The LCS
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by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 3-Dec-2013
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I passed a vehicle the other day tht just had the number plate "LCS"
and it immediately made me think of the to Co-op. What are peoples
memories of the Co-op? I believe they even had a LCS Funeral division.
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 3-Dec-2013
I remember having to wait for
ages to be served in the store in Southall Broadway when my mother gave
me a list of items she wanted. Lots of things had to be weighed in
different coloured bags, and then it had to be all added up. Sometimes
we would be given some broken biscuits from a tub in the shop. There was
always a very long queue at the back of the shop when it was dividend
day. What a long wait
that was, but lovely when we collected all the money. I can't remember
if it was actual money, or metal discs. Perhaps someone else can
remember. ... more >>
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by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 3-Dec-2013
My mothers co-op number was
270883. During WW2 we were registered with co-op butchers for our meat
ration.(We were registerd with Williams,South Road, for groceries.
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by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 3-Dec-2013
Yes I'd forgotten the tokens, very tinny they were and would probably blow away with a strong wind, very light metal.
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Dec-2013
and Williams tokens also metal shape..think branch also hanwell high st
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 4-Dec-2013
Michael, whereabouts was the Co-op Butcher? I can't place it for the life of me.
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by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 4-Dec-2013
Pauline, Co-op butchers were on the same side as the grocers, but further up the street in the Hayes direction.
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 4-Dec-2013
I had an e-mail from my niece
telling me that she was thinking about me when she was hanging her
cotton sheets on the line I bought for her wedding 39 years ago. She
said they were wearing a bit thin now, but said "How's that for
quality". I bought them from the Co-op. They were the heavy cotton ones!
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Dec-2013
that's coincidence..my aunt
bought us 2 blankets wedding..several yrs now deteriorated badly but
lasted so long..we bought nice new one .now but wow cost now ha..
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Dec-2013
just done our 2 cinemas..ealing
broadway abc forum.supposed to be new one there this yr..why was lido
one called lido..kids green swings there but 1928 new built says lido
cinema photo here.west ealing junction uxbridge
rd....http://www.ealingtoday.co.uk/default.asp?section=info&page=ealido001.htm
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by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 4-Dec-2013
Talking about quality, my 88 year
old Mum still uses blankets that she got during the war from my Uncle
Johnnie who was in the Canadaian Navy and was in UK on leave. The
blankets have 'US Navy' still printed on them.
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by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 5-Dec-2013
I see I've spelt Canadian wrongly sorry.
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by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 5-Dec-2013
Fred the blankets your mum still has are collectors items now.
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by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 5-Dec-2013
I suppose they are Dennis. The family treasures them anyway.
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 5-Dec-2013
recent time....new oak lock gates
etc put in at bentford lock..huge vehicles gt flickr photos in
google....http://www.flickr.com/photos/viktor_web_studios/sets/72157626942350881/show/
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by Zeta Stanley (Member 10256988) on 7-Dec-2013
I remember the co-op in Southall
when I had my first trip home in 1970, I told Mum I remembered her co-op
number 245598 and she said they don't used them anymore, I was so
disappointed thinking how clever I was to remember it, also I used to go
to the co-op butcher on a Saturday to collect the roast for Sunday's
dinner and it used to cost around 13 shillings and sometimes that
included sausages.
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Dec-2013
that would have been long flight
1970...I left heathrow 1970 January..new York.los
angeles..Fiji..Sydney..my cousin.went 1958 so visited for month..went
Canberra Melbourne....came home Darwin.hong kong Thailand to London..did
circle ticket..long27 hrs and storm at Fiji so we stopped stayed over
night 24 hrs los angeles because the pilot had not landed at Fiji
before....whole thing of loose day date
line..happy xmas zeta you and your family .lots best wishes for the new
yr..co op very small supermarket.grocer store still at harefield
village by Ruislip middx..not many about.. ... more >>
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by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 7-Dec-2013
Zeta-when I used to pick up our week-end joint and other items during WW2, the cost was~2/6d
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by Zeta Stanley (Member 10256988) on 7-Dec-2013
Michael you wouldn't get a
sausage for that price now, I would have been getting the meat around
1954-55, I remember it was the time when coffee shops were just coming
into vogue and I would walk back towards a shop near, I think it was
Saxton Rd, not sure of that now, and meet my friends for a coffee.
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Dec-2013
zeta.best wishes...saxon rd is
along there..parade of shops etc..northcote ave broadway to saxon
rd..Viking rd.lancaster rd.tudor rd ...ha...we had all the history..dane
rd..norman ave..all together there..ha..on the north side of the
broadway..
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 8-Dec-2013
From Northcote Avenue there was a
parade of shops to Saxon Road, big space of hoardings and empty ground,
then Dane road, Lancaster Road, next to Tudor Road. Nearly at the
bottom of Dane Road, Norman Avenue was to the right, and Viking Road led
off Norman Avenue to Spikes Bridge Road. Norman Avenue also led into
Northcote Avenue.
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by Dilys Boot (Member 10061138) on 8-Dec-2013
I remember a coffee shop along the Broadway. Around 1959-60. Had a jukebox.
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by Chris (Member 10220786) on 8-Dec-2013
Dilys could that Coffee Shop late 50's have been THE BRISTOL CAFE opposite Parker's Bakers, near to Rogers sweet shop? Chris x
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by Zeta Stanley (Member 10256988) on 9-Dec-2013
Thanks for that folks, I know the
coffee shop it was just buzzing with people whoever owned it must have
been in their glory, something new in Southall.
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by Bob Burnard (Member 10252769) on 14-Jan-2014
What was the name of the coffee bar, opposite the Odeon cinema? Used to serve coffee in Pyrex cups
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Southall
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by dennis legge (Member 10281999) on 29-Oct-2013
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Does anybody remember a Shop in Southall called Galham Electrics,I
believe the Name was made up from the 2 Partners Mr Gale and My Hamley
or Hamlyn.
I was working there in 1949 as an Electricians Mate. If I remember
rightly the Shop was between the Odeon Cinema and South Road.
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Oct-2013
1949....along by the odeon..cinema..so west side of south road.....yes there were several shops along...
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by Carol (Member 10254505) on 29-Oct-2013
Does anybody remember Le Grand Sutcliffe and Gel, The Green, Southall?
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by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 29-Oct-2013
I rember Le Grand Sutcliffe well-knew someone who worked there.
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Oct-2013
maypole margarine.quaker oats...kearley ticklers jams biscuits..crown cork.scott emulsion
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by Carol (Member 10254505) on 29-Oct-2013
My dad and 3 of his brothers
worked there. I did too for a short while in about 1963. I have a
booklet from 1960 with quite a few pictures and bits and pieces about
employees.
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by Carol (Member 10254505) on 29-Oct-2013
They did well boring for water in this country and abroad.
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by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 29-Oct-2013
I think the well boring was
done by soil samplers, Trevor Bayllis the clockwork radio man
worked for them, Le grand Sutcliffe was a foundry in the
same yard, i worked just over the wall at P.W.Dilloways.
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by Carol (Member 10254505) on 29-Oct-2013
Denis, my dad was a Foreman
Driller, the same as two of his brothers, the other brother was Works
Maintenance Foreman in the foundry. They are all in the booklet I
mentioned and all worked for Le Grands. When I worked there I typed up
the well boring reports. I think Len Doig was in charge of this
section.
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by Carol (Member 10254505) on 29-Oct-2013
I didn't know Trevor Bayliss worked there.
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Oct-2013
born 1942..chris pearson worked there carol
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Oct-2013
nice in google ..carol..
http://www.gracesguide.co.uk/Le_Grand,_Sutcliffe_and_Gell
baylis born 1937 went to dormers..1991 invented windup.clock radio..used
in Africa..worked Sutcliffe..soil mechanics lab assistant.
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by Carol (Member 10254505) on 29-Oct-2013
Re Chris Pearson - In my book
there is this:- "Welcome to 16 year old Christopher Pearson, formerly
of Gunnersbury Grammar School, as our new Junior Laboratory Assistant.
Interests: swimming an all this mechanial".
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by Carol (Member 10254505) on 29-Oct-2013
Just been reading about Chris
Pearson. Learn something every day. They had some clever people
working at Le Grand Sutcliffe & Gel didn't they?...................
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Oct-2013
glad in book
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by Carol (Member 10254505) on 29-Oct-2013
Just coincidence that he happened
to be in the issue of the book that I happen to have. Picture in it of
the Soil Mechanics Laboratory. Pictures of people just got married, get
well soon messages and of people who worked there at the time. Also
obituary of my uncle who had just died in November that year, spotlights
on certain people etc.
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Oct-2013
lovely..I worked beechams
pharmaceuticals .and products gt west rd...good firm..all given day long
induction...films..etc tour ..on the 1st day..
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by Carol (Member 10254505) on 1-Nov-2013
Is the Working Mans Club still in Southall?
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Nov-2013
yes
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Nov-2013
in google...Featherstone rd...ub2
5al.............tel 07 525 620628....on facebook also
group.................also..brit legion..nov 11 southall cenotaph
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by Carol (Member 10254505) on 1-Nov-2013
Not quite how I remember surroundings when I was a kid and used to go there. Long time ago.
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by Carol (Member 10254505) on 1-Nov-2013
Ooooh on Facebook - Ladies Night,
Race Night, Poker Night - not quite the same as I remember it - more
like wheeltappers and shunters, barn dance, gay gordons etc.
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Nov-2013
street view is good google..buildings etc....when did you last see the area....xx
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by Carol (Member 10254505) on 1-Nov-2013
Only driven Lady Margaret Road
through to Western Road, to cemeteries, couple of years ago, visiting
aunt in Marlborough Road. Seem to remember walking from Working Mens
Club to a shop that had clay pipes in window??
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Nov-2013
yes Havelock and
hortus.....wide.merrick rd new..takes lot of traffic off from south end
of railbridge now.goes east round to norwood green...........one old
pipe shop..was up by .palace cinema butlers corner top north of south rd
on west side...big shop window up there..pipes etc..
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by Carol (Member 10254505) on 1-Nov-2013
Wasn't as far away as Palace, seem to remember it was just round corner from club. Maybe memory playing tricks.
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Nov-2013
clay pipes yrs ago...yes down southall green way....what yr
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by Carol (Member 10254505) on 1-Nov-2013
Would have been about 1952-55 ish
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Nov-2013
ah...when my aunt got married at
holy trinity.......1953 kates gran got married there too auguse
reception at hambro pub hayes bridge lived bankside there and the other
side lived Clarence st Dudley rd....of kates mum carole.southall....1954
all rationing ended
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 1-Nov-2013
Carol - I remember the Working
Men's Club. My friend Mauvine and I used to go there around 1946, when
we were both 15. It was the first place we went to for dancing. When we
went there, there were a lot of nice Welsh boys there, a little bit
older than us, but we always looked older with our make up on. We always
had a good laugh with them while they were enjoying their beer! They
were staying at the Railway Hotel at the bottom of the station. They always treated us both with respect. Lovely memories. ... more >>
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by Carol (Member 10254505) on 1-Nov-2013
I used to go there with my mum
and dad. Whole family used to go, sat at same table all the time. Us
kids used to skate up and down the hall when the chalk was put down for
dancing, then told to get off when dancing began. Cousin and I used to
go into where the snooker tables were and played piano (well tried to
play). She taught me to play chopsticks very badly. Remember being
told there was a plaque in the bar with family names on but cant remember who they were or what for. ... more >>
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by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 1-Nov-2013
My G/dad was the accountant at Featherstone Road workingmens club in the 1940/50 until 1960.
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by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 1-Nov-2013
I think the shop selling clay
pipes was in the parade to the right of the Dominion, there was a shop
there that I was a I seem to remember was a tobacconists. i only
remember it because in the early 1960's they also sold plastic model
kits of American cars, some of which I still have in my loft somewhere.
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by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 1-Nov-2013
That should have said "to the left of the Dominion".
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Nov-2013
that's gt ..left of dominion..good memories both of you
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by Bill Henley (Member 10272156) on 2-Nov-2013
Ealing library have the 1915 roll
of honour but interestingly it does not have my grandfather's name
although he was at the same time listed in the roll of honour in the
gazette newspaper. It does have photographs and details of a couple of
my grandfather's mates who he mentions in his diary as being killed. The
1915 editions of the gazette also has photographs and obituaries of
soldiers mentioned by my
grandfather. There is also a roll of honour for workers at the
margarine factory. The war memorial in the grounds of what used to be St
John's church hall in Western Road near the top of Brent Road may be of
interest. I am currently researching my grandfather's WW1 history and
the mystery of where he was for the first years after he returned in
1919. I am preparing a 10 minute video for the Western Front
Association. ... more >>
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by Bob Burnard (Member 10252769) on 2-Nov-2013
Remember, the lady that used to
serve in the clay pipe shop,can see her now, believe she was the
owner.always immaculate in her dress, very aloof, and proper, and i
believe her husband.
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by thompson (Member 10241148) on 2-Nov-2013
Can anybody remember Shackelton
Hall in Greenford Ave? As a kid I can recollect them supplying meals at
lunchtime just after the war. Was it some form of community centre?
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Nov-2013
yes mr Thompson.....after the war
50s..lots wedding receptions there...we had 3...gt
parties..evenings...............mike..used the hall at war
meals..there.....
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Nov-2013
gt info...bill.......roll honour
ealing library for marg factory 1st war....and memorial old st
john..hall...if it is just stone cross as often was may not be names on
it...but photos of the 1st 2nd wars ..polished wood boards names...in
new st john..church ave...in google.....old st john king st closed many
yrs was built back in 1837.became too small.....gdad of northhyde..and
his brothers .nephew...enlisted king printers office .the king st....gt at ealing library...yes.... ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Nov-2013
bill....return 1919...images in
ancestry of bapers 1st war...1919.ending...gives info of people..where
demob etc..1919 1918 info.at the .mens.papers...60%records..destroyed
war bomb..fire..or singed..many there 40%in ancestry military section
images.pages.
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by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 2-Nov-2013
I remember Shackelton Hall well.
Originally it was a library until the new one opened in Jubilee Gardens.
During WW2 it was one of the so-called British Restaurant-cheap
lunches-I had food there a few times during the war
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Nov-2013
thanks mike library 1930s..1937
deco fine building of jubille built...couple yr ago demolished modern
glass one and health centre next to it opened...not long ago.got built
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 2-Nov-2013
I also had a few meals during the
war at Shackleton Hall when we were all split up as a family when my
mum was ill. I couldn't remember where it was that I went until I asked
on Southall Knowhere some time ago!
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by Carol (Member 10254505) on 2-Nov-2013
Does anybody remember the Greenford Hotel just by the Iron Bridge?
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 2-Nov-2013
Yes, of course I remember it. It
was a landmark by the side of the Iron Bridge for years when we were
kids. I believe it then changed to McGinty's a stripper pub, and then
the Pig & Whistle pub before finally becoming McDonalds. I didn't
ever go into any of them though.
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by Carol (Member 10254505) on 2-Nov-2013
My uncle owned Greenford Hotel at
one time. Used to go there with mum and dad, remember the sing-songs
(all the old fashioned songs). Also went there later on to dances and
groups (remember they wouldn't have The Who cos they were too loud).
Also used to dance to The Who at The Oldfield along the Greenford Road.
Burtons in Uxbridge - Brian Poole and the Tremeloes amongst others.
Groups at White Hart and Community Centre. ... more >>
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by Lynette Ware (Member 10283192) on 2-Nov-2013
I used to go to Southall
community centre too. Also the Oldfied and Burtons. Never did go to the
Greenford Hotel. Saw the Who at community centre, a good evening out and
did not cost a lot.
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Nov-2013
lynne grenford hotel had some
changes....was disco..etc...now masdonald hamburgers....commun centre
went to se our class mate mariyln crank..ballet since 3yrs old..age 14
danced copelia there...was good...oldfield pub Greenford.closed gone
now..yes the who etc there..next along was black horse pub at canal
bridge......burtons Greenford high st...had bingo above also...Granada
ciema Greenford had pop groups.it is now Tesco supermarket...burtons southall broadway corner ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Nov-2013
white hart southall high st..Lonnie donegan etc...then .jazz there...now demolished.
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by thompson (Member 10241148) on 2-Nov-2013
Went to a friend's wedding in
Hounslow in the early 1960's and the Who were the band, but they at that
time were using another name.
Always remember that the neighbours near the church hall where the
reception was held, called the police as even then their music was loud.
I had a cousin who was taught to play the drums by Jim Marshall, Keith Moon was often in his Hanwell shop.
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Nov-2013
jim..they had big event music etc for him last yr hanwell...anniversary yr...blue plaque put on wall there for him..fame...
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Nov-2013
jim..they had big event music etc for him last yr hanwell...anniversary yr...blue plaque put on wall there for him..fame...
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Nov-2013
the who..1st name was the detours......http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Who
double above
entry..knowhere sometimes or my old computer.
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by Carol (Member 10254505) on 2-Nov-2013
Granada Greenford - saw Adam
Faith and Screaming Lord Sutch. Was at the Oldfield the night the Who
announced they were changing their name. Tom Jones also sang there.
Community Centre - Johnny Kidd and the Pirates (shaking all over), Shane
Fenton (before he became Alvin Stardust), Jet Harris & Tony Mehan,
Bee Bumble and the Stingers (who?.) Sure there were others. Good
nights, lifetime ago.
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Nov-2013
yes good ones carol..great west Middlesex
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by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 2-Nov-2013
Good old Granada, in 1963 or 64 I
saw the Stones there with the Hollies, Dave Berry, And Goldie and the
Gingerbreads, (all girl American group). Couldn't hear a thing when's
the Stones came on due to all the school girls screaming.
- Re: Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Nov-2013
and stones today..ha...with some of the others too
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by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 3-Nov-2013
Yes I remember The Who at
Community Centre and even though I enjoyed it very much I remember my
ears were ringing as I walked towards the station to get the 105 home. I
also remember very well Burtons in Uxbridge and Cliff Bennett & The
Rebel Rousers, Long John Baldry, Julie Driscoll & Rod "The Mod"
Stewart as The Steam Packet, Georgie Fame, Alan Price plus also remember
The Blue Moon Club in Hayes, what a joint that was. ... more >>
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by Lynette Ware (Member 10283192) on 3-Nov-2013
Saw the Stones at the Granada then too. I might have been one of screaming girls.
- Re: Southall
by thompson (Member 10241148) on 3-Nov-2013
Jet Harris moved to Bembridge on the Isle of Wight several years ago and lived here until his death.
Our paths crossed a few times at the Hospital, shopping and at his concerts on the Island.
I work with his first wife Carol's uncle Danny at Clifford's of Heston ,
the bakers. I never knew that Jet (Terry) also had connections with
Clarence St.
- Re: Southall
by Carol (Member 10254505) on 3-Nov-2013
What was the connection to Clarence Street?
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Nov-2013
yes..because so many people lived
Clarence st over yrs..in out of those terraced houses long street..big
families ..working locally.so many yrs..and today..double glazed .but
Clarence st..ha
- Re: Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Nov-2013
BILL ..HAVE PUT YOUR REPLY to your post end of aec item...below....1915 roll honour.etc
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by Chris (Member 10220786) on 3-Nov-2013
THOMPSON ...my friend from the
late 50's early 60's lived in Clarence street and I recall her saying
Jet Harris was related. Her name was Gloria Chandler...did you know her?
Are you still in touch. I would like to catch up with her again after
all these years Chris x
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by penny (Member 10265839) on 4-Nov-2013
Does anyone have info on Osterley
Jazz Club? We regularly used to go there on Friday nights but I can't
remember exactly where it was. All I can remember is that we were
packed in like sardines and you couldn't see across the room for a thick
blanket of cigarette smoke. A friend from Durley Road used to walk
round to me in Wentworth Road and from there we walked to Osterley.
I also remember seeing all the aforementioned pop stars at the Dominion in Southall. ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Nov-2013
denis.....home guard ministry defence .records..in google....to next
kin near kin form to apply record.
https://www.gov.uk/requests-for-personal-data-and-service-records#service-records-of-deceased-service-personnel
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Nov-2013
penny.....yes dominion demolished
1980s.art centre now....jazz in Osterley sports area
place...tentlowlane south side..field estate open area of Osterley
estate there..east end..up towards 3 bridges..windmill lane...lots talk
of cramped smoke of it..yrs ago....so..east off from..norwood green..
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Nov-2013
denis....sword beach etc dday 9.15 daily series ..rememberance week...bbc 1...daily..items on..now this week
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by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 4-Nov-2013
Hi Penny I,m sure the Osterly Jazz club was held at Osterly Rugby Club in Tentelow lane, which was behind the AEC factory.
- Re: Southall
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 4-Nov-2013
Thank you Yvonne will have a look.
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by Jean Kirby (Member 10268700) on 4-Nov-2013
Does anyone remember the Botwell
Club at Hayes I used to go there with my husband in the early 60's we
saw the Rolling Stones there just as they were about to hit the big
time. Also the Dominion Pop Concerts whilst still at school The
Shadows,Adam Faith and Billy Fury to mention a few also all the
mentioned stars at the Community Centre and Burtons at Uxbridge with my
friend Carol Dean who moved to Uxbridge from
Tachbrook Road. Happy days of growing up with lovely memories. ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Nov-2013
got a photo of burtons uxbridge
looks like it is south side..just west of the famous
pillared..covered..ancient mkt uxbridge high st..1960 still the trolley
bus going through .but now modern times bypass around the town..much of
the high st is pedestrian precinct..very atractive uxbridge
today.though..60s shadows etc etc and the hit parade.4pm.sunday
afternoons on the radio top 10.top 20.
to tape record..or get singles from woolies ... more >>
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by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 4-Nov-2013
I used to go to OJC too, and
recently tried to research it. I am amazed how little info there is to
be found. I remember we either went by a special grey old London bus
from Osterley station, or walked over the three bridges then a few
hundred yards down Tentelow Lane to where it was by the side of the
rugby club. I am perplexed that it seems to have disappeared into
oblivion and few memories or photos seem to exist ... more >>
- Re: Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Nov-2013
in google..now Osterley sports
social club.there called..ub2 4lw..tentlow south side lane..shows on
their site street view as well...tel.0208574.3774...if people took their
own photos at the time..seem not have put online..the libraries
Hounslow and ealing.uxbridge...might have photos....but they do not put
on line...
- Re: Southall
by penny (Member 10265839) on 5-Nov-2013
Hello Jean,
You mentioned Carol Dean who I remember from junior school and that made
me think of Carole Tolmie and Ann Birch. Do you know where any of them
are now?
Penny
- Re: Southall
by Jean Kirby (Member 10268700) on 5-Nov-2013
Hi Penny
It's good to hear from you again, I too remember Carole Tolmie and Ann
Birch but I am afraid that I don't know the whereabouts of any of them
except for Linda Harvey, she is in touch with Alan Woodley who now lives
in the Reading area. I lost contact with Carol Dean many years ago
when I married and moved away. There were so many children that we went
to school with I wonder what became
of them all, some others that we haven't mentioned are Stephen Barker,
Gillian Edwards, Colin Younger, Shelia Saunders, Patsy Blundell, Wendy
Sutherland, Alfred Cooper, Peter Black do you remember them too. Regards
to you and your family - Jean ... more >>
- Re: Southall
by Ronald Cox (Member 10259196) on 5-Nov-2013
Jean did any of the Kirby boys go to Dormers in the 1943-47 years?
Ron
- Re: Southall
by Jean Kirby (Member 10268700) on 5-Nov-2013
Unfortunately I am unable to
answer the question that you are asking Ron, my husband lived in Hayes
and attended school there, the only other Kirby's that I know were Mark
and Stephen Kirby who were sons of a teacher at Western Road Girls
School. Mark was the older one and Stephen was in the same class as
Penny and I at Western Road Primary which would have been 1951 - 1958. I
hope that this may be of use to you.
- Re: Southall
by penny (Member 10265839) on 6-Nov-2013
Hello again Jean,
Yes, I remember all those you mentioned. It seems sad that we all went
our different ways without any more contact. Also from Western Road
Primary were Jimmie Gentsch, Paul Benson, Deirdre Grave, Barrie Mead,
Danny le Hec and Frank Chidley. I'll put my thinking cap on to see if I
can remember any more.
Best wishes
Penny
- Re: Southall
by penny (Member 10265839) on 6-Nov-2013
I should have said Deirdre Graves.
- Re: Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Nov-2013
my family of northhyde..knew the
senior chidley family of there the common southall..years 1900s .to
1928..then we met the 3 sisters again 1966 1970 yrs local..great friends
of my aunt..there was a brother or 2 also..
- Re: Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Nov-2013
barry chidley photo genes
reunited.dormers football school team .age 13ish..1957/8....his mum
worked at crown cork southall green office..........
- Re: Southall
by Jean Kirby (Member 10268700) on 6-Nov-2013
I worked at the Crown Cork in the
accounts department with Emmie Chidley who was the mother of Barrie and
Brenda she was a lovely lady and she was like the Mother figure to us
young girls who worked in the accounts with her.
They moved to the Southampton area in the late 1960's also her husband George worked at Crown Cork in the factory.
Penny I remember all those children also just remembered
Barry Buckingham, Keith Moore, Vivien Hook, Gillian Bull and Jean
Spring it's funny how these names come to mind when you think back, and
as you say it's such a shame that we have all lost touch with our
childhood. Also just remembered Kathleen Norkett. Perhaps we can find a
way to exchange email addresses privately perhaps Yvonne can help. ... more >>
- Re: Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Nov-2013
it was thegood site..friends
reunited over 10 yrs...but last couple yrs..changed so hard to
use..wrote 7 times to complain to them..one reply they said.thought
people might want......no.not true.disaster now..everybody has
complained...also.large number people put themselves on..yr 2000..many
most have gone off site...now..was a craze but now they loose interest
loyalty.just a fad........private emails.friends
reunited.the site email you to give you a comment from member
privately...crown cork is there... schools..clubs...roads neighbours
lived door number yrs....excellent format..but so badly changed people
cant use it now..undersouthall.lots were there.photos etc.. ... more >>
- Re: Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Nov-2013
denis..keith..the site is good brooklands bus museum...............http://www.londonbusmuseum.com/
- Re: Southall
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 6-Nov-2013
Thanks Yvonne have a look,
the site you gave me the other day for service records been
on it before, its £30 for a search Home Guard records very
very sketchy or nothing atall they advise not to try as £30
non returnable but thanks anyway.
- Re: Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Nov-2013
£30 is too much..shame...lots
photos buses brooklands been looking at today..they always said would
expand there.they had room grass for .more items..greenline
buses..vehicles to take to out to the plane....9.15 daily am..bbc
1.good series this week.for rememberance..lord mayor show Saturday.was
at his goldcoach in museum London last week.they have the London
Olympics display torch etc..and spoken
on here the 50s tv radio childrens shows..bill ben..muffin..andy pandy
etc.puppets etc there..loads there of 40s 50s etc...but out on the
wobbly bridge thames.st pauls and the globe..the new skyscrapers are
amazing.. ... more >>
- Re: Southall
by Chris (Member 10220786) on 6-Nov-2013
JEAN KIRBY....I also worked with
Emmie Chidley at Crown cork early 1960's in the STATS dept before she
moved upstairs to accounts; I took her job in Stats. A really lovely
lady and as you say mothered us all, so kind. I remember George too, he
ran the Social Club. I worked with Dave Davison...do you remember him?
Also do you remember Greta Edwards, such an elegant lady. I left
there in appx 1963. Can remember loads of others too. Happy days. chris xxxx ... more >>
- Re: Southall
by penny (Member 10265839) on 6-Nov-2013
Jean - also Geraldine Keith from Western Road school.
And from Wentworth Road - Colin Younger, Malcolm Stinton,Lesley Green,
Barbara Hancock, Pamela Morgan, Julia and Diane Farraly, Christopher
Foulsham, Geoffrey Edwards and Paul Hood.
- Re: Southall
by Ronald Cox (Member 10259196) on 6-Nov-2013
Thank you Jean. I thought it was worth a go.
Ron
- Re: Southall
by Jean Kirby (Member 10268700) on 6-Nov-2013
Chris - I started at Crown Cork
in 1963 probably a short while before you left, when I started in the
accounts department there was a lady I believe her name was Rosemary
although her surname eludes me at the moment, she left and Emmie Chidley
took her place. I also remember Mr Hinkes, Mr Gilbert, Mr Salmon the
cashier and Mr Lowe the Company Secretary, Ada Evans, Vicky Skuse, Ted
Drew, Pam Tillier, Helen
Smith and Bob Heatlie. It really was a great place to work and I
enjoyed my time there, I left in 1967 when I married and moved away from
the area. Do you remember any of these people. Greta was a really nice
lady she left to have a baby which if I remember rightly was a little
girl. ... more >>
- Re: Southall
by Jean Kirby (Member 10268700) on 6-Nov-2013
Hi Penny yes I remember most of
the children that you mentioned Pamaela Morgan lived next door to you,
she also worked with me in the accounts department at Crown Cork until
she had her baby, she was very young wasn't she? It was a little boy
which I believe she named Simon, did she move to the flats in Convent
Way? I think that I heard that she lived there. Also in Wentworth Road
was the Coulter family,
Frankie Boulter, Jackie Younger, Susan Claridge, my brothers friends
Roger Hall, Colin Wills, Gillian Card, Terry Hewitt, Pete Williams and
Hugh Lyle. Do you remember Mrs Fletcher's garden with all those
ornaments in? They used to fascinate me when I was small. Then there
were Robert and Brenda Stevens who lived just on the corner of Western
Road and the Common. I believe that Brenda fell in the canal and almost
drowned do you remember that? Best wishes Jean ... more >>
- Re: Southall
by Jean Kirby (Member 10268700) on 6-Nov-2013
Hi Penny yes I remember most of
the children that you mentioned Pamaela Morgan lived next door to you,
she also worked with me in the accounts department at Crown Cork until
she had her baby, she was very young wasn't she? It was a little boy
which I believe she named Simon, did she move to the flats in Convent
Way? I think that I heard that she lived there. Also in Wentworth Road
was the Coulter family,
Frankie Boulter, Jackie Younger, Susan Claridge, my brothers friends
Roger Hall, Colin Wills, Gillian Card, Terry Hewitt, Pete Williams and
Hugh Lyle. Do you remember Mrs Fletcher's garden with all those
ornaments in? They used to fascinate me when I was small. Then there
were Robert and Brenda Stevens who lived just on the corner of Western
Road and the Common. I believe that Brenda fell in the canal and almost
drowned do you remember that? Best wishes Jean ... more >>
- Re: Southall
by Jean Kirby (Member 10268700) on 6-Nov-2013
Hi Penny yes I remember most of
the children that you mentioned Pamaela Morgan lived next door to you,
she also worked with me in the accounts department at Crown Cork until
she had her baby, she was very young wasn't she? It was a little boy
which I believe she named Simon, did she move to the flats in Convent
Way? I think that I heard that she lived there. Also in Wentworth Road
was the Coulter family,
Frankie Boulter, Jackie Younger, Susan Claridge, my brothers friends
Roger Hall, Colin Wills, Gillian Card, Terry Hewitt, Pete Williams and
Hugh Lyle. Do you remember Mrs Fletcher's garden with all those
ornaments in? They used to fascinate me when I was small. Then there
were Robert and Brenda Stevens who lived just on the corner of Western
Road and the Common. I believe that Brenda fell in the canal and almost
drowned do you remember that? Best wishes Jean ... more >>
- Re: Southall
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 6-Nov-2013
Mention of the Crown Cork Company
reminds me that when I was in 1846 ATC squadron,(1943-1946) we went to
Crown Cork to use their 0.22 rifle range
- Re: Southall
by penny (Member 10265839) on 7-Nov-2013
Yes, Jean - all those names are
coming back to me now. I can vividly remember when Brenda Stevens fell
into the canal because we happened to be passing by at the time. Also, I
too was fascinated by Mrs Fletcher's garden. I remember she had lots
of whiskers!
Also more from Western Road Primary - Leslie Boulter, Billy Dunn and
Michael Harker. I wonder how many more there are that we have forgotten?
Pamela Morgan went on to have a second child, Tina, with her husband Vic
and they moved to Sompting in Sussex to be next door to Mr and Mrs
Chandler who had retired from James Walker Jewellers and more or less
adopted the whole family and helped them out a lot. ... more >>
- Re: Southall
by Janice Johnson (Member 10240407) on 7-Nov-2013
Does anyone remember where the
Salvation Army citadel was? There was a house adjoining which was empty
or almost derelict. I used to hang around with a group and being at a
loose end or the weather being bad, we sometimes went to the Sunday
School services although none of us were Salvationists. Some of the boys
in the group used to get into the house through an unsecured window
probably to get up to
mischief. My mother was shocked when a Salvationist turned up one
evening with a Bible for me, awarded for Good Attendance - she had no
idea I'd been going to the services - I was supposedly C of E! ... more >>
- Re: Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Nov-2013
the cidadel itself .was Adelaide
rd....my gdads 2 sisters were officers.living northyde. there..it
opened.early yrs....but 2 other salvation army places...down..by hayes
bridge south side..broadway..hut sunday school there I went...and mt
meads book..talks of another army place about.....they went round
northcote pub weekends every weekend yrs...war cry.mag....my aunt
brought home...
- Re: Southall
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 7-Nov-2013
There was also a Salvation Army
building at the top of Hambrough road at the end of the little Post
Office and Bakers. I think it was Hambrough road, but Ron Cox will
remember it as it was on the opposite side of Saxon road.
- Re: Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Nov-2013
seem to remember it as hut shed
type hall building south side.at pavement area. on uxbridge rd.south
side...up..by past saxon...went there several weeks sunday school..
- Re: Southall
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 7-Nov-2013
Yes, thinking about it, when I used to walk or run up Dane road to get my mother's shopping it was opposite Dane road.
- Re: Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Nov-2013
yes across from dane..south
side..broadway...is hambrough rd..with 2013.little school building now
2013..may be council land,of the old salv army hut..given over to
council for small school seems there now..south side those old
shops..further up west from along broadway..south side ..I used to walk
it..
- Re: Southall
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 7-Nov-2013
Pauline, mentioning the Salvation
Army in Hamborough Road awakens some old memories.Until I was 4 we
lived in Townsend Road,and our neighbours on one side were the Aubreys.
They were SA people. Their daughter Vera used to take me to Sunday
School in the SA place in Hamborough road. She was ~8 at that time.
Ultimately she became a GI bride!
- Re: Southall
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 7-Nov-2013
That's a lovely memory Michael.
When you think about it we, as children in that time, felt safe to be
out on our own in Southall and around. I don't think it's quite the same
nowadays. I might be wrong.
- Re: Southall
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 8-Nov-2013
You are right Pauline Southall was a super place to grow up in the 1940/50s.
- Re: Southall
by penny (Member 10265839) on 11-Nov-2013
Hi Jean,
One more name to record before I forget it again -
Roger Rosier.
- Re: Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Nov-2013
you western rd girls school
here........1967 times newspaper..13 apr..shopping lesson rowses west
ealing with mrs Kirby.your school...and store manager.mr davidge
- Re: Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Nov-2013
denis...forces war records in
google ..have also transcribed .online..home guard 2 nd war...new from
kew national archive released..info..names etc..
- Re: Southall
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 11-Nov-2013
Ok will have a look, thanks.
- Re: Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Nov-2013
in google...ytube film..blitz
London by Jason blackman..schools kids shelters buses train houses
bombed etc...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZdTv5bgGCM
- Re: Southall
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 12-Nov-2013
Thanks for that link, Yvonne
- Re: Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-Nov-2013
site back again.24 hrs
out.....memories of 1951 to 4..etc of bob Livermore on bike telegram boy
for southall post office..opposite snooker hall for
lunchbreaks..friends fred doring.joe hickley..henry Benchley.dave
Maguire..
- Re: Southall
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 13-Nov-2013
Talking about telegram boys
Yvonne reminds me that I've still got all my telegrams from family and
friends for our wedding in 1954 in Southall at Heston Church.
- Re: Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-Nov-2013
that's marvellous..how
lovely..great lych gate there for photos..several of my family photos
there.weddings ..........and back in the old days just stood there no
photos then..ha..
- Re: Southall
by Jean Kirby (Member 10268700) on 14-Nov-2013
Hi Penny Sorry about the delay
yes I remember most of the children that you have mentioned I am
beginning to run out of names now what about Martin Upton, Barry Card,
John and George (tubby) Griffiths their father was in the police Force,
Shelia Mercer, Sandra Hedley and Carole Howse. It was good to hear about
Pam Morgan we became quite good friends when she worked at Crown Cork
with me, I remember I
think, that it was Vick Anderson that she married, she was quite worried
about telling her mother when she became pregnant with Simon, I think
that I must have married and moved away by the time she had her second
child. Do you hear anything of her now? What about Hillary Scott how
is she getting on these days? I spoke to Linda earlier this week she is
keeping well also her family, I passed your good wishes on to her. Best
wishes Jean ... more >>
- Re: Southall
by Ronald Cox (Member 10259196) on 15-Nov-2013
Does any one remember the Davis
family who lived at 15 Allenby Rd. Brian is in Canada and his brother is
in Wales. I would like to make contact.
Ron
- Re: Southall
by penny (Member 10265839) on 16-Nov-2013
Hi Yvonne,
You mentioned Bob Livermore. I used to work with Ernie Livermore at the
Metal Box Company in Acton in the late 60s. Would this be the same
family?
- Re: Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Nov-2013
will try get message to bob let you know
- Re: Southall
by Dilys Boot (Member 10061138) on 16-Nov-2013
Ronald Cox,I have Brian Davis email address if you'd like to email me. He is on Facebook too.
- Re: Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Nov-2013
penny reply from..bob .Monday tues or wednesday
- Re: Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Nov-2013
Camden lock today London...remake
the lock gates..brickwork 200yrs old in good ish condition..old coins
found..project to do..waterways...gt tow path use leisure etc..tv news
bbc today..public invited..open days..tour and talk.
- Re: Southall
by Ronald Cox (Member 10259196) on 17-Nov-2013
Dilys
I have sent you my Email address through Friends Reunited.
Ron
- Re: Southall
by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 17-Nov-2013
I think Ronald, that sending an
email address via Friends Reunited is a very safe & secure way to do
it. I have pasted it into my hat for future reference.
- Re: Southall
by penny (Member 10265839) on 18-Nov-2013
Jean,
I am now struggling to put faces to the last batch of names you mention,
although the names are familiar. Haven't seen Pam and Vic for about 10
years but they seemed very settled after all those years. I shared a
flat in Ealing with Hilary for about 5 years in the late 60s/early 70s
then she moved to Aberdeen until about 10 years ago when she and her
husband John Ling moved to the Norwich area.
Haven't seen her for a long time now.
Best wishes, Penny ... more >>
- Re: Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Nov-2013
if you put their names and also
married names into the facebook slot search..many many people this last
few yrs.and back over 5yrs are on there.there are several groups and
towns of nostalgia and old friends found.it has very much taken over
from friends reunited for a long time now,quite a few yrs most people
have been on there photos chat nostalgia.local.all years
- Re: Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Nov-2013
you tube in google..1949 the pub.all there..bowls etc.....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quXBU5IqqeQ
also 1956 .looks like start of canal part hayes bridge bankside left
.etc..uxbridge rd buses etc.1956.so much there all areas..by Copley
urban council hayes Harlington you tube..in google
- Re: Southall
by Jean Kirby (Member 10268700) on 18-Nov-2013
Penny:- Gillian and Barry Card
were the grandchildren of Mrs Fletcher, Gillian was older than us and
Barry was a little younger they lived on the green between our houses,
also the Griffiths brothers lived there too, looking back I think that I
remember that Carole Howse was the niece of Mrs Mazetti, Mum said that
her mother had passed away when she was very small and Mrs Mazetti had
given them a home. I
used to play with her before we went to school I don't think she ever
went to Western Road School. I don't know what happened to her after
that. It's a pity that you no longer see Hillary, I really appreciate
the friendship that I still have with Linda it's always a good time when
we get together and recall precious childhood memories. I hope that
the little bit of information that I have given helps you remember some
of the children that I have mentioned. ... more >>
- Re: Southall
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 19-Nov-2013
Did anybody watch Its a
wonderful after life film last night, filmed in & around
Southall, Palace cinema the Glassy Junction Havalock Road ect.
with some of the cast from the Kumars at 42 TV show.
- Re: Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 19-Nov-2013
is it 42 channel tv..cant find it
in radio times or in google to get iplayer repeat on computer...42 does
the channel have a name....we only have freeview....monday18th night
2013 nov.your programme.would have liked to see it.
- Re: Southall
by Carol (Member 10254505) on 19-Nov-2013
I watched the second half of it
but didn't recognise anywhere I knew. Only watched because I saw it was
supposed to be in Southall.
- Re: Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 19-Nov-2013
do you have name of the programme time it was on..see if can find it repeat on computer
- Re: Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 19-Nov-2013
carol what was it called.what time..name number of channel..cant find it yet..thanks
- Re: Southall
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 19-Nov-2013
It's a Wonderful Afterlife
Just looked it up in the Supplement. It was on BBC1 at 11.20pm until 12.55am on Monday 18 November 2013.
I didn't see it though.
- Re: Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 19-Nov-2013
thanks Pauline will have look thanks
- Re: Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 19-Nov-2013
11.20 to 1 am.bbc1..supernatural
romance comedy.director chadha..2010 film.fantasy.indian cast.mild
horror.threats when marry off her daughter..violence drug abuse says
radio times...but yes they do film.palace cinema etc
backgrounds.southall cameras filming backgrounds..
- Re: Southall
by Carol (Member 10254505) on 19-Nov-2013
I just saw from where they were filming in the cemetery. Didn't recognise that as being in Southall and hoped that it wasn't.
- Re: Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 19-Nov-2013
street view2012 free in google
cameras take you round the areas of Havelock and hortus cemeteries..or
old front church graveyard of old st john south side king st...went
round roman exhibition..month ago..saw hortus courtyard..hortus means
garden.
- Re: Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Nov-2013
this week mayor hilingdon borough
unveiled plaque to barnes Wallace his daughter and gson there.worked at
bounce bomb early days harmondsworth lab..and national physical
laboratory plaque there..9 plaques borough Hillingdon now.ruislip lido
mayor ceremony all new there..old vinyl factory .emi hayes.boris
given.backing.. £7.7 million.project new business etc centres to start
there,now..crossrail southall
hayes..Farringdon on tv news.bore tunnel drill to be left down there
with time capsule.in concrete for new crossrail.working 2 yrs.. ... more >>
- Re: Southall
by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 26-Nov-2013
As its getting near Xmas my mind
take me back to my childhood in Southall. One of the things I remember
was going to Saturday morning Pictures at the Odeon and on the way home
calling into the Arcade which used to be along the Broadway. There was a
toy shop right at the bottom, next to an independent radio / TV repair
shop. So I,m sure Yvonne can answer this what happened to the Arcade,
and when. Can anyone
remember the shops name.I have not walked round Southall for years, I
only seem to return for sad events these days. I'm sure the Arcade was
opposite the old original Sainsbury store. ... more >>
- Re: Southall
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 26-Nov-2013
I remember the toy shop in
the arcade you mention, the arcade no longer exists as such it
has been built across with another shop.
- Re: Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Nov-2013
yes sat morn pictures odeon
50s.was very good..tanner...my cousin Charlie he bunked in with his
mates..used money for sweets..choc ice gt...but.my route was cut back
home quick short cut through north rd....my aunts 1928 to 1961..knew the
arcade well..1930s they met their local partners hubbys there..nickname
monkeys parade..
- Re: Southall
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 26-Nov-2013
Yes the Oden Saturday
mornings The sing alongs. the dot bouncing along the top of
the words as we sang, as Yvonne mentioned trying to sneak in
for free. happy days.
- Re: Southall
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 26-Nov-2013
Yes, we all remember the Odeon on
a Saturday morning. I remember it in the late 30's and 40's. All the
shouting and hollering before the film came on, boys climbing over
seats, and rocking backwards and forwards. Some seats had the straw
coming out of them! I loved it when the orgsn came on and we all started
singing the usual Odeon song. Now altogether:
We come along on Saturday morning
Greeting everybody with a smile
We come along on Saturday morning
Knowing it's well worth while
Every Saturday morning
Where do we go?
Getting into mischief Oh dear no!
We come along on Saturday morning
Greeting everybody with a smile smile smile
Greeting everybody with a smile
... more >>
- Re: Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Nov-2013
lovely memories ..denis
Pauline...yes the dot..and girls outsing boys..or left side outsing
right side...clementine....etc..if the film broke he had to splice it
but boos ..shouts ha..full hse every Saturday.cartoons western comedy
- Re: Southall
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 26-Nov-2013
Yes Flash Gordon the orginal in black & white the lone Ranger & Tonto again black & white.
- Re: Southall
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 26-Nov-2013
I loved it at the Saturday
morning pictures when the cowboys appeared in the Westerns. Was it Buck
Jones and Silver his horse? When it got a bit exciting the kids used to
shout out "Look behind you Mister" when the baddie was creeping up on
someone. Lovely memories.
- Re: Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Nov-2013
loved norm wisdom bob hope
films.....loud the cowboy ones were...my cousin used to..wow
wow.noise.home with his feather in his head..then he had cowboy gun caps
around his waist hat etc..
- Re: Southall
by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 26-Nov-2013
If memory serves me correctly the
toy shop in the Arcade was Lodges, they also owned the toy shop in the
King Street which was renamed Toy Lodge when it was sold to new owners.
They had two shops in the Arcade the main one across the bottom and one
of the other units along the side which I think was basically used for
storage.
- Re: Southall
by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 26-Nov-2013
What a memory Colin, now you
mention it I do remember the storage bit at the front. I used to look in
the window at admire all the toy soldiers they had on display. All 2nd
WW soldiers.
- Re: Southall
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 26-Nov-2013
Pauline-I also used to go to the Odeon pre-war.
The song then began:
Every Saturday morning where do we go
getting into mischief,Oh Dear No!
Have an idea Roy Couch gave us the full version a few years ago.
