups wife kids he in
uniform.studio photos....
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gazette
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 17-Feb-2011
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on google often..this week..emi hayes.so many our families
worked.records or war work...debt ridden.feb taken over by usa
citibank..1906.....1960s 14000 employed..radar guided missiles during
war...engineer nobel prize for CT scanner....temp control archive there
still has originals roll stones beatles in dawley rd...war memorial emi
deaths in local cemetery on our photos and others..hayes parish church
oldest building in area...many our families 1800s bapt married
there,,,vicar says faces ruin..listed eng heritage..building
insurance..thefts last months ..8ft roof tiles £1000 each...£80000
revamp 2008 but damp getting in..drayton hall west draytonyiewsley....
1500s......napoleon 3rd visited..de burgh relative of william
conquerer.1980 sold to united biscuits.now to ferring pharmaceuticals ... more >>
- Re: gazette
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Feb-2011
gazette.recently.....joyce butler
school dance southall ealing hillingdon hayes..continued by vanessa
hoskins..trophies won....ballet tap modern jazz..miss butler died
2005.....75yrs amid airraid sirens deafening sound of bombs she
continued.putting on show costumes material scarce parachute
material..nice silk they made wedding dresses.....seems 4 names of dance
schools southall......16 july her show
on beck theatre hayes this yr....beck good theatre of over 25yrs... on
uxbridge rd up by adam eve pub.on south side..down near church rd
hayes.... ... more >>
- Re: gazette
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Feb-2011
manor hse has put
message...planting flowers there tomorrow..invited those who want
participate....ivanhoe film today 2.45 digital freeview 15.1952 rob
taylor..chris mums shop did the chain mail swords etc etc for elstree
film...george 6th documentary wed 9pm tv..so good because fim
excellent..rations war etc on tv digital freeview this week.
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King Street Shops
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by jean edward (Member 10247075) on 15-Feb-2011
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Someone recently mentioned Devanneys and the fact that they sold
Fishing Gear (and worms) I remember as I small child I used to have my
nose pressed against the window looking at the Dolls and Games they had
displayed, nobody seemed to buy them but it was wartime and there wasn't
much money around.
Also further along the road was a Bata's shoe shop and when the war was over they had a hugh consignment
of shoes(and sandals)in.Think they came from Czechoslovakia. every girl
in our school (Western Rd Seniors) had a pair, very basic but after
years of having second-hand ones they were a joy. ... more >>
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by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 15-Feb-2011
Thats right Jean Batas was
Czech in the 40s thay also ran there own airline. Batas was
the other side of Havelock Road across from the very old
church.
- Re: King Street Shops
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Feb-2011
that old st johns was old looking
even in 1950s..1838 built for brickies labourers kids.school
by...vitreol factory up by wolf dobbs payed for it..big blue board
message huge was outside for yrs..too small 1908,new st john bulit..roy
devann fish and toys ..cynthia downes gazed in also.......western rd
school on our photos28/7,,play 1945/6......and between houses entrance
large building,2000 just before
demolished..old building of 1911 my aunts went to 1918....bata seems
shoes pakistan now this last yr on google.........barrats
shoes.broadway....lilley skinner ealing broadway..dolcis.. ... more >>
- Re: King Street Shops
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 15-Feb-2011
Wasnt Timothy Whites & Talors on the corner of Hammond Road on the other side Devanneys.
- Re: King Street Shops
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 15-Feb-2011
Thats right Yvonne thats why i said old church right behind the church was Flexmans coach garage
- Re: King Street Shops
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 15-Feb-2011
When we got married from North
Hyde Lane, we had our reception indoors. I can remember we hired all the
cutlery, crockery, glasses and trestles from a double-fronted shop near
the Regina road end of King street. Can anyone remember the name of the
shop?