I remember Buck Jones,also Tim McCoy,Gene Autry.
Each week apart from the film and cartoon, there was an episode of a serial ... more >>
- Re: Southall
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 26-Nov-2013
Michael, below is what you wrote on the Saxon road thread:
Roy Couch has reminded me of the Odeon song from our day(pre WW2):
Every Saturday morning where do we go,
Getting into mischief oh dear no,
To the Mickey Mouse club with our badges on.
Every Saturday morning at the Odeon.
- Re: Southall
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 27-Nov-2013
Colin i still 3 books purchased from lodges King Street shop in the 1930 whit there label i in side.
- Re: Southall
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 27-Nov-2013
Pauline-thanks for the reminder. Other cowboy films were Hopalong Cassidy-played by William Boyd
- Re: Southall
by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 27-Nov-2013
My wife just informs me that the toy shop was also a dolls hospital, and the owner lived in Greenford Ave.
- Re: Southall
by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 27-Nov-2013
Tom your wife's mention of the
dolls hospital stirs a memory, I think the second shop in the arcade was
at one time the dolls hospital.
- Re: Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Nov-2013
scots wool shop in arcade..think greengrocers in there also...
- Re: Southall
by Bill Henley (Member 10272156) on 28-Nov-2013
I remember Lodges in the KIng
Street well. You could buy Meccano bits separately,lots of dinky toys
and Hornby railway. A favourite haunt. I have visited both the Havelock
Road and Hortus Cemeteries recently. The former is looking very sad with
broken monuments. My grandfather's grave is in one corner with empty
beer cans and discarded needles. Other relatives (Couch & Banyard)
are nearby. Hortus is
still being used with a large section given over to Moslem burials etc.
It is therefore not so sad looking.I was unable to find my uncle's grave
but I will try contacting the managing authority to see if they have a
record. ... more >>
- Re: Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Nov-2013
bill....Percival hse cemetery
dept ealing w5.email is also.in.the old town hall..have the record
books..say close kin.give all details...they will give you plot number
etc..map on the entry gate ..1870s opened..Havelock..names fade stones
go over..
- Re: Southall
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 28-Nov-2013
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHhuBZEZESU
It isn't Southall but a 1950's drive from Hammersmith to Kensington.
See how many old shops (and a Martins bank) you can recognise
- Re: Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Nov-2013
gt thanks..calm quiet 1950s
.martins..marshalls norvic..red buses lorries cars bikes..smart people
clothes.gentle
time..http://londonist.com/2011/08/video-driving-round-london-in-the-1950s.php
just typed in google..info up it came..
- Re: Southall
by Bill Henley (Member 10272156) on 29-Nov-2013
Does anyone know please anything
of a Uitenhage House in Shackleton Road. I have a Mrs Harry living
there in May 1915 (a Southall Gazette reference). Uitenhage is town in
South Africa. Thank you.
- Re: Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Nov-2013
free in google online..post
office directory 1914.yrs...historical directories site.....shackleton
rd..east side .only .west side not built yet..brickfields of west ave
areas Greenford ave .got built later 1928 yrs.....so..shackleton..lady
marg to north rd...the east side...........number 1.on the south side of
shackleton..was Robert Thomas warren..famous small..builder many
yrs..my gdad .uncle..nans
brother etc worked for..built up loads of areas around and
far,...opposite his house .shackleton..on the north side..was southall
brick works..next to that..number 2..is..mr Everett Harry...in
1914..they probably put a name on their house after the s Africa
town..may have been bought or rented with boar war army pension.or after
a family member killed there....boar war many fought in ..in 1900s
yrs..that name not on post office list.....so that is just the east
side...west side ..west of lady marg not built until later..much of
further lady marg areas not built till later on...nan moved in 1928..
... more >>
- Re: Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Nov-2013
free in google.online
index...find past...everitt harry age 37 living southall uxb reg
dist..born 1874 ...1911 census...lots harry family long list of them
locally..in 1911
- Re: Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Nov-2013
southall had masonic lodge those
yrs so did cape town south Africa ..of uitenhage.was masonic lodge there
also...boar war...masonic often builders..number.2 harrys house is next
door to famous southall brick works.HQ..with the brickfields
extensive..west side lady marg rd then..canal off to west....harry may
be part of the firm..or the firm..built owned house harry family lived
and called it after
.famous place like that....my family lived Heston..famous
hounslow.barracks 1800s india peacekeeping forces..etc....Heston row
labourers cottages rented called agra cottages after military.places
india..Victoria empress india..lots places got Africa india...towns..
names.locally. ... more >>
- Re: Southall
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 29-Nov-2013
I lived in North road 1933-1954,noy far from the junction with Shackleton road, but the house mentioned doesn't ring any bells.
The people I knew were the Gwythers-Mt Gwyther was a teacher at Dormers
Wells School-he had a son Dennis,who was in my class at North Road
School, and a daughter. Also there was a Mr Harris,a bookie.with a son
Teddy. The bookies office was Harris and Phelp.situated next door to Petries the chemist on the Kingsley Avenue/North Road corner ... more >>
- Re: Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Nov-2013
also on those 2 corners of
shackleton rd..east side...plough pub junction at one corner rob
dean.landlord...and on the north corner opposite..now shop..restaurant
many yrs..but 1914 was George etherington farmer....large corner land
there if southall brick company..in 1914...street view is good..today
north side numbers 34 .to 42etc going towards lady marg rd....south side
middle along is 21.....some
were masons at southall lodge..if the house was named by a mason..with
brother lodge at south Africa..there was uitenhage lodge was cape s
Africa..says google... ... more >>
- Re: Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Nov-2013
in google....also uitenhage.2009 in westbury.Wiltshire uk..uitenhage house farm..and .in east sussex...
- Re: Southall
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 29-Nov-2013
Yvonne did the brick fields
stretch from Shackelton to the Ruislip Road in the north &
from Lady Marg Road to the canal in the west side. the
reason i ask out the back of the flat were we lived there
was a long deep trench in Durdans Field long since filled in
to build the new Lady Marg school i now wonder if this
was part of the brick diggings. ... more >>
- Re: Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Nov-2013
could be ...on old maps .in
google..many yrs 1900s...durdans works...carriages carts...making..1913
eric Campbell at durdans 4 cylinder car making.iron metal works.1918 van
making walter moore at durdans..canal near....nickname for 1928
yrs.building west ave Greenford ave ..bottom end of northcote ave east
ave.....the old brickfields council estate...west of lady marg rd..west
side shackleton rd.......clayton.up
by north.canal.west edge.willowtree hayes side.going near taylor
Woodrow..brickmaking..dug out..some pond areas still there wharfs
rail..were there..London rubbish came to use as fill in..the old gravel
clay pits dug out .bricks went off canal transport......top part lady
marg was long time to start build loads houses in all directions..old
lady lived in hse near carlyle junction refused to move her hse was In
the way of road being built going north..1930s.onwards gradual slow
build.and new rds build ... more >>
- Re: Southall
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 29-Nov-2013
Thanks Yvonne will investigate.
- Re: Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Nov-2013
waxlow farm..was also huge across
the area ..between lady marg rd and mount pleasant..all across the
north middle areas ..on old.maps...later houses rds get built on all the
land across..
- Re: Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Nov-2013
above click more have told you
1914 .harry family no 2 .shackleton rd...street view ,number 7 ..number
5..up by plough pub corner...opposite is number 1.etc .on the north
side....find past free index military.boar war to 1902 ..dozen harry
surname there.at military boar war...census 1901 ..only 5 ..harry family
on local census so mr everitt harry..may be at boar war south
Africa.but1911..1914.he is
back.as.mr everitt harry.at number 2...female harry family also...he is
born 1874 37 at 1911 so 27 if south Africa war 1901..he may call hse
after it..but post office just have it as number 2..up north rd junction
end...1907 age 4 1911..everitt Seymour harry living there...a son..in
1911.. ... more >>
- Re: Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Nov-2013
Pauline....3.school full class
photos.on board15..tudor rd...june davies and joan peryer born
1930..iris cox born 1929.....3 classes .yrs there..1937 king queen photo
coronation in the classroom.ernie cox born 1930....IF OUR RON COX
RELATED>..lily davies born 1909 lived east ave..june still alive
still southall..gave the photos.
- Re: Southall
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 30-Nov-2013
Thanks Yvonne for the photos of
Tudor Road. I can't be sure, but it looks like me in the second photo in
the second row seventh to the left, next to a very small girl to my
right. I used to wear a grip in my hair. I recognised the girl in the
gingham dress with a white collar in the front, but it's the only girl I
remember. I would have been 8 yrs old in 1939, or coming up to 8, as it
was obviously taken in the summer and my arms were dark. I used to get very tanned in the summer. ... more >>
- Re: Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Nov-2013
so wonderful Pauline..will look...do you know any of the names gave you..have asked ron await reply
- Re: Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Nov-2013
have put a close up..enlarged
..2nd row....7th .going from right to left....7th going to the left.with
a crip...brunette hair..is it dark tunic..with girl bow blonde to you
right...will look again..you said small girl on the right.....joan
peryer is front row..1st girl the large size she is on right..gingham
white collar..she and june davies gave the photo..june still
southall..now today...yes 8yrs
old ..small children..war yrs.starting..8 the rough age 1939.large
class..would that be ..one more another yr and class then 11 go to
grammar or dormers...so this is yr before the last class form at tudor
rd..thanks....got western rd sch 1929 age 5/7 kids..will put on.. ... more >>
- Re: Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Nov-2013
oh you ..left of small girl..dark
hair dark tunic..so you .left of her ,grip on right..parting on the
left .at photo.with.nice cotton dress.as you say taller..age 8 yes you
look 8.1939....1937 other photo coronation class tudor rd..
- Re: Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Nov-2013
did joan in the front...go to grammar...june davies went to dormers..
- Re: Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Nov-2013
simon king off gt tv ..live in
google daily filming..birds prey red kites extinct 19 yrs farmers feed
meat..100s now 2pm feeds..high Wycombe etc....fly over harefield middx
by Ruislip..huge wing
span...http://www.simonkingwildlife.com/page/live-cams/kite-cam-968
- Re: Southall
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 30-Nov-2013
No Yvonne, I'm to the right of
the small girl with the dark tunic, and there is a smaller girl to the
right of me (if it is me) at the end of the second row.
- Re: Southall
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 30-Nov-2013
This would be in the Juniors as
we are all girls in the class, and the boys would be in their boys'
Junior school at that age.
- Re: Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Nov-2013
as you look at photo...7th from
left going right..light hair..which would make it the 2nd from the
right..dark tunic girl with board.to the left of you.in photo........or
.dark tunic small girl without board right of her.with light bow.if
you.......seems 2nd row ..then another row behind..then back row..then
girls standing back wall..lovely photo gt behaved yr 8 or so
girls..smart.
- Re: Southall
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 30-Nov-2013
Yvonne, you're really confusing
me now. Looking at the photo there are two girls in the front on their
own. The next row (the second row) there is a very little girl with dark
hair sitting up near the windows. Two girls are standing behind her
against the windows. I am sitting next to that very little girl, and
there is another smaller girl on the other side of me in a dark tunic.
Not the one holding the board though. ... more >>
- Re: Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Nov-2013
will have good look .we are off to grocery supermkt back later..gt
- Re: Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Nov-2013
yes ..got it nicely...so close up
done..board15..ok correct...left girl..very nice cotton print dress
white collar..grip hair..tallish.nice smile lovely....yes 2nd
row...looking at photo 7th from the right .going left.sitting ...so 2nd
from the left.......do you know anything of the girl front...joan
peryer...also june davies there...and cox girl..what luck..photo you you
class..yes you look about 8..what incredible luck....do you know any names..best wishes. ... more >>
- Re: Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Dec-2013
think got you in the middle of
the 3 of you now...photo...all girls..large class...age 8 were boys in a
separate class then tudor rd..1939...thanks../gt response to
photos..loved by many..general selection..very popular...rare
photos.......red kites birds prey.often spoken of..maidenhead
Windsor..Chiltern hills to harefield of ruslip..parakeets canal near
spikes bridge nest.and lime green birds everywhere
- Re: Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Dec-2013
think got you in the middle of
the 3 of you now...photo...all girls..large class...age 8 were boys in a
separate class then tudor rd..1939...thanks../gt response to
photos..loved by many..general selection..very popular...rare
photos.......red kites birds prey.often spoken of..maidenhead
Windsor..Chiltern hills to harefield of ruslip..parakeets canal near
spikes bridge nest.and lime green birds everywhere
- Re: Southall
by Ronald Cox (Member 10259196) on 1-Dec-2013
A great photo but not of my family.
- Re: Southall
by Ronald Cox (Member 10259196) on 1-Dec-2013
I am trying to locate John Davis,Dormers 1943-47.
Michael Braden may remember helping me several years ago ,with no results. If any one has info on John please let me know?
Ron
- Re: Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Dec-2013
june davies on southall school photos.born 1929yrs.....but lots people called that.....thanks ron...
- Re: Southall
by Bill Henley (Member 10272156) on 2-Dec-2013
Thank you for the information about the Harry family. I will investigate further.
- Re: Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Dec-2013
ok bill....list of harry..on
censuses..southall uxbridge reg dist living...free indexes on line and
1914 post office directory.with harry
- Re: Southall
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 2-Dec-2013
The boys at Tudor Road when they
left the Infants would go to a separate building and a separate
playground from the girls. We didn't mix at all. In my brother David's
autobiography, he mentions leaving his Infant class at 7 years old to
move to the Junior school. He said he was particularly sad about it as
he had formed a friendship with a little girl called Joan Stocker, and
he wouldn't see her again in class! I think there was a family of Stockers living in Spikes Bridge road. ... more >>
- Re: Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Dec-2013
that's why you age 8 in girl
class...juniors separated.age 7.to 11...then grammar or dormers age
11...infants 5 to 7yrs old.mixed class.at.tudor rd.......1954 dormers
primary mixed classes age 5 to 11 ..then separated..yr11 onwards
seniors...couple of days ..classrooms full of pupils photos and the
fastest quickest viewing amazing how many people enjoying..trying to
find face might know..such rare luck you have you..1939...how incredibly lucky is that...2013.and the luck..so pleased ... more >>
- Re: Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Dec-2013
joan is nice in free index in
google...1936 born southall reg dist uxb......married 1959.reg dist
ealing london w5..as was for southall.TO MR EVANS.......the only
other..is joan.marry 1955harrow reg dist..to newman
- Re: Southall
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 3-Dec-2013
Thank you for that Yvonne.I still can't believe it.
- Re: Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Dec-2013
lovely...yes about time she would
marry........glad you like luck of photo....you look so nice.hope your
sister and sisterinlaw like it and your children grandchildren
do.................1939.and terrible day sept when you dad got you back
from play when siren went.................the only deaths of joan
evans.her married name.born 1936....are...Islington London
1975....Newcastle under lyme staffs
1984...and if she went back to his welsh family.......wales death 1993
Swansea...most people always married moved on..most left southall...some
stayed local.... ... more >>
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Southall
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by dennis legge (Member 10281999) on 29-Oct-2013
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Does anybody remember a Shop in Southall called Galham Electrics,I
believe the Name was made up from the 2 Partners Mr Gale7 My
Hamley/Hamlyn.
I was working there in 1949 as an Electricians Mate. If I remember
rightly the Shop was between the Odeon Cinema and South Road.
- Re: Southall
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 13-Nov-2013
I remember a cycle shop between the Odeon and South Road.
- Re: Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Nov-2013
the whole film is..good..views
scenes..whether trams southall..or London..this one 1952 yrs
..around...type in google.the elephant never forgets 1952..the trams
tribute..chat is so good with it.youtube film.free in google.
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AEC World War Tw0
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by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 20-Oct-2013
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As Yvonne is already aware I have created a PDF copy of the book
Contribution to Victory published in 1946 by the AEC, a copy of this can
be downloaded from the following website:
http://www.my-ivefamily.me.uk/AEC/
The picture of the AEC badge is corrupted but you can still click on it as per the instruction on the page.
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Oct-2013
very grateful ..lovely to read and photos..thankyou...1946
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 20-Oct-2013
What has happened to AEC is a
national disgrace. They built buses which could last for 25 years if
necessary with constant London service. Now we are importing buses
from Poland etc which often need to be replaced after 7 years service in
London. What has gone wrong in this country. "The past is a happy
place, and I want to find it again" NOT ONE of my contemporaries (all
about age 66) are happier today than we were 60 years ago when we had nothing. ... more >>
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 21-Oct-2013
I'm just glad my Dad is not
around now to see the demise of the AEC and the buses they used to build
in his lifetime. He worked on the Crankshafts for the buses at AEC,
first in Walthamstow and then moved to Southall until his retirement. I
always got the impression that it was a very heavy job, although I know
very little about it. I do know there was a great sense of pride at AEC
and the equipment they built.
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by thompson (Member 10241148) on 21-Oct-2013
I remember my family having a
copy of this book, as a kid I spent hours reading it and being proud
that the AEC from Southall paid a big part in the war effort. Thanks for
posting it on the web as I can now relive my childhood reading. I think
another book was published which had the Routemaster Bus and
the Marathon lorry.
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Oct-2013
think other..aec book...is here...in list of aec...lots of aec here in google...southall...................
http://www.bing.com/search?q=aec+book+of+bus+lorry&form=CMNTDF&pc=CMNTDF&src=IE-SearchBox
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 22-Oct-2013
Keith the AEC was bought by
Leyland for there engines as Albion was purchased for there
gearboxes, Scammall for there heavy trucks ect. As history
proved Layland motors could not make anything that was any
good & the whole lot whent to the wall.
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 22-Oct-2013
Hi all I been reading the AEC bit with interest.
As with many, my Dad worked at the AEC for years, he drove the over head
crane, where ever that was. I remember the lockout in 1972ish that the
workers found themselves having to put up with. I think they were locked
out in about June and never returned to work until 2 weeks before Xmas.
My Dad had a stroke the first week in January the following year,
which the doctors said was brought on by stress. My Dads name was
George Flynn and lived in Derwent Road. Having said that I had a few
good night in the social club after playing the AEC
At rugby. ... more >>
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Oct-2013
best wishes tom...there are very
good aec sites..in google...the socity etc...photos 1970s 1980..their
sports ground famous..southall
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 22-Oct-2013
Tom i remember some good nights in the AEC social club playing snooker in the late 1950s
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 22-Oct-2013
During WW2 we had a young lady lodger.Betty halcombe who worked at AEC. she came from Walthamstow.
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 22-Oct-2013
Tonight l learned that Scania
buses that are everywhere in London are made in a Polish factory too.
They are expected to last for 10 years maximum, I remember AECs
buses, like their Routemasters all lasted for 25 year minimum and some
for longer, AECs vehicles were perhaps too good and didn't need
replacing so often, but your comments about Leyland are spot on because
they never were built as well
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 23-Oct-2013
After the Routemasters were
replaced a lot of them gave further service in places like
Blackpool who had a number running in the town as did Pendle
in Lancashire & no doubt many other towns.
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 23-Oct-2013
Yes Denis
Years ago I was surprised to see former London AEC Routemasters running around Edinburgh, long after they'd left Ealing
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 23-Oct-2013
Have you been to the
Brooklands bus museum Keith well worth a visit, you will
remember the buses before the Routemaster the RT. Regent (AEC),
& the RTL (Leyland) the first (AEC) Regent RT no 1 built
in Southall is in there.
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 23-Oct-2013
Thank you Denis
No, I haven't been to the bus museum, and I now learn that one of the
kids in my junior school (Brentside in Hanwell) Billy Cottrell, nearly
60 years ago, spent most of his working life at AEC and was one of the
founders of the bus museum! Small world!
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Oct-2013
we went to brooklands gt whole day out...was good..... lots photos in google................http://www.londonbusmuseum.com/
and the London transport museum covent gdn excellent been twice....
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 23-Oct-2013
The Routemasters certainly do
keep on running. Six weeks ago I was on one in Halifax Nova Scotia the
tour guide called it 'an Antique Bus' well I thought to myself that must
make me an antique although I think veteran would be a better
description.
I can remember as if it was yesterday waiting in Cornwall Ave for the first Routemaster on our 105 route to take me to school.
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 24-Oct-2013
Fred i remember getting AEC
RTs from Rutland road in the 1950s just round the corner
from Cornwall Avenue did you live there.
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 24-Oct-2013
The Routemasters in pendle Lancs. were all named after the stars in Eastenders.
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Oct-2013
used the 105 often 50s
60s...dormers to Greenford high st....or dormers to broadway
southall....all weathers rain etc...still running today....into heathrow
now....boris new buses in central London now..photos of them in
google...gt weather thames London st pauls globe museum modern art the
shard etc over 18 degrees summers day stroll.today....loads thames
leisure boats......museum London..everything in there...marvellous place free,, ... more >>
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 24-Oct-2013
Denis, I lived in Manaton Cres which is off Cornwall Ave from about 1960 until Aug '66 when we migrated to Aus.
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 24-Oct-2013
I had a school friend who lived in Manaton Crescent-Tommy Hedges-but at least 15 years before 1960!
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 25-Oct-2013
Well Mr & Mrs Hedges lived
next door to us at No9 we were at No7 but their children were already
grown up as you say Michael.
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 25-Oct-2013
Thanks Fred you lived in the area after me we left Lady Marg. Road May 1960
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 25-Oct-2013
What an astonishing coincidence Fred.During WW2 Mrs Hadges was a volunterr ambulance driver. I met her a few times.
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 25-Oct-2013
Mrs. Hedges "Doing her bit"
Michael. I never knew that. The other neighbours I remember were the
Wilsons at No 13 and a boy a few years older than me, his name was Roy
Rodgers and he was stopped by the police one day (as police often do)
and asked "What's your name" and when he replied they said "Oh really,
well you can tell that to the sergeant"
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 26-Oct-2013
I went to school with Roy
Rodgers, Lady Margaret Road Junior School. We had a Mr Stead as the
sports master, who kept going off sick with malaria picked up in the far
east during the war.
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 26-Oct-2013
Tom what years where at Lady Margaret Road juniors. i remember Mr Stead.
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 26-Oct-2013
There was another teacher at
Dormers who was off often Mr Walker he was gassed in WW1
Does any remember him in the boys school.
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 26-Oct-2013
Hi Dennis I was at Lady M from
1953 to 1958 when I went to Dormers Wells. Stead was football mad, And
my only claim to fame is that I have a football medal which reads
"southall schools league runners up 1957/58". Happy happy days.
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 26-Oct-2013
Tom i was there from 1948
to 1954 Then i whent to North Road to 1956 then to Dormers
left 1958, you are only the second person on here &
friends reunited that when to Lady Margaret road school. i
dont know if you remember some of the staff Miss Edwards head
infants, Mr May head juniors. Mr Owen Miss Cowgill Mr
& Mrs Clayton ect.
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by thompson (Member 10241148) on 26-Oct-2013
I remember a teacher at Dormers
who was gassed in the WW1. He taught us history and was very slight,
frail man; but can not remember his name but he could be to whom the
reference is made.
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 26-Oct-2013
Hello again Dennis yes I remember
Mr and Mrs Clayton, and the name May rings a bell. My 2 brothers Fred
and Sid, went to Lady M Years before me, and Sid used to be friendly
with the Clayton s son. Can't remember his real name, but was always
called titchy Clayton, as he had a height issue.
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by dennis legge (Member 10281999) on 26-Oct-2013
HI;
I remember Mr Walker at Dormers Wells,I left 1948, I saw Mr Walker in
about 1956 he was living in a Flat at Medway Parade Perivale,I was sent
there to repair his ADA Washing Machine,I also remember Mr Lewis I was
in his Class when he Collapsed at his Desk,I went next Door and Fetched
Mr Double,I do not think he returned to Dormers Wells after that.
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 26-Oct-2013
Tom your brothers would at
Lady Margaret about the same time as me then, if i remember
the Claytons lived on Somerset nearly opp. Derwent Road. Mr
Walker was tallish but thin.
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 26-Oct-2013
Dennis at the time you were
mending Mr Walkers washing machine i was in his class he
could be rather bad tempered at times but when i look back
i think it was linked to hes health, when hes having a
good day he was a super teacher & would tell us about
being a gunner in WW1 were he was gassed.
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by Dilys Boot (Member 10061138) on 26-Oct-2013
My husband used to work for Ada repairing washing machines probably late 50s-early 60s.
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by dennis legge (Member 10281999) on 27-Oct-2013
Hi Dilys,
Re Mr Walkers ADA Washing Machne, the firm I worked was Pollard Ray
& Sampson,they where Electrical Wholesalers, I worked for their
Service Dept. which was based in the Greenford Road.
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 27-Oct-2013
That's right Dennis we lived in
Derwent Road, no 2 the end op Kelvin Gardens where the plane crashed,
another day I remember very well.
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 27-Oct-2013
Yes Tom i think we all remember the 2 Sept. 1958
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 27-Oct-2013
I'm 65 now and still have the
scrapbook I started the day after the crash from all the press cuttings.
like me it's now looking a bit worn around the edges.
- Re: Jonathan Oates book
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Sep-2013
family always complained of
walk...royal lane...usually visit after work...dark nights..1936 brother
pneumonia...etc...dad...peritonitis..1939...my aunt plurousy...40s 50s
approx...maternity..50s....they say it is much better lite now...loads
more buses..go there.....redlion pub.hillingdon church tower 8
bells..village green...get off 607...207 bus...but long walk.....they
always spoke complained of....
- Re: Jonathan Oates book
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Sep-2013
and gdad 1948 age 58..west ave
..worked all life but cigs...went hillingdon hosp...they said to wife
daughters.son..he hass got 3 weeks to live sent him home.died in his bed
.lung cancer..agony..bad yelling..they went up to him..often.....so
bus...no cars..few bikes yes.....
- Re: Jonathan Oates book
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Sep-2013
rare good film...youtube loads in
it.....in google....uxbridge may carnival 1922.....nans uncle over 40
yrs there owned grocer shop.....cousins .dad ...4 brothers there
publicans....marching bands..horses ponies..vehicles..lorry bad exhaust
fumes..1922 police...caps hats..clothes kids..bikes..chequers commercial
pub..flags..shops..£150 bungalows
selling.....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GMXQdMAM10
- Re: Jonathan Oates book
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 2-Sep-2013
I had a spell in Hillingdon
hospital aged 4 yrs had a cist on the back of my right leg
thought i was cancer it was removed and all clear given. I
remember trying to escape in the middle of the night so
thay put me in reins attached to the cot that was 1947
- Re: Jonathan Oates book
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Sep-2013
yes age 4..bet you
did...ha....tony myself born there...new section was opened there
1966.of the annexes..also...tall tower...built..........but.1947...only
southall hosp...Hillingdon..or and mattock lane ealing
edward7th.....mainly...
- Re: Jonathan Oates book
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 2-Sep-2013
I also visited King Edwards
as an out patients for weeks after cutting the same leg open
on an old car seat 1955.
- Re: Jonathan Oates book
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Sep-2013
oh dear......I had tonsils out king edw 7th princess elizabth ward...the famous nursery rhyme tiles there....ice cream...ha...
- Re: Jonathan Oates book
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 2-Sep-2013
I belive the nursery tiles are preserved.
- Re: Jonathan Oates book
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Sep-2013
yes lens wife was nurse she said
some went to new ealing hospital..uxbridge rd...google has it that the
rest went to museum..ironbridge..jackfield museum.tiles..by
carter...famous tiles of 1930..
- Re: Jonathan Oates book
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 2-Sep-2013
It seems we have lost David Jacobs as well as Sir David Frost this week to.
- Re: Jonathan Oates book
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Sep-2013
yes 87,,,just retired from radio 2
...2 mths ago....juke box jury etc pop tv..we had him on....74 david
frost ship..heart attack..very sad
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Bombadier Billy Wells
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by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 16-Aug-2013
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I was talking to my 89 year old father yesterday and he was telling me
about being introduced by my great uncle John to Bombadier Billy Wells
on Hanwell Golf Course in 1941. Was the Bombadier a local? I knew of
course about his efforts with the Rank Gong.
- Re: Bombadier Billy Wells
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Aug-2013
thought had heard that
nice...photo of tall big man came into my head....yes we had his photo
on flickr...died ealing...1967 age 77.....born Stepney...dad William was
musician...1887 to 167.so he was brit empire champion.1911 to
1919.boxing..photo gloves at ring...in google.....several articles
there.....loads images there....
- Re: Bombadier Billy Wells
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Aug-2013
he was in royal artillery .his
londsdale belt was on display Woolwich of them...died age 77
ealing...ashes in crypt..st mary hanwell..tall spire by golf
course....yes gong cinema man...rank.I used to work beechams by the
1970..rank corner ealing rd Brentford gt west rd....my neighbour worked
rank..gave me spools musicals films..sound tracks...sound music etc..for
my grundig tape recorder....was so
grateful to him..1965ish....1964 school trip Salzburg we were pushed
out of piazza..while they filmed...the filming..going on...at the
time....back our pages here len might have spoken of billy.....billy
wrote famous fitness etc.book...........1929.a boxing fight ... more >>
- Re: Bombadier Billy Wells
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Aug-2013
google....blue plaque on front
his hse brunner rd pitsanger lane ealing.......up be the east end of
high st pitsanger..loads trees ..lovely..quiet area...lived there 5half
yrs..by doc on corner brunner rd junction...up north walk the rd eaton
rise from haven green ealing broadway...pitsanger pk tennis cts his
local..river brent fast flow through saw kingfisher there on bank..over
hang branch...heritage blue plaques for most people now..London middx etc..
... more >>
- Re: Bombadier Billy Wells
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Aug-2013
best wishes your dad from all of
us....my southall lifetime cousin...100 next nov...but recent in Canada
with son..she gets 100 card etc from Canada and London...nice lady
- Re: Bombadier Billy Wells
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Aug-2013
JUST BACK..2 days off sent them 3
days emails..thanks knowhere for bringing it back......denis...tv
yesterday....hastings pier redo after fire £2million..take 2
yrs....Osterley was good Saturday....photos board15...............
- Re: Bombadier Billy Wells
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 18-Aug-2013
That was quite something Fred for
your 17 year old father to be introduced to Billy Wells. Also ironic
that a stone's throw from Hanwell Golf course that Billy Wells would be
buried in the crypt at Hanwell Church. Inside the north east corner of
the church there is a plaque to commemorate Bombadier Billy Wells.
- Re: Bombadier Billy Wells
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 18-Aug-2013
WE ARE BACK. yes Yvonne been
talk for sometime about restoring Hastings pier, yes missed
Osterly was out for the day but thanks.
- Re: Bombadier Billy Wells
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Aug-2013
yes we had friend hastings went
every yr and pier yes..take 2 yrs to do..looks in bad
way...........Osterley ok..reinact..days home guard they have
there...house looked gt....other sites knowhere.little
there..advertising..but...massive huge
.facebook.advertising..promotion.through.ites...2008 ..and before see
members ......they use daily...wonder if loose knowhere...after 11 yrs
this site................but
photo with each long line of nostalgia.local social
history.memories...and lots yrs now..facebook is huge...rare work they
do on London...and southall etc...local social history..credit to
them...............they do like..tick.. to each and it stays
allowed.because of huge use response........people don't feel ignored.or
wasted time..so advert promoter keeps it going..free...........but
nothing here..if knowhere go under.lost..wonder..many times this site
out for 3 days or so...struggling.......pity.credit to all those who
have contributed..pity if not poss access the archive here goes back 11
yrs.....nostalgia..but no photos...is the secret.for
success.jog.response ... more >>
- Re: Bombadier Billy Wells
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 18-Aug-2013
O Yvonne i do hope not this
site has become another home i have looked at other knowhere
pages & there dead up to ours.
- Re: Bombadier Billy Wells
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Aug-2013
yes most knowhere.....has .little..
but all peoples....they have long time been using facebook.with photos
at most comments....many extremely nice people...yes most ..people...say
it is...very much a ..part...of things..loads nostalgia.etc..incredible
info.....2008 before and definitaley since..to 2013...most many
use.....of all types..facebook specific sites..incredibly lucky..people
of ..kindness..and generosity ..and interesting........as here.over all our yrs... ... more >>
- Re: Bombadier Billy Wells
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 18-Aug-2013
Yes, I've noticed that
contributions have ceased on many Knowhere sites through lack of answers
etc, . > many not had contributions for a couple of years. I do
hope this keeps going as Southall is one of the few with regular
contributors from several different individuals. Rare on other
Knowhere town pages now.
- Re: Bombadier Billy Wells
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 19-Aug-2013
hear ....hear.
- Re: Bombadier Billy Wells
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 19-Aug-2013
Yes, many local ones such as Ealing, Perivale and Hanworth which once were active, seem to have 'died' since about 2010.
We must try to ensure this one stays active by telling more people about it.
- Re: Bombadier Billy Wells
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 19-Aug-2013
it really is
facebook..2008...onwards members..has grown huge....all
people...nostalgia..memories etc..etc...specific nice groups..of
towns..etc.photos on most comments...then many replies...jog
thoughts..by image............yr 2000..knowhere etc
millennium..computers ..huge start in chat nostalgia...but some ..have
gone off ..start craze....the 11 yrs here hope always be kept...good
info nostalgia
here...but goes off line several days..wonder
why.......facebook..members free know they loose site if not enough tick
likes or comments...so extra effort put in...they just tick if lack
time...at least people don't think..their precious generously spent
valuable time...is not wasted.....cant waste.valuable rare time..being
generous.........strictly.monitored they keep their smaller selected
sites..nice ..extremely good people.kind hearted.interesting folk..and
pictures gt.... ... more >>
- Re: Bombadier Billy Wells
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 19-Aug-2013
You are all right about other
sites. I live in Harpenden in Herts, and the Knowhere site has only 72
entries-most of them tripe!
- Re: Bombadier Billy Wells
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 19-Aug-2013
I have followed verious
towns in Lancashire the number of entrys are very poor over a
period of years thay seem to have no interest in there own
town or surrondings atall.
- Re: Bombadier Billy Wells
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 19-Aug-2013
I live in Arundel and l posted messages about the annual town meeting last year and this. Nobody posted anything in between
- Re: Bombadier Billy Wells
by Chris (Member 10220786) on 19-Aug-2013
Long live this site & the true Southallians! Chris xx I don't post much but do look in now & then.
- Re: Bombadier Billy Wells
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 19-Aug-2013
it is nice looking back...about
11 so yrs..lovely memories.....people don't think of knowhere for a long
time now.....huge sites facebook .many several of..caring people..good
sites..interesting..people just don't realise of knowhere any
more.......perhaps that's why the sites.knowhere go often often usual 3
days off..people seem to insist mainly of photos with comment visual
prod...its a shame..
- Re: Bombadier Billy Wells
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 19-Aug-2013
Well, I suppose not being born
here, and moving into Southall when I was 2 years old, I'm not a 'true
Southallian', but I do love this site, and would hate to see it go
under.
- Re: Bombadier Billy Wells
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 19-Aug-2013
yes we all love the site....so
much...hope not to loose the 11 yrs...nice comments as well..such nice
people....all different yrs of southall...all as important gt...
- Re: Bombadier Billy Wells
by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 19-Aug-2013
I expect Pauline that quite a few
of us were actually born in Hillingdon Hospital and thus went to
Southall afterwards (albeit a week later).
Yes I love this site and have no wish to go on Facebook or other sites
of that type. Don't get me wrong I love modern technology but I think
some sites are too invasive & also I don't need to know when some
starlet has broken her fingernail.
- Re: Bombadier Billy Wells
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Aug-2013
yes born Hillingdon hosp..but it
was the maternity hosp..for southall..we have the 1950s booklet of
around the years then...it if free on line....a nice read..to
1960ish..when from the old maternity annexes..new ward of maternity was
opened..sections buildings there developed....so go in labour at home
southall..dad at work southall...and down to hillingdon hospital on the
uxbridge rd bus..if possible..ha......40s
50s...........fred.many good people members have developed..closed
.monitored sites..generous valuable time team.leaders..quality not
quantity..over the last couple yrs...instant
check.monitor...and..achievements..are amazing at the ..archive
collection..from good people ..like all of
ourselves..comments..research..pictures maps .diagrams photos of all
yrs..family etc.....each town...before computers people always loved
..local.social info...library book shelves it is the most
borrowed...computers and people are doing it that way daily...with gt
kindness and intelligence.....other places on line..of as you say
fred..yes .not the need to go there belong there..read or spend any
valuable time ..with any of that.as you were saying fred..........but
chosen site quality not quantity..people..organise.restrict monitor
daily......just the chosen..specific monitored sites...exsisting for
several yrs now..achieving gt..enjoyment..daily.........so probably be
why all the knowhere sites in recent yrs.dont.........members.are also
from.schools southall .Greenford..hanwell grammar etc...dormers
feathers .western rd.........because.friends reunited .also
decline.........so they have moved.site.. ... more >>
- Re: Bombadier Billy Wells
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Aug-2013
1961 we had to go across the
field to yeading hayes from west ave southall..because the council..was
part of ..southall hayes Hillingdon uxbridge..on all my geneology
southall green northhyde...overall parish of hayes st mary register
district overall of uxbridge......new outer London...boroughs carve
up...and we were changed at yeading by the southall canal......to be
...hayes.hillingdon borough council.uxbridge
high st.civic centre built........while charter borough town of
southall 1965 yrs swept up into..ealing borough council..with hanwell
acton.greenford Northolt.perivale........so.on st bernards site now..of
old...norwood geneology.....it is ealing main general hospital....on
southall land.....ha ..shame such a carve up....my poor nan..would..have
been surprised..but died 1961.......ealing broadway the civic
centre.built.huge,, council for the borough now..about 7
towns.......ha...heathrow expansion.recent.resident voters were from the
3 big huge boroughs...Hounslow..Hillingdon.ealing.. ... more >>
- Re: Bombadier Billy Wells
by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 20-Aug-2013
These sites you are hinting at Yvonne are any of them relating to Southall?
- Re: Bombadier Billy Wells
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Aug-2013
southall...yes.....chris..and
dylis...........put about it on here several months ago.........did you
like info..fred..hanwell church also.....researched for
you...............
- Re: Bombadier Billy Wells
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 20-Aug-2013
I dont think friend reunited ever came close to to this site long may Southall Knowhere carry on.
- Re: Bombadier Billy Wells
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Aug-2013
denis yes friends was good a bit
on the schools...photos etc........but massive decline there last few
yrs........set up their own faceboo with photos...town.etc...closed
monitored sites...all the nice people.....ex pats many......so many went
big push southall 50s 60s......so ex pat contribute
hugely...nostalgia...knowing meeting friends etc...photos with
comments.....2008 and onwards increase.members
len goddard was and contributed.........finding.old friends.known
names..neighbours etc..making new ones of similar
backgrounds.....daily..contributions...several yrs now..rare
photos.......chris and dylis told us of .it...a long time ago
now.........
... more >>
- Re: Bombadier Billy Wells
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 20-Aug-2013
You are right.
Arundel Knowhere didn't get one post for a full 12 months, whereas
Arundel Facebook now gets about 20 postings every day of which 19 are
generally tripe
- Re: Bombadier Billy Wells
by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 20-Aug-2013
You may have researched Hanwell
Church for me Yvonne & for that I thank you very much but what is
the name of the site that it is on please?
Sometimes and I say this with the utmost gratitude Yvonne it's not
always clear with all the ... ... exactly what you mean. I know you do a
wonderful job for us so please don't take this the wrong way.
- Re: Bombadier Billy Wells
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Aug-2013
glad you liked hanwell
etc.......dilys chris...put details site ..on here few months ago.....in
google....ask to join...accept is easy...will get it typed for you
again...rushing so much daily...time is terrible to find
- Re: Bombadier Billy Wells
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 20-Aug-2013
It was 9th April, 2013 "Facebook" that Chris, Dilys and Colin Harris put entres on here about Facebook.
- Re: Bombadier Billy Wells
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 20-Aug-2013
Fred - Reading your question
again, all the information about Bombardier Billy Wells, including
Hanwell church and the crypt is on Google. The whole lot about him can
be accessed by tappping in "Bombadier Billy Wells." I think Yvonne did
mention Google.
- Re: Bombadier Billy Wells
by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 20-Aug-2013
Thank you Yvonne & Pauline.
- Re: Bombadier Billy Wells
by Dilys Boot (Member 10061138) on 22-Aug-2013
You need to join Facebook, and
you can keep your details private if you wish and from there join the
facebook group :are you an old face of southall: or the breakaway group
:are you a old face of southall. Some very good pictures and information
to be had on these groups.You have to get a member to suggest you but
that shouln't be a problem as a few of us on Knowhere belong to these
groups and new members
are always welcome. In fact they organised a get together at The
conservative club a couple of weeks ago although a lot of us couldn't go
because we live in different parts of the country now and of course
some are a bit to old to travel. Do join.Give it a try. If you don't
like it you can always unjoin. ... more >>
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ATC Southall
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by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 4-Aug-2013
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Dennis Sexton: A while back now you mentioned you were in the ATC. Which squadron I wonder?
1942-1946 I was in the 1846 squadron which met at Featherstone Road
School. There was also a squadron which met at Southall County(Grammar)
school.
Evidently the 1846 squadron is still thriving.
- Re: ATC Southall
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 5-Aug-2013
Michael i was in the ATC
1846 squd. Fetherstone Rd. in the mid to late 1950s. I have
posted pics of the new TA center where 1846 squd. now meets
d.sexton428 Flicker.
- Re: ATC Southall
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 5-Aug-2013
Michael when i was in 1846
squd. we me in a building on the same side as Fetherstone
Road working mens club not in the school.
- Re: ATC Southall
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 5-Aug-2013
Michael the ATC hut we met
in was nr. the corner of Dudley & Hartington roads just
looked in the AtoZ for Southall.
- Re: ATC Southall
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 5-Aug-2013
Dennis: during my time with the ATC, we went to Heston visit the RAF base(and later also the USAAF).
Some times we got a flight in a De Haviland Dominee of ~15
minutes. Aerial views of Southal and the surrounding areas were
excellent.
Later(1944) we attended Heston on Sundays for gliding lessons.
- Re: ATC Southall
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 5-Aug-2013
Michael when i travel down
Southall lane now & think of how it must have been in
WW11 all thoes aircraft types flying in & out. famous
people like (peace in our time), Sidney Cotton developed the
Sidcot flying suit he was also agent American Williamsons Photo
rece cameras his company fitted to Spitfires. Martin Baker
(ejector seats) also started
at Heston & built a few aircraft of there own design, I
belive some Heston aircraft crashed locally 1 Cranford park, 2
Osterley park, I have read that some Americn Boston bombers
where coverted to Leigh Light bostons at Heston unfotunatly after
the war in my time the only residents was some gravel pits
for the runwasy at London airport & Heston Aircraft co.
which i belive survied into the late 1960s. All thats left now
is the large hanger that is listed. ... more >>
- Re: ATC Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 5-Aug-2013
yes faous 1st big hanger there
listed....control tower 1st of its kind last to be smashed..1960s yes
talk of pits.gravel.....southall lane farms..Gregory...northhyde
farm.....canteen pub.and its cottages....to 1950s
etc....from..1800s....Hounslow barracks bottom rd by bath rd gt west
rd......barracks gunpowder was top southall lane tently lane.......in
google cranford lane etc....there off Heston airport...names
1950s 60s estate roads after all the aviation history there.....lady
late 80s now..of there said curfew ris sun pub cranford lane half way
down..war not allowed to go further....danger...her hse got bombed
rebuilt after war...1944 nans cousin hubby..direct hit buz bomb..no
corpe but 3 names on stone Heston church he 1944........he survived
somme of Kaiser but Nazi hitler got him..old man way work on bike direct
hit.she lost a good gentle hubby...there..........dad loved working
hest airport sad...close went to heathrow did not enjoy to retire.... ... more >>
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by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 5-Aug-2013
Yes i think it was what was
called a Maycreat hanger it was damaged by bombing in the
early war but was soon repaired
- Re: ATC Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Aug-2013
airport staff social club kids
xmas party me and my 3 cousins went in big hanger..magician..huge table
jellies cakes etc..party...from dad...was gt....yes big hanger kept
heritage listed...Lloyd sports club in it now...with huge golf all
around vaste area was Heston airport......gov and BA..thought for yrs to
be the London airport then heathrow chosen,,,gdads brother chucked out
of his rented cottage
1957 they were all born in 1870s....pulled down new ba..staff terraced
houses build instead.....in front of new ringway ..ba..staff
houses...there now..but airport was never built there after all....we
have photo of the old labourers cottages...brickfields gravel pit
working ..old north star pub...by it all at canal dock old oak.pub. ... more >>
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by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 6-Aug-2013
On one of our visits to Heston,
we were shown some Boston Bombers.I had a Canadian cousin wfo flew in
Boston bombers.Later he was transferred to Lancasters, and sadly killed
on a raid on Germany.
- Re: ATC Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Aug-2013
so grateful we are to the
Canadian polish usa raf..fliers.we went to Canada chap in his back
garden but not talk of his sadness war.europe....DENIS..JUST TO SAY
PHOTO OF LADY MARG REOPENED LATE sept 1939after airraid.shelters put in
around the back playground..looks like centre staircase..windows centre
tower but think around the back with 2 floors class windows either
side..centre stairs...is this
how you remember ..was playground around back..big shelter up near back
of school building there at back playground..would that be lady marg
thanks...grateful..thanks...sections 4 square windows.high .each
classroom.. ... more >>
- Re: ATC Southall
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 6-Aug-2013
Thanks Yvonne i dont recall
the shelter in the playground but it would not have been gone
long as i started at Lady Marg. Rd 1948, i remember we used
to play jacks or fives i think they were called on the
steps at the back of the toilets. What site are the pics of
Lady Marg. school 1939 on please Yvonne.
- Re: ATC Southall
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 6-Aug-2013
The playground was around the back & both sides
- Re: ATC Southall
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 6-Aug-2013
Yes Michael the Leigh light
Bostons where fitted with a large searchlight in the nose I
belive for night fighter dutys but were soon converted back
to bombers this work was carried out at Heston & Wharton
in Lancashire
- Re: ATC Southall
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 6-Aug-2013
That sould be Warton Lancasire.