- Re: King Street Shops
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Feb-2011
just seen........ytube videos
done by pupils...excellent......greenford grammar ...art deco front but
very old toilet shower block etc..pulled down 2008...new build behind.my
cousin went there about same time as tim lott author southall
bk.........1939 they said were there bombs mornington rd as mike len
said and we were told when we lived off there 14yrs......whole crowd of
them gathered had great
reunion day......... 1940 incendery bombe dropped around school.... boys
helped put out..they joked with students helped save the school...nazis
going for northolt airport nearby.......tea cakes...lunch...group
photos..all said how lovely students were.......love from me to you
beatles music etc..filmed by students...crane demolishes the art
deco....clever films.... ... more >>
- Re: King Street Shops
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 16-Feb-2011
I belive Mornington Road was not only bombed but was also machine gunned
- Re: King Street Shops
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Feb-2011
yes when we lived there ...well
known to people how bad it was...len mike...both said it was heard of
etc etc..southall.....many southall people just lived near at keats rd
etc..allemby just through the road there.....greenford library had huge
board display on bombing..church along rd near mornington got flattened
..photo of it in ruins on our board....antiaircraft guns on horesendon
to try get war work
hoover factory and factories northolt airport stop bombers..so
mornington near..poor school oldprimary greenford shops top
mornington........top lady marg greenford grammar entrance down lady
marg rd now..lots lady marg primary went to it....1928 born at reunion
demolish old building..looked gt.all had good time ... more >>
- Re: King Street Shops
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 16-Feb-2011
Denis re Mornington Road-yes you are correct.
At the time of the raid, I was home for lunch(from Dormers Wells). I was
out in the garden, and mum was chatting to the next door neighbour.
Suddenly there was AA gunfire(no air raid warning), then the sounds of
bombs dropping.
- Re: King Street Shops
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Feb-2011
wondered...did they say if going
back did they just drop weight of heavy bombs out anywhere just to speed
rush off....thinking of if recon of northolt airport or bomb northolt
or western ave factories..if being chased off unsuccessful...drop bombs
off to get rid of weight of slow down..if chased off...report at hayes
says yeading lane uxbridge rd saw northolt fighter chase off german
plane....causing more damage to rows houses than..anything.. ... more >>
- Re: King Street Shops
by jean edward (Member 10247075) on 16-Feb-2011
Yes Pauline, I remember that shop
in Regina Rd it was on the bend as the road curved round. I don't
think it had an official name but sold loads of bits and pieces, also
hired things out. It had big tables outside full of junk!!
It opened just after the war finished and I can remember buying my first
lipstick in there, was about 6d. I was all of 14 and thought it was
great to have my own lipstick and not have to sneak my sisters when she came home on leave. ... more >>
- Re: King Street Shops
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 16-Feb-2011
No Jean, it wasn't actually in
Regina road, it was at the end part of King Street, before you crossed
over to Regina road. It was quite a nice looking shop, not at all tatty.
It was on the same side as the Co-op, but a lot further up.
The hiring of stuff was just a part of their service. They certainly didn't sell junk!
- Re: King Street Shops
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 16-Feb-2011
Talking of Northolt airfield it is now last Battle of Britian airfield on R.A.F charge
- Re: King Street Shops
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Feb-2011
thanks for that..yes that radio
speech spoke well of queens flight raf helicopters.some private small
white jets..there now...always had there musicband outside
practice...and 3 yrs now all airmail forces mail..dealt with
there...NATO had on board..now huge board says white hse entrance..2
huge model planes there of war and couple war memorials along side
there.....raf uxb they keep cinema museum ops
bunker.plotting...but houses estate on airfield.........raf asked for
ruislip hse batt brit hse..had their pictures planes club all around
walls but council sold it for a school there now......off ruislip woods
near lido pictures lido on our boards.. ... more >>
- Re: King Street Shops
by jean edward (Member 10247075) on 18-Feb-2011
The old St. Johns Chuech in King
Street had a crypt beneath it. They used to hold sunday-school in the
church itself and sometimes the crypt was open and us kids used to go
down there, very eerie.
- Re: King Street Shops
by jean edward (Member 10247075) on 18-Feb-2011
chuech = church
- Re: King Street Shops
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Feb-2011
thanks jean thats
interesting..never had land there for parish church burials..used to see
from bus just that slight graveyard at side..so church ave 1906 new st
john and havelock council by it......dobbs the owner of the viteol
chemicals factory at canal towards wold pub payed for 1837 st john
because hamlet southall green..had to use stmary hayes and st mary
virgin norwood green..1800s rowdy brickies
ag labourers wild kids small st john and school of it started
there..1850 records of it at archive.,so dobbs perhaps buried in his own
crypt..my cousin registered 1937 acton town hall war detruction birth
record missing she could not come home from australia visit..I had to
take her mother to london to sign affidavit that born ..we got first
passport for her.she had gone 1958 £10 pom to oz on husband passport
with 4 yr old child..showing her st john baptism certificate all her
life.instead.. ... more >>
- Re: King Street Shops
by John W (Member 10082501) on 24-Feb-2011
I remember Devaney's well, my Uncle was an avid angler and was always arguing with Devaney.