- Re: ATC Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Aug-2013
DENIS.......PAIMAGES.IN
GOOGLE......ONE PHOTO.ONLY...BACK OF SCHOOL...TOWER IN THE MIDDLE GLASS
WINDOWS STAIRS UP...2 FLOORS CLASSROOM WINDOWS....EACH SIDE...........
20 SEPT 1939 REOPENED NEW SHELTER LAYED LONG.NARROW.WITH OPENING AT
SCHOOL BUILDING END.....WHERE WAS HALL DENIS IN THE MIDDLE
PERHAPS.......SAYS BACK HERE WAS PLAYGROUND 1939.....1965 PHOTO GRASSED
OVER...ANIMALS SHEEP ETC THEY HAD THERE
THOSE YRS.........................THANKS...NEXT WED THURS..7PM
BBC2..DAN SNOW.70 YR OLD SPIT BY USA PILOT.EXCAVATE ETC...N
IRELAND..ETC.. ... more >>
- Re: ATC Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Aug-2013
paimages ..came...up....in slot
type southall school 1939............let us know if you agree lady
marg.......thanks...1948 gone...lucky..dormers girls...old concrete
entrance dome..like ..icehouse..was there till 1970 then
demolished...ha....cobweb dark dank hole...yes jacks..fives..gt
game...small rubber ball..metal jacks..was gt..and cubes.plaster .nice
they were and similar game....catch on hand
etc....gt fun.....many yrs.....convertions they did lots at Heston
planes ..passenger to cargo..etc..take seats out etc......dad loved it
at Heston...but heathrow was horrid to his retire...........boac/ba.. ... more >>
- Re: ATC Southall
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 6-Aug-2013
Thanks Yvonne, yes Irish
spitfire dig everything came from the bog in good nik IrishY
army cleaned machine guns & used ammo from the dig then
fired them on an army range they functioned perfectly, buried
in peat no oxegen now rust. Its is a repeat but will watch
again.
- Re: ATC Southall
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 6-Aug-2013
I remember how the corners used to wear of the plaster cubes.
- Re: ATC Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Aug-2013
yes next week.it on....will watch
dan snow good......yes 5 stones soft plaster ...but great game balance
on back of hand....catch etc..soft small rubber ball....yo
yo...etc...hoola hoop...skates.........my cousins had dad made
stilts....
- Re: ATC Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Aug-2013
roy Bartlett of west
middx..ealing Northolt...author ..gives talks at ealing library...free
read through pages on google....here ..scroll through pages ..good read
his bk boys war...he was
local.............http://books.google.ca/books?id=Ib_WnAC8eAsC&pg=PA113&dq=lived+in+Northolt&hl=en&sa=X&ei=mVq_UfzyLevA4APpwIDoCg&ved=0CC4Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=lived%20in%20Northolt&f=false
in google you will find it.....
- Re: ATC Southall
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 7-Aug-2013
Cant get PAIMAGES to download Yvonne.
- Re: ATC Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Aug-2013
just done it...in
google..........paimages.co.uk..................it is press association
..........submit there slot type southall school 1939.........or in
google type southall school 1939........and up comes the
link...........in google try all ways ..one photo.....lady marg shelters
1939.seems......school.windows tower...............Pauline just found
.lots photos will try get on..later...time
is crazy fit jobs in...got photo.1948 Greenford high st..105 bus..1948
going windmill lane greenf to southall 1948..says on bus from
acton..would be western ave..... ... more >>
- Re: ATC Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Aug-2013
BOARD15 PAULINE 1948
GREENFORD..BUS GOING WEST..past north row of shops with..sign between
shops..to car park..which is down alley behind north row of high st
shops..going to southall from east acton..many hoover factory used
it......old bus 105 old windows .front and engine.area...adverts halls
wine...and denture product...............other is 223 very old.small bus
Ruislip areas.with double decker behind it...other trolley old bus uxbridge areas....etc there etc ... more >>
- Re: ATC Southall
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 7-Aug-2013
My dad made us all five stones
when he worked at the AEC. They were gold coloured - probably brass, and
were very heavy when they landed on your hands.
- Re: ATC Southall
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 7-Aug-2013
When I went home from Cow &
Gate Milk Depot near Western Avenue roundabout, I used to wait for a bus
there. I believe it went along the Ruislip road, down Mornington road
to Allenby road way. When I had to post letters for the firm and walk to
a post box, sometimes in the dark at 14, I used to catch a bus just
past the Red Lion. Looking at Greenford Broadway 1938 on
Southallboard15, the bus stop is there. This photo is exactly as I remember it all.
Happy memories. ... more >>
- Re: ATC Southall
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 7-Aug-2013
Yvonne just got the pic up,
certain thats not the back of Lady Marg. school at the back
were the assembly halls infants downstairs & juniors
upstairs thay ran the full length with a stairwell at each
end, there would not be room for a glazed brick tower in the
middle thats 64 yrs ago.
- Re: ATC Southall
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 7-Aug-2013
59 YRS AGO NOT 64.
- Re: ATC Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Aug-2013
you are gd denis...some say
dormers....but me thinks..no....oh my god Pauline got 1936/7 aerial
photos canal spikes pk..not built bottom houses you told us...spaces
gaps...west ave there etc....will get..for you...fantastic
photos..Britain above..in google..1937 1936
- Re: ATC Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Aug-2013
1936/7 gap spaces of to be
Berwick etc...have enlarges snipped...etc...dozen snips...sent to ron
zeta..for their excited reply...bridge looks gt...Lancaster wks
etc...lady marg pub distance...by cranleigh side...see what our friends
new Zealand oz..say of their 1950 and before memories..old aerial gt
photos..pre 1937 around yrs.....1928 nan dad there west ave...Carlyle
there of gdads brother lived hse by pk entrance....google Britain from above. ... more >>
- Re: ATC Southall
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 7-Aug-2013
Thanks Yvonne, i certainly
dont think its Dormers ether i dont think its in Southall
atall. Its funny but everyone has memorory of Tudor Rd.
fetherstone Rd. North Rd. ect but there seems very few memorys
of Lady Margaret Rd infants & juniors.
- Re: ATC Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Aug-2013
animals.lady marg..sheep
etc..1960s...they looked after some school animals there..friends
reunited school site may have some more info....memories...nice school
- Re: ATC Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Aug-2013
board 15 1937 etc spikes ..etc.etc..loads photos there...flickr.....105 bus.1948 and 223 old photo oldbus Ruislip etc...
- Re: ATC Southall
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 8-Aug-2013
Tried freinds reunited very little on there.
- Re: ATC Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Aug-2013
oh shame...such bad site now
changes..it used to be si good quick easy to use...most people who chat
of lady marg school seem to be 60s pupils...good school though....
- Re: ATC Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Aug-2013
denis ..so interesting
photo.s..spikes 1937 aerial.and lady
marg...in...google....Britain..from..air.....photos...aerial..time of
change....gt open spaces going over to more build houses.....rare photo
1948 105 bus.shops..has had loads viewing yesterday...on your denis
flickrsite link to it under comments...at your 1st photos....just click
link have put there for you..flickr15...and 11...in your comment box
under.
- Re: ATC Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Aug-2013
denis Pauline 2 gt new photos
detail new pavilion spikes...cricket training etc..high hopes sport
uk...Olympics..sport many places now new..cost loads but we get world
gold etc...board15...click link on your own denis site comment put
there.a link.opens ok.click denis see..15...and...11
- Re: ATC Southall
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 8-Aug-2013
Thanks Yvonne just got board
15 up super pics Spikes, Evelyn Grove & Lady Marg. Road
all gleaming new concrete, that must be how mum & dad
rememberd it when they moved into the flat in the late 1930s.
- Re: ATC Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Aug-2013
so pleased you get boards now
.lots viewings they had yesterday.....54 boards....yes 1937 aerial
amazing...bottom northcote ave spikes pk canal.brookside amaze
bridge....ascot .evelyn..says lady marg pub there in photos...site in
google..Britain from above ..people put blue tags on to mark.remembered
places....1920s 30s aerial photos...so
lucky.....gas..factories...canal...park....hayes etc etc...
- Re: ATC Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Aug-2013
more denis ...board15 now
- Re: ATC Southall
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 8-Aug-2013
So meny good pics i have bookmarked the boards as i get them downloaded.
- Re: ATC Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Aug-2013
good lovely...54 boards 3 yrs now of ours...
- Re: ATC Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Aug-2013
todays gazette ...Pauline...photo
bankside...terrace...shrubs along canal edge..continual queue line of
cargo barges...tarpaulin over....quite a few telegraph poles..along west
edge.....gas holder..in distance....says busy 1905 ...photo after
that..1970...came to end...kearley jam..came to end coal from Birmingham
run came to end.....article is phil Sherwood boo around hayes through
time ..often sold in
Tesco etc..£15.by amberley...photo of v2 rocket bombed out crown parade
shops flats above..uxbridge rd...eric blair taught hayes was famous
George orwell1930s..phil lived there all life...does lots on heathrow
expansion local villages regularily..meetings etc.....gazette this
week..good move at last on develop gaswks..was halted
2009..but.....agree....owners...site opposite crossrail new southall
station...site..restaurant shops..hotel..cinema..health care...primary
sch..52500sq ft space..landscape gdn.....30yrs to build.....bridges over
yeading brook and canal....by Beaconsfield ...on the plans....southall
to hayes minet park land there nature..lands..... ... more >>
- Re: ATC Southall
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 8-Aug-2013
How lovely to see a picture of
the barges with their cargo all covered with tarpaulin at Bankside canal
in 1905. This picture is still firmly in my mind as a five year old.
The canal had May trees all growing along by the towpath, but we always
had a clear view of the Shire horses and the bargees when they came to
the little bridge just opposite our house. The horses couldn't negotiate
the bridge pulling
their cargo, so they had to have their harness removed and walk along
the narrow towpath beneath the bridge while the bargee would use their
feet against the bridge to push the barge along. It was magical at night
when I was in the front bedroom as when I heard their barges come
chugging along with that chug chug chug sound, I would get out of my bed
and watch them in the dark with their little lights on. It's something I
have never forgotten. We knew they carried coal, but didn't know about
the jam. Those dear, gentle horses worked really hard, and when I read
one day that they were all shot when they were no longer needed, it
really upset me. Good to hear about the development of the gasworks. It
will certainly improve the place for everyone, but 30 years!! ... more >>
- Re: ATC Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Aug-2013
yes 30 yrs ..ha
...gazette....last week saw barge narrowboat leisure full brasses
etc..folk art...and huge ..brass...light on the front....wonderful made
lamp....so interesting to here your window see lights...yes 1909
etc..looks like may trees hawthorn..........ticklers jam tins...brent
rd..canal 1st war went...canal helped all factories cargo...and
rail...kearley took over...old jamole...they called
it...up from you south......dock into factory from canal..shoot coal to
them boil jam etc...run factory....biscuits etc....bargees still do the
run in memory..............of deceased bargees now...who did it so many
times....Paddington...run...uxbridge to Birmingham...lovely window you
had and being there so interesting...preserved terraced cottages
heritage grade listed....so special......aerial photos spike gd1937 and
2013 aug new pavilion...15board..etc..1948 bus Greenford up along side
redlion pub..old bus..good photo...men inside..workers etc...board15 ... more >>
- Re: ATC Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Aug-2013
gt youtube.....in google....canal
colour..yeading off spikes...to Kensal green..camera on front
boat.....lovely...timelapse.....easy in google find...film...
- Re: ATC Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Aug-2013
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pspqEEzHDdg
and gt uxbridge bulls bridge spikes to yeading...so lovely canal film......
- Re: ATC Southall
by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 9-Aug-2013
Just received my copy of Around
Hayes Through Time by Philip Sherwood from Amazon, can highly recommend
it; particularly as Amazon are selling it for £9.59.
- Re: ATC Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Aug-2013
good..lovely..photos in
it....Sherwood was in front row of Heston airport talk we went to..he
goes to most things...lies local..lifetime.....more photos board15
- Re: ATC Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Aug-2013
oh thought denis........so
denis..Sherwood was at the Heston talk we all went to......yes lots bks
by him many yrs gt author gt photos ..all yrs back....
- Re: ATC Southall
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 9-Aug-2013
Thanks Yvonne yes remember Heston talk i really enjoyed it.
- Re: ATC Southall
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 9-Aug-2013
Good to see the old Regent
theatre in Hayes town on Southallboard 15. We went there several times
while we were living in Hayes for a short time. Only act I remember was
"Wilson, Keppel and Betty, who used to do the famous Sand Dance. Also
nice to see the old band stand in Southall Park. I remember there was
often a band playing there on a Sunday afternoon, and the men were all
dressed in their uniforms
and hats. The new Pavilion in Spikes Bridge looks very modern, but I
still prefer our old white pavilion that we had as youngsters! ... more >>
- Re: ATC Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Aug-2013
lovely sand dance seen them
several times tv..roy castle took them off ..doing it also....lots grt
brass bands etc southall through yrs.....more gd board15 ..just
now...glad you like....start of spikes.new millions £s..training
etc..loads money going into..sport there..use the land..
- Re: ATC Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Aug-2013
Pauline....mike.....lady says was small theatre in southall park...but gone by 1950........anybody remember it...thanks......
- Re: ATC Southall
by Chris (Member 10220786) on 9-Aug-2013
Don't remember a theatre as such
Yvonne but I do recall an open stage with seating in the Rose gardens
next to the playground area (swings roundabouts etc). I was last there
in appx 1962. Special events were staged there. Local ballet school;
'pop groups of the day etc.
- Re: ATC Southall
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 9-Aug-2013
Yes i remember the small
stage in Southall park it was very near the rose garden but i
think it was a couple years after 1950 that it closed.
- Re: ATC Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Aug-2013
gt you 2 well done...yes thought
was that there into 1950 yrs...gt to hear ballet...and ..up to 1962
ish....open stage seats by swings playground...roose
garden...lovely.......ta
- Re: ATC Southall
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 10-Aug-2013
I also recall the bandstand and band of long ago,also the stage in the Rose Garden.
The V1 which fell in that area in 1944 would have not helped the stage!
This V1 also brought the ceiling down on my bed in North Road!
- Re: ATC Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Aug-2013
THANKS ,,MIKE....1944
BOMB..YES..1962 IT SEEMED TO FINISH ..OPEN STAGE IN ROSE GARDEN..CIRCLE
.rose garden..PLACE....SEATS AROUND.....BAND ETC....THANKS....1950 TIMES
AND BEFORE...THANKS...
- Re: ATC Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Aug-2013
youtube....films...in
google...good ...aec southall story.................and hayes to
southall canal.....etc slough ..Northolt etc....
- Re: ATC Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Aug-2013
and youtube film.....southall water tower......from top of gas holder the straight....
- Re: ATC Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Aug-2013
tonight...now...bbbc2 hairy
bikers...150 yrs London tube....steam..over 100yrs old
engine...shiny..train.....nostalgia wembley to Amersham.trip for 150 yrs
tube...sunny....was 3 old pence....trip is £ 30...food.....but 1910 was
buffet car....met line.......gt to see.....
- Re: ATC Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Aug-2013
Pauline,....rare photo
board15....this week gazette..new bk by Sherwood hayes...photo old
gas..old bankside house...may shrubs bushes....says how busy along
1905....long row line of barges going along....telegraph poles close all
along west bank canal there.....no cars..neat terraces old
bankside...gas holder...war bomb hayes uxb rd.demolish photo.....
- Re: ATC Southall
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 12-Aug-2013
Thanks for board 15 Yvonne i now know where the V2 came down in Hayes Crown Parade
- Re: ATC Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Aug-2013
yes that it..denis..the account
war bombing..in google...Northolt airports spits...north...then uxbridge
rd...then south hayes high st...machine gunning..fights over...Nazi
planes chase...etc...let along huge graves of emi..bombing...
hayes
- Re: ATC Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Aug-2013
1965 photo...there..... back.of
lady marg quadrangle classrooms around..seems....grass..primary...nice
big modern windows 1937/8 built possible lady marg..good windows...
- Re: ATC Southall
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 12-Aug-2013
Yes Yevonne seen pic of Lady
Margaret school not sure it is from inside the quadrangle it
is a 2 story building on all 4 sides but if my memory
serves me right it was grassed
- Re: ATC Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Aug-2013
lovely..but definitely lady
marg1965.home guard on tv..Saturday morning 17 aug..Osterley pk..reel
history programme called..Osterley home guard war..there......bbc
2...might be about 9.10 am....more links.at your flickr place have put
for you to click..opens ok.....
- Re: ATC Southall
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 12-Aug-2013
Ok thanks.
- Re: ATC Southall
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 12-Aug-2013
Thanks Yvonne for the picture of
Bankside on Southallboard15. That's the first one I've ever seen of just
the old terraced cottages before the new houses that we lived in were
built. Couldn't see anything of the bridge that was there when we were
there in the 1930's though, and there were far more May trees then.
- Re: ATC Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Aug-2013
marvellous rare photo then..1905
ish yrs...as you say old..later had new ones...also later
there..lovely..long line barges busy....countryfile bbc tv freeview.on
channel 19..lovely of canal lock etc..>
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Oct-2013
who were the 4 local ....who ...died......names......thanks.....3 aircrew but 4 on the ground
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by Carol (Member 10254505) on 27-Oct-2013
Tom - great historical interest,
keep safe for future generations. I hate the thought of old photos etc.
just being thrown away.
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 27-Oct-2013
Without getting in to loft and
finding the book to confirm, the Reid family comes to mind. There was
brother and sister, both going to Lady M School. I thing the Girl was
called Janet and the brother was known as buster, that's as I knew him
so cannot remember his proper name. Buster was in my class at Lady M
School, so was obviously the same age as me.
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Oct-2013
yes got it as carol..read......at
next link....down below....comments down there..under my
pleasant.........4 at the houses died...who were the other 3....3 air
crew died......not worry loft..shame but not to worry thanks...
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 27-Oct-2013
Right I have been into the loft and found old scrapbook. The unfortunate ones are listed as,
Carol Reid aged 11, Ronald Reid aged 10, Mrs Eliza Gibbons aged 45 and
baby son Kevin age one month. The aircrew being Capt Peter May get,
first officer Gerald Ate a, engineer Dennis Howard. Lots of pictures one
of John Leady and Charlie Stocker who were one of the first there.
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 27-Oct-2013
2nd attempt at the names, captain Peter Mayger,and Gerald Altena. I,m blaiming the predictive text on my tablet.
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Oct-2013
THANKS tom...good of you ..they said young ones...
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 27-Oct-2013
What Carol said l absolutely
agree. On Saturday mornings there is a big market near us where a lot
of people who do house clearances sell all the stuff. Lovely old
photos and family memories all thrown away, discarded for the wind and
rain to carry them away every week. It is very sad to see.
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by Carol (Member 10254505) on 28-Oct-2013
I'm really interested in
genealogy and have done loads of research on my family so any
photographs etc are of real interest to me. Had a big family in
Southall but now all gone except for one still hanging on. Family
buried in Havelock and Hortus Cemetery. Cherish every old photo I can
get hold of. See people on TV selling family war medals for a pittance.
Why?
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 28-Oct-2013
Carol becaues a lot of veterans are not well off
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 28-Oct-2013
Carol becaues a lot of veterans are not well off
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 28-Oct-2013
Carol becaues a lot of veterans are not well off, or to there relatives the money means more than the deed
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by Carol (Member 10254505) on 28-Oct-2013
Denis - I don't mean the veterans
themselves but family who are selling granddad's or great granddad's
medals. I don't think I would be selling them if I was lucky enough to
have any of my family's medals, but then we are not all the same are we?
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Oct-2013
yes ours buried
Havelock..ancestry find my past.gt free indexes in google..electoral
role.military..gdad enlisted king st office.1st war.hounslow huge
barracks..often fuselliers .most many.....2nd war dad etc army from
southall......lots photos in google..southall etc..southall green
northhyde norwood green..yrs1900s onwards..large families..several..are
still related to each other by marriage or neighbours or workmates ..back through decades southall etc...schools..etc.. ... more >>
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by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 28-Oct-2013
Yes it is a great sadness seeing
old photos strewn about the ground because there is no money in them,
and many are young men in uniform. The young today have no ideas about
war and what people went through. Some think they're clever being
able to get a few quid for granddad's medals without ANY comprehension
of what granddad went through (via being conscripted, so he had no
choice), to earn them. Many of these photos are young airmen etc, discarded and blowing in the wind around car boot sales at the end of the day. ... more >>
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by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 28-Oct-2013
Hi Yvonne, I have been trying to
find info on my Dad ref the war etc, can you give me the full web site
address, so I can have a play.
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by Carol (Member 10254505) on 28-Oct-2013
Hi Tom - I've just sent for my
dad's army records. There are forms online you can download. My
granddad was in the Grenadier Guards and there was a different address
to send for them. Got these a couple of years or so back.
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 28-Oct-2013
Carol in the past there have
been vets who have sold there Victoria Crosses to stave off
poverty. A lot of people today are more interested in money
than great deeds done by g/dad or dad its all about money in
this day & age.
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 28-Oct-2013
Tom try RAF Innsworth
Gloucestershire they keep personnel records i got my uncles
from there, or join the National Archives at Kew London it
costs just over £3 per search you can search on line happy
hunting.
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by Carol (Member 10254505) on 28-Oct-2013
Yes Denis, can understand if you
are desperate for money. My mum's brother was killed in WW1 and body
never found, just name on a memorial plaque in France and also in St
Johns in Southall. Often wonder what happened to his medal, did family
sell it? Probably. A young lad killed for apparently nothing.
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 28-Oct-2013
Like you Carol my uncle died
in WW1 RAF but where his medals whent i dont know but
certain medals were issued as a matter of course but they
get lost over a period somebody some where probably has them
wondering who your relative was. Again RAF Innsworth mite be
able to help or Kew one of them will be able to tell you
what medals were issued to him & to whom. ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Oct-2013
carol yes nans brother blown to
bits arras.1917 they send you photo of plinth..british cemetery
with.40000 names..no corpse.....we have the ..death penny 4 inch plaque
sent to all next kin from acton made....his name on it..scroll with it
..from king......on war memorial name...yes in churches..names..on....in
schools Featherstone .boys 1st 2nd war southall school.stone
.memorial..western rd now....in
plaque southall grammar names..in holy trinity parish
names.....tom....national archive kew in google....1st war 2nd
war...hayes middx had warehouse...there was fire 1942 ..bad ,,many
records gone others on line ancestry military .section..pay to see
images..blackenededges....surviving ones others lost.....2nd war Glasgow
has personnel records in google for uk.........regiments..use their
records..help..you archivist..does.....1st war fuselliers tower London
he helped me...........find my past has some records....indexes
geneology records free indexes only on line.......commonwealth war
graves free on line...and email...have all dead and
burials.....mardenhead office.......southall Havelock have 100 graves
war...Heston has 119 graves church yard war.........white stone
military......oz soldiers hospital southall.some deaths..amputee
limbs..lots photos of south rd.......in google....
etc etc ... more >>
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by Carol (Member 10254505) on 28-Oct-2013
Sure there must have been a medal
or something issued for those killed in WW1 but as you say get lost
over time. Seems easier to find records etc. for WW1 personnel but
harder for WW2. They don't even issue full records to next of kin
unless they have been dead for more than 25 years.
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 28-Oct-2013
Sorry Carol your uncle was army try Kew.
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by Carol (Member 10254505) on 28-Oct-2013
I already have a copy of his
medal card obtained from Kew, just says presumed died. Also know he
enlisted in Hounslow in 1914. From the date he died and from where his
name is on memorial, also which regiments fought where - I have found
out he was killed at the Battle of Aubers Ridge. Have book about the
battle. Think I have found out all I possibly can about him and how and
when he died. Just don't have a photo of him which I would love. Just to put on the record he lived in Hammond Road, Southall. ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Oct-2013
death penny was sent to all next
kin ..in post...those died 1st war plaque 4 inches.with name .on..and
scroll from king............british legion can help.....Hounslow
barracks since 1750...yes most local..ours were
Hounslow....fuselliers......northhyde ours...yours Hammond rd.....3
service medals to 2nd war ..pip squeak Wilfred.......papers images
service....injury pension..etc...in ancestry ..military
section 1st war ...images there....read all their papers....in google
free index...to... forces war records..1st war if 2nd also...in google
free index.... ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Oct-2013
telegram came to old rented
dwelling next kin..he died 1917.april...battle..30000 died.....entered
in little bible in pencil...no corpse..name call and dog tags if found
give names of dead.....Hounslow barracks fuseliers.were..nearly all my
family were 1st war...dad and his brother army 2nd war.........as hubbys
family also......
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 28-Oct-2013
As you say records WW1 easy
to find not WW2 my dad was home guard records non existent
very sketchy if any.
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 30-Oct-2013
Carol if your uncle has no
known grave he will be recorded on the Menine Gate near
Ypers in Belgium, not sure spelt Menine correctly.
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by Carol (Member 10254505) on 30-Oct-2013
Hi Denis - I know that his name
is on Le Touret Memorial in France, Panel 32 & 33. Pictures of
these panels are online but can't read the names. Would his name be on
the Menin Gate as well?
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by Carol (Member 10254505) on 30-Oct-2013
I know his name is on the plaque
in St Johns Church in Southall, pictures are online. Strange to think
been in the church for weddings and funerals but never knew the plaques
were there. Never even knew his name at the time. My mum was born two
years after he died in 1915 so she never knew him. He was aged 21 when
he died but another two brothers also died before she was born, both in
1916, one aged 3 and the other aged 1. ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Oct-2013
carol..we have nans brother name
on france ..bay...france commonwealt war grave photo did sent to
us...say kin..close.....maidenhead photo dept..cwg.....email..on
line....lovely photo name with alphabetical section..6 other names in
photo..with photo s of whole places there arras.........menin..no he
would not be on that..we have been to menin.....photos..names wood board
st john...in google...read
names....large board....Featherstone rd school boys men 1st war names
carved on their stone statue..in western rd now by busstop 105...by
fence pavement read names.......southall green school.boys school
1915..... ... more >>
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by Carol (Member 10254505) on 30-Oct-2013
Thanks Yvonne - yes didn't think
to send for photo where his name is recorded. I will write to them.
Seems appropriate as we are approaching Remembrance Day. Don't know
whether his name is recorded anywhere else in Southall, outside school
etc.
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Oct-2013
if he went to featherst 1915
before most boys did he will be on names stone statue....have photo of
st john board....free photo france from maidenhead photo service.cwg.
say near kin....cwg photo section..month later comes in post from
france.cwg dept ....3 photos ..southall cenotaph said not money many
names carve but boolet in ealing local hist library ealing broadway with
all names.....
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by Carol (Member 10254505) on 30-Oct-2013
OK thanks. I do have photo of
plaque inside St Johns. Thinking now that he didn't go to school in
Southall. In 1911 census age 16 he was living in Hayes. His name was
William John Feast.
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Oct-2013
1911...if you have image of the
page it gives his address....the censusman register area was called hyes
sub district of uxbridge...for southall green......in ancestry or find
past indexes....hayes uxb.......is also for southall norwood in
1911.....hayes hayes uxbridge means living in hayes itself........st
john...he and his family living in parish southall green..1915...enlist
and death.........but if
they had moved from hayes several did then...school hayes...but image
page census would give you address........index always says..sub dist
hayes of uxbridge main registrar...for southall green 1911.....southall
green was always hayes parish 1800s..1841 census...southall green hamlet
of hayes of uxbridge general district.......new.king st.. st john vicar
not there till 1858 yrs...small hamlet new church..it did not have a
church..... ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Oct-2013
le touret lots photos in google
etc......just north of my nans brother...went Portsmouth ship..to Dieppe
Boulogne...touret ..is due east..into france.....at Bethune....my nans
brother got off ship 1916..across to lens...which is south of your
touret .pas de Calais....battle.lens..then april 1917 huge battle
arras..30000 died no grave...huge memorial bays stone....his name is bay
3..royal fuselliers
from Hounslow barracks...his 2 cousins..several of them were at somme
..came home..so lucky...but he was blown to bits..bomb direct hit 1944
war off his bike age 60 going to work Heston.....Kaiser not get
him.hitler did.......so email on line maidenhead photo dept they send to
.their dept france mth later photos posted to you..say name they always
do close up .photo name and bay...say immediate kin..close direct
kin..cwg.. ... more >>
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by Carol (Member 10254505) on 30-Oct-2013
Yvonne, in 1911 he was living at
Clayton Road, Hayes and is listed as being a Machine Attendant in a
chair factory. The family moved to Southall in 1912. Thanks for help.
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Oct-2013
lovely...yes x chair famous know of it....so hayes school...gd luck
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Oct-2013
the death penny plaque would have gone to his next kin..1919/20 ish..in post....they would have got the telegram
like ours did
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by Carol (Member 10254505) on 30-Oct-2013
Sent email requesting photo.
Probably take longer with Remembrance Day coming up. Story mum told me
was that sister was cleaning front step when telegram arrived. Probably
one of older sisters kept medal. As I said, my mum was born two years
later, youngest of big family. Older sisters were having their own
children when she was born.
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Oct-2013
yes sad to get that at door.....I
have photocopy of the plaque...it goes to brother.but they have kept it
beautifully.....email attach on my computer so can enlarge it...saw
him..kings royal rifle corps...Hounslow barracks so big they had several
groups there..rifleman.21 .born 1894 young man..may 1915 about 9th
ish..number..good you have done...good luck..got mine oh 7yrs ago
ish....read of battle
arras his morning over top death..beginning of bttle..that am..barbed
wire was not gun..mowed down by machine gun......read in google...seen
photos touret in google......interesting..lens is just south of
there..bttle lens..and south .battle arras..1916 nov.1917 april......my
grandparents born around his.birth time northhyde southall..enlist was
king st...printer mr kings office.. ... more >>
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by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 30-Oct-2013
Just a thought Carol there was a
Roll of Honour printed for Southall men who served in WW1 it may be that
he appears in it. It may be worth contacting Jonathan Oates at Ealing
Library to see if they hold a copy and could check it for you.
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Oct-2013
yes put above to her already told
carol.....that yes oates has booklet all borough death include
southall.....and also civilian..list...thanks yes good thing colin....
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by Carol (Member 10254505) on 30-Oct-2013
Thanks Colin. I'm sure his name
must be on Roll of Honour being as his name is in St Johns. He was
Rifleman in the Kings Royal Rifle Corps, 2nd Bn. died 9th May 1915, age
21. Just reading again about the Battle of Aubers. Machine gunned down
going over the top, some killed before they even got off ladders.
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Oct-2013
same as our one 5.30 am..going
over top...gunned down..early...barbed wire trap everywhere...battle
arras 17apr...fuseliers..so many died..no name grave.....name on bay
..only........1917..
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 31-Oct-2013
Carol the Menin Gate is said to record all the troops with no known graves
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by Carol (Member 10254505) on 31-Oct-2013
Thanks Denis. Will investigate
more. Have ordered photo of plaque at Le Touret Memorial and asked
Ealing about Roll of Honour. Been reading again about the Aubers battle
and how this seems to have been one of the forgotten battles of WW1.
The Kings Royal Rifle Corps lost 15 officers and 248 men. Only 16 have
known graves. 11,000 men lost in one day and hardly a mention.
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 31-Oct-2013
Like you i had an uncle who
died in Nov. 1918 my dads brother he was in the RAF. i did
not know of his existence until 1998 i found out through a
friend who is interested in military history, dad never said
a word.
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by Carol (Member 10254505) on 31-Oct-2013
Only through researching family
history have I found out so much. My dad never mentioned anything that
happened when he was in the army in WW2. Have photos of him in uniform
and at work (think it's in the desert somewhere). He was in the well
boring section of the Royal Engineers. I never asked any questions, not
like I would now as there are so many questions that are now left
unanswered. Feel now that I am the only person who remembers my mum's brother who died so young. "They gave their tomorrow for our today" ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 31-Oct-2013
dad and his brother 2 nd war
army...were north Africa...through Italy......came home...uncle had
shrapnel..leg....died elderly but hospital said ..metal in him..caused
the end....denis...lots info which names.on menin gate ..in google
belgium..........says ..those who are on there.......it is clear in
google...which battles..are on there names no grave........we went to
menin gate 8 yrs ago....1st
war...figures names million.figures..massive numbers...no
grave.....france Belgium..etc.......unknown soldier abbey to
represent..royal bride bouquet goes on..we have been in there several
times... ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 31-Oct-2013
menin....ypres
.salient...battles..passchendale...names carved no grave.....last post
done...Belgium honour for their freedom...so pleased we managed to get
there once...on way to bruges holiday......then all the other memorials
france Belgium etc..no grave names .bays carved...1st
war......http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menin_Gate
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by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 31-Oct-2013
My father was injured-bullet through leg- in 1918.He was in the Rifle Brigade.His younger brother was killed in 1916 at Ypres
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 31-Oct-2013
Yes thanks Yvonne thats why i mentioned it to Carol last post 7 o/clock every night Menin fire brigade
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 31-Oct-2013
My dad was in the Royal Horse
Artillery in the first World War. Although he told us as children that
he was in France, not once did he mention the dead and the dying or
anything about the battle itself. I can only remember him saying that
all the trenches were always full up with water as it was always raining
and that all of them had dysentery. He did tell us that his elder
sister, who was an officer
in the Army was inspecting the men on the field, and he had to salute
her when she came to their trench. He also told us that one day fog
descended on him very quickly when he was riding his horse and he was
quite lost, until the horse suddenly stopped and wouldn't move. It was
only then that my dad realised the horse had found the place they both
knew, but he couldn't see it in the fog. How I wish I had learned more
about that terrible time, but then we were in the midst of WW2 then. ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 31-Oct-2013
that's interesting..so many of
the horses went and few returned...the .good book written by morpurgo we
had at shelf .good read and the gt stage show..queen popped into..at
London one night..such clever puppet work.1st war horses joey
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by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 31-Oct-2013
You are right most horses never returned the ones that were left where killed to feed the troops.
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 31-Oct-2013
couple weeks ago they spoke of
the figures on tv,,.small.% came home..get back work horses farms
etc....uk...warhorse .on tv again tnight item..lovely to see the loely
brown.horse figures clever...theatre..show.1st war
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 31-Oct-2013
There is a monument to all
the horses & mules ect. killed in wars in Park Lane
London which was the the idea of Jilly Copper.
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 31-Oct-2013
yes remember they spoke on tv of it.......pigeons were the other gt creature of wars...museum to them at..Bletchley pk hut...
- Re: AEC World War Tw0
by Bill Henley (Member 10272156) on 2-Nov-2013
Ealing library have the 1915 roll
of honour but interestingly it does not have my grandfather's name
although he was at the same time listed in the roll of honour in the
gazette newspaper. It does have photographs and details of a couple of
my grandfather's mates who he mentions in his diary as being killed. The
1915 editions of the gazette also has photographs and obituaries of
soldiers mentioned by my
grandfather. There is also a roll of honour for workers at the
margarine factory. The war memorial in the grounds of what used to be St
John's church hall in Western Road near the top of Brent Road may be of
interest. I am currently researching my grandfather's WW1 history and
the mystery of where he was for the first years after he returned in
1919. I am preparing a 10 minute video for the Western Front
Association. ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Nov-2013
bill ...brent rd junction western
rd..the tall stone war memorial.names carved..with soldier on top..my
photos has gas holder behind....we took it...it is in the fence grounds
of the new .primary school..by 105 bus stop west side.on the grass of
the new school..it was moved ffrom demolished Featherstone rd school to
there..not that many yrs ago..........................it used to be in
.Featherstone rd boys
school..names of 1st war Featherstone boys..memorial.they did...big
unveil ceremony there was..names of those school boys
died................BILL
...which one is of the grounds of old st john king st the old hall
there...is it church stone cross like many churches did for
war.....bill..........lovely info of library appreciated greatly
thanks..so much..gratitude to you.. ... more >>
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by Linda (Member 10291388) on 11-Feb-2014
Yes Jean, Wendy Sutherland is my
sister and we lived in derley road, I know she would thrilled to hear
from any of you, she can be contacted through me at
lindalovesdoulas@gmail.com. Xxx
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Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
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by JG (Member 10283035) on 17-Oct-2013
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Hi, was just wondering whether anyone had any information or pictures of what was Mount Pleasant Hospital.
Anything would be great!
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 17-Oct-2013
never seen photo of it...dilys
lived up there and remembered it being demolished..for flats....1961 nan
there....mike..was in there as child....lots people remember it 30s 40s
onwards...never heard of photo....try ealing broadway for southall
local history library...got lots photos ..email librarian mr
oates....local history bks notseen it there...fever hospital
isolation....then old peoples hospital.....etc...yrs.....behind north parade shops...south bottom end of Allendale rd...east side.... ... more >>
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 17-Oct-2013
in google 2008 now nursing
home...complex,,,120 beds...day centre in the corner...newbuildins.all
there...britton drive..mt pleasant ..north top of north
rd.........http://ezitis.myzen.co.uk/mountpleasant.html
1904 to 1990...isolation hosp..fever tb.scarlet fever......later
geriatrics...wooden huts added...new ward built add29 beds to the 50
beds....largegarden 2 gardeners.
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 17-Oct-2013
bupa.....looks very nice
large....nursing home for elderly....built on site now..nice interiors
exteriors...in google......called manor ct...original gates
though..says.....http://www.bupa.co.uk/individuals/care-homes/choosing-a-bupa-care-home/find-a-care-home/manor-court-nursing-home-southall
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 18-Oct-2013
Yes,Yvonne, I was in the hospital
during the Munich Crisis in 1935,with Scarlet Fever-the other paty was
for Diphtheria patients.
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 18-Oct-2013
I was also in the "Scarlet Fever"
hospital, as we all used to call it. The first time was in 1938 when I
was six years old. I remember my baby brother David was also in the same
ward in a cot. He was crying once and didn't stop, so I got out of bed
and cuddled him and hummed "The Skater's Waltz" to him that my parents
always did when the babies were young. The second time I went into the
hospital was when it was
suspected diphtheria, but happily it turned out not to be. This was in
1942. The windows were heavily sandbagged, and my mother, who was about
to have my sister Kathleen, came with my Aunt Isobel to see me. It was
very difficult to talk to them through the window. When it was time to
leave, my Uncle Jim, who was a taxi driver, came to pick me up and I
went home with him to my aunt in Acton. I had to stay with them for
quite a while as my mother had gone into a convalescent home after the
birth of my sister. Although they were very kind to me, I really missed
all my family, but that was war! ... more >>
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Oct-2013
that's lovely skaters walz....my
aunt had bad whooping cough as child.but luckily got over it.....baby
had menigitus died 1947 age 2.buried Havelock.....worrying times..
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 18-Oct-2013
Sorry, Munich Crisis was 1938-they put the sandbags up then.I also remember visitors talking rhrough the windiows.
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 19-Oct-2013
thanks mike that's interesting thanks
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 19-Oct-2013
the hospital
http://ezitis.myzen.co.uk/mountpleasant.html
1937 map of whole areas ...and buildings of the hospital..
http://www.antiquaprintgallery.com/middlesex-dormers-wells-mount-pleasant-southall-west-end-1937-old-map-73598-p.asp
in google.....
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 19-Oct-2013
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d3AH0-eSL4&client=mv-google&guid=&gl=US&hl=en-GB&ref=nf&app=desktop
excellent well done ytube...plays ok....Feltham..bedfont .hanworth..yrs
back.....very gd liked by many..as good film....in google..FBH these are
the days of our lives.youtube
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Oct-2013
mike...best wishes....you may
know..40s and yrs around....behind holy trinity church..park view
rd......the mansion house...ivy cottage...youth centre area.....but was
it a halfway house for the homeless waiting to get on the housing
list...run by mr blickfeidt chief chemist......our site here we did have
a lady who said she was orphaned etc..her family homeless around those
yrs..and spoke of being
there..also......ivy house has amazing history on 1894 map it is
there..abbott the famous southall firm high st he lived there......fine
houses mansions..shrubbery .shepherds haw the southall park
mansion...all on the old maps..gentry houses ..of the main.famous
coaching road uxbridge rd.. ... more >>
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Oct-2013
just used our index to our
site..google.entered it ....july 2010 entry..it was Janice ..spoke of
the grand mansion..gone now...but huge garden..the children played...yes
rest centre...one room..they had...waiting for council hse......mr
meads bk says mr blickfeidt lived ivy cottage mansion.there 1900s 1920
ish..as chief chemist for monsted margarine..........Janice....joyce
ireson remembers the rest centre.council half way house.waiting on the council list for property..families children...40s etc yrs... ... more >>
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 20-Oct-2013
I have been trying to remember the names of any of the other children-only one comes to mind-Heather Kerridge.
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Oct-2013
thanks mike
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Oct-2013
in google....index for our back
pages.......mt pleasant...1991 demolished...new old peoples home built
there.instead....august 2003 chat here back pages....1950 Purcell hse
council flats built by it....photos old hospital..bound to be at ealing
library...or they can get some from..the nursing..associations....yr
1900...to 1991...old building huts etc...photos might be with southall
norwood hospital photos....
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Oct-2013
david ward.......mike
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 20-Oct-2013
Talking about the Isolation
hospital, I'm sure I can remember some children having to go there with
Scabies! Does anyone else remember this.
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Oct-2013
lack of vit c..the war yrs also hard for fresh fruit
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 20-Oct-2013
Pauline,
When I was in the fever hospital,one boy was in a seperate room with Impetigo-other kids had a milder form
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 20-Oct-2013
Michael, both impetigo and
scabies is very contagious as you know. When I was young, they were both
regarded by other people that it was because you were dirty. My brother
brought it in, and it soon went round most of us. I got it in my hair
and had to have all my hair shaved off. When I was ready to go back to
school, I wore a pixie hat, and the girl who sat next to me brought a
letter in from her
mother asking her to be moved away from her. She was moved away, and I
didn't mind as I didn't like her any way. I can still remember her name
(although I won't publish it. She lived at the top of Dane road. ... more >>
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Oct-2013
sometimes terrible times..fear of
..not knowing..enough...so people behaving badly.........in google it
is clear on impetigo..from poor living conditions..yrs
ago..bacteria..skin..and then like so many child..complaints so very
contagious..in its active stage.......kids close together
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Oct-2013
1914....they call it..fever
hospital and sanatorium....at north rd 1914...if you are looking .under a
title in ealing library photos......only allotments by it...in
1914....let us know if you get photo...nan died there..would
likephoto...thanks
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Carol (Member 10254505) on 21-Oct-2013
My dad's sister died aged 9 of
diptheria in 1936. Her death certficate says she died in the Isolation
Hospital, Norwood. Assume it was the former Mount Pleasant Hospital,
now Manor Court Nursing Home.
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Oct-2013
yes if norwood Middlesex....norwood and southall 1936..ours died 1936.as well...sadness of those yrs........
..........norwood south London..is different.....
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Carol (Member 10254505) on 22-Oct-2013
Definitely Southall. My dad was
born in Clarence Street, one of 14 children - large families back then.
Mum was born in Hammond Road, large family as well. I was also born in
Hammond Road and went to Dormers Wells, infants at Tudor Road.
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Oct-2013
yes norwood middx then
1936....trying to find photo of the hospital..ealing library might have
one.....yes we had family..by marriage to us had 14....1900s..to
1929...babies every 2 yrs...from 18/19 married....many 1880s etc had
12..or so..ours at norwood green 1850s yrs had 12....dormers .before
1966 myself..now pulled down...dad and his sister went there when it
opened 1934....seniors.........tudor
they let you in holidays..have good look round.........kates mum from
Clarence st family...57.goldsmith..we had .ours at 83..87....yrs
1911..1908..clarence st..3pm..christening George tomorrow st james.. ... more >>
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 22-Oct-2013
Hi Carol - What years were you at
Tudor road school? I was there in the Infants from 1936 when I was
five, and then on to the Juniors. Miss Hannett was the headmistress of
the Infants school when I was there, and Miss Trent was headmistress of
the Junior school. A really lovely little school where I was very happy.
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Carol (Member 10254505) on 22-Oct-2013
Hi Pauline. I was there a bit
later than you, must have been about 1951. I lived in the prefabs and
they picked us up by coach to take us from school and then back home
again. Then went to Dormers Wells Juniors just newly built. Remember
one day I decided not to catch the coach and went home instead with
another little girl. Walking on our own at that age seems unbelievable
now. Think my mum must have been tearing her hair out when the coach arrived home and I wasn't on it. ... more >>
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Oct-2013
just about my yrs...yes walked
alone..we were 1st class dormers infants juniors..1st opened sept
54....nice right south side field..lawn for lesson on summers day
outside...maypole on grass,,nativity on stage xmas...junior s...path
down to playground little curve brick wall...handstands or ball
against....left path..to back..golflinks..wood..we went for nature
lesson..walk alone..all across the green
to prefabs ..far bit that goes across to bunny pk...8th parade.....walk
from dormers infants through 3 alleys ..opposite there to north rd..out
to west ave northcote..rd...alleys went from there to tudor sch..etc
etc ha ... more >>
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Oct-2013
burns ave was the other walk
through to dormers lane...through to Carlyle ave..spikes bridge
pk...1947 my aunt moved in prefabs when 1st built..nice gas
fridge.fitted kitchen 2 bedroom..separate toilet bathroom....back square
garden..little closed in door coal fire...living
room.............friends reunited site has pupils..teachers
listed..dormers..primary and seniors...1958ish..1960 miss morris was
head..mrs gray her secretary..parker .typing shorthand.etc etc.1970
prefabs replaced by flats..photos of faraday rd..the tall wall..dip to
row of shops.co op..sweet shop etc..still similar today.old peoples
home..built on the mound there..dr cohen..our doc.. ... more >>
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Carol (Member 10254505) on 24-Oct-2013
Mr Owen was my class teacher,
wore bicycle clips. Really liked him. We had to line up each morning
with hands outstretched for inspection, one side and then the other.
Mine were always clean but if they weren't then got smack with ruler. I
lived at second parade, Greenford Road end, not far to walk to school.