I also remember buying fireworks there for Guy Fawkes night.
The 120 bus stop was outside Devaney's where I caught the bus to go to school in Heston.
The Post office on Kings St. they sold dinky toys and packets of mixed stamps for us stamp collectors.
Before MP3 players and video games we amused ourselves with such things
as stamp collecting and train spotting. The bottom of Brent Rd was a
favourite Train Spotting spot.
... more >>
- Re: King Street Shops
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Feb-2011
oh yes those fine pkts stamps 50s
we were collecting and little tissue tags to put in album...each
country....opposite charing cross station they still have the main big
shop..stanleygibson.....windows full of stamp collectors joy.........120
still goes heston..couple other little buses also now they have put
extra little buses all over last 8yrs or so........school my nan went to
was next to heston
church...it is still there expanded 1yr ago....norwood green village
fete every yr...couple schools off of there.....120 to lampton and
hounslow bus garage,,,tony went to springwell lampton grammar.. ... more >>
- Re: King Street Shops
by Bob Burnard (Member 10252769) on 28-Feb-2011
Name of post office was Lodges
which was half Post Office other half toys and stamps. Later moved
further up to the old Hardys cycle shop next door to Dadaks bakery end
of King St,Devanneys was also a two fronted shop one half toys, other
selling fishing tackle ,bait air rifles, knives,daggers,football.
cricket and football gear & eqipment. tennis and table tennis bats
How he ever found anything was
amazing.Shop later taken over by Jack Davis and brothers,the
greengrocer who moved from next to Mullingers fish, oppsite the Swan, ... more >>
- Re: King Street Shops
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Feb-2011
white swan big on corner long
time now religious place..and black dog pub had irish landlord...but now
a religious place..josie tells us havelock pub turned to betting shop
now......king prussia renamed victory pub..now victory B and B hotel
- Re: King Street Shops
by John W (Member 10082501) on 2-Mar-2011
My Grandparents moved to Southall
from Islington around 1900. My Grandfather died in 1911, leaving my
Grandmother to bring up six children.
My Uncle joined the Navy at fifteen and served during WW1,
My Grandmother worked on a local farm, could have been Heston Farm, and in the Havelock Arms Pub.
I can only image how difficult it must have been for her in those days.
- Re: King Street Shops
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Mar-2011
yes john...most of us were the
same 90 % working class labourers.....everywhere..farms brickmaking
etc...up north midlands east end london worse....far worse many other
thickly black soot industrial areas.....we were heston
farm..etc.......northhyde southall green........barry raymond was king
st havelock coffee rms 1900s southall always asks if anybody knew
them......nans brother was age 12 and before
heston farm..till closed it 1960 he died next yr....lost his tythe old
dwelling there....worked the horses and fields....wingrove timberlake
wallbanks etc our southall heston family 1850 to 1980s..lindsey of us
fred worked heston farm 1930s to 1960..horses won medals for
them...photos on our boards here 1914 women work fields war work...8 of
my family on it.........also photo this board here..old oak pub old
north star pubs...charabanc trip 1925 all local men...on
it......1925...lived northhyde brickies 1870 to 1960............photos
there heston farm heston church rose crown pub. old george pub.elm tree
pub queens head new heston rd brit legion..plough norwood
green...havelock black dog white swan.photos king st our site and king
prussia changed to victory.....etc etc loads about our families
john..1900s yes ..1806 my nans gdad born southall green married lived
fern lane norwood green...........labourers hard life biscoe
school....couple broke the mould....gt uncle dickie wingrove mkt
gardener greegrocer shop ..had a lot of money1937 and his sister ada
teacher died 1925 clifton rd school left large money......rest in church
books labourers as most were ....babies died..wives tb died..men fell
off ladders died young . 1900s...poor and disease..low wage 6 days
week worked 12 hrs day sun up sun down....1914 loads died....so respect
for our lives they all gave us.from their suffered lives...hard
work...babies every 2 yrs...men had pub water not fit drink.......salt
of earth...survivors good people... ... more >>
- Re: King Street Shops
by Dorothy Desjardins (Member 10251913) on 14-Mar-2011
I remember Devanney's very well -
my Dad was a HUGE fishing fan - made a few of his own fishing rods and
spent a lot of time talking to the owner (?Sam Devanney) about rods
& reels & so on. I remember he had two grown sons and another
little boy from his 2nd marriage. Nice family. Further along King
Street but on the opposite site(going towards what was the White Hart)
there was a hardware shop.