Ice skating on pond, climbing trees, drinking from stream, how did I
survive? Happy days
bunny park and golf links, all the way to Hanwell. Long walks to
Osterley Park. Brick walls and trough at entrance to prefabs, meeting
place for all the kids. Ball games, hopscotch, skipping, five stones,
two balls, marbles. What a wonderful childhood I had. ... more >>
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Lynette Ware (Member 10283192) on 24-Oct-2013
I remember Mr Owen too. I loved
living in the prefabs, Osborne Road, off of Flemming Road. Loved roller
skating, wore the rubber on the wheels out. Lived closer to the other
end of Flemming Road. Lived there till we had to move to 2nd Tower Block
and the prefabs came down. I was 17 and moved with my dad. Lived in St.
Andrews Tower till 1970
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Carol (Member 10254505) on 24-Oct-2013
Remember the brick walls
entrances from Greenford Road. Was a trough there as well presumably
supposed to be for flowers but there never was any. There was a pathway
by the side of the green going downhill, used to be great for roller
skating, my sister broke her arm going down. We moved to the flats in
Lady Margaret Road when the prefabs came down. Friend of mine moved to
flats in Norwood Green so obviously everybody moved all over the place. ... more >>
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Oct-2013
must been sad sight see prefabs
come down...mine there from 1947 when new.......greeford rd end 8th
parade by path to bunny pk...pond used for fishing today..loads
golf.......dormers primary cant remember teachers names except when
10/11,,last form teacher mrs parker did crafts embroidery silk threads
.work..lovely lady..baskets made......roller skates had....seniors they
mixed the boys with girls
easter 1967...so we had.had only female teachers...some left they did
not want merger...morris was head...dr cohen Greenford rd..by white hart
pub..which is now flats...red lion Greenford gone as well.....bunny
pk..gt use every yr...every generation since 30s...gt use ..tube bridge
walk....brent river....tall spire church...
... more >>
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Carol (Member 10254505) on 24-Oct-2013
Times sent to see Miss Morris
sitting outside office. Otherwise sent outside class to stand in
corridor and hope nobody saw you there to ask why. We had Miss Littler
for English, Miss Dwyer for what we then called arithmatic - she was so
small used to stand on tip toe. Miss Evans - nightmare. Miss Davies
for PE. Mrs Maynard for cookery. Miss Pinkney with glass eye for
French - couldn't control
class and we were sorry when she left. Cant remember name of geography
teacher or history. Remember assembly in morning when we tried to
out-sing the boys and when us girls wore our plastic hoops in skirts and
were made to take them out during assembly - bits of plastic
everywhere. ... more >>
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Oct-2013
yes skirts with net huge
petticoats..evans was evil 4 yrs put up with her.....Gabriel
geog...ellis hist...dwyer got married to cooper...English with
her...fishel sci...maynard hut did washing hankies teatowel
ironing....did cook..to gce..with lewis at in corridor class right side
on way to hall..opposite milk room..inoculation
room................lttler yes went back to ..2000 reunion..with coutts
there....was hut..music...gt assembly grand piano...LP classical
records with her had limp...rubber mats horse to get over frames at wall
hall..hockey...track field relay long jump high jump...dinner hut end
of field .lunch prayer....yes morris..table outside her office..lay
registers all there.....evans re..mad bad.evil hated kids..room.whole
day .hated everybody..sielence lessons..she never taught
anything...mute...old tweeds boot brown shoes ..retired 1966....Ofsted
would have sacked her..kids complained about her...loads memories..6 yrs
seniors dormers...foot library chambers maths,,lowe art...short
pe....jones pe...tatersell French...sewing treddle machine...Mikado etc
stage shows girls dressed as boys..teams was cavell mauve..fry
nightingale 6 teams houses...badges captain and sport white
librarian.head girl... ... more >>
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Carol (Member 10254505) on 24-Oct-2013
Yes Miss Evans was evil.
Remember sitting whole lesson in silence cos nobody could answer
question. If you did know answer you didn't put hand up anyway. Only
thing I ever learnt in her lesson was that Epiphany was on Jan 6th and
can only remember that because she spat out the word Epiphany and
showered front of class. Yes 4 years of her lessons was a nightmare.
Sent outside class once, think it
was because I couldn't answer one of her questions. Domestic Science -
learning how to make a pot of tea, pressing a pair of trousers, bit of a
joke. Yes remember the treadle sewing machine, liked dressmaking but
couldn't wait for next lesson to finish and did it at home instead. Got
into trouble for that. ... more >>
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 24-Oct-2013
Hi Carol could i ask which flats you lived in Lady Margaret road.
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Carol (Member 10254505) on 24-Oct-2013
Hi - At the top end of Lady
Margaret Road - 3 blocks - just round the corner from Taylor Woodrow.
We were in the middle block.
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Oct-2013
yes alllessons of evans...exactly
like that 60 mins silence ..one question give...no answer.......one
church going lovely pretty girl sat front row..tried to answer ..the
riddle.....no.no no....the kid chris Collins was in floods tears...4 yrs
all classes of school...stupid so called lessons like that
nothing...she had never been to teacher train college.....salary
..wasted...kids complained....Ofsted
would have sacked her.....elderly..there 50s 60s..she was there.long
yrs...her wage pkt ..for nothing...nerves of some poor kids..was after
war...not .great lives problems..and kids to put up with her as
well..she ..got her kicks from..bully kids.silence 4 yrs of
hours...money to teach nothing.......never mixed with teachers
recluse..spinster...she retired july 1966....did not want boys of 1967
merge...she was well over 60 well over..hateful person..mental disorder ... more >>
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Oct-2013
we were A stream 4 yrs....so that
is all classes of school...had that one question thing every hour...she
repeated.every class..while she leaned over the 30 kids....her bully to
every single class in school..50s..she did it and 60s..that was all she
did..complaints and nothing done..power mad .she was insane..and
nothing done...hard working teachers of curriculum...many yrs now..earn
their wages so very much
and love their kids..kids pass exams etc...evans did nothing at all for
20yrs or more..50s after war vunerable kids..she added more torment to
..lack of esteem kids..so young really.......to put up with her evil ... more >>
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Lynette Ware (Member 10283192) on 25-Oct-2013
I think the only detention I had
was a class detention from Miss Evans. She really was not a nice person.
I cannot imagine any schools putting up with a teacher like her now,
certainly not the schools that my children attended here in Canada. I
was in Nightingale house and enjoyed my time at school but was glad to
leave and earn money.
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Oct-2013
nightingale yellow I think..curie
.white.fry red..20yrs evans must have been there retired
1966.july...Ofsted.go in check schools regularily...since started 20yrs
ago..she would have been sacked as soon as she started..Dorothy morris
covered up for her .spinster gert evans the wages payed her
rent....harmful to children.antisocial to staff.she was mad..complained
about but nothing done..no teaching qualification at all..she just used it as a massive bully place and pay her rent for doing no work at all.. ... more >>
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Carol (Member 10254505) on 25-Oct-2013
I was in Darling House if memory
serves me right. Dont remember the colours. I was in netball team and
ran in relay on sports day. Remember javelin, discus, long jump, high
jump, quite enjoyed the sporty things, except hated hockey, standing
there freezing cold in goal with shin pads on not my idea of fun.
Enjoyed lots of school time but hated some of it, didn't like being told
what to do, bit stroppy
I suppose. Couldn't wait to leave school and earn money. First job at
Home Electrics in South Road in the offices(I think later Rumbelows).
There used to be a coffee shop upstairs. First wage was £4.50s.0d a
week and had to give £2 to my mum, shock had to exist on 30 bob a week,
bus fares, clothes, going out etc. etc. ... more >>
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Carol (Member 10254505) on 25-Oct-2013
Sorry that should have been £3.10s.0d. a week getting old and new money mixed up. £2 to mum and £1.10s.0d for me.
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Oct-2013
yes was that sort of money those
days..I had to pay tube fares as well..they were dear..to white
city...oxford circus also.taken from small wage pkt.....yes blue
hse...grace darling....green hse was black woman who did good works.was
it seacole..white hse curie..fry red....yes netball..out front net..or
in the square area by .toilet block.off the cloakroom, block..by the old
cobweb airraid concrete
shelter not demolished till into 1970s....discus .javelin yes .on our
back field..built on now indoor swim pool.sport leisure centre drama
etc..and new glass building..there with main entrance security.cards
swipe at..Allenby rd entrance now...... ... more >>
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Carol (Member 10254505) on 25-Oct-2013
Can only remember Grace Darling, Florence Nightingale, Edith Cavell and Marie Curie. Seacole doesn't ring any bells.
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Carol (Member 10254505) on 25-Oct-2013
Just thought - Elizabeth Fry
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Carol (Member 10254505) on 25-Oct-2013
Apparently, the other house was
Mary Slessor, but that doesn't ring any bells with me either. They
couldn't have been a very popular house haaaa
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Oct-2013
yes just found it..on our back
pages...slessor....green...she was from Aberdeen Scotland died 1915
Africa missionary...yes6 houses.........knew Africa thought of
famous..seacole with nightingale Crimean war......colour badges worn by
sports house captains..think..navy blue .darling..hazel hockley wore
good at hockey team sports captain....head girl was eliz
sach..deputy..Valerie hardman..long think
ginger hair....1963/4 new science block built....well at top corridor
6th form room new at labs..new 6th form upstairs toilet....library top
floor art block new..old huts stayed for 10 more yrs before
demolish.............. ... more >>
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Lynette Ware (Member 10283192) on 25-Oct-2013
Yes, hated hockey as well.
Remember Mrs. Short saying" you hit the ball, not jump over it." Quite
enjoyed running and long jump but not the P.E. indoors going over the
box. Carol, what was your last name at school and what years were you
there? My first job was at Thomas Claytons on Sussex Road, Southall. It
was in a old shop with outer buildings. My office was an old air raid
shelter. Great place to work they treated me very well and were very kind to me when my mum passed away. ... more >>
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Lynette Ware (Member 10283192) on 25-Oct-2013
Yes, hated hockey as well.
Remember Mrs. Short saying" you hit the ball, not jump over it." Quite
enjoyed running and long jump but not the P.E. indoors going over the
box. Carol, what was your last name at school and what years were you
there? My first job was at Thomas Claytons on Sussex Road, Southall. It
was in a old shop with outer buildings. My office was an old air raid
shelter. Great place to work they treated me very well and were very kind to me when my mum passed away. ... more >>
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Lynette Ware (Member 10283192) on 25-Oct-2013
Yes, hated hockey as well.
Remember Mrs. Short saying" you hit the ball, not jump over it." Quite
enjoyed running and long jump but not the P.E. indoors going over the
box. Carol, what was your last name at school and what years were you
there? My first job was at Thomas Claytons on Sussex Road, Southall. It
was in a old shop with outer buildings. My office was an old air raid
shelter. Great place to work they treated me very well and were very kind to me when my mum passed away. ... more >>
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Lynette Ware (Member 10283192) on 25-Oct-2013
Yes, hated hockey as well.
Remember Mrs. Short saying" you hit the ball, not jump over it." Quite
enjoyed running and long jump but not the P.E. indoors going over the
box. Carol, what was your last name at school and what years were you
there? My first job was at Thomas Claytons on Sussex Road, Southall. It
was in a old shop with outer buildings. My office was an old air raid
shelter. Great place to work they treated me very well and were very kind to me when my mum passed away. ... more >>
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Oct-2013
the nice long thick scarf came
in...green..with yellow stripe...good for the long winter dark
afternoons.trek home..fog rain...warm scarf..early mornings all
weathers....thebelt we had front metal.hook over little money zip bit in
it..pleated navy skirt....cotton skirts dresses gingham....back of
atage...used for costume make up.pirates penzance etc...moustache on
girls....lessons used there wood steps
ups..small lesson groups back of stage door......upstairs sci..fischel
her botany plants..then .after 3/4 yrs she.got her new labs at last
bunson burner....10 of us did human boilogy gce...skeleton she had
hanging...plastic organs.take apart model.......her dad was doctor from
Vienna.......bishop taught some loer classes...she went with ellis of
history..on 1964 trip Salzburg .Mozart..and sound music being filmed
there...got pushed out of piazza..when cameras were rolling....... ... more >>
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Carol (Member 10254505) on 25-Oct-2013
Hi Lynette - I was at Dormers Wells Seniors from 1957 to 1961 and my name is Rycraft.
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Oct-2013
just before us...but similar time
to nice chris Putney.of north rd.......you were leaving as we arrived
1960 sept...stage show they did in the hall july 1960...gilbert and
Sullivan.....was Dorothy morris there when you arrived....so she was
there 15yrs..50s 60s......from far west wales.miss moris..she went back
there at retire 1967 april .passed away......if she knew gert evans from
wales...so she covered up for her...mad insane behaviour.. ... more >>
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Carol (Member 10254505) on 25-Oct-2013
I remember there was a fashion
show staged and was filmed by the BBC. Must have been about 1960. Shown
on one of the early evening newsnight programmes, cant remember what it
was called. I was sitting in front row watching. When we knew it was
going to be on TV sat down to watch and just as camera panned to where I
was sitting the TV went wrong. Missed moment of fame haaa
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Oct-2013
don't know of fashion show..but
we only knew our class really..if 35 in class...about 4 forms..or 3
...each yr...suppose 500./400 girls in school..4 yrs.... then later 6th
form...good your tv show.. pity though...age 11 1st yr...2 schools at
top of form...bbc tv.quizshow..1960 ish shackleton hall...two teams 6 or
so in each sch..dormers team...hall by lady marg rd near geeenford
ave....was filmed for tv..nerve racking..about 1960...1960 fashion..starting..London Liverpool scene..60s beatles mary quant carnaby st etc.. ... more >>
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Carol (Member 10254505) on 25-Oct-2013
Shackleton Hall 1960 was at cousins wedding reception there.
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Oct-2013
we had 3 wedding receptions there
1953 1957 1958.....weddings holy trinity..nice photos white dresses
button holes..bridesmaid..dancing conga around the hall at end about 11
pm..musical chairs...good hall weddings evening party food
drink..music..
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Carol (Member 10254505) on 25-Oct-2013
My sister was married at Holy Trinity 1958, reception was at Conservative Club. I was bridesmaid.
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Carol (Member 10254505) on 25-Oct-2013
What was the name of the hall
just round the corner from the school in Allenby Road? Went to
Coronation party there with my sister. Cant remember name of it.
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Oct-2013
yes my cousins married 1958..holy
trinity pretty church ..conserve hall still there in use....had my 21st
there.....Allenby rd hall hut gone now....was for dormers seniors...did
acting in there....they had youth club there many yrs by 105 bus
stop....east side...gone now......kates gran married holy trinity 1953
aug,,carole born 1955...went feathers sch..lived Dudley rd...southall
family goldsmith 1900.to 1980s southall...of future king gran... ... more >>
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Oct-2013
dormers seniors.......miss
evans..presume of welsh origin..elderly.spinster....what am I
thinking....to every class ..for donkeys yrs..silence hour..intimidation
bully....eva jones PE....sue short.games .netball....dwyer married to
be cooper..English...mrs coutts married name 1959 ish was there before
under maiden name..music.limp...gt teacher..went to yr 2000
reunion..think she herself went to southall grammar..local family... ... more >>
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 26-Oct-2013
Yvonne- in your entry of 20th
Oct,you mention Purcell house flats. I wondered if the name Purcell was
connected to the Purcell sisters, two schoolgirls who were killed in an
air raid in 1940
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Oct-2013
that's interesting mike will try find out thanks..best wishes...
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Oct-2013
on the site of your isolation
hospital...britten drive....benjamin britten..music...and the
flats....over 10 of them ..large flats there..called Purcell
house....henry Purcell ..music....like the poets ..burns etc...southall
council...chose so many famous names of streets etc.....lady marg
longest rd in southall..lady margaret.after earl jersey family who owned
so much land southall norwood green the asylum.and Heston hundreds yrs.. ... more >>
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Carol (Member 10254505) on 26-Oct-2013
Have you seen the British Pathe
news clip about the opening of Southall Hospital by the Lord Mayor of
London in 1935? Also the air crash on Kelvin Gardens. My aunt and
uncle lived at 43 Allendale Avenue. Their garden backed onto Kelvin
Gardens and I can remember looking at devastation from their garden.
Does anybody know the names of those who were killed?
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Oct-2013
yes names are about...was in
gazette and some people of the area still talk of it..crossed lady marg
that morning the smell was awful....yes seen pathe ..ones..several
films there...60 Allendale gdads sister 1928 to 1980..1st war widow..2
kids..girl got.married from front gate bridesmaids photo
1936......gibbons boy who got Carnegie medal for 14yrs old lad rescue
work he did...haigh mayor southall spoke to bbc news..of it in 1958..plane cargo crash... ... more >>
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Oct-2013
in google several items..there
http://www.itnsource.com/shotlist//RTV/1958/09/02/BGY503060061/
7 people dead including 3 kids..included mum and new born baby...7.30 am Viking plane crash kelvin gdns
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Oct-2013
14 yr old presentation award
saved his 5 yr old nephew fron fire of crash..newsreel
clip....photos....2 sept 1958...kelvin
gdns,,,,,..http://londongrip.co.uk/2011/10/picking-through-the-bits/
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Oct-2013
girl carol reed died.....3 crew
died.4 at the houses died.7.30 am...8 injured......brian gibbons got
king George medal bravery.rescue his nephew tom...back pages our site
here 2004 jan..and down at 2005...
http://londongrip.co.uk/2011/10/picking-through-the-bits/
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Oct-2013
ealing library more info photos...gazette etc...was on tv news 1958...
- Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 26-Oct-2013
Yvonne-thanks re Purcell House.
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It's a shame
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by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 11-Oct-2013
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I used to contribute to this (not very often) and many other Knowhere
boards, but it's a shame that all the others have gradually died out.
Even Ealing gets no new postings now. Thanks to all, especially Yvonne
in particular for keeping this one going. I don't know why all the
others, even local ones, get no new contributions even from old
contributors, but it's a fact now. Thanks Yvonne
- Re: It's a shame
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Oct-2013
ok..thanks.nice words appreciated
greatly...xx.....2008 2010 you see loads southall Greenford
etc..people....taken up..facebook....some sections local history.to
fascinate.families friends school friends through generations
yrs..........you get from several people.daily.instant replies and
chat.response.all ages.........the site send you email to say
postings...and photos at nearly every contributions..stimulates
chat nostalgia info.........they have to tick ..like.......or add
sentence contribute...or loose site.....enough members and enough
responses..keeps site annually...if not loose site..........so nobody
gets ignored..loose heart..effort.valuable time put.in.......but.with
nostalgia talking point photos at .flickr...just
silences..so..heartbreaking of...yrs of massive valuable
time.wasted.........but..gt friend .kind words .thanks chat at
facebook...schools there neighbours now..because friends reunited really
ended..........so only one site daily sours ahead 5 yrs and more
now...facebook closed invited sites groups with .5 admin monitor it so
ill use..deleted person immediately....... ... more >>
- Re: It's a shame
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 11-Oct-2013
I agree with all you say Keith, including the contribution of Yvonne.
The towm where I live now(Harpenden,Herts) has only 72 contributions-quite a bit of advertising.
- Re: It's a shame
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Oct-2013
11 yrs ago this site started
here.....but facebook has grown hugely....same sort of site...chat
nostaligia ..all ages...each area..own group...barry Raymond does Heston
Hounslow bedfont hayes etc.................5 or so yrs now....huge
numbers use sites..daily...with posting photo by chat also....chat of
1930s etc...onwards..and some fascinating local history..also...research
done by some....who lived
where..the roads schools friends etc...groups of yrs ago...loyal
members there for 5 yrs and more......mike your name is there len
goddard etc.for 5/7 yrs len there....many..names there.. ... more >>
- Re: It's a shame
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 11-Oct-2013
HERE HERE I AGGRE LONG MAY OUR SITE LIVE.
- Re: It's a shame
by Chris (Member 10220786) on 11-Oct-2013
A HUGE vote of thanks to ALL who
contribute to this site especially Yvonne who keeps us all travelling
down memory lane. I can't praise her enough. Thank you Yvonne. Chris x
- Re: It's a shame
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Oct-2013
that's ok chris..best wishes to
you...denis Pauline mike..fred.keith.chris...we have gt
members..Sheila..Janice..and bob etc .etc etc .bill...gt people...and 11
yrs fantastic archive..precious shops etc archive info...going back yr
2000..pages
- Re: It's a shame
by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 11-Oct-2013
Yes I agree about this site and
concur re Yvonne. I just don't want to go on Facebook. What I like about
here, is that you just look at it when you want to & don't get
contacted by the site or bothered by having your name used elsewhere.
- Re: It's a shame
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 11-Oct-2013
I do agree with you Fred. I love
this site, and find it is enough for me to read through what everyone
has said, even though I don't obviously know about some of the places
which are referred to.
My daughters keep telling me about Facebook and what it's like, but I am content to remain here!
- Re: It's a shame
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Oct-2013
some parts of facebook I would
not join...but closed site...admin...small quality instead of quantity
is their motto...local of similar knowledge and interest..very similar
people to the 11 yrs of this site.........some facebook are different
from the rest..completely different...and click at top...for... not view
topic..or such..so .only .view ones want to....archive photos ..go
through in..topic sorted sections at leisure...all ages..there.... ... more >>
- Re: It's a shame
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 12-Oct-2013
Let us not forget the great contribution of the late Len Goddard.
- Re: It's a shame
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 12-Oct-2013
Yes, indeed Michael. Len's
knowledge of the shops on the Saxon road thread was remarkable. Plus,
the many, many other pieces of information. The beauty of it as well is,
it is still all there for us to refer to.
- Re: It's a shame
by Ronald Cox (Member 10259196) on 13-Oct-2013
Pauline the Saxon Rd 1939-51 has not been available to me for some time. Could you check to see what you get. Ron
- Re: It's a shame
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 14-Oct-2013
Hi Ron - I Just tapped in Ron Cox 21 January 2009 Saxon Road 1939-1951 and Saxon Road came up.
- Re: It's a shame
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 15-Oct-2013
Does anybody know what date Northolt race course closed.
- Re: It's a shame
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Oct-2013
about the time of war before
1939..1920 s 30s they were getting off Northolt rail station from London
gentry went there....will get gazette it was in there week ago..get
back to you..
- Re: It's a shame
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Oct-2013
gazette last week
photos....quote....after war attempts restart races failed....severe hse
shortage..built council houses..book..by len Jayne .pony races.story
Northolt pk....7 may 1946..council said most perfect racecourse in the
country local peole cheered......stands demolished it may
1955...grandstand was relocated to brands hatch.....race control box
remained there till 1994...gates .and street
names...remain..as clue to it...streets there are
haydock...ascot..Newmarket...estate built there post war..opened
1929..earl harewood there...special trains layed on from Marylebone
London....and Paddington...6000 parking...1st prize was£175..1 and half
mile track....60 days racing..for 11 yrs..charity nights for the toast
of society....1st electric time clock....1938 1st bbc outside broadcast
racing..held..there.......clever starting gates for jockeys.....5 stands
and royal box..restaurant renound..race to 1st yr of war last race june
1940...war dept ordinance depot.and prisoner war camp..became
there....working the farms there...famous smith farm
there.....camp.Italian so at xmas.gt there.barmen from Italy.used local
pubs as well..several stayed England after war 2 became pub
landlords..from being inmates..there.... ... more >>
- Re: It's a shame
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Oct-2013
list of nice sites on it here in
google photos etc,,,,,,,,never been able find photos Havelock rd
southall greyhound races...nothing....yrs 1930s..1950s....little on
it..shame....
- Re: It's a shame
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Oct-2013
in the link list pathe
film..course.....Britain from above photos 1933 the course....etc...lots
in google..Greenford Northolt border site..north of lady marg rd
southall...
- Re: It's a shame
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 15-Oct-2013
Thank you Yvonne i can
remember the rails still being in place, yes streets named
after race tracks, aunt & uncle lived on Thursk Close i
did not realize that parts of the course lasted until into
the mid 1990s would have taken some pics if i had known.
- Re: It's a shame
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Oct-2013
photos on your..flickr..your ist
photo..at comment...just click...get board14......then..at your other
photo..several boards just click....15 has...track photos...1934 pathe
news free in google George Formby singer raced there....road called
redcar close.near manderville...now...1st track to pioneer photo finish
and start gate...,,,,the course was used for filming..max miller
comedian..film...thank
evans..1938 was location..1951 they had race there..before demolish hse
estate built there 1955...yes gt if you had taken photos.....photo 1955
of derelict site and stands there....in last week gazette....1966.yrs
1st zcars tv..police..filmed in the area..bbc tv series.brian blessed
etc..lots aerial photo s ...of racecourse in Britain from air in
google...... ... more >>
- Re: It's a shame
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 15-Oct-2013
Did you have any luck in getting "Saxon road" Ron?
- Re: It's a shame
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 15-Oct-2013
Denis, I was thinking about
Northolt Racecourse the other day for I remember seeing a long article
about it once, with photo, but I cannot find it now. It might have
been on a "London Borough of Ealing" website, but cannot be sure. I
was reminded of this as I read that there are so many old racetracks
(dog and horse) now built on. Who still remember Hurst Park, across
the river from Hampton. I clearly remember racing results from Hurst Park, but that's housing now too. ... more >>
- Re: It's a shame
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Oct-2013
lots items..list Northolt race...in google....photos etc..info...
http://www.bing.com/search?q=northolt+race+track&form=CMNTDF&pc=CMNTDF&src=IE-SearchBox
- Re: It's a shame
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 15-Oct-2013
Thank you for that Keith.
- Re: It's a shame
by Ronald Cox (Member 10259196) on 15-Oct-2013
Computer down for a few days.
Yes Thank you Pauline and Yvonne
- Re: It's a shame
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Oct-2013
ok ron..good luck with computer.....just click the link and up comes saxon rd2009.....best wishes you and family
- Re: It's a shame
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 17-Oct-2013
It's iGoogle that's closing down
on November 1st. It still keeps giving a daily countdown on my computer,
but fortunately I don't use it!
- Re: It's a shame
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 17-Oct-2013
we don't get ..this....tony
thinks...bit of virus......suggests doing anti virus scan......in google
it tells you about some people getting that peculiar message...not
google says tony.....IT IS I google..that is closing nov 1st..over yr
ago said it..i google......we don't use it...different ...not the big
main google people....home page set up for weather etc comes up news
etc..comes up auto daily....shows
you all this in google..........we never used it...my southall
cousin..Canada his daughter works for..main..best google..in san
Francisco..gt ..people... ... more >>
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THE SHRUBBERY
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by Chris (Member 10220786) on 29-Sep-2013
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Phylis can you help please. I know you lived in Shrubbery Road which
got it's name because in the late 1800's a large house was in that area
called THE SHRUBBERY. Do you recall AMSDOM & POPE sweet shop? At
the back of there to this day there are remains of a very 'ornate' wall.
Along with others I am trying to discover if this wall is part of the
old house THE SHRUBBERY. Do you have an knowl edge that would help us. Thanks Chris xx ... more >>
- Re: THE SHRUBBERY
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Sep-2013
phylis........if you heard of
shrubbery house used as small asylum.....1881 1891..censuses by jane
rosser..1870 etc was dr stewart living there many yrs.in shrubbery
house..........famous.abbot brothers.place firm.was shrubbery rd 1947 in
google.....try to see this old wall found.2013.......which wall
demolished place it..was......if you know anything thanks phylis..best
wishes..
- Re: THE SHRUBBERY
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Sep-2013
gt read..book pages....southall
Northolt Greenford through time...famous sharvil lane prehistoric track
roman villas farm..........famous smith farm..sept 2013google to be
flats...1595 farm barn went tochiltern open air museum..we sawit
RG....timber frame brick barn,4 bays...canal famous wood bridge....east
side of famous northalahills pk..of wembly stadium.rubble used...western
ave...http://www.northoltvillageresidents.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Northolt.pdf
... more >>
- Re: THE SHRUBBERY
by sheila iddenden (Member 10235498) on 30-Sep-2013
Hi I also lived in Shrubbery Road
for 17yrs and have never heard a Shrubbery house mentioned, I did
wonder if maybe it was Dr Glass house that faces the green, its the
only big house that I can recall in the area.
- Re: THE SHRUBBERY
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Sep-2013
thanks Sheila...it is on the
1911...census...the shrubbery house....jane rosser.had patients
..there.....before dr stewart 1844 onwards had patients there.....big
hse ..shrubbery rd..named after it......this week 6 photos of old yr
1844 old wall parts there photographed...elaborate arch .design
bricks..easily 1844 bricks....gt save of southall....wall still
there.......houses built road 1911 onwards..terraced
houses etc..filled the road up...demolished hse but 2013 ..wall bits
there...wall around the garden...big gentry house.. ... more >>
- Re: THE SHRUBBERY
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Sep-2013
aec...draw office
1954/5...draughtman etc....southall.....photo gt..etc.....in
google......http://middx.net/aec/personnel/mdo_006.htm
- Re: THE SHRUBBERY
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 1-Oct-2013
I've just had a notice appearing
on my screen that Google is shutting down in 31 days and to save
anything stored in it. Has anyone else had this?
- Re: THE SHRUBBERY
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Oct-2013
wow..oh dear..will ask tony..will let you know...oh
- Re: THE SHRUBBERY
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Oct-2013
have typed it in google........31
days.....page of items comes up....tony not heard of your screen
message...thing...he is ..having a think
- Re: THE SHRUBBERY
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Oct-2013
says 1st april it was on screens but..joke....1st oct today...pinch punch 1st mth no returns....
- Re: THE SHRUBBERY
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 1-Oct-2013
Thanks for that. Although I don't
store anything in Google, I would really miss it. Wonder who the
pranksters are who are doing this?
- Re: THE SHRUBBERY
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Oct-2013
yes strange...best wishes
- Re: THE SHRUBBERY
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Oct-2013
mike...all.....do you remember
north rd......just by shrubbery rd...south edge of it...was tiny petrol
station.....................do you remember undertakers...just before.
white hart pub uxbridge rd........thanks....
- Re: THE SHRUBBERY
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Oct-2013
1940s...50s..yrs approx....bob
morrow had the garage.....mike..shrubbery rd...the back gardens...of the
north side.row of houses.....photos of...high 1844 bricks ornamental
wall.....seems..wall grounds of the shrubberys...asylum.sometimes
patient there..between..1844 to 1911 yrs ..1920s big hse the
shrubberys.....did you here of the house...mike.demolition...boundary
wall still there...thanks..
- Re: THE SHRUBBERY
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Oct-2013
oh it was spicers..then.after 1955 theymoved onto south rd..from there....all our funerals...most peoples were spicers......
- Re: THE SHRUBBERY
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 1-Oct-2013
Yes, I remember Spicers the funeral directors. They did my dad's funeral in 1971 at Ruislip Crematorium.
- Re: THE SHRUBBERY
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Oct-2013
yes my west ave dad ..his
sisters.and brotherinlaws..etc...... Ruislip..later yrs...most many
were..but 4 of my west ave 1936 1948 1960 were hevelock spicers used.
- Re: THE SHRUBBERY
by Chris (Member 10220786) on 1-Oct-2013
Along that block of shops was an
Off licence. Splicers and next to the White Hart was Quinions ..Sadlery
shop. In later years he also sold leather goods, handbags and luggage
plus sports shoes. Chris x
- Re: THE SHRUBBERY
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 2-Oct-2013
Just to say that Spicers was still along by the White Hart in 1971 as I went there myself to book the funeral.
- Re: THE SHRUBBERY
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Oct-2013
that's interesting might be 1973
ish move to south rd..east side..on street view still there
today..thanks ..gt info Pauline thankyou..
- Re: THE SHRUBBERY
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 2-Oct-2013
Yvonne- remember most of the
things about Shrubbery road you mention. A friend of mine used to go out
with a girl from Shubbery Road-Mavis Cripps
- Re: THE SHRUBBERY
by sheila iddenden (Member 10235498) on 2-Oct-2013
Spicers the undertaker wastzken
over by the older daughter Sylvia her husband and brother I was very
friendly with June the younger daughter I think her husband also went in
to the business I had ashop over the bridge.My mother was Mrs Quions
cleaner it wasthroughMr Quion that we got the house in Shrubbery Road
mum and dad had the offer to buy it for £800 but refused they would nt
believe what they are worth noe , they lived there 29 yrs .I
Also Mavis Cripps and all the family in fact I can name most of the families that live there ... more >>
- Re: THE SHRUBBERY
by sheila iddenden (Member 10235498) on 2-Oct-2013
I did nt have a shop over the bbridge the Spicers did , lesson learnt do watct tv whilst do ing this
- Re: THE SHRUBBERY
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Oct-2013
thanks mike.1930 yrs did you hear
of the shrubbery hse,,,,,,entrance onto north rd..just north edge of
east end of shrubbery rd...1844 to 1900s...gentry house...dr
steward.MD,,,,then jane rosser...1 or 2 mental asylum.people
there...grounds gardens out back......kids to 1960 playing on the old
1844 wall high there boundary....rubble there...never built on....old
shrubbery hse......anny info..mike..thanks..photo of the old wall etc...this week...they have never built on the space....... ... more >>
- Re: THE SHRUBBERY
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Oct-2013
always lovely to hear you
Sheila....great lovely read it all...thanks....think..spicer went to
north rd 1972 to 1974 yrs.......yes please list of peoples names
shrubbery be lovely.....behind the north side their back gardens...open
space....very old handmade bricks high wall parts yr1844....of the old
shrubbery house dr steward 2 patients asylum........did you hear of
it.when was it demolished yr 1920
or yr 1913......also..or the wall...Sheila did you play there.....this
week dozen photos of the space and wall still there............ ... more >>
- Re: THE SHRUBBERY
by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 2-Oct-2013
Michael, Mavis Cripps was my
Aunty & married to my Uncle Shamus they lived in the road that backs
onto The Cut at the top of Regina Rd and had a huge apple tree.
- Re: THE SHRUBBERY
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 2-Oct-2013
Fred-most interested to know Mavis was your Aunty-have an idea her hair was reddish in clour
- Re: THE SHRUBBERY
by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 3-Oct-2013
Well when I last saw her about 25
years ago it was a sort of sandy colour she always had a very cheerful
disposition & she adored my Uncle but then he was easy to love, such
a gentle man my eldest daughter who is now 44 herself was charmed by
him & was very sad when he passed away in 1991. I think Aunty May
passed away about 7 or 8 years ago.
- Re: THE SHRUBBERY
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 3-Oct-2013
Fred-Sorry to hear of Mavis's passing
- Re: THE SHRUBBERY
by Janice Johnson (Member 10240407) on 3-Oct-2013
I've been catching up with all
the entries and am interested to read of a house called The Shrubbery.
My cousin Bob Hurdwell once told me of a derelict house which was
boarded up where he used to sometimes 'explore' with his friends. As far
as I can remember, the house was somewhere at the back of the houses in
Shrubbery Road. This would have been around 60 years or so ago. Not
sure if this is of any help.
- Re: THE SHRUBBERY
by Janice Johnson (Member 10240407) on 3-Oct-2013
I've just remembered there was a
block of more modern flats/maisonettes between the bottom of Goldswains
garden and older houses - all opposite where North Road clinic used to
be - maybe this is where The Shrubbery was?
- Re: THE SHRUBBERY
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Oct-2013
very kind Janice....have 20
photos...pity cant show here...today..still derelict land...google says
attempts build but access problems..........thanks boarded up 1940 ish
yrs....yes north back of shrubbery rd..still space there...fantastic
photos this week of ornate boundary walls of.the grounds
garden.hse..1844 to 1920ish hse..dr steward 3 patients in as
asylum......wish he could have taken photo
of the boarded up hse...1950s it seems to have gone........north rd is
the censusman..record of its occupants entrance door.....1897 8 terraced
houses seem to have been built along the front of the estate ...of
shrubbery gentry house.....the builder might have used some of the
rubble....good you say boardedhouse 1940ish yrs...no photos in google of
the hse......shrubbery rd..the 1897 terrace of houses ..the new more
modern block flats...chris moses shop.ALL WEST SIDE and little row shops
on the site of 1932 old grove cottages known to dilys....then grove
terrace..then grove hse yr 1720...then the sweet shop..goldswain and
baxter and owners..then north rd school...street view 2012 is
good......grateful to you ..thanks...xx..boarded hse 1940s.ish.seems to
be shrubbery hse ..8 people occupied it bedrooms....garden grounds
ornate wall boundary.of 1844 mand made bricks..design
elaborate.......north rd clinic...chris moses would know....xxxbig
thankyou my dear. ... more >>
- Re: THE SHRUBBERY
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Oct-2013
Janice we were thinking that
..yr1844 shrubbery hse...was demolished.....before 1940....1920 or when
ever...but place left derelict..1897..terrace row is there on stret view
having been built........1940s 50s yrs.......war yrs do you think..it
might have been fine 1720 gentry house of grove house which is
there....that might have been boarded up .for protection during the
war..it is heritage listed...it
is on the main.rd..east of north road school.....then bob would play
..in this space of rubble and rubbish that was behind grove hse on the
south behind of it...extending to the north..back gardens of shrubbery
rd......thanks...grateful my dear..xxx..3 storey high fine grove hse
still there protected on street view and in google is nursery school.... ... more >>
- Re: THE SHRUBBERY
by sheila iddenden (Member 10235498) on 3-Oct-2013
yvonne noe you mention it I do
remember the brick wall you may be right prehaps that where the house
was may be the little shop that was there was the lodge house or
something. I not to sure about putting the peopple who lived in
Shrubbery road on here , what do you think ?
- Re: THE SHRUBBERY
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Oct-2013
lots of people chat about
neighbours names..1940s 50s..seems ok..might jog peoples memories old
friends..lots of southall emigrated oz..etc..went new towns..uk...not to
worry.....yes thanks little shop..is boarded sweets..it is store
area..closed many yrs.....yes old wall glad you remember....wonder if
the famous...grove hse by the sweet shop was boarded up during the war
1940s yrs.......thanks best wishes lots of love..xx ... more >>
- Re: THE SHRUBBERY
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 3-Oct-2013
Janice-is Bob Hurdwell still around?
- Re: THE SHRUBBERY
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Oct-2013
Sheila...mike.....Janice...bob................on the short page of this
site...12 shrubbery rd....Marjorie honor blake.lived there had illegit
son....rosie of parslow blake family.looking for info........baby boy
was adopted..................seems your years..if info
known..blake..number 12...
- Re: THE SHRUBBERY
by Janice Johnson (Member 10240407) on 4-Oct-2013
Hello Michael - Yes, Bob Hurdwell
is still around. He'll be 79 at the end of this month and has lived in
Maidenhead, Berks, for many years.
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by Janice Johnson (Member 10240407) on 4-Oct-2013
Hello Yvonne - One of my father's
sisters married a Joseph Blake from New Road on the Brentford/South
Ealing borders - lived Ealing Road, Brentford. What little I know of the
Blake family, there is no Marjorie among them. My parents 'emigrated'
from Brentford/South Ealing so it's possible some Blake family did as
well. Maybe a connection but would be hard to follow up for sure as he
was my uncle by marriage and all the descendants who could have helped have long gone! ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Oct-2013
thanks jan.....few blake family
about...1951..north rd..blake .mother .mrs m blake..think Marjorie..and
daughter Eileen marie blake...young...pregnant..they went to new
Zealand..baby boy denis born adopted.out.......blake 1951 and yrs before
were at 207 north rd..seems right on top of the post office grocers
opposite beehive pub...1951 mrs m blake and pregnant daughter Eileen
emigrated to newz...perhaps Eileen went to dormers senior school pre 1951......
...my aunt of west ave baby 1948.died age 2 .meningitis.....
..record book has him buried in Marjorie blake died 1943 vase added 1935
Havelock grave.....my aunt baby buried in there 1948.......yes know new
rd..yes know it..I worked beechams out that way.......xxxxx...dilys
might know.....207 north rd up by her.... ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Oct-2013
happy birthday bob...for end
oct...we were at maidenhead..day out..this yr..lovely..thames and
lock..etc.....bob if you remember the wall bits..at play area..think
handmade bricks 1844...ornate arch shapes in the wall..pillars design in
the wall...we have 20 photos this week...cant build on your play space
council says access problem...alley..but cant get access road into
there..etc....think was boundary
wall of famous 1855 to 1900s..the shrubbery hse asylum for 2 females..8
people staff lived there...area of the old smithy...north back of north
gardens of shrubbery rd......walls around the old gentry house
big...bit s..of walls still there.this month 2013 20 photos
taken...and.1897..terraced 8 houses....built along the
front.......terrace.south ..left side of chris moses pudney rmt shoeshop
with the shops..north rd.......did you hear of ruins of old hse....best
wishes..to you and jan..... ... more >>
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by sheila iddenden (Member 10235498) on 4-Oct-2013
I REMEMBER THE NAME OF PARSLOW
THINK THEY LIVED JUST PAST PHYLLIS SO WOULD BE ABOUT NO NINE , CANT
RECALL THE NAME BLAKE, NO12 THE SHANKSTERS LIVED THERE AT LEAST 2 GIRLS
JEAN BEING ONE OF THEM MAYBE THERE WERE BOYS BUT CANT REME BER PHYL WILL
KNOW IM SURE DOES ANY ONE REMEMBER THE LERKS FAMILY THEY LIVED IN THE
CLTTAGES INTHE SCHOOL PASSAGE SIDE OF THE WHITE HEART I HAVE AN IDEA
THAT THEY MOVED TO FAIRLAWN GARDENS WHICH WAS ALONG SIDE NORTH ROAD SCHOOL. ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Oct-2013
thanks sheila
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by Chris (Member 10220786) on 4-Oct-2013
I remember the Perks family, they
lived in one of the two old cottages in school passage on the right
going toward High Street. Cottages long gone now. I think there were
three or four Perks girls. I also knew the Shanksters, Gwen, Jean,
Sheila, John, Peter and Rita. Chris x
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by sheila iddenden (Member 10235498) on 4-Oct-2013
I remember an yvonne perks and
marion but there were older girls I believe, where did you live Chris?
We all used to play together in Shrubbery road
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by Chris (Member 10220786) on 4-Oct-2013
Sheila I lived in Grove Terrace;
Mum, Dad and Grandad had the shoe repair shop next to Janes
Hanerdashery and Hurdwells Grocers. I used to play a lot in Shrubbery
Road, I was friends with Janet Perks, Joyce White, Rita Shankster and
Gwen and Carole Cripps....+ many more. Chris x
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by sheila iddenden (Member 10235498) on 4-Oct-2013
My parents used to use that
bootmenders . You must be younger than me because the girls you played
with are youger than me , did you know any of the o sullivans from
Dorthory villas Alan Salvage and Derek Simpson were the boys that used
to play out as well,
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by Chris (Member 10220786) on 4-Oct-2013
I remember the Sullivan's from 6 Dorothy Villas bur can't remember names! Chris x
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Oct-2013
back after couple days site
out..sent emails sunday but probably staff Monday so today sent and up
comes site..thanks to the...3 photos aec bombed badly war sept 24
1940..days before north rd school.28th.got bombed........night
aec..staff escaped down their shelter at siren...6 mths.trouble there
with damage caused..roof etc service..dept....so tools vehicles bad
damage...
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by Bill Henley (Member 10272156) on 7-Oct-2013
Some discussions back we were
recalling shops that used to be in the Broadway etc. I have just
returned from my aunt with my mother's engagement ring in its original
box. She was married April 1936. The ring came from James Walker Ltd, 49
The Broadway, Southall. I now remember buying a set of silver teaspoons
from there for their silver wedding anniversary. Are they still there?
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Oct-2013
no long gone bill..1980s 1990 or
so ..gone....up towards woolworths south side.....in
google.....type.....showmystreet.com...............good 2012 clear
view...of shops broadway...southall......woolworths went few yrs
ago.....99 pound shop now....
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Oct-2013
my aunts married 1935 from southall....holy trinity...
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 7-Oct-2013
Yvonne, where are the 3 photos of
the AEC bombed in 1940? I am particularly interested as my dad would
have been on nightwork at that time.
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Oct-2013
get them on now 15
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 7-Oct-2013
Thanks Yvonne. Just seen them.
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Oct-2013
good lovely..
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Oct-2013
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ww2peopleswar/stories/04/a3695204.shtml
Anderson.southall..account of war bombing southall..Heston..in google
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by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 7-Oct-2013
Mention of the bomb on AEC
reminds me that a large bomb fell nearby in Argyll Avenue, leaving a
very large crater. Nobody killed fortunately. Friends of my parents
lived in Argyll Avenue.
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 7-Oct-2013
Thank you Yvonne for that sad,
but wonderful account of the war bombing in Southall. It made me realise
that living in Northcote Avenue, the other side of Southall, we hadn't
experienced anything near what that young woman and her family had. It
was truly heartbreaking, particularly the looting!
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Oct-2013
thanks Pauline...mike..
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by Janice Johnson (Member 10240407) on 7-Oct-2013
Hello Sheila Iddenden - I've seen
that you mention Alan Salvage as one of your old playmates. He was in
my class at North Road school - a tall ruddy-complexioned boy. I also
knew a girl from Shrubbery whose surname was Harrison - had a mop of
curly red hair - think her dad had been in the Navy. Wonder where all
our old school chums ended up, how they fared in life, what stories they
could tell. Still little children in our mind's eyes. ... more >>
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by sheila iddenden (Member 10235498) on 7-Oct-2013
Hello janice , I think the girl
you discribe lived with her granparents there name was alsop and I think
they own agarage, yes that was alan he was really nice and I think all
the girls liked him do nt know where any of them are now , I am still in
touch with phyl, is and pamele harman pam comes to stay with me acouple
of times a yeat
Rshe has recently moved to ruslip.
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Oct-2013
if Harman....knows val Harman
born 1949...of Harman brother..her dad.......lived near around any areas
around somerset rd.....val left dormers 1966 to be secretary bbc tv
centre shepherds bush red..thick hair auburn.....big Harman fmily local
many many yrs...famous brewery uxbridge high st for many decades..going
far back in time....the Harman brewery
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by sheila iddenden (Member 10235498) on 7-Oct-2013
No yvonne I doo nt thinkwe are talking about ths same harman family mmy friend will be older we left dormers 1952
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Oct-2013
thanks sheila
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Oct-2013
southall aec .fame of war
work..there..the armoured vehicle..valentine...in display buck palace
mall after war......visit of tank to war staff aec southall
photos.15board/...male staff and kids there boys kids there at southall
factory..to see tank visit.. the war..years around that time..kids age
8/9 etc.rough
ages.there.................http://panzerserra.blogspot.it/2012/12/aec-mk-i-british-armoured-car-part-01.html ... more >>
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by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 8-Oct-2013
Thanks Yvonne will have a look at that.
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Oct-2013
yes lots there...click..15...link is at your flickr site....36...etc...several links there for you...10 etc...just click..
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Oct-2013
1956 yrs...council colour film
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEWvSbHC_IA#t=142
hayes southall border....hayes bridge..brookside willowtree...uxbridge rd..pub..buses.....cranford pk....etc...
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Oct-2013
film has hayes end uxbridge rd
trolley buses...1956 yrs..tow path canal......hayes high st
woolworths..level crossing...station etc....council flower
beds.designs.crests etc.............
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by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 9-Oct-2013
Yvonne.
Thank you very much for posting that video link. A very interesting film
that I had not seen before. It is interesting that there is a snatch
of Charville Lane in there as it was 60 years ago. As you may remember
I have said before, that is one of the oldest roads in the whole of
Britain, and the bit along the top of the hill at Down BArns on the
Yeading/Northolt border is a bit still
there to see as the ancient trackway headed off to East Anglia. But,
alongside that video were links to others, and one that is particularly
interesting is Heathrow in 1949, a fabulous documentary actually
showing some of the old Heath Row village being destroyed as they built
the airport. This is well worth a look and it said in that 1949 video
that building was likely to continue for SIX years. If only they knew
what they had created.............
... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Oct-2013
yes good films
there.......amazing to not loose films of good memory......couple yrs
now been reading down barn and sharvil..etc...lots in google...very
interesting....
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by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 9-Oct-2013
Yvonne
Another good old road to trace is the one that was cut by the canal at
Trumpers Crossing. It was an old drove road to London via Mattock
Lane, Ealing Common. Canal building was it's death knell and enclosure
of Osterley Park, but was Cranford/Heston route to Ealing and London.
Must have been wonderful to have seen 200 years ago
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by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 9-Oct-2013
Interesting that "British History Online" states that "Sharvel Lane was 'out of repair' by 1504" !!
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Oct-2013
yes have read a lot on
trumpers...very good.....1802.onwards. my genealogy norwood green
...agricultural labourers etc......he married at st mary ealing
rd.....census shows them going all over field tracks for work...he would
have gone trumpers...to ..east....and back again...she ..was ..out
there from norwood green .baptism...so walked track..before 1930..work
as farm.worker or servant..ealing rd...busy
area...married there 1830....then back to southall green norwood
green......fern lane Heston..the next ones settled.....married across
west .tracks.....at harmondsworth...then back to fern lane...work
walking for.......married out there...farms orchards...old labourers
tracks... ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Oct-2013
yes 3 yrs now have been reading brit hist on line...very good......and some maps etc there...
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by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 9-Oct-2013
Trumpers Lane Halt was the only station on the long gone GWR railway service from Southall to Brentford.
Some years ago I went on a special train from Southall to the
end of where the line still runs,organised by the GWR Preservation
Society.
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Oct-2013
was good you
went.mike.........great southall society.of rail..museum .etc...yes
several photos of ..station trumpers and crossing places....some books
and photos of it all in google.......
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Oct-2013
pub signs historic
heritage...image art work....1916 victory..ship image change name
..war...southall green corner east side...now
hotel.....................http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=victory+pub+signs&qpvt=victory+pub+signs&FORM=IGRE
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by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 10-Oct-2013
I remember my dad telling me that the Victory pub in Southall pre 1914 was called the Kaiser Wilhelm/
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Oct-2013
king Prussia
..pub.called......many..yrs 1890 etc....war had to change name..1800s
queen Victoria..albert.... lots germans came .England poplar
docks..and//some. up to Brentford dock..new canal and into southall
green....from hamburg etc areas..ship to us...gas works poplar
and....gas ..southall.....workers...stokers etc....
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Oct-2013
8 inns..pubs southall hamlet
farms fields..1821.....1899 once called plough southall green..then
renamed kings head..then called king Prussia..by 1914....1916 renamed
victory............plough..refers ag lab..orchards etc.hay...4 farms
southall green..and workhouse farm Featherstone rd..1803 to 1836 closed
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Oct-2013
lost pubs southall.......http://www.closedpubs.co.uk/middlesex/southall.html
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Oct-2013
1866 king Prussia...1 king
st....1866 adams landlord.....1901 robinson..1914richmond 1916 haste
change name to victory......war
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Oct-2013
pub southall.....http://pubshistory.com/Middlesex/Hayes/KingPrussia.shtml
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by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 10-Oct-2013
Thanks Yvonne & Mike
Actually, Trumpers Lane now ends at the site of the old "Trumpers
Crossing Halt". As a kid, we always knew it as Trumpers Crossing.
West of Trumpers Lane is lost now, but then the route remains as Yvonne
states "Fern Lane" then off to Sipson somewhere
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Oct-2013
my nans dad....lived fern lane
1866 ,,yrs one of 12 kids siblings...dad ..ag labourer...gdad 1806 born
local farm labourer....married harmondsworth girl..over fields for
work...nans dads..brother...made it good Heston mkt gardener and
greengrocer shop...photo in local hist bk..andhe was 1st Heston villae
fireman...left probate...money age 71....1937......orchards...corn hay
fields etc....200 yrs local people..
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Oct-2013
abc cinema..minors song......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzWjw7AO_Xo
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 11-Oct-2013
Like Keith, I enjoyed that video
link you put on Yvonne of Hayes & Harlington. It was wonderful to
keep getting glimpses of the time we lived there in 1954/6. As it
whizzed past Woolworths in Hayes town, I remembered that the Post Office
was on the opposite side, and Clayton road and Blyth road was also
along there where the dear old EMI was, where we were both working. I
had a strange feeling as it
moved over the bridge by the side of Hayes station, as it reminded me
of the time I went on the back of a tandem for the first time and nearly
brought my husband off. We had borrowed it after a Christmas party.
Also seeing Botwell Green and the little park where we girls from EMI
used to have our lunch in the summer time and catch up on the gossip,
and Coldharbour Lane, that very long lane that we cycled up so many
times. Uxbridge road with that huge building which sometimes had been a
cinema (can't remember the name) and then a Bingo Hall. We were always
over that neck of the woods as we had relatives in both Balmoral Drive
and Mellow Lane East. Lovely, lovely memories. ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Oct-2013
yes I used to go hayes high st
..before 1970...and yrs..woolworths and post office opposite.....tandem
sounds gt...bike .you did..yes cinema.uxbridge rd became bingo saw west
side story there 1965ish....yes blyth rd .emi etc...emi..part open yrs
now vinyl.factory canteen..in gazette weekly,,,,,now doing restaurant
students event there this week....emi .place ...
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Oct-2013
essoldo cinema...was savoy...was
classic...became bingo....photos board26.pauline.nice there...171
viewings nobody realises to put comments....some had 500 viewings and
more.huge viewings click enlarge etc...flickr......but rare get nice
comment pity..........http://cinematreasures.org/theaters/30167
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by Phyl Hutnell (Member 10234816) on 17-Oct-2013
Hi everyone and apologies, I have
not been on the Southall site for some time, so have got behind with
all that's been going on. My friend, Sheila Iddenden, has jogged my
memory about it so have taken a look today. Re Shrubbery Road, I lived
there until I married, and my mother had lived there all her life. Don't
remember a Shrubbery House at all, and at the back of the houses on our
side of the road were
garages and a builders yard. The only big house I can think of was Grove
House, which is still there. Sadly all my family have passed on now, so
no one I can ask about a Shrubbery House. The ginger headed girl you
talked about was Ann Harrison. Her father was in the navy, and her and
her mother lived with the other grandparents in Park View Road, the road
by Holy Trinity Church when her father was away. She used to visit her
mother's family in Shrubbery Road. I used to go and play with her often
in Park View Road. I drove down Shrubbery Road recently, (a trip down
memory lane) and was very pleasantly surprised at how well kept all the
houses still are. Keep the memories flowing, and I add my thanks to
Yvonne for all her hard work. All my family except for me are on
facebook, but I prefer to stay clear of it! ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 17-Oct-2013
gt to hear you phylis..best
wishes to you and family..thankyou...yes grove hse and tsextensions .now
1720 built.....along north rd..entrancearea door to 1844/55..built the
shrubbery hse...9 lived in it..censuses...5 insane patients..females..dr
steward MD...servants...1891..jane rosser took over till she was 65
there...1894 map..it is still there..1911census....after war 1920..many
servants ended think..it
decline.....walls there today..have dozen photos today..probably walls
around the grounds gardens....gardener and coachman dwellings..next to
grand hse...doors onto north rd...by the later.smithy.1950s..new flats
50s 60s.on the left ..south of parade shops..by chris moses gdad shoes
repairs......south by junction..shrubbery rd..built 1910/20ish..or.yr
1900 the oldest terrace row shrubbery rd built.......their back gardens
north....onto open space yard garages....we have and it .seem s 1894map
shows grounds garden of THE SHRUBBERY HSE.small asylum......now 3 rows
garagesthere...through alley ways..by 1897.built plaque there 8 terraced
tall hses north rd westside.....through the south end shop and through
right north side of new flats block..dozen photos.of 1844 walls old
bricks there ornate.design....library being asked for photo of the hse
ealing mr oates.librarian..pity we are too late to ask parents etc...get
tv..time team there...be gt...ha...xx ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 17-Oct-2013
philis................. got 1914
post office....weedon...bunce....parslow..living the 1st old terrace
built..shrubbery rd.....there 1914....bunce was caretaker north rd
school many yrs...lived 1940 yrs...meadow rd the caretaker hse.....
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by Phyl Hutnell (Member 10234816) on 20-Oct-2013
Hi Yvonne. Weedon was my mother's
maiden name, and the house was originally rented by her parents. Not
many people could afford to buy a house in those days. My mother was the
youngest of 8, and she remained in the house when she married, and my
mum and dad eventually bought it.
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Oct-2013
lovely....1914 ..weedon
there.....big families weedon local......west ave 1930 1950..number
9...west side top.........lots them..on 1911 census...southall
green...1890 like many...labourers..across from yeading etc areas ..they
were like many were...out to ruislip farms...200 yrs their name about
locally........yes not afford buy hse..yes....rented....lodged..in with
others..1928 1930s...beginning
of some council houses....gradually..private buying
houses..morgage..always been rope round neck..fear............but then
modern times buy the council hse at discount...thanks phyl...yes.... ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Oct-2013
phyl .......nice to see names
1914 north side.3 garrett.5 stapleton..9 wood..villas is .2 king..1
kimber...shrubbery rd .15 weedon.william...17 turmbar..19 bunce .21
cossen..23 newell..27 tucker..31 parslow..33 webb..35 combley.37
Hawkins....south rd..2 tomlin..3 pont..6 holdwar..8 cooper..10
dolman..24 shrubbery rd.shipway.....laurel terrace..1 chalk..2 Morton..3
rowles..4 philpott..5 cody....
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Oct-2013
that should say ...the south side
of shrubbery rd....not south rd....so they are all living shrubbery rd
here..listed 1914....and joyce ..living at the big house 9 occupants
nurses etc...the shrubbery hse..1914..with next door to it...brown and
sons builders............chris remembers brown..1950s...there...as with
the smthy..near...today photos taken all around the back in old space of
playing...recently
taken photos of the old..parts of 1844 walls around shrubbery grand
hse...still there.ornate design...no photo of the hse yet..demolished
about 1920 probably....1897.built terrace tall houses along that part of
north rd west side..... ... more >>
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September 3rd
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by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 3-Sep-2013
|
I have suddenly realised that today is the anniversary of the outbreak of WW2 in 1939-well 11am to be exact.
The air raid warning went, but no signs of enemy action.
Underground air raid shelters were dug on the green opposite our house.
They were seldom used, and became very smelly after a few days-Anderson
shelters were issued to houses-ours promptly flooded after a few days!
Initially we went into school two days a week, and got homework to do. ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Sep-2013
oh dear...terrible time..remember
len saying..he was out..tonys the broadway icecream.man was coming
along and gave all the kids ice.cream.....my aunts got best wage pkts
they ever had piece work..all hours munitions...dad and his brother.n
Africa...Italy...tonys dad Italy.army...................1914 .90 yrs
next yr ..bbc are planning..a large amount of items...
- Re: September 3rd
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 3-Sep-2013
Remember dad telling me about
the sirens going he said it scared every one to death. also
first aircraft to crash in ww11 an Avro Anson came down in
the sea off Hastings the Hasings lifeboat towed it to shore
where it was beached without casualtys.
- Re: September 3rd
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 3-Sep-2013
I remember it well, as if was
yesterday. It was on a Sunday, and my brother Bob and I were in the
playground in Spikes Bridge park. The siren went and all the kids went
running home fast. My brother was on the slide and wouldn't come off. We
were the only ones left in the park, and all of a sudden my father came
running in to get us. I do remember he was not very pleased with
Bob.When we got home the
curtains were all drawn in our back room and I remember that it seemed
as if we were all waiting for something to happen. My father also told
us to run indoors fast if the wooden contraption with a square piece on
top in our front garden changed colour. I know I did keep looking at it
for a while, but nothing happened. I believe it was to detect a gas
raid.
... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Sep-2013
good thing it was not gas..thankyou.for that..it was interesting...think that high slide was there for so many yrs..
- Re: September 3rd
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 3-Sep-2013
55 yrs ago yesterday morning the the aeroplane crashed in Kelvin gardens.
- Re: September 3rd
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 3-Sep-2013
Yes, that plane crash was also on
the fight path of the short, little used runway that flew over Perivale
Maternity Hospital, South Greenford Halt, Greenford Broadway, Allenby
Roadm Southall, etc.
That Runway not used much then and now does not exist as all built on
and changed at Heathrow so no more landings over Greenford, Allenby Road
or SOuthall. Perivale Maternity Hospital not exist any more either, - all expensive luxury flats I expect ... more >>
- Re: September 3rd
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Sep-2013
yes Perivale maternity
demolished..1987ish yrs...my cousins baby born there...kates mum carol
1955 born there...yes have heard.greenford people talk..of as you say
runway..those who suffer the noise etc of the huge jumbo jets and those
that are lucky and not to be.direct route of noise..the gt west
rd..every 2 mins.is like a runway in itself..huge planes every 2
mins..down the line of the gt west rd
Hounslow....1958 kelvin gdns sad crash...crossing the lady marg rd to
school...smelt the burning etc..it was awful early morning..terribly sad
for the families houses there...the mayor..Johnson haigh went..bbc.went
pathe film..photos in google..gazette article there.................. ... more >>
- Re: September 3rd
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 4-Sep-2013
Yes. that Heathrow runway closed years ago
No landings over Greenford/Southall now but all land over Kew/Brenford
etc when wind in that direction. Runway pointing to Greenford/Southall
was very short and quite dangerous. But that plane would have crashed
anyway as rules on overloaded planes much tougher these days.
- Re: September 3rd
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Sep-2013
interesting thanks
keith..southall library 1st sept now is.run by private
company...Carnegie library of 1890....Carnegie award was given to
gibbons the 14 yr old boy who helped with the injured at the 1958 crash
kelvin gdns.
- Re: September 3rd
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 4-Sep-2013
Now Heathrow just has 2 runways,
but looking at old 1950s/60s maps of Heathrow is interesting because you
can see the old runways, and one of those points towards
Southall/Greenford
- Re: September 3rd
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Sep-2013
yes have dozen of the so interesting photos of old heathrow..the start..beginning yrs...lovely..to see.runway etc etc.
- Re: September 3rd
by Bill Henley (Member 10272156) on 4-Sep-2013
My family lived on the flight
path marked by Southall gas holder. At night the planes would switch on
their lights and raise them from pointing at the ground to straight
ahead. In doing so they would shine very brightly into my bedroom for an
instant. I have a memory of the Brabazon flying overhead. It is strange
how you can become used to aircraft, train and other noises. During the
war my father said that
he was always grateful for the large number of anti aircraft guns etc.
installed to protect the gasworks.The recently published website with
the bomb hits shows the sticks of bombs directed at the works and the
landmine that I was told blew out all of our windows. I remember the
anderson shelter in the garden and the pieces of shrapnel and anti radar
aluminium "window" foil that I found in the garden for some years after
the war. In later years I played a sound effects record of the sirens
and was quite shocked to see how it upset my mother. I hate to think
what the legacy of the current Syrian conflict will be for its people. ... more >>
- Re: September 3rd
by Bob Burnard (Member 10252769) on 4-Sep-2013
September 3rd 1939 day i was christened
- Re: September 3rd
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Sep-2013
bob...bill...that's nice
- Re: September 3rd
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 4-Sep-2013
Bill you mention the landing
lights on aircraft at night i wonder if you remember the
piston engine aircaft of the 50s how there props disturbed the
tv pictures, remember seeing the first DH Comet come into
Heathrow before all the fatigue problems.
- Re: September 3rd
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Sep-2013
harrow Amersham..vintage steam metropolitan line trains weekend now....says London transport museum covent gdn..gt day out...
- Re: September 3rd
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Sep-2013
a year this week...miss baker
from uxbridge..school Ruislip...won 2 gold medals paralymp..her lovely
horse...on one show now bbc1.....double gold letter box
uxbridge...mbe...freedom of borough from mayor....good luckto her ..such
nice girl....Olympics...London..she loved and her mum dad.did
- Re: September 3rd
by Bill Henley (Member 10272156) on 5-Sep-2013
Yes I remember the old planes and
the excitement about the Comet. When the wind direction was suitable
the planes roared overhead very low on their approach to Heathrow. To
show my age, I also remember picking blackberries by the row of cottages
called Heathrow before the development of the aerodrome. My scout group
had photographs of camps nearby. In later years I toured the airport
runways as a guest in
the car of a worker there and went on a school trip to what is now the
old control tower. It was also very easy to cycle there and go to the
viewing gallery and wonder at the airport shops and restaurant. Any
purchases were well beyond my pocket. My first flight as a student was
from Luton in an ex WW2 transport prop aircraft flying to Berlin where I
ended up sleeping that night on a park bench. The start of another very
long story I am afraid. ... more >>
- Re: September 3rd
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 5-Sep-2013
I dont suppose you remember
the lockheed Constellation crash landing at Heathrow in the
mid 1950s, at this time as plane spotters we used to roam all
over the airport i dont think somehow you would get away
with it today. I visited the airport about 2 yrs. ago got
totaly lost took 1/2 hour to find my way out.
- Re: September 3rd
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 5-Sep-2013
interesting bill.hope to hear more..
- Re: September 3rd
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 5-Sep-2013
in google....items..list .2013
new car park southall...balloons.celebration..shows gate of southall
mkt...3/4 articles there millions cost new car pk..read see photos..in
google
- Re: September 3rd
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 5-Sep-2013
on the old cattle mkt.high
st.uxbridge rd southall opposite north rd....car pk..balloons there this
week gazette...new opened cost 2.5 million.cost.asked for yr2008..long
wait..attract tourism more .to tourist shops restaurants crowds
southall..visitors long time now..hotels etc..
- Re: September 3rd
by shelley nelhams (Member 10257723) on 5-Sep-2013
Hi just checked this board after
some time trying to locate a ron cox for my father JIM NELHAMS an email
was left but its no longer active.please can anyone contact me so I can
pass on email details direct to ron cox many thanks
- Re: September 3rd
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 5-Sep-2013
we have ron email...if to give you in a secure way
- Re: September 3rd
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 5-Sep-2013
8pm have sent ron message to
Australia..when he is able to see it..email just gone to him..he sees
the site with your sentence here
- Re: September 3rd
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 5-Sep-2013
Denis & Bill
Yes I remember the Lockheed Constellations, the "Superconnies" and the
TWA Starliners. These, the Viscounts and the Britannias were certainly
the best aircraft designs and it is a pity we didn't sell more
Britannias. The Vanguards came out 3 years too late. . . . . . . I was
there for the only known (and surprise) visit of a Sud-Est Armagnac
which I have mentioned before on these boards. I lost interest when the jets came. Caravelles were an attractive aircraft though.
Only a few days ago was the Shoreham Airshow. The Lancaster bomber
flew directly over Arundel where I am now on its way back. FABULOUS
engine sound! ... more >>
- Re: September 3rd
by Ronald Cox (Member 10259196) on 5-Sep-2013
Thank you Yvonne for the prompt.
Shelley my E` mail is ronfcox@gmail.com
Ron C
- Re: September 3rd
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 5-Sep-2013
she will see it here then ron..good....
- Re: September 3rd
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 5-Sep-2013
Shelley-my friend of long ago was Leslie Nelhams-a lovely man
- Re: September 3rd
by Bill Henley (Member 10272156) on 6-Sep-2013
It is so sad that we were at the
leading edge of aviation production in those early days and then as with
computers lost it all to the USA. My experience of Heathrow these days
is restricted to lurking at Cranford Park waiting for a phone call to
dash in and pick up family members. My trips to the airport have also
given me the chance to revisit and photograph parts of Southall and to
make a call at Ealing
library to look at the 1915 local papers. I have gone from having just
names in my grandfathers WW1 diary to seeing full obituaries and
photographs. I must now get back to follow some other leads including
the de Salis family who live at Dawley Park House. I remember Dawley
Wall as I cycled past the old EMI building towards Hillingdon but the
house has long gone. Is the wall still there? ... more >>
- Re: September 3rd
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Sep-2013
there is a photo of the famous
wall...still there dawley..famous hse....mine worked dawley
.botwell..1820 onwards..1860s moving into cranford lane Heston....farms
brickfields work....1960 gazette at ealing library for turner
- Re: September 3rd
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Sep-2013
lots sites in google..about the wall etc..dawley etc..in google.......http://hidden-london.com/gazetteer/dawley/
- Re: September 3rd
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 6-Sep-2013
Yes Bill you are right about
the loss of lead in industry after the war. I belive
there was an aggrement with America that Britain would build
military aircraft & America would make transport aircraft
which gave the USA a head start with such aircraft as the
DC3/C47 DC4/C54 the DC6 Connies & the B29 was transformed
into a passenger aircraft by adding a bubble to the top to carry passengers ... more >>
- Re: September 3rd
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 6-Sep-2013
Thanks for that Yvonne. Having
worked at EMI it amused me that in 1911 when The Gramophone Company
(later EMI)moved its headquarters to Blyth Road, it bought up all the
chickens in the naighbourhood to prevent their cackling being picked up
by the recording apparatus! I bet there were a few that they missed.
- Re: September 3rd
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Sep-2013
lovely photos board15...cattle
mkt demolished become southall now new car pk..cost 2.1 million.asked
for since 2008..tourists visitors.
restaurants shops southall.many yrs now..
- Re: September 3rd
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 6-Sep-2013
Sorry "naighbourhood" should be "neighbourhood".
- Re: September 3rd
by Bill Henley (Member 10272156) on 7-Sep-2013
Many thanks for the web link to
Dawley in Hidden London. My grandfather's WW1 diary refers to de Salis
falling off his horse and later of being wounded. I find that Jerome de
Salis became an officer in the Middlesex Regiment at the age of 18 in
1914. The class system really did dictate who were officer class and he
had men of 30s and 40s yrs of age under him. He was wounded in the head
about August 1915 and
died in a Lincolnshire hospital in October. He is buried in Harlington.
The census of 1911 shows him with his family and a number of servants
living at Dawley Court. In Hillingdon library many years ago there was a
print showing the grand Dawley house and the formal gardens. Since his
brother also died in the war, it is possible that the lack of heirs
contributed to the demise of the estate. ... more >>
- Re: September 3rd
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Sep-2013
yes the print of the court is in
google.....famous..dawley..uxbridge local history library closed for
year...but will be great at opening..lots of archive there photos
etc....for dawley Harlington hayes etc....
- Re: September 3rd
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Sep-2013
bill......type dawley house. .and
court...in google..Middlesex...and up come..half dozen.items to click
open....the famous print..1695 to 1711 of house gardens and
courtyard.....also Wikipedia in google.has the print of the house..save
as you can put it in your records..dawley and botwell became brickfields
brickmaking using the new canal...my crowd were there...censuses st
marys church book.......the mile long dawley wall ancient is still there heritage preserved...photo in google... ... more >>
- Re: September 3rd
by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 7-Sep-2013
From Victoria County History of Middlesex:
In 1735 Bolingbroke left England and by 1737 he was trying to sell
Dawley. The eventual purchaser, Edward Stephenson, seems to have lived
there for a while, but by the time Lord Uxbridge bought the property,
Stephenson had a tenant, named Abraham Hume. Uxbridge used the house
himself, and his successor, Lord Paget, had work done on it during his
short tenure: until this
time much of Bolingbroke's decorations and furniture had apparently
remained unchanged. The house was demolished soon after Paget sold it in
1772. The much smaller though still considerable house on the site in
the 19th century was said to have been formerly part of the out-offices.
It was not used by the de Salis family, who never lived in Harlington
parish, though from about 1835 to about 1929 they occupied the house
called Dawley Court (since demolished) in Corwell Lane, just outside the
north boundary of the parish. They leased their Dawley property, and
for some decades around 1800 Tattersall's may have been occupying it as a
stud-farm. In 1816 the house which had been made from the remains of
the Dawley House buildings was said to be a farm-house and it is later
known to have been occupied by the tenant of the surrounding land.
Another and less pretentious farm-house was later built to the south of
it. In 1929 Cecil Fane de Salis sold both houses with 23 acres of land
to what was then the Gramophone Co. of Hayes. The farm-house was
demolished and Dawley House was allowed to fall into decay. It was
finally demolished several years before 1959. The only visible relic of
the house and park is now the brick wall which runs, with gaps, north
from the E.M.I. factory to the end of the old parish and estate
boundary. This appears to be substantially of 18thcentury brickwork.
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=22361 ... more >>
- Re: September 3rd
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Sep-2013
that's lovely thanks colin..good read thanks
- Re: September 3rd
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Sep-2013
Greenford church oldfield lane
off the high st......5pm..today songs praise tv...bill turnball..hollies
star sings old rugged cross..peter Howarth of the 60s group.....antique
roadshow Eastbourne beach front....leslie crowther of kids crackerjack
11.15 pm itv.
- Re: September 3rd
by Bill Henley (Member 10272156) on 8-Sep-2013
Many thanks for the links to
information and images ref. Dawley. I must investigate further. It is
very difficult to imagine Southall and the surrounding area before the
canal and railway. They are physical features that have really defined
the development of the area and cut across estates such as Dawley.
Cranford Park has been similarly changed by the M4 etc. It is a shame
that the historic cellars
there are collapsing and are out of bounds. I remember going into the
tunnels in the walled HaHa but they were blocked up some way in and are
now blocked at the entrances. Lucinda Lampton referred to secret tunnels
from the demolished Cranford house and there were steel shutters
covering an entrance of some sort in the ground. It is difficult now to
see inside the church as it is generally locked but I did like the tudor
monument and the connection with the crusades. I have some old colour
transparencies of the inside that I took when I first had a camera. I
have an early 1900s postcard showing the Splash that is now the site of a
large roundabout and adjacent to Tescos. ... more >>
- Re: September 3rd
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Sep-2013
have old ones of splash ..my dad
family kids played there 1918 yrs....put your and slides on a flickr
free site like denis sexton did...member on here ..then we can all
see...on flickr.....grey lady ghost cranford 2013 Hounslow council done
lots to cranford stables ..ha-ha...church there guided walks and nature
talk walks.....berkeley loads in google photos etc
cranford...........mine geneolgy..bapt
norwood green church 1802 so just see the old norwood southall
etc..hayes dawley botwell 1820 bapt hayes st mary so they just see as
start and before canal dug..irish navvies in tents..moving on......1837
rail....fields everywhere ford splash at yeading brook river
crane...before bulls bridge built...one mine horse keeper bulls tow path
1861.......my aunt dad along canal dwelling 1914 onwards she said
fields everywhere...ran across to cranford lane to relatives...workhouse
1803 to 1839...in google..southall green Featherstone rd was workhse
lane feathers farm behind kids sent out to work there.........dread of
wkhse...1800 vicar book says only 33 dwelling hamlet of southall
green..............with manor hse and romans gentry hse..and
Featherstone hall..........4 farms only southall green yrs 1800s.then
new canal bursts through....brit hist online in google good
read............mr meads book in google ..good read......... ... more >>
- Re: September 3rd
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Sep-2013
board15..last week gazette 30 yrs gt sales of McEwan book..all local areas southall etc
- Re: September 3rd
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 8-Sep-2013
Thats interesting songs of
praise i lived round the corner from Peter Howarth he
whent to the same night club i did in the 60/70/80 when i
lived in Lancashire the Hollys played at the Imperial
ballroom famous
- Re: September 3rd
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 8-Sep-2013
Thats interesting songs of
praise i lived round the corner from Peter Howarth he
whent to the same night club i did in the 60/70/80 when i
lived in Lancashire the Hollys played at the Imperial
ballroom famous
- Re: September 3rd
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 8-Sep-2013
Thats interesting songs of
praise i lived round the corner from Peter Howarth he
whent to the same night club i did in the 60/70/80 when i
lived in Lancashire the Hollys played at the Imperial
ballroom famous in the north for such groups as the Beatles
Kinks. Dusty Springfield, & a lot of Tamla Mo town stares
- Re: September 3rd
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Sep-2013
gt peter that's gt....we both liked hollies.a lot..he was good today singing on tv..that's good denis..
- Re: September 3rd
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 8-Sep-2013
Most of the Hollys came frome Pendle (Nelson) Lancashire.
- Re: September 3rd
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Sep-2013
my hubby from Hounslow Feltham
never knew..of local hollies was suprised gt.......searchers..lead
singer .in hubbys 6th form with him..Hounslow grammar springgrove..we
went to see them sing lampton pk..lots west London artists...gt for west
London 60s etc....thriving record buyers..clubs etc...buzzing in the
60s locally.....
- Re: September 3rd
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Sep-2013
http://www.traditionsofsuffolk.com/index.php?page=NLDVD35%20Donald%20Steel
in google Suffolk man book..auctioneer back to his gdad southall horse
mkt..market.royal charter from 1660s..earl jersey also gave.land
...southall one of 2 the main ones London middx markets animals...famous
southall as one of only two main.ones..whole middx London...in
google....
- Re: September 3rd
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Sep-2013
towards the end of 30mins.....3
bridges early colour film.....tv.freeview today..8.30 pm...bbc4 channel
9....rural nice green quiet area colour of old 3 bridges old
film..there...and the regent canal going through the zoo..Britain on
film.1 out of 10 episodes..1st one...boat show there old film at earls
court...closed now becoming flats..
series 2..messing about in boats..with ornaments of narrowboats huge painted canal design flowers items..custom..folk art... ... more >>
- Re: September 3rd
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 11-Sep-2013
EVERYTHING is becoming flats
Yvonne. Apparently, if you ask people who live in the flats where
Perivale Maternity Hospital was, they'll tell you they've never heard of
it, yet they live on the very site where it used to be!! . So many
people have moved into the area now who have no idea at all just how
lovely West Middlesex used to be in our own lifetimes!
- Re: September 3rd
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Sep-2013
photos..1987/9 ish demolish
Perivale my cousin daughter born there....new ealing hospital
built....yes lots flats......3 horseshoes opposite southall town.hall
sold..going to be new shops flat above....pub built 1914 stop then
finished 1918/9.....
.on the site of the 1850 pub...
- Re: September 3rd
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 12-Sep-2013
Thank goodness we've got some
good photos of the Three Horseshoes on our Southallboards, and also on
Google. That was one of the landmarks in Southall High Street,
especially being on the corner opposite the Town Hall. Can still
visualise "Spike" the copper hanging around outside the pub and keeping
an eye on all the kids who got up to mischief! Happy days.
- Re: September 3rd
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 12-Sep-2013
My old Southall friend Howard
Pullen(sadly no longer with us) had his wedding reception at the Three
Horshoes as I recall-mid 50's
- Re: September 3rd
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Sep-2013
local lady few weeks ago went in
saw landlord manager....he had old sign swinging type..on floor back
yard he gave it to her...she has in her garden....my gdad uncles would
be amazed..land,mark trafficlights,..main heart crossrds of
southall...it is winding down with solicitors..exchanged
contracts......new car park opened this week along a bit..on old cattle
mkt site.......if built 1914 100yr heritage
protected was famous parr pub designers architect ..but war stop build
so finished 1918/9..unfortunately.comes out of antigue heritage
law..quirk of fate.law does not bend....
....but northcote 1907.listed protected law....but like many .fire burnt it down..... ... more >>
- Re: September 3rd
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Sep-2013
pub interiors porch front door etc etc 3 horseshoes scroll down couple photos...it is there....
http://www.flickriver.com/places/United+Kingdom/England/London/Dormer%27s+Wells/search/
- Re: September 3rd
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Sep-2013
good film..google...there go the
boats..by british transport films......1951...canal...so much in
it...swing bridge......... spikes bridge was pre 1934
- Re: September 3rd
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Sep-2013
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnrO6Nb3qQo&list=PLEC1784C3CE826462&index=1
canal
- Re: September 3rd
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Sep-2013
town house pub ealing
broadway....in google and photos new corner there now...it is metro
bank...huge corner......originally ancient feathers pub.....
- Re: September 3rd
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Sep-2013
excellent film...in google..the
best...2nd half is the most.....1930s huge davies timber southall
canal...bulls bridge 1930s those working...nestle..so much....dockshuge
busy. barges...grand union...through southall...birmingham etc...venice
London........in google ..canal boats .grand union canal 1930s..film
number 8598 of Huntley archive.....
- Re: September 3rd
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Sep-2013
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAJDnm30h_k&list=PLEC1784C3CE826462&index=13
canal 1930s grand union..southall etc there
- Re: September 3rd
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 13-Sep-2013
Tap in "Images for Three Horseshoes Southall Middlesex". Also lots of photos of the pub and others.
- Re: September 3rd
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 13-Sep-2013
I remember the lumber yards along
the Grand Union. Really fascinating places, lovely smells of wood.
Around 1960, many were as they had been 30 years earlier, full of old
machinery and where the barges (a few still did in 1960) tied up
- Re: September 3rd
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-Sep-2013
thanks...Pauline ..keith..thanks
- Re: September 3rd
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 13-Sep-2013
All of our Southallboards are knocked out at the moment. They are working on it!
- Re: September 3rd
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-Sep-2013
yes all morning..in general all others also are.......but my one
the link given...is rare nearly 10 photos interiors also...rare tiles of
porch entrance area etc..parr famous pub architect..tiles of 2
fireplaces..salvage should preserve for southall ealing museum..not just
sell of...or smash .stained glass etc..
- Re: September 3rd
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-Sep-2013
in google.....3
horseshoes....because pubs near farrier smithy....one leg being
shod.....sleep..rest..on 3 legs..alternate....we saw our lovely suffolks
at fete..chesnut gloss shiny...huge weight...helps rest the
legs..oldest part of one 3 horseshoes pub yr1520....
- Re: September 3rd
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-Sep-2013
its
back....now.......Pauline.....in google .oldest 3 horseshoes pub in
country side 1520.....named near farrier or smithy.....ours by leggetts
southall.......sleep or rest 3 legs to share weight...and 3 legs down
when being shod....we saw our fete suffolks beauty chesnut..on 3 legs
resting.....
- Re: September 3rd
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-Sep-2013
if you do...british pathe
...movie tone..films youtube in google....long list southall
films...1935...1955...1964....all yrs....lots closeups faces kids
etc...in google...events people..etc...
- Re: September 3rd
by penny (Member 10265839) on 14-Sep-2013
Have just finished reading
"Maidens' Trip" by Emma Smith which is a true account of her interview
in Hayes then a wartime adventure on the Grand Union Canal between
Bulls Bridge and Coventry/Birmingham. Emma Smith is now 91 but has
written 2 more books about her upbringing between the two wars, then
during WWII - "The Great Western Beach" and "As Green as Grass". They
are fascinating for all the
period detail of her family - parents, sister and two brothers plus the
many other relatives from far and wide. I borrowed my copies from the
local library. ... more >>
- Re: September 3rd
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-Sep-2013
thankyou penny will have
look,,,1930s film..grandunion southall hayes etc.....in google to view
free.....and another one there at later yr....xxx
- Re: September 3rd
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-Sep-2013
thanks penny...great reads of it
in google...1943 London to Birmingham and back trip...steel...coal
etc..2 72 ft long narrowboats...3 18 yr old girl..join boater
families..men gone to war...she wrote it fast 1948 to get money..was
poor..200 pages.was 2010 bbc 4 play..can hear in iplayer...pbk £9..nice
cover of 9/10 girls 1943.on barge...they had reunion..91 yrs old lady
she talks of her 1st book...wrote
about3/4....this maiden trip..in daily mail..read..in google...will
keep reading thanks penny...blue scarlet paint folk art barge
items....some...see today...lovely art work..preserved today.....plaited
hair men choker scarf..gold earings.sunburnt faces..women look elderly
but still youngish women..hard work....1970 last coal run to
southall..kearley jam dock..biscuits brent rd.closed...ole jam
ole.....but they come back memorial trips....100 yrs more of
cargo...southall hayes factories.....their photos memories in
google..... ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-Sep-2013
her autobiog bks...in google...go
with it.well.....bucket spade newquay..dad war hero 1st war..but move
Plymouth bank clerk..he went to mental trouble..she age 16...m15
Blenheim palace.but bored..joins 1943 war wk..canal.5 siblings she
had.she born 1923...grass is greener bk....and gt western beach......sad
love In paris..so writes 4 bks..goes india with film writing..lives
Chelsea..photo of her 90/91....canal bk maiden trip wrote1948 for quick money 200pages...telegraph etc good articles in google ... more >>
- Re: September 3rd
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 15-Sep-2013
TV last night Polish 303 squd. Northolt B.O.B very good, highest score of any squd. in the battle
- Re: September 3rd
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Sep-2013
yes saw all of it very gd
indeed..Northolt....their orchard pub nearby..gt poles..at
memorial..huge group gather..museum over yr now at Northolt poles glass
cabinets displays...
- Re: September 3rd
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 15-Sep-2013
Thanks Yvonne could not remember the local pub name they used.
- Re: September 3rd
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Sep-2013
yes walk or big..to...orchard
pubballroom dances...behind the Ruislip high st shops..left side..west
side...on the road to Ickenham..old lane...lots photos of it in google
yr 1940s....
- Re: September 3rd
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 15-Sep-2013
Talking of pubs i was in
Southall this morning stopped & took pics of Three Horse
Shoes before it goes it looks to still be open Southall
center just will not be the same. I know there ar lots of
pics of it but will post anyway on my photoboard.
- Re: September 3rd
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Sep-2013
yes ..says landlord there open
while solicitors do paper work...gd photos thanks denis will
look....thanks..new tarmac car pk...along at the old cattle mkt high
gate fence..entry.....new opened week ago...
- Re: September 3rd
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Sep-2013
your photos gd....1948 /54///1954/8good lady marg dormers
and guiness clock devon 1954 gt..
- Re: September 3rd
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 15-Sep-2013
Yes took a look at the new
car park looks very diffrent from the Saturday market i
used to go to with mum.
- Re: September 3rd
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Sep-2013
they had balloons mayor etc there for 1st day high gate fence.gazette photo.carpk
- Re: September 3rd
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 16-Sep-2013
Thanks for the pictures of "The
Three Horseshoes" on your photostream d.sexton428 Denis. At least we've
got the very last ones of this once thriving, lovely old pub. Southall
won't look the same without it.
- Re: September 3rd
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 16-Sep-2013
Thanks Pauline glad you like.
- Re: September 3rd
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Sep-2013
thanks..and round the right south
side...wall of it......large area land there................excellent
tonight tv..11pm.freeview 19...ewan McGregor...battle Britain..Northolt
.uxb..biggin hill...Churchill speech never field human conflict so much
owed to so few...on leaving uxb bunker ops hq.then repeated in hse
commons...spit hurricane huge models at Northolt..polish war memorial
annual sept ceremony....ewan
flies a spit..and speaks to the few vets left...photo of concorde last
flight to heathrow event...goes over Hounslow barracks..300yr old
barracks ... more >>
- Re: September 3rd
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 17-Sep-2013
Forgot pic of Holy Trinity Hall for anyone who has not been in Southall for a long time d.sexton428.
- Re: September 3rd
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 17-Sep-2013
My goodness, that looks nothing
like the old Holy Trinity Hall that I remember at the top of Lady
Margaret road. This one looks a bit like a Mosque.
- Re: September 3rd
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 17-Sep-2013
yes been mosque long
time..now.....right the wall corner of 1900s town hall built.....holy
trinity hall went long time ago......thanks photos denis gt..cattle mkt
given charter yr 1698..2013 turned into carpk....2 main cattle animal
mkts of the gt county of middx..southall was one of the main 2...1922 3
horseshoes opened...1914 war took long time..build on of war yrs .on
site of old one of 1800s yrs.....
- Re: September 3rd
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 17-Sep-2013
David Sextons photographs-wonderful collection Dave-agree with Pauline on Holy Trinity Hall.
It was there when at Sunday School pre-war I misbehaved, and was made to sit in a girl's class!!
- Re: September 3rd
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 17-Sep-2013
Thanks Michael, yes remember mum telling one of the oldest charted cattle markets
- Re: September 3rd
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 17-Sep-2013
Michael somehow i dont think that would be allowed today.
- Re: September 3rd
by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 17-Sep-2013
Just to be strictly correct Holy
Trinity Hall is now a Hindu Temple not a mosque, likewise the old St
John's Hall in King Street is also a Hindu Temple.
- Re: September 3rd
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 17-Sep-2013
Thanks for that Colin. I can
still see St John's church in South road in my mind's eye. It always had
a large Notice board in front with "God is Love" on it I think, with
iron railings around it. I suppose that lovely old tree that was always
there in my childhood has long gone now. There was a pub opposite (the
name escapes me at present). I suppose that has also gone?
- Re: September 3rd
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 17-Sep-2013
Just remembered the pub. It was the Havelock Arms.
- Re: September 3rd
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 17-Sep-2013
Havelock pub opposite now betting
office.inside it...yes big brightblue board outside church.....tonight
bbc1..at the end..new tricks...gt whole photos filming of whole of
bankside area..southall 5 swans...gas holder in background.....row of
all terraced..houses...arrested the murderer there..at his
door....................also.they have filmed before oldfield lane
Greenford..............
- Re: September 3rd
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Sep-2013
friars lawn norwood green up for
sale again..Hayley mills.lived......mr selfridge lived..1780
Georgian..mansion....goes for million..or more....8 bedrooms..tall in
all old photos...new white villa built along a bit went for jan
2013..995000...the norwood hall along..was famous horticult college...is
now Sikh school huge grounds..yr 1800 place....sultan brunei.windmill
lane villa huge and swim pool huge gates ..east side of osterley hse grounds.. ... more >>
- Re: September 3rd
by Jean Kirby (Member 10268700) on 20-Sep-2013
Pauline: It's sad to see that the
tree by the church hall opposite the Havelock Arms in King Street has
indeed gone, in fact the only thing there now is a type of mural in
bright colours. It really is sad to see the memories of our childhood
have disappeared. My husband and I were shocked to see that so much of
our childhood had gone when we visited Southall last year.
- Re: September 3rd
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Sep-2013
kings hall closed
jan.boarded..they cant afford upkeep repairs..built 1916...march they
went to downing st to protest building needs to be listed
preserved.....3 horseshoes solicitor dealing with...open for a while
till decide who will take over the land the site..to become
what...palace cinema..indoor mkt......cattle mkt closed then.sept 2013
opened as a tarmac car pk......Havelock pub.betting office.......redlion
pub Greenford becoming flats....now.....dominion went arts centre built
there..victory pub king Prussia now hotel.built on site....3 tuns
pub.now hotel.....southall library .now run by private
concern.......manor hse being preserved 2012 /3 ... more >>
- Re: September 3rd
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Sep-2013
2012 street view free in google camera van goes everywhere ...can see all..............
- Re: September 3rd
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Sep-2013
2012 street view free in google camera van goes everywhere ...can see all..............
- Re: September 3rd
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Sep-2013
2012 street view free in google camera van goes everywhere ...can see all................
- Re: September 3rd
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 22-Sep-2013
Jean - Thank you for the news
about that lovely old tree in the grounds of St John's church. I guessed
it would be gone. I last visited Southall in 2000 with my brother
David, who is no longer with us. He asked me what I would like to do on
my birthday, and I said I'd love to see Southall for the last time. We
didn't get as far as "over the other side" of Southall. We did manage to
see Northcote Avenue
where we lived in our childhood, and then our old Tudor road school
where both David and I were in the infants and junior schools. In fact,
it was a bit of an emotional trip when I stood looking at the boys'
school in the playground. It was exactly the same except that the
benches and overhead shelter was gone where the boys sat when it was
raining. Even the windows were the same. I was so overjoyed to see it
again that I caught my foot in a pothole outside the school and took a
full length tumble. It was a good job that I landed on my bosom,
although I did badly hurt my ribs! My brother suggested he took me home
but I refused as I knew I'd never visit it again. We then saw our
beloved Spikes Bridge and the canal and park where we both spent
countless hours in our youth.