I don't remember the name but it was run by a gent named Larondie - I
went to Southall Grammar with his son Keith. Oh - and at the OTHER end
of King Street (near what was the Dominion cinema), there was a Co-op
store. I THINK the Dominion is now a Sikh temple - don't really know,
haven't been back there for 25 years!! ... more >>
- Re: King Street Shops
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-Mar-2011
best wishes dorothy yes the
dominion has been an art centre for many yrs....havelock pub is now a
betting office...huge sikh temple near havelock cemetery ..they are
refurbishing manor hse and gardens this yr for 2yrs........white swan
was big pub on corner of norwood rd..now a religious centre as is also
the black dog.........try and see google street view ot aerial view many
of us have found good........best
wishes to you...hope they see all your excellent king st..sometimes
they dont get tiime to go back pages...you may like to click new thread
and it appear top of first page...your memories of king st very
popular.they see it better there........120 bus still goes along....my
family lived northhyde and by heston church and cranford lane....the gem
cinema is now penthouse appartments..corner southall hospital...but new
big ealing hospital now east side areas of st bernards//////carnival
went regina to southall pk ... more >>
- Re: King Street Shops
by peter hillary (Member 10254122) on 20-Apr-2011
I purchased a split cane fishing
rod from Devanneys King St.I saved long and hard for it by collecting
newspapers door to door then selling them to Brands salvage in Western
Rd.An old chap who wore WW1 puttees called Taxi Austin worked there
weighing up the salvage.
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FLAGS
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by jean edward (Member 10247075) on 12-Feb-2011
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Who turned on the flags, and what for????
- Re: FLAGS
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Feb-2011
dont know jean have wondered
before...red flags..mystery to me..best wishes jean......your photo has
already had nearly 40 viewings so peoples memories north rd
school...local school photos board 28/27 etc
- Re: FLAGS
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 12-Feb-2011
Re: the red flags - take the page down to the next one and then back up again, and it gets rid of them. I can't bear them.
- Re: FLAGS
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 12-Feb-2011
Hi Jean the red flags are to report unsavoury language ect.
- Re: FLAGS
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Feb-2011
thanks pauline denis...on friends
reunite .janet roberts of north ave where my aunt lived..off north
rd..photo her southallpk 19 aug 1965.with sally scarbrow .shell
.aspell...if of our phylis..photo on our boards 28/27.with jean 1937
north rd sch.bunting up of cornation bertie..45/50 in big clas...derek
hiett born 1930 kingsley ave off north rd my cousin may be in
it...photos on are plaza hotel above
shop s east corner alexander ave..lots rooms whole crner..where used to
be snooker hall 1950s..phots rail engines 1957 in gaswks.buffers.labour
hall 1950 by woolies inside..work mans club southall green.photos old
sainsburys..photo new organ 2008 lottery money and tudor rd school,,st
george 1904 from botolph church london 1724.pipes restored..badge of
kids uniform tudor...photos interior church etc etc.......kearley dock
canal winch crane jam coal biscuits.painting on photos... ... more >>
- Re: FLAGS
by jean edward (Member 10247075) on 14-Feb-2011
Thanks for the replies everyone
:-) Dennis, I couldnt see any unsavoury language on the page - did
anyone else spot it? Surely there must be a way to turn them off. By
the way I did find the way of going to the next page and they had
vanished.
Its been a bit quiet on here lately so I would put in my 2d worth.