The bridge had changed from the criss-cross one with wooden planks that
we knew, and the ledge we had both walked across on the outside was now
gone. All the lovely reeds and bullrushes that used to grow alongside
the canal had vanished, and it looked so different without all the
greenery. In fact, it looked a different place. However, Spikes bridge
park still had its running track, but the bowling green opposite the
Pavilion was gone. The pavilion itself had been painted in anti-graffiti
paint and it looked beautiful and white. The rose beds which used to be
beneath the raised bowling green were still there, and it reminded me
of all the times we girls as children used to gather the rose petals to
make scent. I must admit it never ever smelt of scent! The playground
was still there and the tennis courts where we used to climb over during
the war to collect the shrapnel that had dropped the night before. We
next visited Lady Margaret road where Dr Ginsborg, our family doctor,
had his surgery. We had to thank him for my brother's life - twice, when
he was a baby. So sad he only lived a few weeks after his retirement.
Visited Southall Grammar school where we both went, although I was only
there for two years as I had to earn my keep. It looked the same except
there were cars parked everywhere ... more >>
- Re: September 3rd
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 22-Sep-2013
(This bit was left off). When we
glanced at where the Palace had been, I suddenly realised that our
beloved Southall had indeed changed. I wouldn't have missed the trip for
anything. I forgot to mention that our school alley from Dane road,
through Lancaster road (past where Wimpeys was) to the back of Tudor
road school, was still there, just the same as it always was! It was
such a comfort.
- Re: September 3rd
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Sep-2013
lovely memories.....the other day
just north side of spikes bridge..load noise as fish jumped out of the
canal for insects..then..circling ring as went back in with a
splash....bullrushes reeds up there..on the nature pond..of the old hole
of the brickmaking..dug out..heron..regularily there ..pair
swans..coots mallards.seagulls..cormorant...some parakeets in high
mobile phone mast they have built..nest on top.
- Re: September 3rd
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Sep-2013
just think .all the school kids
through the alleys to tudor rd school...1930s and before....and to
2013..busy alleys..and over from spikes bridge......open day southall
police station today as usual...motorbikes kids get to go on..and photos
out at spikes pk canal swans also..there...
https://twitter.com/EalingMPS/media/grid
- Re: September 3rd
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 22-Sep-2013
Pauline that takes me back
i used to go through the Dane Road alley to meet dad when
he finished work at Wimpeys in my peddle car then race him
on hes bike back through Spikes bridge Park to Lady
Margaret Road.
- Re: September 3rd
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 22-Sep-2013
That's a lovely memory to have Denis. That's something no-one can take away from us all - our memories of Southall.
- Re: September 3rd
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 22-Sep-2013
Thank you Pauline thats what our Southall site is about.
- Re: September 3rd
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Sep-2013
9000 on the beaches...one
show..dday...today..bbc 1..at 7pm...aerial shot of carve memorial in
sand 9000 lost lives...see it...denis............moving
- Re: September 3rd
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 24-Sep-2013
Yes thanks Yvonne i watched it very moveing.
- Re: September 3rd
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Sep-2013
yes it is in gooogle..photos..of
sandsculpture there huge one..then this weekend the low flat sand
figuresj.9000 of them...so good..
- Re: September 3rd
by Bill Henley (Member 10272156) on 24-Sep-2013
I was very sad recently to see St
John's Church so run down along with the attached buildings and the
Havelock Road Cemetery. I was surprised then to find this very positive
web page at http://www.stjohnsouthall.org.uk . When I visited, itI
was unclear whether original St John's church still had any function and
the 1910 church was closed and looking very sad. I remember the hall
next to the old church
for colour slides of travel etc at a time when any such pictures (and
especially in colour) were a novel event. As an aside, opposite the new
church used to be a firm producing crumpets and on a Sunday a man with a
tray of crumpets and a bell would come down Brent Road selling his
wares. ... more >>
- Re: September 3rd
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Sep-2013
wonder where those coloured
slides are now..be nice to see....yes old st john..1837 to
1909/10,,,,,too small...so new st john built 1909....www....expect that
is the new st john web site...services couple photos inside bright
blue.decor..etc.....seen in google........wrote to them yr ago ask what
for at old st john..no reply.from them........it is closed locked
up..tombs .there.but the ..hall always been open used by Asian church groups...on right west side next door to it........ ... more >>
- Re: September 3rd
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 25-Sep-2013
Bill - You mentioning crumpets
reminds me that a man used to come round on a Sunday in Bankside in 1936
ringing his bell with a tray on his head, shouting "Muffins &
Crumpets". I remember it quite clearly, as he used to walk right to the
bottom of the road where we lived.
- Re: September 3rd
by Chris (Member 10220786) on 25-Sep-2013
I remember muffin man too. He used to come down Grove Terrace. Also remember a Cockle and Winkle man.
Chris x
- Re: September 3rd
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 25-Sep-2013
He also came down Somerset Road to Lady Margaret Road as well.
- Re: September 3rd
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Sep-2013
cockle winkle man also outside
northcote pubs sunday lunchtimes many yrs..he brought home..for sunday
tea with breadbutter....muscles whelks jellied eels..needle to get black
head of winkles..vinegar.
- Re: September 3rd
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Sep-2013
today have been working on
northcote pub at last....re roofing..it..now..... .after fire burnt out
roof so very long now....so wait see what becomes....
- Re: September 3rd
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Sep-2013
denis....did you hear
anything......1940 pupil st ann..now 80...said was marker plaque in the
grounds...covered well spring.....said..it was the origin..of the town
name hanwell.......but springfield rd....if just their spring......the
main..the spring.building.....is by church rd vicarage..hermitage
,church,, bunny pk....says is the irigin ..well spring..of the name
hanwell......huge flooding river brent.....so st ann..was there any photo...of this plaque.there .of the well they had there.....
have emailed..but different place now...library may know ... more >>
- Re: September 3rd
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Sep-2013
historian.in here
link...google..says..hanwell the town had it s.....town pump..and the
town well ..in st ann grounds.springwell
rd....1915.hanwell..............my 1940 pupil said it was covered with
plaque marker to say about well...wish had photo of it..and
info.......did you hear of it
denis......http://edithsstreets.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/river-brent-hanwell.html
- Re: September 3rd
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Sep-2013
denis...another link in
google......halfacre viaduct pub.uxbridge rd..nearby the....town pump
well..in grounds of st ann..school..............but origin of the
hamlet.of hanwell .is yr 1100 church hanwell church rd by bunny
pk...hermitage ..the spring dwelling...the green hundreds yrs had
pond........so well springs there..river brent meanders
floods........http://www.mazefind.co.uk/cgi-bin/cms/ohra.pl?content_id=1226580660
... more >>
- Re: September 3rd
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 27-Sep-2013
Thanks Yvonne sorry dont know
anything about the plaque, but i am certain dad told me
the village pump you mention is now on the Uxbridge Road
next to the bus stop where the West Middx golf course
hedge is, as you say this could be the start of the name
Hanwell(Handwell).
- Re: September 3rd
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Sep-2013
yes southall water pump by bus
stop..north side ..top of the dormers comlex of springdale
dip....ponds..extended areas there of golf course......yes has been
confirmed st ann school hanwell had the town water pump..well
spring....just north of uxbridge rd...it was the town water
pump..because...just north of main rd uxbridge coaches
London..rd..behind the famous coach horses became viaduct..pub..........friend
when 1940 at st ann.girls school...she..saw plaque marker on the water
covered well pump..there...in the school..........hanewelle...saxon
times origin..of the village.....river brent loads floods..wells
springs..tributaries.....st ann slightly different school now but still
there open.....no photo of the well plaque though
yet....thanks..lovely... ... more >>
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Jonathan Oates book "Southall
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by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 20-Aug-2013
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On p 25 of this book is a photograph of two cottages on the junction of
Meadow Road and North Road. This brought back a memory from when I
lived in North Road.(1933-1951). It would have been in the 1930's, and
our cat went missing. I called on various neighbours seeking him-finally
found him in one of the cottages,stretched out on the hearth rug,
having demolished a saucer of milk!
It must have been a few years later when the cottages were pulled down. ... more >>
- Re: Jonathan Oates book
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Aug-2013
gt milk ..mike..yes they do like their comfort and will go anywhere..make themselves at home....ha......xx
- Re: Jonathan Oates book
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Aug-2013
please....mike...denis.....what
were the house names also colours of boys school dormers wells.....I
know the 6 girls of school.......boys.olympians..Spartans..were there
6..what colours....thankyou...very grateful to you...so kind..best
wishes...as always......southall grammar..curie...scott...keller..and
other ones not known....thankyou...
- Re: Jonathan Oates book
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 21-Aug-2013
As far as I can remember, our
class names in 1943 at Southall County School were alpha, beta, gamma,
delta. Can't remember the school colours.
- Re: Jonathan Oates book
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Aug-2013
lovely thanks Pauline...so later
at the 50s 60s.probably changed...............wonder what dormers were
after the merge 1967....boys with girls new comprehensives..wonder what
the house names colours were.....my hubbys grammar...were navy..4
houses...nelson..drake .Collingwood.etc
- Re: Jonathan Oates book
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Aug-2013
yes hubbys form classes called
alpha beta etc...............the sports games.at dormers..were very much
the house names.........badges worn.by house captains..blue for
darling..red for fry..yellow for nightingale..white for curie..mauve for
cavell..green for slessor.......then southall grammar sports captains
of houses were .curie..keller..scott..after famous people..
- Re: Jonathan Oates book
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Aug-2013
Pauline..there is a very young
age .vague memory of somebody.that..going to tudor rd school...via
northcote ave through an alley...near norman ave.....that in the back
garden there .a huge bird raven..was..kept...ring any bells to
you...ha...ha..
- Re: Jonathan Oates book
by Bill Henley (Member 10272156) on 21-Aug-2013
This may have been mentioned before but the Ham paintings of Southall are easily viewable at:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/arts/yourpaintings/paintings/search/painted_by/ham-ernest-a-l-18741958
I struggle to identify the location of some of them but they are a super
record of the area around 1900. It is also interesting to search your
current home locality. I have just found an interesting Stanley Spencer painting of a local farm of which I was unaware. ... more >>
- Re: Jonathan Oates book
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Aug-2013
spencer lovely we have been to
his cookham...ham..right of painting says location..let us know which
you need..explain...can help..73 gt paintings by ham...some at Hounslow
library by him..also...2 yrs have loved these paintings gt on line..see
real thing ealing library......
- Re: Jonathan Oates book
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Aug-2013
bill........half way through all
the many..spencer on line....not found local farm yet........does it
have title date..where location of painting being held////please
grateful..thanks.........would love to see.......go through the other
half paintings now..spencer on line..hundreds...lots cookham..farms
etc.......
- Re: Jonathan Oates book
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Aug-2013
bill......have sent email to
spencer.organisation.....ask farm where date,,,where painting held...ask
to see picture of it...and what farm where...200 online have been
through titled.read all but..cant see it bill..........but he did many
long yrs many....
- Re: Jonathan Oates book
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 21-Aug-2013
Yvonne have racked my brain
remembering Dormers school house was in will dig my school
report out & see if its in there. Will post pics of Lady
Marg, & Dormers report books on photoboard.
- Re: Jonathan Oates book
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 21-Aug-2013
No Yvonne, I don't remember any ravens in anybody's back garden.
- Re: Jonathan Oates book
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Aug-2013
lovely will look denis.....ok
raven thanks Pauline..unlikely famous artist like spencer did southall
or local farm.of around there.......lots of cookham..abroad... Suffolk
cornwall.etc portraits..etc.
- Re: Jonathan Oates book
by Bill Henley (Member 10272156) on 21-Aug-2013
Here is the link to the Spencer painting:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/arts/yourpaintings/paintings/farm-pond-leonard-stanley-201987
He lived at Leonard Stanley for awhile. The farm yard is still
recognisable today with the a number of buildings being holiday lets.
The far building on the left (you can only see the roof) is a Saxon
Church. The building currently used a a workshop. The later large Norman Church was part of a dissolved priory and is adjacent to the farm.
I am still trying to trace the Turner watercolours of Southall that were
published in the Gazette in the 1960s. These were in addition to the
well known Windmill painting.
... more >>
- Re: Jonathan Oates book
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Aug-2013
ah...saw one farm pond......so will go with your info...thanks..yes saw one called farm pond..will look reply when can thanks
bill good of you....ta
- Re: Jonathan Oates book
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Aug-2013
not got to your link yet.....but
turner massive and experts tate gallery millbank by thames...they would
know be able to find out...........he lived while with his uncle
Brentford.......plaque on wall of house.........gt programme tv turner
weeks ago videoed..watched it 3 times so good...life and all his famous
work..life.and skill..so interesting..bbc think...
- Re: Jonathan Oates book
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Aug-2013
gazette published.....must be
from ealing library info....1960s.published....southall
library....ealing has archive of gazette...dr oates librarian email in
google..he would tell you of it all.....been there 15 yrs ish..he is
very gd..local history library section..has written well used books on
southall etc..he has.....gazette wrote of so library may have
photographs of the m...or prints of them///1960s
they supply the research to gazette..still do dr oates does weekly work
for gazette retro..archive etc..collections..photos paintings
etc.maps...many many yrs local collections...new building ealing
broadway.....open 7days week..evenings also...... ... more >>
- Re: Jonathan Oates book
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Aug-2013
just type it straight into
google...farm pond leonard Stanley village Gloucestershire.........by
Stanley spencer...he lived there a few times.white hart inn with
friends....painted 5 landscapes..there...oil on canvas....given to the
tate gallery..by levy family 1990.....1939 there 1940 painting...he died
1959......picture of it large in google...Gloucestershire village
called.leonard Stanley...east of m5 motorway...west of stroud...near bath rd....Cotswolds........farm pond..painting.... ... more >>
- Re: Jonathan Oates book
by Ronald Cox (Member 10259196) on 21-Aug-2013
Dormers colours for boys
1943-1947 was maroon and white. The soccer team used these colours in
the shirts which were pre war rugby shirts used at dormers. They were
hoop coloured and there is a picture of teams wearing them in Friends
and Southall Knowhere. one is rugby the other soccer. I do not remember
house names being used in those years.
- Re: Jonathan Oates book
by Ronald Cox (Member 10259196) on 21-Aug-2013
Not Knowhere but in Flifr
Ron
- Re: Jonathan Oates book
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Aug-2013
lovely thanks ron...gt...yes on
flickr the sports boys dormers...and friends reunited.....yes be
1960s..the others were thinking of house names in dormers girls
school....perhaps couple of names used at dormers boys also like
that.....later 1960s..great enjoyment for you your young school sport
rugby soccer....lovely...big field at the back was
dormers....thankyou...best wishes to the family and you.....big thankyou..always..xxx
... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Aug-2013
something you would know
Pauline...streetview with the side alley ..alleys to municipal pk
spikes.....spikes bridge rd one..and also..one from..nearer dane
rd......into the bridge....and the other one into the side along a
bit..into the park..and became annexe for the elderly,in there hedges
around.. and..off to pavilion etc.....2 alleys...into the south side..of
your area of the park...between the houses....but.used the main gate often myself...ha..... ... more >>
- Re: Jonathan Oates book
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Aug-2013
photos on board 15...one alley opposite Viking rd...spikes rd..2 alleys into..pk and,,,
bridge...
- Re: Jonathan Oates book
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 22-Aug-2013
To my knowledge Yvonne, there was
only ever one alleyway into Spikes Bridge and the canal. If you look
closely at the two photos on Southallboard15, you will see that on the
older photo on the right hand side, "Spikes Bridge road" sign is fixed
to the wooden fence. The photo on the left hand side is a later photo,
and has "Spikes Bridge road" sign attached to the street lamp post. If
you look at the chimney
on the left hand photo, there are exactly the same TV aerials etc. with a
few more added. The white building at the end of the left hand photo
was never there when we were kids. Also, the notice board on the left
hand photo was obviously attached at a much later date than when we used
that alleyway. Also, there were a few additions on the left hand photo
(the later one) eg. a satellite dish added. It's also got the same "H"
fire hydrant sign on both lamp posts. ... more >>
- Re: Jonathan Oates book
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Aug-2013
lovely thanks...2 families living
along there but later yrs ..few and mayo.thought 2 ...but I only
remember one...I went in the alley...the path from the alley swooped
round and over the bridge...but on my right..the gate went into the back
corner there of the park.....then path inside the park.going gradually
along to he big main gates opposite west ave...path had high
hedges..bushes growth..bit spooky walked that bit quickly....they say that became...old peoples annexe
place....thankyou gt...photos are ..all kinds..15....yes your .study is wonderful thanks ... more >>
- Re: Jonathan Oates book
by Ronald Cox (Member 10259196) on 22-Aug-2013
There were portable type
buildings in the park adjacent to Spikes Bridge Rd used as a coucil
child minding center. Not sure if there was an access from Spikes Bridge
Rd.Time wise late in war years or just after.
- Re: Jonathan Oates book
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Aug-2013
yes ron..in the 50s...there were
annexe buildings..in the west going towards the back section of the
pk....children..then later the elderly...thanks..best wishes....
- Re: Jonathan Oates book
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 23-Aug-2013
Ron the nursery is sill there it is next to the new pavillion there is a pic on my photoboard.
- Re: Jonathan Oates book
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 23-Aug-2013
Thanks for your pictures of the
new Pavilion and nursery Denis. There are some lovely ones on your
Flicker d.sexton428 flicker. I looked at the picture of the Manor House
pond which was restored in 2012 and thought that the pond didn't look as
nice as the one we used to see in our childhood with all the lovely
white water lillies in bloom.
- Re: Jonathan Oates book
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Aug-2013
Pauline .mike ron denis
all.....photos of new yeading hayes sport..fc.....west side of canal
looks..gt...fc.under construction aug2013.football...huge looks
wonderful..big push modern sport.....some sport Olympics in mind.....
- Re: Jonathan Oates book
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 23-Aug-2013
Thanks Pauline & Yvonne,
havent forgot school reports still trying to find them, but
did find some 1950s pics of the Guinness clock that traveled
around the coast in the 50/60s dad took the pics 1954 in
Devon will post.
- Re: Jonathan Oates book
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Aug-2013
ok lovely..will see gt.....new football....over the canal being constructed..should be fantastic..hayes yeading fc
- Re: Jonathan Oates book
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Aug-2013
1913
etc..1935...brooklands.....on one show bbc tv..today..test
centre...banking racing...most historic significant in
world..it.was.....
- Re: Jonathan Oates book
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Aug-2013
denis..today.on bbc tv news.
german war plane off Ramsgate.they raised june 2013 ..bbc tv showed
german outside berlin store..huge amazing war plane parts..after
conservation to be at raf museum hendon
- Re: Jonathan Oates book
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 25-Aug-2013
Yes thanks Yvonne missed it
been out all day, but have seen the actual aircraft at RAF
Cosford a few weeks ago.
- Re: Jonathan Oates book
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Aug-2013
oh good yes they said they were conserving it..said due to go to Hendon...thanks..
- Re: Jonathan Oates book
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 26-Aug-2013
Yes being sprayed with citric acid (lemmon juice)
- Re: Jonathan Oates book
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Aug-2013
clever all the work they do..tv
yesterday showed it just come out of the sea...but they do such clever
work..mary rose extra exhibition now portmouth....yrs of gt conserve
achievements..
- Re: Jonathan Oates book
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 26-Aug-2013
Yes a while before the Dornier 17 gets to Hendon.
- Re: Jonathan Oates book
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Aug-2013
ok thanks...bbc 2 today
7pm...flog it dormers wells lane home local hist soc .many many yrs
southall George twyman,,,collection martinware..book shelves local
hist...nice man 80ish now 1960 1930...all local areas had local hist
soc...still do memories nostalgia archice records..maps
infom...heritage.....antique expert went to martin graves Havelock..said
only 1 third sale able...George said 2 thirds
ended up in canal by pottery their back garden canal..Havelock
southall...£40000 wally bird £2000 others...£3 bought one sold for
nearly £2000...rare unique sculpture salt glaze pottery.gt to see George
on tv today....his home...worked so hard for southall lifetime..wrote
bk on martin bros....etc etc. ... more >>
- Re: Jonathan Oates book
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 26-Aug-2013
You talked of Hastings pier recently 6 o/clock news tonight selling shares to aid restoration
- Re: Jonathan Oates book
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Aug-2013
yes saw it....gt....heard all
they said over yr to complete...gt.....we have been on many many piers
love it...this yr Bournemouth and boscombe gorgeous.....
- Re: Jonathan Oates book
by Kathleen Campbell (Member 10236272) on 27-Aug-2013
How do I get into Page 25 t see the pics of North and Meadows Road please Kathleen Campbell
- Re: Jonathan Oates book
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Aug-2013
north rd and meadow rd ..by the
school..are on street view..in google....nice to see.....photos of the
school...photos of the kids and classrooms over the yrs..are in
flickr....in google..let us know.
- Re: Jonathan Oates book
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Aug-2013
Pauline...been on radio4...few
yrs now..but never chance to hear it..pity......today 3pm.making
history...ruth of wartime farm tv..and dan snow..military historian...
- Re: Jonathan Oates book
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Aug-2013
john Christie of rillington place
film..murder...1920s 30s etc...his life petty crime...9 mths prison..3
mths prison...arrested southall pk.lived lodged southall..books by
ealing librarian...archive ealing uxbridge libraries...and kew archive
trails...prisons....one time..worked 3 local cinema..one in
southall...gd read
local.....http://eddiethecomputer.co.uk/history/Pub/Christie_Uxbridge.pdf
- Re: Jonathan Oates book
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 27-Aug-2013
Posted pics of school reports Lady Marg. Rd & Dormers Wells 1948/58.
- Re: Jonathan Oates book
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Aug-2013
5 gt photos..thanks denis...really good...
- Re: Jonathan Oates book
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Sep-2013
Pauline..book..history of
Villiers high school....but front cover photos boy girl look
like.history as it was uniform..perhaps 40s .grammar county
school....board15..........very sad david prost died heart attack lst
night ship..queen eliz....that was week we watched and interviews...tv
on leaving Cambridge uni...
- Re: Jonathan Oates book
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Sep-2013
hank Jeffrey lived 74 ascot
gdns..war raf..his name left off southall grammar board..so
1987..ian..had it put on...item ..in google
- Re: Jonathan Oates book
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 1-Sep-2013
Next Sunday songs of praise from Holly Cross church Greenford
- Re: Jonathan Oates book
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Sep-2013
yes 2nd episode...1st..mike
braden and I watched...8th sept now 2nd with bill turnball.holy cross
oldfield lane......photo flats planned for redlion site on board15...etc
etc..30 aug gazette complaints..
- Re: Jonathan Oates book
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Sep-2013
holy cross..new church finished
1947..by the old small original.....photos gazette new flats for redlion
site board15..etc etc..Osterly etc
- Re: Jonathan Oates book
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 1-Sep-2013
Yvonne, I couldn't find the
photograph of Southall County School on Southallboard 15. I've looked
twice for it. Can you tell me whereabouts it is. I know it's difficult
now that the format has been changed. It was so much nicer when we had
the individual photos on the Boards.
- Re: Jonathan Oates book
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Sep-2013
yes board 15...2 pupils in
uniform..of.yrs ago..uniform on..cover ..book by ian...hstory of
Villiers high sch.....1907 county onwards..booklet...had its 100 yr
anniversary..cover on board15...yes there.....yes don't like new
flickr...but got used to it a bit these last couple wks...let me know
if..you get now.....xxx
- Re: Jonathan Oates book
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Sep-2013
yes it is there...........a few
photos in now...2 pupils on cover booklet photo.....1974 became
Villiers..1963 southall tech..1945 southall grammar..1907 onwards
built...county school....hope you like the farm..work horses..show we
went to Osterley..harness brasses etc..plough...photos..
- Re: Jonathan Oates book
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 1-Sep-2013
Yes, I found it quite easily this
time. The uniforms were a bit older than the ones we wore. If I
remember rightly we had navy berets with the school badge on it."Labor
omnia vincit." Work conquers all. The horses at Osterley show were
magnificent. It reminds you of all those years ago when it was a common
sight to see all the Shire horses working on the canals and the delivery
horses carting all manner of goods. Don't see many these days. ... more >>
- Re: Jonathan Oates book
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Sep-2013
he spoke so well of his
horses...microphone speakers...we listened to every word...rare now
suffolks...after 2nd war and machinery.farms.plough etc.logs....chesnut
beauties...was 2 gt days festival Osterley..so much
there.....grammar.uniform look gt..bit older..so perhaps 30s or so...gt
cover photo.for over 100yrs..booklet...today.redion Greenford gazette
article there..flats shops for corner.picture....we
saw bridge pub..surprise...spread gt deal north..hotel conference
centre.....saw yrs ago they built behind.hotel.rooms..but has spread all
along front north...huge hotel pub space...flyover western ave....etc
etc..lots photos......saw white hart space Greenford rd southall...flats
there.....now...lots of horses.back of Osterley.now..nice.....3 bridges
triangle lawn..close at wet side by canal...lovely sculpture there
polished wood carved..letters 3 bridges ..homage to brunel..neat tidy
very nice indeed.....1948 photo 105 bus shops Greenford high st.east
end.. ... more >>
- Re: Jonathan Oates book
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Sep-2013
gazette..those worked
emi...or....memories hayes...photos films...there...meet sept at
emi...old vinyl factory building called...events there sept
......http://www.hillingdon.gov.uk/article/27085/Contribute-to-film-festival-at-Old-Vinyl-Factory
- Re: Jonathan Oates book
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 2-Sep-2013
Ment.now....tony scanned your bankside
from this weeks gazette today..so glad you liked..computer allows to
enlarge improve..old little newspaper photo.....
- Re: ATC Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-Aug-2013
SOUTHALL GRAMMAR WAR LIST 1943 ETC....IN GOOGLE.....http://www.jcproctor.co.uk/schoolmwork.html
- Re: ATC Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Aug-2013
Saturday 17th..10.25 am.bbc2
tv..Osterley pk..home guard...etc....105 bus Greenford high st to
southall 1948.board15.flickr photos... ..and ..war buses
London..tow..water into coal fuel.....save fuel..war.....the London
transport archive on line photos very good.....Britain from air..good in
google..master Robert gt west rd..Heston 1934..marquees swim pool..ace
spades garage there..but what pool is
it 1934......southall there aec.1928..spikes bridge..bulls bridge..etc
.all there..youtube films google canal along...good...etc etc. ... more >>
- Re: ATC Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Aug-2013
today itv..news
tv....canals.....street view extended to tow path etc..canals...in next
mths be online....4 with camera backpack...see cafes pubs...tow path for
joggers bikes etc...leisure ...show where you are...etc.....Ruislip
lido opened by mayor yesterday £2m refurbish restaurant café...education
centre nature etc etc etc...continue more in year to come also....
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Beech Nut Chewing Gum
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by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 29-Jul-2013
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I was thinking only the other day of the small packets of Beech Nut
chewing gum that we would buy sometimes because they were only tuppence
& Wrigley's was sixpence.
I was sure that Beech Nut was English but from Google it would appear
it's American. I've never seen it in the shops whenever I've gone back
to UK, I wonder if it's still available.
- Re: Beech Nut Chewing Gum
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 29-Jul-2013
I don't ever remember seeing it or buying it Fred. Don't know where I was.
- Re: Beech Nut Chewing Gum
by Chris (Member 10220786) on 29-Jul-2013
I remember that chewing gum - tiny yello/green/white packets. Very strong mint flavour! mmmmmmmmm Chris x
- Re: Beech Nut Chewing Gum
by Janice Johnson (Member 10240407) on 29-Jul-2013
I remember Beech Nut chewing gum
and so does my husband. I was doing a crossword the other day and had
to find the answer to what substance was contained in chewing gum. The
answer was Chicles. This set me thinking and I can remember a chewing
gum brand named Chiclets, tiny little pieces to chew on.
Also, does anyone remember the boxes tangerines and oranges came in made of rough splintery wood? We used to have them as bedside cupboards when upended and a curtain put across. When times are hard ......
... more >>
- Re: Beech Nut Chewing Gum
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 29-Jul-2013
Chris-I remember the chewing gum you describe-did you get it frm Goldswains??
- Re: Beech Nut Chewing Gum
by penny (Member 10265839) on 30-Jul-2013
Yes, I remember Beech Nut. In
fact I thought it was only 1d in the early 1950s. I have a very vivid
memory of going into Ives the Newsagents in Western Road and asking for
"a penny beech nut". And, you are correct, it was in a yellow and green
wrapper about 1" high. Also, one of my favourites was a strip of
everlasting toffee which indeed seemed to last forever.
- Re: Beech Nut Chewing Gum
by Chris (Member 10220786) on 30-Jul-2013
Yes Mike.......GOLDSWAINS and
Amsdom & Pope's. Mike - was there also a sweet shop on the parade
of shops just past the Plough & Shackelton Road - I seem to recall
the name ETHERDORES or something similar. Chris x
- Re: Beech Nut Chewing Gum
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 30-Jul-2013
Chris:I remember that sweet shop you mention-run by a middle age lady
in my time. Re Amsden and Pope, the daughter was Norma, a couple of
years younger than me.
- Re: Beech Nut Chewing Gum
by Chris (Member 10220786) on 30-Jul-2013
I think I remember Norma Mike -
in my minds eye I recall she was very pretty & always looked very
elegant. She was always so patient with us children buying a 1/4 lb of
sweets & a few 1d items. They also sold 'hundreds & thousands'
in a glass tube with a little cork in the end. Glass tubes like that
wouldn't be allowed now - so dangerous! Chris x x x
- Re: Beech Nut Chewing Gum
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 30-Jul-2013
Chirs would that be Etheringtons builders & plumbers merchants on North parade.
- Re: Beech Nut Chewing Gum
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 30-Jul-2013
There was also "PK" in the 50s too
- Re: Beech Nut Chewing Gum
by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 30-Jul-2013
Hi Penny, I was talking about the early 60's when it was tuppence.
- Re: Beech Nut Chewing Gum
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Jul-2013
back from gt coast
holiday......rock £1.50...now..45 pence in poole pottery..box of
slightly broken sticks of rock..but gt..name through rock...ok at
45p//today...........Bournemouth ..old sweet shop..Chalfont st peter on
line..vintage old sweet shops..all the old ones there..uxbridge has
one..
- Re: Beech Nut Chewing Gum
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 31-Jul-2013
lovely county Dorset espcally
like Pool & the harbour i belive its the biggest
deepest natural harbour ln the world so much so that multi
natonal oil company put in planning permission to build a
refinery on Brownsea or one of the other islands but got
told in no uncertain terms it was not a good idea.
- Re: Beech Nut Chewing Gum
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 31-Jul-2013
had gt tour harbour hour...one
island bp on..yes...they drill...ok..green..looks ok...no trouble..baden
powell.statue his 1st 10 boys took..1912 ish..gt brownsea island red
squirrel....yes largest natural harbour world..gt tour man spoke it
all.....but shallow they dredge regularily..gt chain.cars etc to lovely
swanage..millions.cost sandbanks grace fields had place..etc..millionair
row..fantastic
weather..huge new museum poole..lift 4 floors..free ..loads there..1950s
40s kitchen etc..but loads there...poole pottery free .gt see all..£400
more gt poole vases.hand painted..lady there 2 days..wonderful fine
vase work she did..one vase..........prince harry new one.....making
yachts for all over world..saw go out......5 being made..huge extremely
expensive...went around all the islands...2 just been bought ..villa
being built.......yes bp several yrs now on one but ok..see nothing..all
green...swanage NT hills..gt smugglers tours..etc..loads dorset
holiday....relaxing..quiet nice..picturesque... ... more >>
- Re: Beech Nut Chewing Gum
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 31-Jul-2013
beech nut photos....5 ..have
saved 1940s 50s..package mainly yellow.......1916 usa....also
package..in google ads..sheets..pages ...ebay in google..nice there
beech...
- Re: Beech Nut Chewing Gum
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 31-Jul-2013
fred....ap archive...in
google....film 1963 southall
grammar.................http://www.aparchive.com/metadata/UK-GRAMMAR-SCHOOLS/9ec1c07faad8063b2b0c039a50831850?query=southall¤t=53&orderBy=Relevance&hits=90&referrer=search&search=%2Fsearch%2Ffilter%3Fquery%3Dsouthall%26from%3D41%26orderBy%3DRelevance%26ptype%3DIncludedProducts%26_%3D1375199276902&allFilters&productType=IncludedProducts&page=41
netball...sport...uniform...the building 1963ish..kids..staff..etc ... more >>
- Re: Beech Nut Chewing Gum
by penny (Member 10265839) on 1-Aug-2013
Yvonne - I'm afraid I can't make
the link work but it would have been interesting because 1963 was the
year I left Southall Grammar.
- Re: Beech Nut Chewing Gum
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Aug-2013
in google........type .ap
archive....southall.....it has southall grammar film...in the search
slot there..type Greenford..has the race trck.old one there
......Hounslow..uxbridge..ealing....has some.....in google type ap
archive.....
- Re: Beech Nut Chewing Gum
by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 1-Aug-2013
This link works Penny,
http://www.aparchive.com/search?productId=&searchfilter=&query=southall+grammar
- Re: Beech Nut Chewing Gum
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 7-Aug-2013
My dad made us all five stones
when he worked at the AEC. They were gold - probably brass, and they
were really heavy when they landed on the back of your hands. A good
game though.
- Re: Beech Nut Chewing Gum
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Aug-2013
lovely he made very beautiful
brass.....but as you say...heavy etc to balance back hand...loved the
plaster ones....liked the game so much and jacks......my cousin..sheet
metal worker ..precision..one off pieces lifetime..skilled...he made gt
unique ..stainless steel pieces....foreigners.call them..ha......brought
home..made but wonderful things...still have some........clever beauty
skilled work..shine....
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The Great Gathering
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 21-Jul-2013
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In May my daughter and I booked up for a few days in York from
17th-20th July. Little did we know what was in store for us. In July I
discovered that a 75th Anniversary "The Great Gathering" was being held
at the National Railway Museum in York, finishing on 17th July! This was
a gathering together of the six A4 Steam Locomotives, celebrating the
75th Anniversary of the Mallard breaking the world speed
record in 1938. After reading about the massive queues and long waits
to view this event, I didn't hold out much hope. Although I first
visited the Railway Museum 30 years ago with my husband, and then again
on my 80th birthday, I really would have loved to see "The Great
Gathering". We arrived in York at 1.20pm and by 3.20pm we were at the
National Railway Museum by taxi. We were absolutely amazed that there
were no queues at all, and walked straight into the Great Hall, and
there they all were. I first clapped eyes on the Mallard 4468,this
magnificent dark blue engine, with photographers clicking their cameras
in all directions. You were scared to walk anywhere as you were likely
to spoil their prized photograph. I copied the names of the A4's all
down. 60007 Sir Nigel Gresley, 60008 Dwight D. Eisenhower, 60009 Union
of South Africa, 4468 Mallard, 4489 Dominion of Canada, 4464 Bittern.
They were all beautiful engines, towering high above, gleaming in their
different colours like magestic beasts. My daughter photographed them
all, one by one, while I walked along the side of each one, touching
them and admiring the size of their massive wheels and the brightness of
the copper pipes by the foot plates. They were all superb. I talked to
one man who said if we'd have come last Saturday, the queues were miles
long, and it was manic. So he returned on the Wednesday, like us.I will
never ever forget them, and marvelling at all the work and care put into
them to enable the public to see them at this wonderful National
Railway Museum in York for free! ... more >>
- Re: The Great Gathering
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 29-Jul-2013
I don't ever remember seeing it or buying it Fred. Don't know where I was!
- Re: The Great Gathering
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 31-Jul-2013
http://www.richmondandtwickenhamtimes.co.uk/news/720511.born_with_history_genes_in_me/
Pauline...Cameron..of 1940 Heston and still there..librarian local
lifetime...saw 1960 painting of church 1860 before new church
built...saw missing..she saw sotherby...woman said bought 50p car boot
sale.vicar send photo of it to confirm..woman never turned up
again.....Cameron author..gave it back to church..still
not found..picture of it yet in google...church must have
it..Heston......Pauline...gt find....Cameron her grandparents lived
Hounslow...Cameron went to springgrove school....house of banks she knew
well etc.....1860 watercolour of old pre Heston church.......Victorians
restored rebuilt so many..old
ones......http://www.richmondandtwickenhamtimes.co.uk/news/720511.born_with_history_genes_in_me/...photo
37 died war emi hayes ..grave stone names in local
cemetery....board11...15..etc... ... more >>
- Re: The Great Gathering
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 1-Aug-2013
Thanks for that Yvonne. A very interesting read.
- Re: The Great Gathering
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Aug-2013
yes Cameron lovely lady ..well
over 60 yrs Heston areas..think may still be alive...librarian.many
yrs.author several local bks....wonder where her dad worked........1866
google says Heston church rebuilt...they put request in 1863.........yr
1100s..a vicar vicarage there...priest......yr 1300s the tower still
there ..yr1400 the oak lych gate..one of oldest in country..the church
graveyard largest in
country..many mine there....stained glass window to q
vctoria.jubilee....yr 2010 new stained glass window..left of altar..to
land army ladies..Heston farm etc 2nd war.....st leneord in stain
glass...child and many Osterley tombs in there...of earl jersey..manor
hse thee yr1500s.........doomsday bk..of it ..q Elizabeth 1st favourite
bread wheat of Heston........norwood green church
yr1200..rebuilt..yr1860s..nearly fell down old...death watch beetle
etc....often old wood...flint stone.stronger Victorians
replaced....onwards of yrs.1802 bapt..family mine norw green..1850 mine
of cranford lane Heston church records...books all London archive
now...1970 I was lucky still able to handle them.the velvet
books......but.now online ..or film at archive office..only... ... more >>
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Foyles War
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by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 18-Jul-2013
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Yeterday evening I watched a repeat episode of Foyle's War, set in the
spring of 1940. One scene was the people attending Sunday Service in
response to King George VI call for a National day of Prayer.
At that time I used to go with my mother to Morning Service
at Holy Trinity. On this Sunday the church was filled to
overflowing-chairs were brought in from the Parish Hall.
The preacher was the
then Bishop of Willsden. He commented on the overcrowding,and criticised
those who attended church only because they were frightened-and
speculated as to whether the church would be as full if we were
delivered from our current crisis! ... more >>
- Re: Foyles War
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Jul-2013
foyles war good series.film.kings
speech repeated on freeview this week..so well done........my aunt and
cousins got married there after the war..and baptisms....hope kates baby
today..her gran married there from bankside aug 1953...reception the
pub that got burnt down.by there.
- Re: Foyles War
by Lynette Ware (Member 10283192) on 18-Jul-2013
I got married at Holy Trinity 1970. My sister did too, though a few years earlier, 1956
- Re: Foyles War
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Jul-2013
1956 ..aunt 1953...kates gran aug
1953...my bapt there...went in vestry at my wedding to get my bapt cert
he copied it from little book.....lovely photos gt .door stone..village
trees looking church in photos white dresses bridesmaids gt
setting......pk opposite
- Re: Foyles War
by Sandy (Member 10264317) on 18-Jul-2013
Charlie & I married there 31st August 1963 50yrs next month.
- Re: Foyles War
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Jul-2013
happy anniversary date next month....best wishes lovely church stained glass windows 1900s built....
- Re: Foyles War
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 19-Jul-2013
Pauline....have read couple times
now In google....painting of Heston church just before new refurbish
built there 1860,,,,,,,watercolour...Hounslow librarian
author..Cameron..took party round church in 1960 noticed it had
gone......15 yrs later she saw it up for sale sotherby...woman said she
bought it car boot 50p...vicar involved identified it...Cameron brought
it home in brown paper it had been folded cracked..she payed to have it restored and put back in its frame.......our family church.many yrs.... ... more >>
- Re: Foyles War
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 21-Jul-2013
How wonderful to have finally
found it, plus Cameron paying to have it restored. I wonder if it was in
Heston church in 1954 when we got married? It would be nice to see a
copy of this very old watercolour.
- Re: Foyles War
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Jul-2013
it would be good to see the
Heston watercolour..nothing more in google..presume church know more
secretary there has email....glad you enjoyed York..gt event there....we
loved York..my cousins lived there...just back beauty dorset
wonderful....
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Clarence St.
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by Dilys Boot (Member 10061138) on 17-Jul-2013
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Are there any really old faces from Clarence St. on this site. I am
trying to solve a mystery about a name on my uncles War grave in France.
I know he married an Ivy May Bishop who lived in Clarence St.and that
they lived there with her parents until he died. She continued to live
there and remarried a Robert Johnson.They lived there until about 1952.
Any recollections would be greatly appreciated.
- Re: Clarence St.
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 17-Jul-2013
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?gl=34&rank=1&new=1&so=3&MSAV=0&msT=1&gss=ms_f-34&gsfn=ivy+may&gsln=bishop&msgdy=1935&msgpn__ftp=Uxbridge%2C+Middlesex%2C+England&msgpn=1671369&msgpn_PInfo=8-%7C0%7C0%7C3257%7C3251%7C0%7C0%7C0%7C5275%7C1671369%7C0%7C&sbo=0&uidh=000
free index ancestry and find past in google...Herbert .r.. taylor married her..1935 feb to june....uxb reg district..which included southall..... ... more >>
- Re: Clarence St.
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Jul-2013
it opens on your message name place....http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead.aspx?cpage=1
Herbert Reginald taylor born 1913 Pontypridd reg dist..age 31..9june
1944..parachute..ranville military cemetery..just off Pegasus bridge off
caen....we were there 4 yrs ago went to d day beaches and all...and to
caen...and to...Pegasus bridge gliders..parachutes..memorial
museum..etc....was .interesting....1935..feb
to june. married her...uxb reg dist.for southall etc.....lots photos
etc...on ranville in google.....photograph dept they send you free
photos....grave name etc...taylor if not on st john parish church
board..but they may have put him on Featherstone rd school carved names
monument..by brent rd junction western rd.... ... more >>
- Re: Clarence St.
by Dilys Boot (Member 10061138) on 18-Jul-2013
Thanks Eve, I already have all
the information on Herbert and just wondered if anyone remembered Ivy
May from Clarence Street.l have been doing genealogy for a few years now
and don't need help on that score. My brother visited the grave a few
weeks ago as he has a place in France very near to the Ranville War
Graves so I now have photos of that.The inscription on the grave
contains a mystery which I was hoping maybe someone who knew Ivy could help us solve.
... more >>
- Re: Clarence St.
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Jul-2013
ah read it that you needed info
her husband...yes we went to the area interesting..good luck...pte
parachute regiment 1944..9 june...age 31..
- Re: Clarence St.
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Jul-2013
she may probably have remarried...find my past site.free index
- Re: Clarence St.
by Dilys Boot (Member 10061138) on 18-Jul-2013
Yes eve, she did remarry a Robert
Johnson who may have been a lodger at 111 Clarence Street. Have all
that info. Thanks anyway.
- Re: Clarence St.
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Jul-2013
commonwealth war graves take
email enquiries...they carve the names on the france stone
grave.............query of name...they should be able to
help...maidenhead office....they use war diary soldiers.reference
book...I used them a couple of times......and my one the regiment
helped...death..name..records of him..details..of him..archivist of the
regiment helped me.....
- Re: Clarence St.
by thompson (Member 10241148) on 29-Jul-2013
My Grand-parents Robert and Flo Thompson lived
42 Clarence Street. He was a Chimney sweep and drove a three wheeler Trojan van, with a JAP Engine.
They were friendly with Carol Middleton's parents,
There is a photo of them on one of the Flickr Photostream. Several Aunts
and Uncles also lived in the street. Beryl, Albert, Reenie, Vi Thompson
and also my mother's brother Les Rowbottom a plumber by trade.
- Re: Clarence St.
by thompson (Member 10241148) on 29-Jul-2013
Just think the future King George will have his roots in this street!!!
- Re: Clarence St.
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Jul-2013
yes king George 7th would
be.roots Clarence st .dot ron goldsmith...ron carole of Featherstone
school......the middletons..and kate does a fine job..plumber ro..uncle
..house builders..lifetime..west ave etc...they knew rowbottom
well.....and also used northcote pub lifetime...rowbottom..came in our
house..and jack roache fellow friend..jack hills.....ackers.
- Re: Clarence St.
by thompson (Member 10241148) on 31-Jul-2013
Correction, my grandparents lived at 49 Clarence St
it is flat fronted property, not like the other houses, as originally
it was a shop. My grandfather was a confectioner and had the place as a
sweet shop; before becoming a sweep.Also lived in Dudley Rd previously
before that.
- Re: Clarence St.
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 31-Jul-2013
lovely....have 2 photos shops
..old photos 1950 1960 shop Clarence st.....sweet shop etc...many people
remember Clarence st shop.....
- Re: Clarence St.
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 31-Jul-2013
mr Thompson...was Woodley one of
the owners of the shop...60s 50s etc....sweets..Clarence st..and
also..Dudley..kates family moved to flat small....then in the end
kingsfield rd norwood green for 25 yrs..died elderly berks..ron dot
goldsmith..yr2000ish
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Story by David Slater
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by Zeta Stanley (Member 10256988) on 7-Jul-2013
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Hi Yvonne, you sent me a story written by David Slater which was very
interesting I was wondering if he is the son of Slaters Furniture in
Southal,as I was at school with David at Greggs College in Ealing, from
1945 to 1948.
- Re: Story by David Slater
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 7-Jul-2013
My cousin went to Greggs with John and Violet Slaters'daughter Doreen Slater.Did John have a brother??
- Re: Story by David Slater
by Ronald Cox (Member 10259196) on 7-Jul-2013
Yes Dave Slater story is very
intresting,thank you Yvonne. One item I am not sure of is that Tudor Rd
school was closed down for 6 months. I was there from 1940 to 1943 and
never went to another school. Maybe one of our friends could name the
year?
- Re: Story by David Slater
by Zeta Stanley (Member 10256988) on 8-Jul-2013
Yes Ron I wondered about the school being closed too, I thought I must have missed something....
- Re: Story by David Slater
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Jul-2013
hi..you 2 lovely ones far away oz
and new Zealand...gt andy murray yesterday tennis....wow...slater
common name.....yes read that of tudor rd.school...read others saying
was bomb near by..the road the gate..near off from there....but don't
know about closed....wonder why he said that..mystery.....glad you
enjoyed my dears ..lots love ..ytxx.hot weather here
now..beaches...ha..tudor rd.school.kids photo..of war fund collection there 1942 ish yr..alderman there with kids..collection of money... ... more >>
- Re: Story by David Slater
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Jul-2013
copy what he wrote...6 wks close north rd and tudor rd...perhaps he just meant north rd
28 sept north rd sch 1940.bomb.......15 oct tudor rd sch no
casualties..bomb blast outside shelter of school.no casualties.close
6mth.....southall at war by dave slater......bbc and newspapers and
british library over 10yrs now have asked for .people to send
memories..they put on line....ealing local history library
would know about tudor rd sch...war...............observation accounts
diaries written by peole during the war ae in brown boxes at kew
archive.....the..go through those..been on tv some of it........15 oct
tudor rd he does not repeat the yr...but implies 1940........age 9 he
was 1940....in google..new ..type ..bombsight.org.....it is arp records
from town halls...map...red dots of bombs..click info..and they
gradually in 2 yrs add info there..regina rd southall is
there...broadway red dots..up by top of northcote ave...palace
cinema..there southall pk there...bomb red dots on 1940 and now modern
map..there at site...put in southall...viaduct uxbridge rd red dots and
asylum..regina etc.there...Greenford had western ave factories and red
dot mansell mornington rd area bad bombs ... more >>
- Re: Story by David Slater
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 8-Jul-2013
In Ealing, Acton & Southall
At War by Dennis Upton, Pages 46/47 it states: On the night of 28th
September 1940, the North Road school was badly damaged and was closed
for six weeks. Then on the night of 15th October, came another school
incident. A bomb fell on the outside shelter of Tudor Road school but
there were no reported casualties. Blast damage to the school, however,
closed it for six months. Can't say I remember it, but we were off school quite a lot and only went in half days at times. ... more >>
- Re: Story by David Slater
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Jul-2013
that is...one
coping...another.....upton...slater one....has copied the words of the
other.......arp account to town hall..archive all papers at kew national
archive......they gradually put on line......bombsight......etc info
clicks there.....
- Re: Story by David Slater
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Jul-2013
think there is feedback on the
national archive site....4 valuable war people we have here
......len.would also have been...memories your childhood war..school
etc..shut or...historiams authors go to kew when writing their latest
bks.for reaeach....
- Re: Story by David Slater
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 8-Jul-2013
Michael, while I was looking
something else up on our site, I found an input by Jean Edwards where
she said that her husband and his friend Derek were very friendly with
one of the Slater boys - his name was Dave Slater, and he used to work
in the shop and would have been born around 1930.
- Re: Story by David Slater
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 8-Jul-2013
At the bottom of that page, Phil Wade, one of our members, said that Dave Slater passed away in May 2010.
- Re: Story by David Slater
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 8-Jul-2013
Pauline: I wonder if David Slater
was the son of John Slaters brother? Doreen Slater was a few years
older than me. I met up again with John Slater in 1983-sadly Violet had
passed awsy by then.
- Re: Story by David Slater
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Jul-2013
slater was 9 in
1940..david......my goodness all copy each other 1982 published mr meads
got same words both school s ..6 wk close north rd 6 mth tudor
rd.close.1940......arp paper to town hall is at kew national
archive.......upton meads slater..using the words....
- Re: Story by David Slater
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 8-Jul-2013
I've been thinking about Tudor
Road school being closed, and although I can't remember the year, I can
remember my mother giving up our front room (the best room) for a lot of
infant children to be taught by a Miss Rumming, who had taught me when I
was younger at Tudor road. I wasn't at school either, as I used to put
all their little shoes that they had taken off in the hall. I remember
Miss Rumming used to
have a cup of tea and a biscuit! This would have been well before 1942
as my younger sister was born in February then. ... more >>
- Re: Story by David Slater
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Jul-2013
thatgood well remembered..think
dave is of jean..memory....... 9 1940 he says in the article..about
right...southall lad...a lot of people .got the meads bk..think that
gets quoted..really......author upton..I think..still speaks for ealing
library talks..with mr oates..my west ave cousins pam.born 1935....think
heard that they did not get much school......terrible shame.....all the
cousins still ok..grandchildren......her hubby from kingsley rd by north rd born 1931....hes ok...gt.. ... more >>
- Re: Story by David Slater
by Zeta Stanley (Member 10256988) on 8-Jul-2013
Thanks for the info Pauline, re
Dave Slater, we are pretty sure he's the same chap who was at Greggs
College and who's father owned the furniture shop, I can remember him
working in the shop with his father on Saturdays.
- Re: Story by David Slater
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 10-Jul-2013
Zeta - I think it was John Slater
and his wife Violet who were the owners of the Slaters Furnishing shop,
and Doreen was their daughter. Michael was asking if John Slater had a
brother, as Dave could have been his son, making John his uncle.
- Re: Story by David Slater
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Jul-2013
http://www.iansmith.myzen.co.uk/emidec/emihme.htm
emi in google workers chat about their yrs there...still photos in google emi.................new photos local..in board11
- Re: Story by David Slater
by Bob Burnard (Member 10252769) on 14-Jul-2013
Would anyone know how old john slater would be.
- Re: Story by David Slater
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 14-Jul-2013
John Slater died some years ago.
- Re: Story by David Slater
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Jul-2013
have some old postcards...1939
1940s....says to .palace café...12 south rd...miss p wilhem .mrs g
willan..something like that......would tht be...right side of the
cinema......does anybody remember it....their name.willam.......or
anything about it..please...thanks...ruth is the friend sending to south
rd.
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HELP Please
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by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 22-Jun-2013
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We are trying to trace a firm of solicitors who were either in the
Uxbridge, West Drayton or Hounslow area (ON or v near THE 222 BUS ROUTE)
in the early 1950s. I know folk on this Southall board are excellent
researchers with access to historical info, and the firm was either
Joseph, Mills and Co., or Joseph Hills & Co, Joseph Miles & Co
Joseph Hiles & Co. There may or may not have been a comm a
after the name Joseph, and this is important as with a comma, Joseph
would have been a surname with the other partner being named
Hills/Mills/Miles. ALL help would be appreciated and an actual
address would be fantastic. Many thanks, Keith ... more >>
- Re: HELP Please
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Jun-2013
tracing..them......do they need
to have contact now.with them or who took them over...or who..their
business went to..................solicitors usually..register with the
law society ..in google.......through all years..records
kept...archive.....a will...they keep
copies...solicitors.....etc....sure they can help...you.............
- Re: HELP Please
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 22-Jun-2013
Thanks Yvonne. We are trying to
trace the location of a site in a 1950-58 photograph. A 222 bus is
parked outside a solicitor's office. The Law Society will only help
when we can give the name of the firm, but some of the firm's name in
the photo is obscured.
- Re: HELP Please
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Jun-2013
ok.....see more
info..now.........the local local history.public library might
help......to the bus..and the rd ..of solicitor......photo....Kelly
directory.post office directory......etc..they have lots of
archive........
- Re: HELP Please
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Jun-2013
1950s...222..bus..whether it is
bath rd...Hounslow.....don't know uxb Wembley...or..............London
transport museum archivist email or letter attach .scanned
photo....might help...........local hist librarian james marshall public
librarian been there 30yrs....loads info..high st treaty
centre....Hounslow.......might help...........
- Re: HELP Please
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 22-Jun-2013
The London Transport bus museum at Brooklands Surrey mite be able to help Keith.
- Re: HELP Please
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Jun-2013
tried ....all...the
spellings...etc...1950s.....best the ..library shelf of post office
directories in alphabetical order....uxb.hounslow west
drayt.............1950s..uxbridge and ealing.southall....so also...local
history library mr oates ealing
broadway....info.................uxbridge is closed for a year
refurbish.........Hounslow..open 7 days week..............2012.sharron
hiles solicitor team..courts
justice the strand.............1987 frank hiles
torquay..solicitor...............mills ..curry...90 field end
rd,,Eastcote by uxbridge...today..solicitor......has 1
rl....postcode..................mills chody ..solicitor..harrow
middx..today.................222 gt bus route...Hounslow bus garage
probably......1950s....if anybody recognises the road route from the
photo..solicitors......Hounslow library send them scan..photo
email,,,,,,,,,,,james marshall librarian been there well over 30
yrs.........Hounslow....mr mendy .lifetime written for.retro
history.for.Hounslow chronicle is 90 lifetimelived..hounslow
Feltham...on facebook..with photos attached site...heritage history
local..group..been going several yrs ..members...... ... more >>
- Re: HELP Please
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 22-Jun-2013
Thanks
It is by chance somebody who is involved with the bus museum at
Brooklands who is trying to identify the location the
photo.........Thanks again, Keith
- Re: HELP Please
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Jun-2013
good.....covent garden transport
museum is gt....archivists etc......been several
times........acton...annual...visitors museum..transport is good
there........
- Re: HELP Please
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Jun-2013
denis......brian tubb 1957 yrs
was in your scouts.......johnny green patrol leader....1957.....troup
leader was in ambulance brigade ..lived next door to Stanley
family..............
- Re: HELP Please
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 23-Jun-2013
I had left the scouts by
then & was a member of the Air Training Corps but i dont
recall the names i belive a chap called Tony Martin was the
leader of the cubs & scouts.
- Re: HELP Please
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 23-Jun-2013
PS Yvonne where did the Stanley family live.
- Re: HELP Please
by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 23-Jun-2013
Keith,
Could this be it? There was a Joseph Lilly & Co solicitors at 53
Lampton Road, Hounslow in 1951, their name appears in the London Gazette
dated 11 December 1951 on page 6503.
- Re: HELP Please
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Jun-2013
thanks denis......sorry don't know where they lived.....................
- Re: HELP Please
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Jun-2013
and in google....they are ..9 may
1958 also..and 1977..lampton rd..53 and 59.........120 bus..of the
civic centre.lampton road..but.....lilly seems .so good....newspapers
are marvellous colin....british library Colindale..has put them on
line.....such interesting info......
- Re: HELP Please
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 23-Jun-2013
Denis-which ATC squadron were you in?
- Re: HELP Please
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 23-Jun-2013
Thanks Colin
It IS a possible.
Checks will be made on this possibility and I'll get back in due course
Thanks again ... more >>
- Re: HELP Please
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 23-Jun-2013
SPOT ON Colin!!
We were looking for the wrong surname due to a reflection in the glass
window on the photograph, so very many thanks to you from the red RF bus
group!
- Re: HELP Please
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 23-Jun-2013
Michael i was in Southall ATC i think it was 1835 Squ.
- Re: HELP Please
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 23-Jun-2013
Colin
If you go to "Red RF Home page", Then on the left look for "Routes",
then go to Route 222, you will see by the second photo down, we have
been credited with solving the mystery location where the bus was
standing.
- Re: HELP Please
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 23-Jun-2013
Denis-I was in 1846 squadron 1942-1946, based at Featherstone Road School, CO "Dicky Down",headmaster then.
- Re: HELP Please
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Jun-2013
to see the
photo.......helps....keith........yes window is
bad...joseph..........bus going to uxbridge station..........display..is
the huge lettering along........1950s.....222...........google has them
at lampton..road....several yrs....
- Re: HELP Please
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 24-Jun-2013
Yes, The 222 ran from Uxbridge
via Sipson, then at Hounslow turned north into Lampton Road to
terminate, but we didn't realise that the bus stand was not in Lampton
Rd, but where the bus turned round in Queens Road and that is why for 2
years, they have been trying to trace the site of the photo. The firm
Colin found is on the corner and google streetview shows the building
but not the firm is still there
- Re: HELP Please
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Jun-2013
2YRS.....well done all of
you...and .colin.....it is good to keep an eye on newspapers...around
the 1950 yrs etc....fascinating....and bus stop there at the photo and
yes you say just.....only just being there at lampton........my good
ness....that solicitor window.....very hard.......display..large letters
there.......so pleased..after2yrs so pleased............they were
lampton rd solicitor..quite
a few yrs...in google..................lovely uxbridge sipson route of
the bus ..yes saw...and Hounslow....I lived Heston Hounslow
1966...walked lampton rd many times...used the tube to my work as
librarian bbc tv...shepherds bush white city.....demolish now...gone
to...Salford Manchester ...new media tv...centre............my husband
went to lampton rd grammar springrove.......lampton pk was lovely..may
day...free festivals.........went to the wedding of my .bbc work mate at
holy trinity by the bell pub..area of high st....1970.......new modern
church of the famous history you spoke of keith...my nans brother
married there 1906.............bulstrode hse
hotel...lampton..rd..of.bulstrode gentry fame..1780s......just got his
bulstrode land tax rent page in front of me..with my name..wingrove..tom
payed.8/6...rent..1780payed.tom wingrove of Heston....1806..my gt gt gt
wingrove born..Heston norwood green..ancestry is gt for family
tree......archive from kew.... ... more >>
- Re: HELP Please
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Jun-2013
MR THOMPSON....OF YOURS WITH
ROWBOTTOM family..southall..............yesterday we spent.time on
..WITH LOUISE.her..photo 1938 funeral over 5 huge cars...William
beach.........think it says southall.july 1938....but cannot recognise
the rd.......our.mr Thompson........of the fame ..of southall.....beach
...fairs....over winter...by regina rd white swan....pub....king
st.......southall pk..etc with billy
smart....................sally beach ...mr Thompson..of our site here
you had ..as aunt sally.....Nellie beach of Hounslow........the lady
called wood........gtgt gt of beach family......on this site......good
photo we have....1938 funeral...if we can confirm the rd and confirm
southall............BUT.1929.1930 ish death of....t w beach of
brenford.high st ealing rd fame..many yrs.jam factory won prizes covent
garden and exhibition London.......he would have had ..a huge
funeral...photo..also............. ... more >>
- Re: HELP Please
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 24-Jun-2013
Further down the same page as the
bus photo is wonderful photo of bus in 1913 outside Bulstrode Hotel.
Look at old station sign up on the embankment in the distance.
Station was once called Hounslow Lampton, not Hounslow Central. Those
various London bus sites have many wonderful old photos. 222 ran
Hounslow Sipson Yiewsley Uxbridge VERY rural then so single deck buses.
Direct route would have been 120 via Lampton to Southall, then 607 (was tram route 7) to Uxbridge. ... more >>
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by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 24-Jun-2013
Also if you go to Route 211 on
the same RF Homepage site, there are two fabulous photos of old 211 at
Greenford - one photo is 1930s somewhere near Eastmead Ave and the other
is early 1950s outside old Greenford market
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by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 24-Jun-2013
Sorry, Hounslow Central station
was not called Hounslow Lampton but Heston-Hounslow as can just be seen
in the Bulstrode Hotel photo mentioned above
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Jun-2013
will have good see read...keith
thanks....yes old photos of old stations...Hounslow...have seen read..gt
interesting..........my family...links.....geneology family
tree....bulstrode oh yes listed building heritage 1780.....gt
family..Hounslow...land...gentry...esquire ..names on my 1780 list of
local land tax..gentry...Hounslow Heston Isleworth..........well done
you and your friend..buses..fascinating..........I
walked....or got off bus if raining there....tony went out with his
mum...a few nights age 17 and passed test ..in 15 mins..took white mini
to grammar lampton rd..6th form..and Kingston poly.....npl.bushy
teddington.civil service he was.science division........mini car went
everywhere...including to my place ealing broadway ....then.....ha ..gt
days mini car..white..... ... more >>
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by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 25-Jun-2013
I was VERY interested in the photo of the Bulstrode Hotel in 1913
What is interesting is how few people there are in the photo, so I did a
bit of research. In 1913, the population of the U.K was about
43Million, so now with a population of about63 million, the UK
population has risen almost 50%. As it is known that the population of
Scotland has not increased much, I think it is safe to assume
that the population in England has increased by 50% since that photo
was taken. But what is frightening is that the world population has
increased MORE than FOURfold in that time from 1.75Billion to
7.2Billion. Truly the world is running out of space, and it is
therefore hardly surprising that our beloved West Middlesex has been put
under the concrete mixer! ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Jun-2013
Pauline.................the long
time query over photo 1950s 60s ..traffic
lights..broadway....denis...........north west corner lady marg
rd........we all saw dentist high above at emporium..........Pauline
remembered tobacco...from..shop.there..............then curved around
low glass..pretty....shop.......they say...jewellers.......they say
james walker...............makes sense...little jewellers
shop..there.......as you cross the road to town .hall........what do
you think..Pauline denis.....................keith they are still
emigrating.....also.....Australia Canada...and so many more countries
now.......but .......dense
job and houses areas our small island sinking under the
weight........for so many many yrs now...........grandchildren...how
will their grandchildren be..................... ... more >>
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 25-Jun-2013
I don't remember any Jewellers,
but I had left Northcote Avenue in 1952 and moved to North Hyde Lane,
then to Hayes when I got married. I have answered your request for
sketches of Spikes Bridge further down on the very long thread (24th
May).
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Jun-2013
yes could be memories of the
1960s people...make sense jewellers there....and that traffic light
photo was 1960 ish...bus..........lovely pretty shop...curved low around
emporium..corner...think...jewellers..................grateful to you
Pauline...off to sketches now.....will
scroll....ha...lovely.......sincerely grateful....wonderful....to...have
peoples memories...............photos maps help also........
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by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 25-Jun-2013
James Walkers was along the
Uxbridge Road on the same side & near Stones electrical
shop i am certain.
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Jun-2013
lovely thanks.........stones...etc....which was it all near...........please...thanks....
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Jun-2013
just got email from
frithphotos.......they send regular..................new book.£11.20
published by them...............childhood war
memories.....................unique collection ...heart
warming...evacuees....or.sweet rations....airraids,,,,pranks.....got gum
yank etc.........
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by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 25-Jun-2013
I am certain it was across
from Stakers stationers & between Burtons Tailors &
Woolworths approx. in the middle of that block.
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Jun-2013
yes I.remember jewellers along
there...yes half along...to woolworths.................so 1950
60s.......top..west corner of lady marg...not a little jewellers there
at all..as you cross to town hall at the traffic light......40s
50s......nice low window..window ledge...curved window........at the
very edge corner of emporium...lady marg rd.........small
shop..place.....dentist high above..along.......
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 25-Jun-2013
Re: Saxon Rd 1939 - 1951 by Len Goddard (Member 10234853) on 15-Apr-2009
Hello Pauline the pole would have been outside Butlers a sign to tell
you there was a Barbers they were down stairs at Butlers you had
Meyers,James Walkers.Times furniture Moss the chemist Edgars the men's
outfitters Charlie Chambers standing in the alley next to Woolies
selling oranges 12 for a shilling Les Ives took over after selling flowers.
Kind regards Len
Thought this would be helpful, although there was also Stones electrical shop which Denis has already mentioned. ... more >>
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 27-Jun-2013
Thank goodness it's back. Nearly 2 days off!!
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Jun-2013
back 2 days....am today sent more
emails to them..........got gt sketch yesterday from...ron..truly
wonderful......white bridge ..waterfall..etc etc...........see what can
do...loads last 2 days...get back to you....best wishes...all
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Jun-2013
gt from...len....need each decade
sketches...plan........changing shops.......got
emporium...ideal...tobacco......then lavells 1960s........photo...recent
shows better the curve window...by ideal canopy.........little shop
extension of brick work...len would know.....miss him......photo....but
google says last yr...owner whole area there...sarees...clothes
fabric..new west end look...approved...council..love
the new upmarket look to attract..tourists.....so it has all gone yr
ago..............the curve window canopy of ideal...... ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Jun-2013
he asked council..for new
front......to make modern..like the west end......so .2013 must be huge
change there.......ideal tobacco.......lavells
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Jun-2013
traffic lights opposite
butlers.......denis........west corner of top of .lady marg
rd...denis........blowers dentist above..............
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by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 27-Jun-2013
Back at last, Yvonne would the dentist be in the same building as Capt. Bryant school of motoring.
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by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 27-Jun-2013
Pauline i know the feeling.
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 27-Jun-2013
Wonderful that Ron was able to do
good sketches of the White Bridge and the Waterfall. Was he able to do
sketches of Spikes Bridge as well? Talking about the three boys sitting
on top of a brick built bridge on the front of Ian Niall's book "A
London Boyhood", there is a picture of Ian sitting by the side of a
brick built bridge with water flowing beneath in 1924.
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Jun-2013
oh gt ...need to see that
photo....ian sitting....have 3/4 of ian......when wrote his 1st book ad
when older man.........plan sketch of ron.....will get .soon as
can....out..........diagram...where memory all way...bridge....etc
wimpey across to tow path.......over....bumpy field etc..out to
ici...ammo...cows..etc...wil get out when can...flickr ..is hopeless
now......changes......no...he is not artist
sketcher.....but plan diagram.......same as me...if we can all do just
plan diagram..of shops..of spikes etc...........we are not clever to do
paintings ..full drawing sketches but map..type plans goes with
memory.....sketch...where....water was...barge etc....just sketch
plan...locations......your david is the only one to do us..wonderful
drawing sketches of ....whole..eyes view...that is too much to
ask..photo...but ..not many do wonderful paintings for
us....but.....pencil..sketch...could put on flickr...scan page
plan.maap..labelled memory places.....shops
etc.........diagram...memories........
... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Jun-2013
yes brick built spikes
bridge....1924..ia 8 yrs old............nov 1916 born...he says moved
London before age 12........he looks 8 on .wall bridge swimming..with 2
mates....the cover....swim..tops..to jump in........sitting by side so
as tow path there by the side.......gt another photo to
see......wonderful.........must have left southall....work
..London...worked for spectator......if left London..age
20ish..........photo of him age 20s....writing his 1st
book..yrs....tall slim....good looking face..Scottish............dark
hair...went to southall grammar.....born 16 nov 1916..........they say
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Jun-2013
landlord said...2 mths.....close
.........3 horseshoes..pub..............last night said.....3 mths
notice given close soon..solicitor dealing...shops flats above developer
..buying.....brewery says not viable council given
permission.........1914 build so not complete till 1920 war
..problem..so heritage....not do 1920...as much as
1914...complete.....pity..1914 would have been
heritage.......................
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by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 27-Jun-2013
If i remember there was
another tobacconist on the corner of South Road & Uxbridge
Road across from the Three Horse shoes nearly next door to
Wood Bros. tool & hobby shop.
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Jun-2013
yes denis.......was...old
fashioned..lovely...places they were along there............close
up..photos I have of top lady marg..west....side....low curve glass
window......next to ideal....lavell.newsagent.....will try work out what
it was........... as you cross traffic lights to town hall 1950s to
1960 ..607 trolley bus there...............
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 27-Jun-2013
Yvonne Ian was still living in
Scotland at eight years old. He moved from his grandparents in Galloway
back to his parents home, and when his father moved to Southall he only
left Scotland then!
If he was eight years old sitting by the bridge, and he looked that age, it would be in Scotland and couldn't be Spikes Bridge!
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Jun-2013
yes...lots in google.....friend
did biography of him...read last week...biog in google age 12
London...read 1916 nov born...yes never can tell in photo he looks more
8ish skinny...around those yrs......all bits in
google....so.........whatever...says rumour was he was expelled from
southall grammar suspended.......you photo sounds gt......by the side of
bridge if denis could have scanned it and put
on his flickr.........but we are so lucky to have what we
have..........rare photos info.....whatever ages are.............and
southall memories especially you say sounds gt........zeta heard from
few times told her all and sent photos that I have...................
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 27-Jun-2013
Just read back in Ian's book, and
he was actually in Southall in 1925. Without going into too much
detail, and spoiling it for the reader, he mentions that in the next
year it was the General Strike, and that was 1926! He was born in 1916,
so he would have been nine then. I originally was under the impression
that he went to Southall when he was 12, and that was wrong.
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Jun-2013
thought I read 12...might be his
biog later said 12 ..was in London.............1926 yes strike...wonder
where his dad worked.......thanks 9,,,,,suppose lived near spikes....3
lads on wall..my guess..him on right skinny age 9...face...looks like
photo him in his 20s........9 at tudor rd sch perhaps...then
grammar......nov 16 1916 born..Glasgow yes read about his
grandparents....dad etc...Galloway...clyde
etc...........problems youth.....in biog.........wall brick..age 9.at
november.so 1924/5.....if changes a bit to bridge...brick wall curve
high...not show the iron.parts in close up photo....cover picture ..blue
does not say there it is spikes expect so...brick layers curve
top........swim..ready.....jump off......I enlarged it to kids faces
etc...there..........lucky niall....southall..mcnially really
john.........thankyou...grateful..........
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by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 27-Jun-2013
As far as hes dads job in
Scotland it sounds like he worked for Beardmores a large
engineers in Scotland Ian states they made aircraft guns
& taxis there were a lot of Beardmore taxis running around
London in the 1920/30/40, its possible that he worked at the
A.E.C Cramic in Western Road or Fairys aviation in Hayes
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by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 27-Jun-2013
Thats Cramic Engineering Western Road.
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Jun-2013
wonderful denis.....hope he did
not get effected by general strike 1926,,,,,,and yrs....my aunt spoke of
bad time s.....30s as well southall....workwise..........1935 just
married....were work problems...........engineering thought so scots and
clyde.....thought so..yes...southall hayes so good for
that............thanks denis........the brick curve bridge on
cover...wonder if the 3 kids.....jogged
down to bulls bridge......before modern painted white......might be
that one......leaning over on for swim..............on blue cover white
dome ..around them............. ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Jun-2013
rons
drawn...diagram...plan.................and hes been oz..many
yrs..wow...good lad .memory.....................spikes bridge goes
across.......left south...water overflowing.........the yeading
brook...curving round.....as maps show.......walking over
boggy.area..flooding yeading brook...today tony me walked over now large
heavy flat piece wood cover over
it..allotments...........................................over
brookside...bumpy field.path........ici..and cows...........right along
way of that west side canal......right hand way going north....2
inlets....sunken barges...........maps show the 2 inlets.....filled in
now....but we walked....dirt pathway council has there and dry day but
still soggy.............oozing in from canal....pond over back at
pillbox............along north....now..marina..residential
narrowboats...wood curve bridge side....to go in from canal.......then
denis..the old high curve metal bridge to durdans..lady marg
rd...........................back at spikes bridge tow path.......east
side going north....ron...has sports
field.municiple...park.....then.north side of that...at tow
path.....white bridge ...at tow path....canal goes into..the
dump............contue tow path...to....far top..taylow Woodrow and
Ruislip rd............back at spikes...ron..puts wimpeys.....along tow
path 1950s.......1960...I ran past side brickwall..because huge smell
rubber works like gas.....wall air outlet..poor workers inside
expanded.....smell like gas..over my walk over bridge to
yeading.........hour walk..dormers to yeading..lane..read black
beauty..book once...strolling it....ha...... ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Jun-2013
ron...that dear man has been in
oz so many yrs..and took the trouble to send a diagram........big
thankyou.......he puts the curve of yeading brook...under the rds of
berwich ashford.....which they built over as ....my maps
show............zeta said back garden....s......Berwick soggy..she often
wondered why..............
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by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 27-Jun-2013
Talking of work in the 1930
dad was an engineer but could get no work so he drove a
dustcart Ealing council.
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Jun-2013
yes my uncle west ave bad getting
married 30s....bad no work.....he did bit paint decorate......rheumatic
fever heart diseased valve....so bad heart condition.....aunt wife
worked....rented one room...food hard ..times.....south ave gardens
shared with her new married brother and wife...but not food in
30s...bad times..find money....work....also.bad 50s..my cousins...went
to Swindon...job and house
came with job......no house southall for them...newly
married.......................still there age
81...Swindon..........got...corner shop....lady marg 1950s1960....ideal
tobacco....by ketts electrical........by..small curve window
jewellers..on corner as cross to town hall....fancy low window.curved
glass...low...... ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Jun-2013
http://www.hillingdon.gov.uk/index.jsp?articleid=8717
council canal.walk...bankside to spikes bridge...sloe gin..bushes....dog
rose.......number 19 bridge spikes bridge....feeder..into canal from
Ruislip lido yr 1800 filled in.....not needed.....yeading
brook............over flow...
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 28-Jun-2013
I've been trying to work out Ian
Neill's age when he arrived in Southall. I feel a bit like Miss Marple.
It was summer when he arrived in Southall, and by what he said it was
1925. However, he would have been 9 in the November, so he was actually 8
when he arrived.I was wondering Yvonne if that photo in his book could
have been taken in Scotland before he left for Southall, as it was dated
1924, and he was
wearing the clothes he described in his book after he had left Galloway
and was then living in his father's house. He also mentioned he never
swam in the canal in Southall. Not trying to be a clever clogs, but I
enjoy mysteries. ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Jun-2013
never swam..canal..thats
interesting...photo on cover 3 lads canal swimmers......will try
...search further,,,gt marple...yes ..please
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Jun-2013
8yrs old birthday November in
Scotland..1924.....if photo there.......yes Galloway and
areas...................summer 1925 London.......nov 1925 9th
birthday........wonder who 3 lads are on wall..seems canal
bridge.........if bulls brick bridge before painted
white.....................clothes he wore....is that the photo..you
say...seems by the bridge tow path...................age about 8/9......................if
in Scotland ..standing.inside the book photo.........................I
have him in his 20s..tall slim..goodlooking face..narrow face dark
hair..photo taken when he published his 1st bk...he wrote over
40.............................worked London..for the spectator ..a
writer......colin only gave one photo as southall inside the
book.......the one of very old iron bridge spikes about
1925yrs...........arrive London summer 1925...southall straight away
.expect..dad enginneer job.........lots of that ..well known..by many in
southall.............. ... more >>
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 28-Jun-2013
He would have been 8 years old in
the photo dated 1924, and was still 8 when he arrived in Southall in
1925. Birthday November was 9 then. Yes, he was sitting on something
that was pushed up against the brick wall in the water. The brick bridge
was further away from him. Denis might know what it is. In the photo he
was wearing a chocolate jersey with a woollen tie coloured chocolate
and yellow and
chocolate stockings. These were the clothes he had provided when he
started living with his parents again in Scotland. There are fifteen
photos in the book, one of Galloway. Would he have been swimming by
Bull's Bridge though if it was canal? ... more >>
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 28-Jun-2013
Just had a thought about the three boys on the cover of his book. He had two brothers as well!
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by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 28-Jun-2013
It looks like an over flow
grate, i dont think its Bulls bridge the entrance behind him
is to small a barge would not go through it, pic of Bulls
bridge on my Flicker site d.sexton428.
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 28-Jun-2013
Thanks for the picture of Bull's Bridge Denis. I couldn't think where I'd seen it.
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by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 28-Jun-2013
Pauline i dont think that
pic is West London the stone work looks more Northern poss.
before he came to southall, he looks about 6 or 7.
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 28-Jun-2013
I think you're right Denis. It's
the clothes he was wearing as well- bought in Scotland. I think he was 8
though, as the photo was dated 1924, and he mentioned when he was in
Southall that it was 1925 and that was in the summer, so he must have
still been 8 then until his birthday in the November, when he was 9.
Thanks for the over flow grate. I didn't have a clue what it was. I
reckon he was sitting by that bridge because it was a haunt that he knew in Scotland and possibly they would swim in that water. ... more >>
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by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 28-Jun-2013
You could well be right Pauline.
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 28-Jun-2013
Thinking about what you said
Denis that Ian looked 6/7 in that photo. He could have been 7, but come
November 1924, he would have turned 8 - born in 1916.
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Jun-2013
yes born nov 13ish 1916.....1925
age 9 in November.in junior school if tudor rd...who was it sat next to
bidwell famous labour party council man southall..read.in
google............thanks..yes 2 brothers...do they look alike..they are 3
different ages....will look again...have the over blown up
large........younger brothers to him perhaps on the left of
photo........have one of him standing tall in
his 20s........overflow grate thanks denis..........somebody must have
had a camera,,,his dad perhaps............early days to afford a
camera...................... ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Jun-2013
close up on the 3 at
photo.....straight wall bit...hanging over to swim......right looks so
much like skinny..he is in age 20s photo...smallslim face........middle
looks younger if younger brother.......left..similar age but fuller
face.......3 bros makes sense...if dad takes photo.....straight
wall..brick...old wall.....top across painted white row top
level..across brick..wall side........usually
they used to jump off the middle of canal..bridge .many brick
ones..into middle area canal swim...4ft deep..even if could not swim,age
7/8/9 ,,,,,could probably be ok...............15 photos sounds
nice.......blue cover photo of book...they did not put inside at cover
what cover is..suppose................2001/2..85 died...chilterns after
wales wife 3 kids....over flow grate.....sounds interesting..........
... more >>
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 28-Jun-2013
It was a bit easier having Ian's
photo to look at in the book plus reading about things that were going
on without divulging too much for those who hadn't read it yet.
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Jun-2013
lovely
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 28-Jun-2013
Nothing was inside the cover of
the book to give any clues where the picture of the boys was taken. They
did state though, erroneously, that Ian was about 12 when he moved
South.
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Jun-2013
ah..confusing..they
are......thankyou so much........lots in google he in the 1920s at his
gdad farm.....to avoid meningitus .at Glasgow.......so lovely he
enjoyed the countryside..over 40 bks..wrote for country life and
spectator...he and wife over 40 yrs wales....then back this way...the
chilterns...died age 85..................john mcneillie ...pen name
ian..niall.........engineer dad would be
southall to choose oh yes........thanks..lovely.........like the photo
stripped top off swim..lovely photo.....brown socks boot shoes..lad on
the left.........great devilsmile..joy cheeky.. of right hand boy...ribs
show..skinny..to get in water..wet looking hair...middle lad
younger...ha...gt photo.......the right hand boy looks so much like ian
in his 20s.............thankyou..grateful....... ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Jun-2013
could be skinny ribs showing....
ian..on right...huge joy..impish face..1924/5 London........my guess
southall canal...wall effect.....dad gets camera..his new job
southall...send photo 3 lads back to gdad farm....show family doing
ok.down south....ha.......lovely photo have blown it full screen......so
many loved swim paddle canal...jumping etc............8ish yrs
old.....right hand boy could be.......he
is slim narrow.small faced...small frame in his 20s yr old photo...got
taller though....1st book.published then.........wall type canal..bridge
effect ..my guess...local to us somewhere...canal................if
they lived ..bankside or ..spikes bridge rds in 1925yrs.........or visit
to top lock......walls .bridge etc........bulls bridge
... more >>
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 28-Jun-2013
Afraid I'm not convinced about
swimming in the canal. Ian said "I went on over the footbridge
determined that I would never become a canal swimmer, no matter how hot
the summer day might be."
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Jun-2013
oh that's good......well so bad
that canal was....hot day in cover photo..might just be took shirts
off........he enjoyed his ealy 1920s days on gdad farm..tonys mum
escaped Glasgow..after 1920s........1939/40 she was Chiswick...then on
to Feltham......with mum dad siblings......but her mum hated the bombing
went back to Scotland for a while but back both buried Feltham..1950s
years...elderly....we went Glasgow to see relative in the 70s..loch lomand etc.............. ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Jun-2013
denis......have got the Trojans
6th group....1933 started by frank bluett........for waxlow estate
boys.........at mt pleasant hall.............hq cranleigh gdns......then
1975 hq Allenby rd...............opened................
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by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 28-Jun-2013
Yvonne i was in the 3rd
Spartans we meet at North Road School & Holy Trinity hall
Lady Marg, Rd. but i am wondering if Frank Bluitt had a
daughter called Denise they lived in a prefab on Hillside
Road, i was at school from infants Lady Marg. to
leaving Dormers
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Jun-2013
could be frank and wife started the Trojans..........all in your area...should think they lived there 1933 onwards.....
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by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 28-Jun-2013
Yes Yvonne it all fits into the old Waxlow ward
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Jun-2013
http://www.flickr.com/photos/52913905@N06/page1/
board11.......ian...niall.......and his son .Andrew biog of his
dad......picture of the 3 boys on brick......close up..there......ian
sat next to sid bidwell at tudor rd..sid famous .many many yrs labour
party southall........
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by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 29-Jun-2013
Pauline i wonder if the pic
of Ian sat on the grate is the bridge over the river by
the distillery he mentions on page 17.
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Jun-2013
grate....the
plot...thickens...ha...page 17...........distillery....good luck
slooths...marple........Greenford carnival today....hanwell was 2 weeks
ago.....hanwell started 1890ish............what yr did southall carnival
end......................1965 southall lost its borough to ealing
broadway town hall borough..........................len told us of tommy
trinder comedian and ...beaches billy smart
fun fair..circus....opening there.....carnival..40s.........huge all
through the streets regina rd...south rd...broadway high st...to
park............lorries floats..carnival queen..............what yr did
it end..at southallapprox................hayes carnival 14
july................ ... more >>
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by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 29-Jun-2013
Thanks Yvonne.
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 29-Jun-2013
Denis - yes, I've just seen it. I
was trying to think of where they would be swimming in Scotland. The
Distillery by the bridge over the river. Well spotted. That was in
Galloway though. I'm sure where Ian was sitting on that grate in the
river was a well known place to him. In 1924, at the age of 7/8 he would
have been living in his father's house near the Clyde, returning to his
Grandfather's home in
Galloway before they moved south in the summer of 1925? The only thing
that bothers me is the outfit he was wearing which was bought for him
when he first went back to his father's house after living with his
grandparents. ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Jun-2013
wonder if it is
river...grate..distillery....near his gdad farm....2 biogs..in
google.....said his love ...of being out and about was the
countryside..........if the 3 brothers...they .explore...all areas
around the farm.............biog..it said the name of farm place may be
distillery near there...fresh water river essential...........and your
page 17 photo....................lots on board11 now
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Jun-2013
his son...several places on
google..and email.......he also writer..from Exeter uni...born 12 aug
1946 n wales...over 40 yrs ian wales........biog done by his son..in
google....son would know...about the 2
photos......................Andrew mcneillie.....john..was ians real
name.....pen name ....niall.......................
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Jun-2013
7 nov 1916
ian...born...son..would be so please..google often has feedback...on
biog..or novels..and his countryside bks...his son..be so
pleased..people...interested..2 sons one daughter ian had.........will
try put more photos on board11..cant see to use that flickr..since
changes...
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 29-Jun-2013
I think that photo of Ian dated
1924 in the book by the side of the river where he was sitting on the
grate near the bridge, dressed in his smart clothes, was to send to his
grandparents in Galloway. He had spent his formative years with them,
and when he returned to his parents near the Clyde his mother began to
change the way he had lived and dressed on the farm. He said he looked
like "a dummy in a shop window". That's only one thought! ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Jun-2013
sounds good
thinking...Pauline......the middle boy of the 3 ..on wall......if
ian...at cover...if his 2 brothers bit older...or friends....middle lad
is very nicely dressed...shy of game and water.....the other
2...revel..in tops off ..look like...to play in water..........just
been..gt day out.....union canal..and rivers.....wonderful heron
ducks..babies etc....................6 photos...............the
2 of 2 bridges..wall brick....at the tow path...side of
canal....parallel...to canal.....the are over...to ..inlets..out of the
canal.......water under tow path bridges...as the...water..branches
out...off the canal....photos show...old brick...with...exactly the
same....wide row of roof ...brick...along the top....as the cover photo
of 3 lads at the wall....tops off like swimming.......denis...ron...as
of white bridge,...tow path....outlet inlet...of water....north
east...along..edge of spikes bridge pk..but filled in now.........the
white bridge 40s 50s....might be at ian...1930 time.......those
yrs..might have been ordinary red old brick with white top
edge.......then later..they painted it all white...........white top one
still at union..canal....took photos today...............just like
cover photo of ian book...................barges narrow boats
gt..loads....one with amazing....gypsy like narrow boat..paintings...and
inside.....elaborate...traditional..quaint........heron flew length of
canal.....and cormorants....fish............reflexions...crystal clear
waters.....bikes joggers tow path...gt pub......garden....canal cottages
yr 1800...quaint..........tiny windows water pump..cottage
gdns.......Canada geese babies......coots moorhens...pekin Aylesbury
duck..... ... more >>
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 29-Jun-2013
Ian's two brothers were younger
than him. He talks about a clean river running between Northolt and
somewhere between Hayes and Heston called the Brook!
Mentions paddling in it.
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by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 29-Jun-2013
Pauline would that be the brook flowed thro Yeading.
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Jun-2013
yeading brook...goes
down..southall spikes......area west bulls bridge....down south....is
cranford park....hayes corner.....the brook changes its name to river
crane..for cranford....all history in google says yeading brook changes
its name there to..river crane..then onto the thames..........clean flow
yes.........yeading brook...comes across brookside........from.yeading
lane........so much thought
of as Northolt.....white hart roundabout there is
Northolt.....ici..munitions...ammo factory..brookside fields is
Northolt.........yes clean flow river..yeading brook......flooded quite a
lot.boggy swampy...........hayes joins the parish of Heston....at
cranford pk area..northhyde southall lane is far edge parish of
Heston.........2 brothers younger......cover could be 2 friends if they
are with him....middle one younger in nice clothes..........or slim
narrow face right one seemed him..ian....with 2 younger ones to the left
of him.......
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Jun-2013
section of yeading brook turned
into river crane.......is famous the splash..northyde hayes southall
lane Heston parish boundary cranford pk..yeading brook the splash all
merge there............all the kids of that area paddled the
splash...decades..my aunt 1914 did...kids 1937 did....kids 1960s say
they did....ford over river photos show large area of splash..gt
fun..loads of kids talk of......roads
houses ..built over the area now....road is called splash road
now............ian from southall..qick sprint ...up from.spikes gas wks
tow path..to mbulls bridge and...bingo..splash...along there
paddling.....bulls has got brick..wall bridge..with white along
top...........now all white but.... 1925 yrs..............paddling the
splash..and 3 kids sitting on the water bridge there......right hand boy
looks like ian....bit the eldest......been paddling etc..he got top
off...huge excitement......yes paddling in the splash which is yeading
brook joining into river crane...................it was .every kid
played there so famous...my aunt told me of it..she lived along there
they all born there.......water huge wide splash...called the splash by
all...road named after it now in google
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by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 29-Jun-2013
Yes Yvonne Mum used to tell me of the splash at Cranford.
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 29-Jun-2013
He also mentioned by the side of
this river, not a stone's throw from the hedges boundary of the Uxbridge
road was Rowse's farm.
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Jun-2013
rowses have seen them ...in local
family tree work....1911 census etc.....saw that family local..rowses
farm.........uxbridge....road..........so...hayes bridge
bankside.......ian .living....could be in..terraced cottage bankside
southall........yeading brook river runs all down the west side of
bankside ....to splash cranford hayes Heston border............
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Jun-2013
lovely canal...wall.......etc....gt photos today..on board11..so beautiful .gt weather.......
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Jun-2013
6 photos ..have....over the last
couple of yrs of the splash..over different yrs..large area ford..of the
river ..yeading brook into crane river.....spreads across..old lane
there.....my aunt loved it.....all kids did .all generations..large area
of splash wide ford.......
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 30-Jun-2013
One of Ian's brothers was a toddler when he was 10, so a big age difference.
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Jun-2013
wow...that's
surprise...thanks........3 on cover might be mates
friends..wall......DENIS.IF OK TO SAY WHAT your mum maiden name if she
splash.what yrs was she there..local.........we know locals there
neighbours etc.......mine there 1914 to 1928 ..the common.......then
moved to west avenue........
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Jun-2013
http://www.streetmap.co.uk/street/WATER_SPLASH_LANE_in_HAYES_in_MIDDLESEX_in_UB3_621425_289940.htm
lovely in google..street map..modern...faint wording thee watersplash
lane with footbridge over it...the yeading brook turning into its name
river crane...to go south to thames..........green wood
area.field.....west side..yeading brook under bulls bridge area.....east
side says bulls bridge the boat..yard..repair
dock area of large bulls bridge area over canal..Paddington
arm...........the modern newer..pub..there at splash now..called crane
pub................the watersplash lane...ancient track...before any of
those modern roads built.............there were only couple tracks lanes
in the whole area there...way back.............clean yeading brook and
river crane there for paddle yes...............and over brookside past
delamere they paddled yeading brook at stepping stones there 50s
60s......saw.................over sports field...brookside .the brook
meandered.... ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Jun-2013
in google...ealing library the
ernest ham paintings....postcards also....of the splash.......2010 in
google..uk auctioneers sold £40..ern ham watercolour of the splash
southall...from islewight owner.......could be .haugh daughter who lives
isle wight...........ham 1874 died 1958 lifetime southall.oils and
watercolours..donated many to library......84 when he died..walked
southall often.painting.aisle...1940 painting of the splash.......so war and 18 yrs before he died....... ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Jun-2013
on tv now..with tonys grand
prix..Hamilton.flew with red arrows..5g..cameras video...the best
ever..wonderful..views....in
google..http://www.hillingdon.gov.uk/index.jsp?articleid=8720
gt walks cranford pk and canal.......north of bulls bridge yeading brook
south called river crane..little bridge over the crane to go into
mansion hse area church of cranford pk....splash lane long curved
lane..nestle south down
to..cranford pk bridge......says..ford over the road to
southall.splash..says..canal overspill on the south side..going into
topping up the river crane..prevents locks further along from
flooding......... ... more >>
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by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 30-Jun-2013
Yeading > > It was always known locally as "The brook". It never had any other name
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Jun-2013
yes yeading brook all down south
to bulls bridge then all the history items....have written that it
becomes and known as river crane south of it .bulls bridge into cranford
park ......in google speaks of it several times...history.......name
becomes river crane at that point.........
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Jun-2013
LOVELY...GREEN CHAIN BY
GOVERNMENT 1924 1951...in google....thames ........joining..known as
river crane..Isleworth Twickenham Hounslow.cranford to bulls bridge
southall..with..THE WATERSPLASH...of fame..there..ford....southall bulls
bridge .town boundary..known as yeading brook from there........yeading
Ruislip.roxeth pinner..north harrow....with the river pinn that joined
it............yeading brook and river pinn..families know..of flooding....generations.......I have lived both areas......... ... more >>
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 30-Jun-2013
There were several mentions of
"the Brook" by Ian, and when the three brothers went out for the day
with their sandwiches (the very young one wanted to come)they ended up
mucking about in the brook again. A lovely tale, but I won't spoil it.