- Re: FLAGS
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-Feb-2011
great to hear you jean from sunny
oz..your north rd photo on board 5 and also 28.....good of you under
king queen photos bunting of may 1937 coronation..large class count 45
or even 50ish,,,bet none thought sept 1939 and war ..even that 6 long
yrs,then to 1954 long some rationing...girl in front row bandage
knee,.,,but more outdoor play..could by fell over.....collection of
general school photos..girl
wit calipers spastic,,..we at school they used to do charities and talk
of polio and iron lung machines....my old b/w photos my class only have
because in the post at west ave my aunt got a free brown plastic cheap
camera..took it to school and seem to be only one with precious photos
of the dormers girls...post came from spastics she used to
contribute..kings speech swept the awards last night..it is so very good
actors actress .film ..music.script..73 yr old man who was part of the
stammer society asked qmum 30 yrs ago of film to give an
understanding..she said oh but not in my lifetime.memories too sad
raw...so he waited till 3yrs ago and now gt film...3 sept broadcast to
nation ..on google the emi vinyl record hear...just months after your
photo 1936 abdication nov..may 37 coronation..abbey use again april this
yr..white clean cleaming stone there now superb architecture...geoffrey
rush working not there to get his well deserved award..australian
actor.and logue from adelaide perth...rush was in elizabeth 1st also
several period costume films so powerful.marvellous to watch him..and
our darcy ..he can do no wrong....bbc broadcasting..radio..was so much
the thing then and george 5th xmas broadcasts..wills cried at
christening.it was reported queen said oh good hearty lungs make good
speeches..olympic stadium .voted to go to west ham football and some
athletics..there was tonys gdad family 3 generations loco wks.railway
workers 1800sthen one was tram driver......too late to find street of
cottages..area gone to olympic complex ... more >>
- Re: FLAGS
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 14-Feb-2011
Jean if theres someting your
not happy with you klik the red flag a complaints box comes
up and and you can complain about that thread.
- Re: FLAGS
by Chris (Member 10220786) on 14-Feb-2011
RED FLAGS....do you mean on this site.......I haven't seen any !!! Strange. Chris x
- Re: FLAGS
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 14-Feb-2011
We've had quite a few of them Chris. They appear for quite a while, and then they go again. Very strange you haven't had any.
- Re: FLAGS
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 16-Feb-2011
Morning everybody. The red flags are back on my computer, and I wondered if you've got them Chris?
- Re: FLAGS
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Feb-2011
yes yesterday a bit as well most
time daily seem....google grammar....is good 2 films..reunion 1939
grammar lads lasses..they helped with bombs 1940....50 in large group
photo..2 age 16 met at school married.......so interesting everything
they said..and demolish style intesting to watch..etc etc
- Re: FLAGS
by Chris (Member 10220786) on 16-Feb-2011
NO.........no flags on my computer. Chris x
- Re: FLAGS
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Feb-2011
only southall knowhere....not others...when put in for 2010 ...also flags...ha
- Re: FLAGS
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Feb-2011
the greenford grammar 1939
built.bombs 1940....films utube...as they say should be southall as most
is in southall.art deco front like lady marg school...lots photos
pupils etc.....5 films..E1 bus was 55.......route greenford broadway
..pink tree blossom.brentside school of drayton manor
.cuckoo...greenford ave ....queen suburbs castlebar etc haven green
daffs broadway,,,..stanhope primary top of mansell
rd caretaker retired after over 25 yrs........lots memories most
shops.market cinema etc.on greenford frith memories.oldfield rd
ravenor..etc etc.so good.......... ... more >>
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football...also..boys girls brigade
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Feb-2011
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other site..areyouoldfacesouthall.....j allinson.asks who brigades and
knows paul goddard football player and manager..photo on google..born
1959 harlingtonhayes.....football photos on our boards we have 28 boards
over last year......another has said got the photoboard ok today with
instruction here.below..
- Re: football...also..boys girls brigade
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 7-Feb-2011
Yvonne - it occurs to me that a
few months ago Sheila did get through to a Photoboard. If she did, she
would need to "SIGN OUT" before she can move on to the next Photoboard.
Do hope this helps.
- Re: football...also..boys girls brigade
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Feb-2011
yes pauline thanks...top right
hand corner....click sign out then click sign in....says another board
user..click it and type in the next number as you did
before.........nice 16 chapters page small booklet to read..1930s etc
hanwell....bill coats hanwell school remembered.....community centre
listed building school of old days chaplin......days out walpole pk huge
old tank there of 1st war climbed
over...comics gem..magnet.hotspur.wizard..beano..just off greenford ave
down by cuckoo estate ruislip rd..castlebar halt..rail....his dad gased
1st war.weak died.mum died phneumonia..crab apples blackberry
picked...radio listened to fa cup..boat race..finish line chiswick
bridge..we enjoyed there also... ... more >>
- Re: football...also..boys girls brigade
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Feb-2011
several of you would
enjoy......saturday morning picturs......in google ...those old
westerns......click old fortyfives.com...............nice site
- Re: football...also..boys girls brigade
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Feb-2011
todays gazette ..joyce butler
school dance ..ealing..southall.hayes hillingdon..died 2005 but they
continue..beryl roberts dance fairlawn hall by town hall became
conservative club..freddie lake dance next to firestation.....top lady
marg rd hall 1950ds 60s doreen venerbles ballet...and others..
- Re: football...also..boys girls brigade
by Max - history (Member 10257834) on 10-Feb-2011
Hello Yvonne,
I'm trying to do some history research on Southall and you seem to be
very knowledgable. It's a bit complicated to explain online. Would you
be able to email me or give me a call? My email is
maxcchall@yahoo.co.uk and my number is 0207 749 3134.
Best Regards
Max
- Re: football...also..boys girls brigade
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Feb-2011
jonathan oates 30yrs local history dept librarian ealing broadway..all knowledge southall etc
- Re: football...also..boys girls brigade
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-Feb-2011
ray matthews 30yrs st george
scouts etcclubs..rugby,,southallswimming club on photosboard..tudor rd
and dormers went,,21 yrs now poole retired..organ st george photos on
google tudor rd and manders restored 2008 the1724 organ from london to
georges new church 1905.photos on our board...
- Re: football...also..boys girls brigade
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 13-Feb-2011
When you tap in "Abraham Jordon
Organ Tudor road Southall" you can click on and listen to a piece of
music "Trumpet Tune" played on the organ, which was written in the 18th
century. It's lovely to think it's coming from the church where we used
to congregate when we were young at Tudor Road school at Easter time.
- Re: football...also..boys girls brigade
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-Feb-2011
lovely music said came from
london because problems there and given to new st george 1904ish..lovely
photos kids blue uniform with manders new pipes..mr matthews said
organised social and badmington st george youth club..lives poole
now....google says southall treasure that organ...old 1900s photos
interior on our photos..etc...says allemby pub now heating plumbing
shop..easter sounds wonderful there...late easter this yr apr24 is with royal wedding..daffs snowdrops crocus are up now...... ... more >>
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History of Southall Manor House Grounds
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by Southall Manor House Grounds (Member 10257463) on 1-Feb-2011
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Hi all!
We are working on a project to improve the Manor House and grounds in Southall.
Part of this project is to collect Oral Histories by people that
remember the park well, in addition to the local area of Southall Green.
Would anyone like to share anything, or any photos with us? ... more >>
- Re: History of Southall Manor House Grounds
by Southall Manor House Grounds (Member 10257463) on 1-Feb-2011
We also have a facebook page where you can view more pictures and information on this project.
http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=126597127410639&id=100001810588264#!/profile.php?id=100001810588264
- Re: History of Southall Manor House Grounds
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Feb-2011
google says £560000 renew hse
...£30000..£50000 grounds,child playground items and area..pond..if yew
trees mulberry of hundreds yrs still there....TODAY old face southall
asking for northcote ave today.kay her dad john hodges and mum
organising his 70th.look for tony yvonne cox..there...and beehive pub
near wendy natalie who were hard of hearing...
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 1-Feb-2011
I recognise the name Hodges from
Northcote Avenue, but can't think whereabouts they lived. We were at
number 153 opposite the Ive family who were costermongers.
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Feb-2011
thats marvellous pauline kays mum
is doing 70th birthday party for husband mr hodges...dilys is on
oldfacesouthallsite......and there also free 2 videos recently of
southall broadway etc in sunshine good camera..hodges family would
remember grughams corner shop etc..etc....les ives you did not recognise
in zetas photo..she says he was gassed 1st wwar...best wishes
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Feb-2011
kay says looking for cox family
from there..tonyyvonne cox...our site mr ron cox in australia was from
there into his 70s now...steve hill of northcote ave has rons email.said
at july 09 entry....so if kay sees our site.1947 ron was football,,,and
dormers...and tudor rd school..I think..daughter kay should put the
names into friends reunite site.....
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 2-Feb-2011
You're right, I didn't recognise
Les Ive's photo, but it was nearly 60 years ago that I left Northcote
Avenue, and he would hsve been a lot younger.
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Feb-2011
thankyou yes...the photo is
1950.....older man in 1950 they all are at the table.....zeta says he
was gassed 1st wwar ..so born about 1897ish..be 55 approx in the
photo..thanks..rare to get such photos...mary wants one of her
teacher..bowles...near impossible..at dormers reunion..if school had
kept photos of staff...but 50s they did not...today photos all staff and
kids...just got some 1940s photos
sainsbury..how changed..best wishes...looks like king speech does well
logue son died before the qmum..so could not make it before from
diaries..she wrote to logue1952 thanked gt friend he was to
bertie..logue died 1953 age 73 was 15 yrs older than bertie..mark
grandson helped make film,to be after qmum died as she asked.. ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Feb-2011
as phylis explained to us....bits
of roads where you are life is better......5 is number for norwood
green...it was excellent fete ...but massive 734 for southall.....new
site that was jammed yesterday.......oldfacesouthall dilysand those
site..today has link just click.....works ok...lists all different crime
on day in dec 2010 etc......
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Feb-2011
mary says she knew ella nickson
born 1938.. sisters .ann pauline ...lived with dad george worked
railway......just passed northcote arms..near there...will ask if she
knew ives and charlie chambers
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 2-Feb-2011
Don't want to put my foot in it
again Yvonne, but I had a Pauline Nickson in my class at Tudor road. She
lived just past the sweetshop Denbighs, further down the road from the
Northcote. I know she had sisters, and they had a grandparent living
with them.
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Feb-2011
thats lovely pauline will let her
know..we are so lucky have you..and nice memory.good that you know
remember neighbours names..lovely...you never put foot in it,,,so nice
of you always thanks..just seen dormers site huge number members
many100s..tudor good as well..40s50s 60s etc..north rd huge site such a
good school...but small number anselms shame they do not have interest
or friends there,,,,,,,,many
teachers memory dormers is gt...got in touch with couple...they had
reunion for 60s leavers nov 2010..did not know....teachers names there
we all knew.and school trips and mikado productions etc.... ... more >>
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by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 2-Feb-2011
While I was at Southall
Tech(1942-1945), an acquaintance of mine was caught early one morning
fishing in the pond with rod and line, presumably to get a golden Carp
ot two! Don't know what happened to him!
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Feb-2011
mike denis and all probably enjoy
the new HD camera film on site ...are you old facesouthall...this
week...station 21 oxford train..going west with were old loco sheds on
east left..his film junction lady marg rd south rd broadway there..but
new police figures on line he has click link there 738 crimes days at
dec 2010 southall,,norwood green 5.....and figures google say at least
£30000...£50000...grounds,,pond.
playground.and £560000so far at least to renew manor hse....new black
iron fence rails gates around padlocks so hope help protect..photos our
board..gem cinema photo of flats in it now art deco facade,and many
more..josie if it is the allemby water tower in 1950 photo from spikes
bridge....etc etc ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Feb-2011
heard from ron cox australia 1939
to 1945 tudor rd from his saxon rd..he said he went to school with one
of the hodges..so kays dad hodges70 born 1940ish.........heard from mary
owen..she said did you think to say she was known as mary..at
dormers..even thought jennifer only there 1950 to 52..........she
remembers her still tonight......mary born oct 1938...,,sheelagh,, and
rosemaryfrancis,,and brother vincent george owen..tudor rd school....good items on old face southall at moment ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Feb-2011
mary owen...cant quite think how
jennifer name and school north cote ave..came to her head....but were 37
in classes and as you say sports..names girls known.....mary worked
aeradio 50s..steve hill worked there 1970...doug gizzy our member his
mum worked there 1955/6.......mary remembers barracks orphanage being
demolished gunpowder nounds...northhyde southall lane..melitiacanteen
pub that josies uncle
jimmy neal remebers many yrs.......of cottages gregory farm became chew
gum factory..........seacadets parade ground conker trees to feed farm
self sufficiency to orphans.age 12 many got shipped off to canada
30s...seacadets parade ground out front...14 ft memorial war over 80
boys names demolished by labourers 1952,huge stone soldier sailor cross
names all gone instead of putting them on space at heston
memorial...photo of all on our photoboards...wentworth rd convent way
built there....haunting in stained glass chapel used by aeradio aviation
communications engineers offices,,then to bea...... ... more >>
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 3-Feb-2011
I passed on the message to
Jennifer about Mary Owen's name, but she still didn't remember her. She
did, however remember Ella Nickson at Tudor road school very well.
Evidently, Ella used to give my sister various lengths of lovely
coloured ribbons from time to time. Perhaps Mrs Nickson was a
dressmaker? Jennifer did say, without trying to be "big-headed", that
she was up on the stage at Tudor road
several times for winning medals for the school against other schools.
She had six at one time for the year, so perhaps that's how Mary knew
her. I don't remember her, but it doesn't mean that she didn't know us
all. ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Feb-2011
yes feel sure she would have
known the name from those stage appearances..marvellous the sport of
your sister well.done...olympics next yr will be gt on tv..stadium looks
gd.john hodges in google up came aec southall film..very good.kay said
john railway.but may be aec also..he puts comment at end film...11 may
2010,,,,built southall leyland video..in google....early computer
room..amazing interesting
there...will tell mary now of stage jennifer...ella good friend of mary
will let her know.......thanks sincere gd wishes love ytxx ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Feb-2011
yes ella nickson....father george
worked railway sister ann pauline..mum I did not type ,polite,just that
she had funny eye,,,,,also played over canal and springfield with
sylvia hoskinsgeorge and ann.....and.ann threadgill summer of
49....,,could be john hodges 70 this summer worked aec,,,,,they want
plan birth party of friends,,,mary said mauveerene gaelic irish for
darling,,,sister sheerlah irish
spell..dad my owen from wales....she has done lovely family tree to
1700s.and used ealing local hist library....sawmills mary went to james
david with soap box cart for chips wood to their fire mum not well in
bed after youngest sister born...siblings they played over there like
you 4 did..happy days.pauline ... more >>
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by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 5-Feb-2011
Last night BBC radio 2 70th aniver. concert Battle of Britain from Norhholt R.A.F bands ect.
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 5-Feb-2011
did not notice could have had
that on 8pm...presented by ken bruce raf northolt..before all new
buildings 2 new white house called entrance there now....10am they used
to practice outside there rooms by pavement rd...would have listened the
cd is a cost..about £9 or so.pity....philys went to the concert
heston..live...heston phylis lawrence giving a presentation talk hest
airport .you met him at fete.....today
denis digital free tvchannel 12.2pm onwards fighting the blue..6pm hugh
dowding...7pm women of batt britain..8 pm foreign pilots..9 pm german
bombings...thanks denis .you would have enjoyed stiring music and they
do popular modern pieces as well ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 5-Feb-2011
moaning so much ..ha..tony shut
me up..ha....here it is he says nice speakers on computer i player
free..bbc concert orchestra bttle brit film at first..then raf northolt
play..etc excellent on line 7 days free pauline len mike keith phylis
dylis and others would all enjoy,,cd is selling tesco etc..it is so good
bbc2 radiofriday night is music night4feb..thanks dennis.when they have
outdoor concert northolt it all booms out far intro churchill speech and sirens into concert..best wishesthankyou..what lovely site we have ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 5-Feb-2011
gazette today toff tyler 99 yrs
old hanwell died..conservationist etc.brentriver canal soc..etc..lived
hermitage thatch cottage where she gave piano lessons..harmitage
etc.photos our boards...........son lives greenford.husband was
publisher west ealing education charts..photos schools etc board 24
/21/25...
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 6-Feb-2011
Thanks Yvonne for the tip about
the i-player on the BBC Radio2 "70th Anniversary of the Battle of
Britain". It was great! Also thank Tony, and most of all Dennis for
telling us about it.
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Feb-2011
was so good and the chat of queen
flight helicopters ther now..g miller..vera lynn songs..dormers we had
holst planet suite each morning,assemby..mars and the others...landhope
glory .batt brit film tunes..wasps sound of those dog fights.this
morning 4 programmes women pilots 1940s.observation..my cousin watford
phoned uxb hQ from her relative in kent field...she is 97 canada now
with son...so well bound
to get card queen 100...les miserable stars was spiritual and moving by
raf...next fri night les mis...wont miss it..loved show so much and
have cassette..poetry of les mis moving.from newzealand during our night
zeta here who played spikes bridge 1940s asking xmas trees broadway ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Feb-2011
nice to see zeta new 1st time on
site..next section down here.....on google..raf in concert 70 th
annivers tour..was barbican from £15 seats...so was good to have it free
this weekend..click their music there.of tour..take it from
here..rapsody in blue..in the mood..etc ..trumpets great...the white
house big wide open gates at northolt now...is a white new building
there......303 squad.northolt.polish
pilots spoke on tv yesterday channel...cleaned 2010 since built
1949..polish war memorial...black bronze eagle and gold beak,,high so
splendid..miniature daffs full lawn at pond there fountain.....photos on
boards with 28 boards all photos ... more >>
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by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 7-Feb-2011
Thank you Pauline glad you found it enjoyable
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