At no time was there any swimming in the "cut".
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Jun-2013
1924 1925 on yrs yeading
brook....at its end..down by bulls bridge..blending into river
crane..and the ford ..large across the area..early yrs then..not built
up...so just to find a wall that 3 lads were on..with white .trim bricks
along the top of the old bricks.....yeading brook..just near cut
..somuch of its way there..without actually being the cut for
paddling...gt photos of inlet...feeder off
.river brook...have put on board 11..off along tow path..river brooks
along there near..because used as feeder and overflow....without being
in the cut itself....wall.looks just the same as cover photo....3 photos
board3.....taken yesterday.....gt weather gt
weekend..................... ... more >>
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 30-Jun-2013
If you read the place where they
all were in the brook, it was so secluded, and from what he said he
didn't ever want to swim in the canal! It wasn't anywhere near Spikes
Bridge where they were.
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Jun-2013
that's lovely .......the brook
secluded........the paintings by ham..and old pictures we have of the
watersplash...at the south end of yeading brook...lots
..secluded....growth countryside...going towards..old cranford
pk..countryside growth.......pity his son Andrew would know..born 1946
..2006ish he wrote the biography of his ..dad ian.... in google........
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by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 30-Jun-2013
Yvonne mums maiden name was
Wyatt but they did not live near the splash she saw it as
they drove through it.
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Jun-2013
lovely...wyatt.....did not see
that in geneology work................paddle
...brook...splash...........but the bridge on the front ..cover..old
brick and white.painted row on top....is another thing....be nice to
know..that wish son Andrew was available.....3 lads seem to be having
such good time.......
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by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 30-Jun-2013
It would be interesting to find the house that was built for them is in Southall.
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Jul-2013
denis........the house built for
your family your mum you spoke of.........or of ian..father...house for
them.......it should be possible.with enough clues....20s 30s.when all
the houses were going up.......let me know..might be able to....
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by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 1-Jul-2013
The house built for the father that they moved into in Southall, poss. Yeading area?
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by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 1-Jul-2013
Sorry the house Ian moved into, be good to get some pics of it.
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Jul-2013
yes......new building..was going
on yeading..1925 ish yrs...yeading brook there and tranquil...green
fields shrubs...west side of yeading lane and also east side brookside
to.spikes bridge...yeading brook.would be his area.................clean
paddle..........famous bridge at..yeading....off yeading lane is golden
bridge....across yeading brook...west side of yeading lane.....on
maps..in google........looking
for the wall and tops off 3 lads..white row of bricks at top of the old
brick wall.....seems bridge.............andrew his son..would know the
address and house location.............engineer work.yeading areas would
be hayes as well as southall................guess ians dad born
1895..approx...with ian 7 nov 1916.......so his dad..might not have just
.just not gone abroad for 1 st war.......his father if not dead might
have been home guard in 2nd war.or essential
work..factory..enginner....war effort......if his dad still southall
areas..alive then..................the 1925 built houses yeading
lane...are...east side......up towards the top.....older houses
there.......row of cottage terrace...by the yeading brook
itself...middle of yeading lane by industry pub...west side.........the
son Andrew born 1946 xmas would know.........brook dominates the whole
area....rural tranquil brookside fields 1925..very nice for
ian..paddle..........but the big old brick wall poss bridge 3 kids.white
row brick top....looks like..so.many......they have at junctions
brooks.....tow path....river junctions at tow path inlets...cover blue
photo.....mystery..kids so excited tops off...water near.. ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Jul-2013
lovely ingoogle...yeading
brook.areas...west of spikes bridge west edge yeading lane....spindle
wood.used for spinning bobbins......wet meadows..10 acre wood
hazel.since the 1800s............wood bridge....country conservation
area..cowslip.yeading wood..there.....Bernard miles actor fought with
his family living there preserve golden bridge yeading brook.........of
the 1500s.......1986 new bridge
.restored built there at golden bridge..of historic fame...yeading
brook................by kingsmead by Warley rd........canal ditch feeder
there from Ruislip lido..built yr1810 to feed grad union canal south of
spikes bridge...but filled in..was not needed..........yeading brook
meadows.....nature reserve all spreading areas around....managed by the
wildlife trust..woodpeckers etc etc........green belt land to the
western ave a40.............may well been areas .house and play of
ian.........1925 yrs......with spikes bridge east of it all.....13/15
photos in his book...........nostalgia...his 1925...around
yrs.....local................... ... more >>
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 1-Jul-2013
By the description Ian gives when
the fair comes to town, it is on the side of the road along where the
Drill Hll was eventually built. Definitely not Bankside, as it was a
road with two rows of old houses at either end
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Jul-2013
yes remember len talking of the
fair come to town..he spoke of up by hayes bridge by old drill
hall.....north side hayes bridge 1925 before Berwick ashford built on
our old 1932 maps..we have ..flickr...........yes bankside 1800s
yrs..brickmakers terraced houses under grade 2 listed.heritage
now...old...........so..he is over by yeading brook..going up..west side
canal...from brookside fields........1925
all open there then......hays farm....of hay fields for the hoses
...and farm.you spoke of..lots there.canal transport rowsesfarm
areas..northwest side canal..off uxbridge rd....yes rowses have seen in
geneology wk...........new house his dad had..could be in that
corner.....some huses there 1925 then later added to at Berwick and
ashford....clean fast flow yeading brook yes there..towards hayes
bridge..uxbridge rd......waggonhorses pub....just off to one side as
yeading brook.....crosses over uxbridge rd.....it was the
boundary...before 1798 canal cut through there and new bridge built
uxbridge rd for canal...............thanks Pauline..........getting
warmer...ideas ... more >>
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 1-Jul-2013
Another possible clue was that their horizon was a row of old cottages that had housed generations of canal bargees' families.
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 1-Jul-2013
I, too, remember that fair as I went there when I was five, living at Bankside then.
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Jul-2013
canal bargee
families....horizon..census..read so often..in google..several
parts.free....along by waggon horses pub...etc....1891 1901
1911.....labourers cottages.....rowses saw their name......census always
has boats at the end of the page and .mans name..dwellers...barges...so
all in that..corner...north west..canal yeading brook...before
delemere.....opposite old at..centre...before Berwick ashford
built about 1935 ish..yrs....open tranquil areas of brookside yeading
brook...horizon...bargees dwellings.....looking east
then..horizon.behind of canal edge....ian of the.brook layed..before the
canal edge..always off west side brook runs along..canal..to bulls
bridge.....as feeder to canal..weirs waterfall.s....etc....inlets
docks.........cold that brrok...I lived by and paddle icy
cold...ha...fast flow fresh water so always icy....ha.....refreshing on
hot day over brookside walked daily hour..read black beauty while
walking there 3 yrs.........across to spikes...my aunt went ..but by
bike..to work......across there.daily 7day week 4/5 yrs she
went.....across..across bumpy field ......I loved the nature .tranquil
of it all as well......huge open spaces.....cows yes..pats...ha ... more >>
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 1-Jul-2013
I'm not sure if you've got it
right Yvonne. It was right by where the Drill Hall was, in a made up
road. Hayes bridge (which is mentioned) was further on.
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Jul-2013
lovely..ok....nice......board26.got golden bridge fast flow yeading
brook..liable to floods charvill lane west of yeading
lane....photo....lovely in google..hawthorn black thorn..butterflies
dragonflies kestrel sparrowhawk..crickets grasshoppers...film.on the
bridge in google....demo.there 1929 b miles actor familylived
there..1986 new bridge built
there.....stone..........................1996 film..in
google....yes at ..ok....horizon...bargees....1925
yrs...brook.....lovely......rowses farm........len spoke of fair up by
there.......coming................yeading brook meanders on old maps
goes the whole areas there..........
... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Jul-2013
http://www.londoncanals.co.uk/ruislip/ruislp06.html
yeading brook...from west coming into yeading lane...nature reserve
chervil areas..nice photos..here...flooding water meadows..old .feeder
from Ruislip...and nice photos of yeading fast flow
brook.............board11 and board26 general.....
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by Janice Johnson (Member 10240407) on 1-Jul-2013
Pauline - Were the cottages named
Newells Cottages which, as I've been told, stood near the canal
somewhere on the border of Southall and Hayes - an ancestor of mine was
born at No.8. I really must buy this book!
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 1-Jul-2013
No, no names of cottages were
mentioned, only that the bargees' cottages were opposite them, and there
was a contractor's yard and stabling for about two dozen carthorses
close by. They were the only ones in their new house, and the new
development was between the older parts. Yes, you should get the book to
read - it's really lovely, funny in parts and also very sad.
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Jul-2013
on the census....would show you
the image page of how the census man walked along..showing location..of
where.......the cottages rented owned by different people...newells
owning...some.......but..today along the canal .now ....called bankside
rd...but on census.....things are called by ..the owner of the cottages
rented....so newells section..of terraced cottages might have been along
there...canal
edge....or ..in the areas around....row of cottages on census hayes
farm..labourers dwellings going up to waggon horses pub..south side.near
bridge uxbridge rd..............but....1925 yrs.onwards ian.years
of.southall............ ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Jul-2013
hayes farm was still going 1925
to early 1930s....large areas there....hay for many yrs canal took hay
to london.by canal.brought back manure.from.London horses...cart horses 2
dozen...you say...stabling...,,bargees cottages opposite......new
house....in ..old dwellings area..between older parts...........new
development.......deleware...was starting new development....Berwick
ashford ave...slowly
gradually developed those yrs.....bargees canal...and the yeading brook
flowed..all through .that area...as zeta said..she lived there.... ... more >>
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by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 1-Jul-2013
Page 31 of Ians book states
hes father worked at Hayes with his background at Thomas
Beardmores it would be almost certain he worked at Fairy
Aviation to which he cycled every day.
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by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 1-Jul-2013
Yvonne have these cottages
now been knocked down will take a look next time i am in
Southall, will try to get some pics.
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 1-Jul-2013
Yes, Zeta would remember the
brook near her. She would also remember Spikes Bridge in both her and my
time being a criss cross bridge.
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 1-Jul-2013
I'm so sorry Janice as I've only
just realised that I didn't answer the question about Newells Cottages
to you, as I thought it was from Yvonne!
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Jul-2013
many people who lived near canal
near yeading brook there.....cycled..the tow path to
work..war..women.walked cycled....the tow path to hayes
munitions......bulls bridge.....off fairey way...around
there......thanks....could be fairey.......bankside famous
terraced...row ..heritage listed 1830 brickfield labourers tow path
canal..still there ...photos in google.......lovely to see ,canal nice
along there...behind
hambro pub that had fire..south bit down from hayes bridge.....waggon
horses terraced labourers cottages uxbridge rd in census..long
gone..most old dweelings condemned..........opposite ta.centre complex
of building..were new roads built new huses..that is all still
there...north side west ..of hayes bridge uxbridge rd southall
border.....yeading brook runs all under................... ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Jul-2013
the old maps I put on flickr a
while ago 1932......just before a lot of new .houses roads being
built...all up that .way......cycle hayes..like many did...if tow
path..many went that way to hayes
factories......engineering.etc.......well the old map shows that..around
bankside and around...north side..west side delemare or east side.tudor
rd.lanncaster...1925 yrs...empty areas there 1932 map shows
lots of dotted areas of houses and new roads being built......because
all around tudor rd school it was brickfields.....in Edwardian Victorian
times...then..rows rows houses springing up gradually...bits of rented
old dwellings..called terraces etc....labourers .4/6 in row rented by
the owners surname used....newells etc............nice photos
board11......... ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Jul-2013
yes 6 places in
google.....beardmores..Thomas...Wikipedia has engineering shipbuilding
clyde Glasgow.....1886 to 1935.....peak had 40000 work there...tony s
mum from Glasgow.......1957 it was sold......had parkhead forge.....dad
cycled daily to hayes.....was of engineering///could be fairey or
another ..place in hayes..........canal and yeading brook...go all down
south to hayes.....bulls bridge......1925
very rural...tranquil..nature........areas......cover with wall and
white top to it.3 lads.......seems very likely photo to send home to
gdads farm..nice photo of the lads settled ..in southall border with
hayes....very excited play photo.......wall bridge looks
like.......around the 1925 yrs.. ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Jul-2013
http://www.my-ivefamily.me.uk/southall830/page45.html
knew had seen......newells on geneology ..local history work......colin
gave us mr meads book....small row of small cottages for brickfield
labourers.......8.8 million bricks a year....owner master brickmaker
owner called newell...southall
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Jul-2013
saw it on census when doing
mine.......yrs ago..............free in google.lots on newell
southall........1891 census there in google.....newels cottages6 of
them.....between north rd and beehive pub..........1891......newells
cottages mount pleasant..there......
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Jul-2013
1891..census.....brickfields
owner newell...........southall...............1891 landlord hambro pub
by hayes bridge by bankside canal.......frances newell.wife kids
4........often brickfield owners families had pub.s.thirst of
brickies..1890 yrs 1850 yrs.....by canal transport bricks.......
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Jul-2013
just read.......the white lion..pub....was on the canal bank...for bargees,and brickmakers.......etc
then moved to the corner of white st...for gas wks workers.....burnt
down in riots 3 july 1981....1906 to 1925 of mr meads...........pub was
called Frankie newells after the landlord and brickmaster
owner............at white lion...pub used in tv filming photos our
boards....bbc tv etc........
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Jul-2013
meant hambro burnt down
riot....but 2 ..Frankie newell.......family...many yrs...1891
publican..was 75 yr old frances newell........later at early years of
the hambro pub was Frankie newell...his son...brickfields.by canal
there.............so 2 pubs of them as brickmaking owners.....one had
the white lion......also.......
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 2-Jul-2013
Looking at the pictures of the
two brick walls on Southallboard11 (don't know if they're yours Denis
DSCN7367 & DSCN7368)I notice that the white stone at the top is
ridged, whereas the one in the cover of Ian's book is flush.
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by Bill Henley (Member 10272156) on 2-Jul-2013
I am researching the names
mentioned in my grandfather's WW1 diary. They were all in the 1 8
Middlesex Territorial Regiment. I wonder if anyone knows of the family
of Bert Cusi. My grandfather may have got the name wrong or possibly I
am misreading his pencilled handwriting. So far I have had no success in
finding him. On 1st May 1915 he made the cross when they buried two
comrades "under an apple tree full of blossom." The two they buried are now named on the Menin gate as having unknown graves. ... more >>
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by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 2-Jul-2013
Bill-my late fathers younger brother Arthur Sidney Braden is also named on the Menin Gate Memorial
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Jul-2013
yes we walked at weekend..gt
weather took photos for you and for denis..........0ne wall
bridge....and 2 of further along another wall bridge.........asked
tonyif could stop andphoto foryou anddenis.......2 of the tow path inlet
bridges..going off to streams...to a lake..........with each of the 2
bits photoed to show the white top..of brick..of old brown brick of wall
side..............thanks.....ridged...and
ian cover top white flush.......thanks..kind of you.....we had gt
countryside day out.........board11 nice new ones there.........but this
area was not southall hayes............so flush or.ridged ..different
brickies do it differently......it was nowhere near ian
area...............but idea of white on..waters..bridges of dark
brick.....often see white as top part.....in all areas.......ian has
white top........on cover photo.3 kids ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Jul-2013
we went to men gate....5 yrs
ago.......was interesting..........kew has all the archive of war.open
daily visit.....and online ancestry ...and find my past.........the
regiment might help....I got in touch with local royal fuselliers of
mine.....head office tower London...he helped a
lot.....archivist.reg..iment.......x..as sign...but the clerk..would
write his name on their papers...........
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Jul-2013
denis....have put link to
board11....on your 1st photo your flickr.............your free gift bk
queen coronation 1953 that nice page spikes bridge and timber wharf on
it..in that booklet as well...............
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Jul-2013
Pauline.....is not hayes or
southall walls bridges.......but tony has just looked..but not time
yet....to enlarge and zoom..in..........our day out...yes ridge
tiles....like on roof...like on walls to keep wet out....of
brick...etc......usually domed curve ridge...top..like wood fence the
posts put curve bit wood on top....keep rain out of rot........tony
looked at ian book cover ..a bit........boys
hand on it....lad trying to balance sit on it over ..it.......hard to
tell old book cover...old photo.......KEITH.....keith of
waterways..know........he muight know if walls bridges brick...had flush
white......top layer on the very top...white painted ...but as you say
Pauline flush...not curved or ridge......the top layer.....my gdad
uncle were bricklayers ..ha..don't laugh....lifetime........ha.... ... more >>
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 2-Jul-2013
I don't know anything about
bricks unfortunately Yvonne, but the more I looked at the brick wall the
three boys were sitting on, something didn't look right. When I looked
at the ones your husband had photographed they looked much more
substantial. It would be good to find out where it was taken. I don't
think the photo was taken to send to the grandparents, as the boys were
up and down to Galloway
on the train in school holidays with the money they had saved for doing
jobs, plus things that had happened up there. Can't say any more.
Thanks to you both for taking the photos though. It's appreciated. ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Jul-2013
lovely ..pretty
photos..reflexions in water........yes ok..........don't know when ours
were built.......if more substantial.......it was the old industry as
usual...inlets......canal..to off water to workings..then lake
behind.....rough not posh bricks...the workings owner would have
payed...for..only rough brick..............then the brick of ian
cover................several seem to have the white
top........best wishes.......workhouse 9pm..itv.lots of people are
watching because of geneology etc.......repeat of midwife next week 6
episodes..channel 20 freeiew..wednesdays ... more >>
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by Bill Henley (Member 10272156) on 2-Jul-2013
Further to my enquiry about Bert
Cusi, I now think that the name was probably Bert Cuss. Just in case the
name rings a bell somewhere.
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Jul-2013
many of us been to
York.......record never been beaten..british engineering..75 yrs ago
30s...6steam trains York celebrate,,,mallard 126
mph.........Scotsman...gt trains...british coal...
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by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 3-Jul-2013
Thank for the link Yvonne,
whent to Nene Vally Rly. last year saw Bittern the sister
engine Mallard also saw Tornado the steam loco that was built
recently.
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Jul-2013
hope you saw the 2 lots of
boards..links there 400 photos..clicks ok,,,,,,with...ian.etc and
general......let me know any feedback....any photos or
general...................etc..etc...gt York ..they are having 2 wks
celabration..coming from all over the world
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by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 3-Jul-2013
Yes Yvonne thanks will let you know if anything happens.
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Jul-2013
ok...they both click ok..and open ok..links there....
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by Jean Kirby (Member 10268700) on 5-Jul-2013
I was lucky enough to go to York
on Wednesday with my husband, we went on a day trip aboard a train
pulled by Tornado the latest steam locomotive to be built. It was a
fantastic day we went into the Steam Museum and saw all the six A4
Locos. Mu husband is a great enthusiast of steam and we often do these
trips. It is great to step back in time, it was the first time that
either of us had been to the Museum and we had a great day out. ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 5-Jul-2013
wonderful jean....wish nearer would be great for all of us to see,,,have been to York 4 times lovely absolutely lovely
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by Jean Kirby (Member 10268700) on 5-Jul-2013
As you say Yvonne it is a pity
that everyone can't see this spectacle. The only trouble was that they
were close together and it was difficult to take photos although there
was a sort of viewing platform where you could stand and look at them,
it was extremely crowded as you would expect. It was a very long day as
we left home at 5am to pick up Tornado at Potters Bar at 7am. We
finally got home at 1.30am on Thursday. Tomorrow we are going to watch Oliver Cromwell as she goes over Harringworth Viaduct. ... more >>
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by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 5-Jul-2013
I belive Tornado cost £2
million to build what a superb loco it is & good value
by to days standards.
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by Jean Kirby (Member 10268700) on 5-Jul-2013
My husband says about 3 million
in cost and took 18 years to build it. We have done several trips with
her in her apple green livery also Brunswick green and now in the lovely
blue. We were told that she will be going back to apple green the
colour which we preferred. These trips although expensive are well worth
doing, it takes you right back in time to days and times long gone. On
the way to York the actual place where Mallard broke the record is a Plaque which states the date and speed of 75 years ago. ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 5-Jul-2013
yes 75 yrs for brits and never
broken record..hope murray to final...soon know..and fingers crossed
final we saw berni Nolan in blood brothers London.so good dear
lady..bless her,,jean collection viaduct photos all yrs iron bridge and
1932 steam train over are gt...gwr..
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by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 6-Jul-2013
I live very close to the place where Mallard broke the record
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by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 6-Jul-2013
Even at £3 million Tornado is
magnificent loco, Mallard broke the record at Stoke Bank
between Grantham & Peterbrouogh in the attempt Mallard
damaged a main bearing & had to limp into Peterbrouogh it
was changed for another loco.
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Jul-2013
your 1st photo on your flickr
denis....has a click opening link there..in comment...for our
photos.etc.for you to see ...the page of queen booklet..
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by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 6-Jul-2013
Thanks will look.
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by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 6-Jul-2013
Re comments Flicker photo
from new Spikes bridge it states the photo is looking
north, i am certain it is looking south the white houseboat
is on the Hayes bridge side & the new housing estate
across is the old Lancaster rd site of Wimpeys. The White
bridge it had if my memory serves me right white hand rails
the rest of the bridge was black this is a 54 year memory but i am certain of it. ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Jul-2013
lovely denis...yes google had
look north....I have changed it tow path it is look south.....bridges
are funny....several with white tops like ian .photo front of
book...........local different brick layers...tow path bridges..inlets
not .bridges across the canal.........thanks.....anything there else etc
that you like with links..there................
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Jul-2013
denis if you scroll below photos
you see descriptions comments..etc....old brick of walls or
bridges....white top row..on top of it......curved to keep
rain..off...porous.bricks....
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Jul-2013
DENIS....thank yes huge
change..south side rds..by spikes bridge.....new houses built 1990s
yrs.....by Lancaster dane..etc...in the gap there.BACK
GARDENS........close up to tow path now east side of tow
path.......thanks your white bridge....you ron
.remember..dump.etc...north side edge of municipal..park.spikes.at tow
path....canal inlet...bridge..white rail...you ...say
thanks......................many all local canal..white top like that..old bricks.brown......wall bridge effects............... ... more >>
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by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 6-Jul-2013
Thanks Yvonne, yes white tops
to bridges suspect it could viability in the dark barge
horses ect. but i could be wrong, yes i remember the dump it
was the white bridge inlet being filled in at the back of
Cranleigh flats that would be the 1950s it was at the side
of the old P.O.W camp a bit further along towards Spikes
bridge there was a small building that was a gas treatment building from WW11 but thats gone now new houses ... more >>
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by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 6-Jul-2013
Yvonne they a brill load of
pics anything to with dear old Southall is good in my book,
& the pics are good too.
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Jul-2013
glad you like 3yrs ..200 on each
board 54 boards.....rare gt photos...yes.....white top walls old
brick..bridges...all areas..and tow path side ..inlets............glad
you liked links....each photo scroll under descriptions comments
etc...feel free add yours..your chat and comments there or here at
knowhere...................mike braden dad...remembered prison war
camp...............ian book cover white top wall..or bridge............tops off lads......ian liked paddling.............
... more >>
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by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 6-Jul-2013
Thanks Yvonne will have ago.
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Jul-2013
ok..denis....fascinating .photos board11 today added
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 6-Jul-2013
Just another clue to Ian Niall's
wanderings. On pages 71/72, he said how his mother was only too glad to
have peace, and she would make sandwiches for him and his younger
brother, and sometimes both brothers, while they all spent the whole
day, wandering the countryside between Southall and Northolt or Hayes.
They ate their sandwiches miles away from home, and often debated
whether they should stay away longer until their saturated stockings and boots dried! ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Jul-2013
oh..bet that is the
famous..swampy boggy meander yeading brook....all southall .spikes
areas..hayes bridge and down to bulls bridge west sides.....and off
bulls bridge the splash ..ford across the water....socks wet...lovely
yrs quiet...countryside west all down that side....green...long distance
of green the whole west...from north to south..even at the
splash..southall lane and cranford pk gdns....grounds
extensive.1925 to 1939 pre war...how idyllic........willowtree
bankside...hayes still has its fields opposite bankside .called millet
pk nature now.....suppose the war .and ian..life differs.....dad had
worked....locally probably engineering off on bike.....he had southall
when my dad was being born...they had the green fields..so
essential..must never loose..nature...etc....my aunt new the excited of
her yrs kids at the splash all kids did...huge water there mr ham 2
paintings and postcards of it....photos...opposite the orphan
barracks..northhyde..to the west...
... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Jul-2013
http://www.flickr.com/people/52913905@N06/contacts
old maps splash bulls..yeading brook..meanders length going south on the
west side........pity he never mentioned the rd he lived....his son
Andrew born 1946 would know....and of photos..where.......lovely to see 3
boys..excited 2 with tops off....if mum or dad or..took the photo.....
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by Bill Henley (Member 10272156) on 7-Jul-2013
It is sad to note how Southall
and the local area has changed. So many of the green spaces where I
played are now buried beneath cement and tarmac and/or affected by road
noise and aircraft. I understand that at the beginning of the 20C there
were boat trips from Uxbridge to North Hyde along by Bulls Bridge (where
there was a pub). And of course Turner the artist knew and painted the
area although I am still
trying to trace his watercolours as seen in the local paper many years
ago.(these are in addition to the famous windmill painting) I must pay a
visit to Ealing library sometime. ... more >>
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 7-Jul-2013
Although Ian didn't mention the
name of the road where they lived, he did say that the fair was in a
field at the top of his road. As the fair always used to be where the
Drill Hall was eventually built, I assumed that it would be there! I
could be wrong though.
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Jul-2013
sure that must be..it...yes len
.spoke couple times..of fair there area of drill hall..peg leg
lady...and .all things len spoke of there.....drill hall.photos on our
board TA....hayes bridge south east corner.....top of ian rd..1925 built
places....were bankside with lovely nature fields canal....and by drill
hall the southall roads start...Lancaster tudor 1925....1925 onwards
the roads..south west
corner of hayes bridge...around delemere slow gradual start of houses of
that corner.the west south corner of hayes bridge....by sluice...by
yeading brook....by the feeder coming in across brookside from Ruislip
lido reservoir......his dad cycle tow path to work..hayes...could easily
be bankside they lived.........amze so interesting...lovely that people
have rare memories that whole areas...there....1925...to
1940s....precious countryside memories..nice area..open
fields......opposite bankside preserved openfields called millet nature
pk now hayes.........west side canal..by heron.sculpture statue our
photo boards.......lovely to think of ian as well...ron you.zeta all
speak fondly..all areas around..gt fair memories of len...up
there...wow..ian..and all ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Jul-2013
yes email..or phone..dr oates
ealing library local hist dept water colours .he has the collection by
ern ham..of southall.........turner gt at London tate Britain have been
several times....windmill by turner 3 bridges and lock..1810....sold by
christies 2008..to private buyer...pity should be for all of us to
view....in google plenty of it there..to see,,,,,turner lived Brentford
by thames several
yrs.......packet boats trips passengers uxbridge
etc.....areas..trips.....many many yrs...packet boat pub....leisure
canal huge now for many yrs..refections gt in clean waters..nature days
out many ..beauty areas of canal..areas all around.fish...ducks
swans........lots narrowboats through locks...cottages lock
keeper....one .we photo.s..took..painted..brasses etc..all
bargee...ornamented..beauty......window box flowers on barges.....hired
they trip uxbridge areas often..lots .barges narrowboats..santa at
xmas..canal,,pubs.cycle joggers..cormorants herons..etc red
kite......canal pretty houses gardens ducks at their water
patios.......coots..moorhens..babies mallards .grey lag geese..Egyptian
geese....aylsbury white duck..middx grand junction canal.......Canada
geese ..procession 15 babies...gt to see .swans.babies.yes cana..gt
..locally......
... more >>
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 7-Jul-2013
No, I don't think it was Bankside
because he said there was a row of old cottages opposite to them and he
never ever saw the inhabitants although they were certainly there.
Surely, he would have mentioned the canal as well!
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Jul-2013
gt row cottages
opposite......so..fair...so more likely 1925 over north side of
bridge....just there around..mind you...hayes uxbridge rd on all
censuses 1911 .etc..row old cottages...had been brickfields ag lan
.hayes farm etc..then goes further on census to waggon horses
pub.......so..just near hayes bridge were some rows old cottages.....he
had new house built and old cottages opposite......so around those areas there........new house must still be there...cottages gone...so 2012 nice new st view must help........gt slo
oth work Pauline..well done...... ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Jul-2013
they used to call it high rd on
census..1911....agricultural labourers was hays..farm..hay for loads
horses canal to London..south side uxb rd..west side hayes bridge...rows
old cottages...then census goes along waggon horse..pub..south side uxb
rd with TA centre opoosite......all this area if new house just built
1925 on street view old cottages opposite demolished..hays .farm .of
hayes side gone........gd
luck....fair top road...yes all just around there.....bike tow path
hayes to work or hayes short cuts there to factories probably
engineering wk.....if welding etc etc....his dad... ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Jul-2013
bill..............turner 1807
buys plot land Twickenham.....his aunt uncle live Brentford......up the
road...fields 1805.......he does windmill lane....hanwell lock oils.with
bridge of 2 routes canal rd...later to become 3 bridges.......so 1805
he is there sketch in google....oils he paints it with windmill 2 grind
stones...labourers....and men opening lock
gate.....fields...........watercolours..in
google turner does of kew and Brentford.........tate Britain has loads
of turner....by millbank thames..open daily...gt.......ern ham..1880 to
1958 southall did 73 ish..watercolours oils of southall..walked the
streets with aesle......got the picture of sign post northhyde king st
last week..enlarged it...excellent..my crow from northyde then
1900s.............. ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Jul-2013
meant my crowd geneology...gd luck murray hope win....
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Jul-2013
royal academy..turner
...piccadily...huge massive value watercolours oils....gazette often
spoke of local artist watercolour oils ern ham 1880 to 1958
southall..person..walked streets painting....scenes southall..northyde
mounds canal..etc.etc............your paintings in google...they are
there...73 to enlarge see,,,,lovely.....held at ealing library also...he
gave them...gift......
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Jul-2013
wow...murray won....77yrs since
perry..7th of 7th today...lucky 7.....1977 jubilee queen there for
wade...murray mounds...wow...
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Jul-2013
both 26//peak....how
wonderful..for uk...dumblaine boy....his teacher heard shots got her
class moved way....we might have lost him...then.....murray mound...we
went to museum and centre ct once was gd...
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by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 8-Jul-2013
I think the mystery of where
Ian Naills father worked is explained on page 72 it says
he worked at an aircraft factory.
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Jul-2013
GT AIRCRAFT FACT...HAYES YES
FAIREY....MANY WORKED THERE AND WELL KNOWN FAMOUS...GOOD...1925
YRS......I KNEW COUPLE THERE...MIKES DAD WAS SENIOR THERE .MANAGER
ETC....KIDS WENT TO SCHOOL NEARBY..LIVED HOUSE ALONG NORTHHYDE
RD..SHELTER AND ALL.AT WAR YRS..HAD THE BOMBS..HAD PHOTO TAKEN ON
WRECKED HEINKEL.PAYED IT WENT TO WAR FUND WRECK FROM..DUMP..COWLEY
OXON..WENT ROUND COUNTRY KIDS PHOTOS ON FOR PAY
WAR FUND..WAS AT BOTWELL GREEN HAYES PHOTOGRAPHER COLLECTING MONEY.THEN
LORRY TAKES IT TO NEXT TOWN...YES HE COULD BIKE EASY TO FAIREY..HUGE
PLACE AT WAR...PHOTOS WE HAVE...THANKS..IAN.S SON..IS ANDREW BORN
1946..... ... more >>
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by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 8-Jul-2013
Having now had time to re-read
Ian Niall's description of the road where he lived, I am 99% sure that
he lived in Beresford Road.
I believe the bargees cottages he says are his horizon are the ones in
Bankside, he talks about them being on the other side of an old bulging
wall, which suggests to me he is talking about the view from the back of
his home. He also says the back garden was about 120ft long which seems to be about the length of the gardens in Beresford Road.
He talks about the development where his home was as being between two
rows of older houses at each end of the road, which fits with the houses
in Beresford Road. He also says there was a carrier's yard at the top
end of the road (furthest from Uxbridge Road) again there is a yard at
the end of Beresford Road that would fit this description.
Finally he says that the road was on the extremity of Southall about a
mile from the shops, which sounds about right for a child's estimation
of distance from the shops in Southall at the time, also Beresford Road
fits his description of the Drill Hall being very close to his road. ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Jul-2013
that is good of you....yes
Beresford.....his new house must still be there....but 1925 they were
building around...building workers terraes...his bike to
fairey...probably along tow path....plenty of greenery all
around.yeading brook wet socks.west side canal/....lots picnic areas
1925 yrs.....TA yes.....bankside..preserved heritage listed..old 1830 or
so labourers terraced.....thanks again colin.....
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Jul-2013
1925 and yrs..the allotments..at
the south end of bankside...and Beresford rd....canal to bulls
bridge...for fairey dads job..hayes northhyde rd..near the allotments
used to be the water area over the canal to the west side......did they
say sunken barge......inlet.......papers always say back in time they
always wanted a proper crossing at new Beaconsfield rd across the canal
to hayes but it was never
achieved.....boris and his grant of new areas all there at develop old
gas works says...new crossing will be done.to modern minet pk
etc.........picnics across green..yeading brook side....for ian s
..mum..but wet socks....yes TA top of Beresford rd...old pub.was still
there hambro.....so one of those houses..ian...overlooks back gardens of
old bankside terrace...about 1830 ish...built,,,,.....colin..front
cover .3 kids tops off excited..old brick white top..whats your
guess..location......thanks....his son born nwales 1946/7 would know ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Jul-2013
noticed dilys....lived Beresford
rd...age 5...but about 20 yrs after ians new house built...funny if she
moved in..after they moved out.....cherry ave..at the bottom of
Beresford...pooley lived when very old..he died and ashes taken to the
famous massacre his mates suffered.from the ss...at.war............lens
son..took offlicence drink to mr pooley...
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 9-Jul-2013
Colin - I am so pleased that you
have finally nailed the road where Ian Niall and his family lived. Yes,
the blue brick sagging wall makes sense that it was at the bottom of his
very long garden, with the row of old cottages that had housed
generations of canal bargees' families behind it. I would never have
realised that in a million years. I was five years old when I lived at
the bottom end of Bankside,
and some girls used to take me to Tudor road school, and we used to go
round the corner from Bankside and walk the length of Beresford road,
which seemed a very long road when I was little. That was in 1936.
Strange to think that Ian had been living there for ten years, and had
only left a couple of years before we moved into Bankside. ... more >>
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 9-Jul-2013
Denis - Good you found that Ian's
dad worked in an Aircraft factory. Ian said it was about four miles, or
less, away. When you think of the terrible rush he had to get home to
his dinner every day, travelling by bus or tram. Ian said his father ate
his dinner at top speed and hurried back to work, and that getting on
and off buses took up part of his precious time to get to Hayes and back
again in the time allowed. He did get a bike later on, but couldn't afford one at first. ... more >>
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by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 9-Jul-2013
Thank you Pauline, yes must
have been a rush as you say, will now try to find the house
& take some pics to put on board 11.
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Jul-2013
even worse Pauline it might have
been 2 buses....uxbridge rd...then different bus off south coldharbour
lane..to fairey 1925yrs...was famous factory 1935 had so grown ,,,and
larger place.elsewhere also became fairey ....other place .took on usa
.orders...........lovely to think of Beresford.....house must still be
there..and bankside is heritage listed......later dilys..was 5 yrs old
there....Beresford house.....still the 3 lads on bricks at cover book.to solve..wish we could ask his son Andrew.... ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Jul-2013
denis.....had Beresford...on
aerial..yesterday....in google great whole area close down..in
aerial.....allotments still there at south...2012...canal..goes
along...the bottom south..end of bankside.....1925 .our old maps..shows
spaces and of course yes building more houses...roads...cherry ave and
the bottom there with Beaconsfield......old gas works...finished on 2012
aerial..views all there...TA
centre there......greenery west side canal....loads warehouses
huge.high all along canal..now......but some grass goes off to minet
nature park lands west ...of hayes...there...... ... more >>
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by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 9-Jul-2013
Thanks Yvonne will have a look next time i am in Southall see what we can find.
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Jul-2013
southall ....Beresford rd.....the
yard..57 Beresford rd...1989 bankrupt..b m autos panel beaters..the
yard........1925 ian.new hse...think..middle probably..half way
along...west side......1925 were old dwellings...both ends
Beresford.....at the end of ian house back garden the old bulging wall
blue brick sagging wall sounds fascinating..........but 1830 old
bankside terraces....interesting history.....ian 120 ft long..back garden..in google.street view 2012 would give fronts along the road west side.......
... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Jul-2013
meads book....lived Beresford
villa at the end of Beresford rd..turn of the century..was George
Stacey................he had yard and stables there........meads says.so
much development going.on..eastate agents builders huge job
work........new town..like the new towns that grew after the
war......vicar for southall green 1800s wrote only 33 dwellings there
small hamlet 4 farms....wow...England changes.........vaste
populations built up............canal came in ..rail...trunk
roads...cars..factories....never ends..etc etc.planes..ha ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Jul-2013
1931 ..fairey.hayes photo men
working....his dad perhaps been there 6yrs....on board11...war ..lots
work...but they seem to leave .about 10yrs...Beresford.....piecework
long hrs they earnt more money.....night work....my aunt said 1st time
life got decent wage pkt ..munitions....
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by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 9-Jul-2013
Wish I had remembered the name
Stacey's, my grandfather Les Ive used to mention them from time to time
as he had worked for them with the horses.
i have tried to solve the mystery of where the picture on the front of
Ian's book was taken, but with no luck so far. I think the boys are
probably on the roof of a single-storey structure (there is what looks
like either a door or window lintel at the
bottom right and from the angle of the picture the photographer seems
to standing at ground level. Looking at the quality of the brickwork it
is probably some sort of industrial building which may well be now long
gone. ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Jul-2013
THANKS COLIN...IF IT
EVER..appears to you what the 3 lads are on front cover 2 boys with tops
off excited having a good time....white top part ..brick....glad Stacey
rang bell....aerial yesterday of Beresford etc was good in google...72
..57 .Beresford etc...ian.he had the 2 younger brothers...
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 9-Jul-2013
Ian also had a younger sister, who was newly born when they travelled to Southall. His mother had her cradled in her arm.
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Jul-2013
oh that's lovely sister very
nice...she would be .now perhaps......... Andrew born 1946 ish north
wales...so hers younger if she had...nice family..lovely to think of
them over the back of bankside....the girl..about the same age as
len..and his class mate my aunt..for tudor rd school..len born about
1925ish yrs..mcniellie family..
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Jul-2013
nice street
view...Beresford....top west..by uxbridge rd ..3 and 5...etc....look
like 1925 built terraces................end of Beresford with view of
gasholder in the back garden area of the bend curve rd..at the south
part...one detached house villa..large .could be Stacey villa of 1910.mr
meads spoke.....now ..called 54.number a childrens
homes.education...........curve bend goes around to canal
and bankside.....allotments......65 Beresford around that end
area...£312 a week rent 2013 .up for sale or rent out...couple
properties down there seem to be small businesses.....lots photos
bankside terraces on our boards.....huge warehouses now along stretch of
at .on west grass was used to be the areas..hayes bank canal... ... more >>
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by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 10-Jul-2013
Yvonne will look in Bankside & Beresford.
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Jul-2013
had look both at street view
today...good interesting...and along uxbridge rd...bridge with north
side of TA area....lots high trees there
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 10-Jul-2013
Since all this research on Ian
Niall's book and his home in Southall I have been trying to establish
exactly when the TA was first introduced at Hayes
Bridge Southall. I'm sure it wasn't there in Ian's time. Ian said "The
Fair was at the top of our road", and as I knew where the fair used to
be years ago, I said it was where the drill hall was eventually built. I
can only find out that the TA was
reformed in 1947, and was then relocated to the TA Centre at Hayes
Bridge in 1949. Does anyone know exactly when it first came to Southall.
Several of us girls used to go dancing at the Centre when we were
young, but I can't remember the exact date. ... more >>
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by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 11-Jul-2013
Pauline i dont know the
exact date the TA opened but i know there was a Wellington
bomber on the parade ground between the center & the
canal, that was about this date i have mentioned this before
but nobody seems to remember it.
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Jul-2013
562 parachute squad..ta..royal
corp transport....the new building architecture there cost to build
£2million.....ian 1925ish for 10yrs ish.......uxbridge rd canal bridge
so..opposite the ta....on west bank north ..canal hayes bridge...james
davis timber wharfs..........south side west of canal there .Victoria
sawmills ,,,.......woolf rubber works the years they had.....along
canal...areas..off ................1947 /9...ta..centre...volunteers.............. ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Jul-2013
1965 the ta ..roy corp transport
..at the ta centre southall....2013 feb.duke kent visited.ta
centre.......from southall my.dad was in corp transport itlay
..war.........duke kent..also visited pitshanger mansion hse....I have
been few times lovely in there......1925 10 yrs ian...len born 1925.same
as my aunt in same class.len remembered her face brunette hair....he
spoke of fair..hayes bridge peggy..peg leg...dare devil dive .into water flames...one leg person....... ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Jul-2013
1846 southall squad..air
cadets..air training corps..ta centre....workshops drill hall.....hayes
bridge north east side.canal...there.uxbridge
rd.....corner........livingstone rd at east side of it.....
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Jul-2013
says new ..ta..units not exsist
before war..so 1947/9...southall ta centre...156 2nd company.hayes
bridge southall..rasc..ta....airborne division composite..........ealing
local history library email dr oates librarian..would know
more.........1950 ish years....big fire davis
timber..yard....opposite...many people remember.....canal side...
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Jul-2013
reformed...ta.....after the
war.....1947 southall....hq...drill hall ta centre....woolf rubber
works.....along canal...increased in work...50s 60s..smell like gas ..of
wall vent..rubber...used to run past..horrible to breathe in..as trying
to get past...1979 in google workers there..
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 11-Jul-2013
Yes, I read all that all up
yesterday about the transfer to Southall TA at Hayes Bridge. I just
wondered when their building was first built. I think Zeta went dancing
there as well.
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 11-Jul-2013
Denis - I'm sure by brothers
would have been up there to see that Wellington bomber on the parade
ground, but afraid they've both gone.I don't know when the fair started
at Southall park either. Ian said it came to his place for many years,
and mentioned all the vicious fights with the fair owners and the
Hambrough cut-side boys!
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by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 11-Jul-2013
That would explain the Wellington on the parade ground parachute training 1949/52ish
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by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 11-Jul-2013
Thanks Pauline been trying to
find the history of this aircraft for sometime. I see Ian
states in hes book page 120 that he left St Georges scouts
& joined the 3 Spartans Holy Trinity Lady Marg. Road my
old scouts.
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Jul-2013
denis Pauline mike..3 nice photos and interior ta,centre hayes bridge board11
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Jul-2013
meads says...end 1930s...huge
fire costing £10000.to southall valve factory....he is going from dane
tudor to hayes bridge says..up by bridge valve factory......
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by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 11-Jul-2013
In his book The Maypole and
Southall Green, R.J. Meads says the Drill Hall was located in
Featherstone Road until 1937 when the TA transferred to the new Drill
Hall in the Uxbridge Road.
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Jul-2013
fantastic 1937 moved across
to..bridge..thankyou..then of course the war...after war ..TA..with
1946/7..reintroduced......mike braden might know more....his air..cadet
etc...around the years.......thanks colin......Featherstone oh yes those
large buildings along there........Heston had its drill
hall....TA....now new .community centre....along there west
junction..new Heston rd......long yrs TA ..heston
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Jul-2013
yes meads has it.....on the bend
at Featherstone rd.built 1901..territorial drill hall.....1937 moved to
uxb rd..beacause of lack of space for transport.....furniture
depository.took its place......so 1937..new at hayes bridge ..ian
probably did not see the change......
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Jul-2013
good in google.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ww2peopleswar/stories/38/a1901738.shtml
age 16 he joined TA.hayes bridge uxbridge rd.1937..lived hayes end..1938
in cinema Corinth hayes..the 2 lads names on screen...they were called
had to go to TA.southall...searchlight battalion....my relative was that
also age 17....these lads bbc war memory..went onto d day etc....
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Jul-2013
got reply from...zeta.......and
local friend who was there also..man called val...........they were of
1935 Berwick area....always knew drill hall at the bridge.....did not
know any thing else there ...as young
children............................so yes 1935..1937..as mr meads
said.....drill hall moved from the bend in Featherstone rd......to hayes
bridge for more space for transport..........ian was
lucky....1925ish to 1935..ian at Beresford...he just saw the 1930s
fairs..there....like len goddard..who was born 1925......he just saw the
fairs...peg leg...peggy dive water fire.fair.....early
1930s......then...it went.......drill hall took over.....board11 new
photos there now TA..duke kent was there feb 2013..crests badges awards
in glass cabinet of bar..wellington..plane of denis memory...parachute
team.squad..battalion.... there about 1950s.ish.....air cadets...1946/7
.TA renewed yrs... ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Jul-2013
zeta just mentioned only the once
to drill hall for a dance....lived nearby..dad had her to be home by
10pm...but she ..like so many..loved the dominion dances......so many
many people...everybody loved the dominion....wonderful
interiors......gt architecture exterior...all our gt photos.......of the
wonderful dominion..southall green.....
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by Bill Henley (Member 10272156) on 12-Jul-2013
My memory of the TA drill hall in
Featherstone Road is from my school days when it was used as a gym by
my school. It was cold and the wooden floor was splintered and quite
dangerous. I am assuming that it played a part in recruiting for WW1. A
local regiment was 1st 8th Middlesex Territorials (and later the 2nd 8th
and 3rd 8th) Certainly the local published roll of honour shows many
from this area although
many also joined other regiments. The local press of the time also has a
number of photographs and obituaries for those killed. ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Jul-2013
that's interesting
bil.........and when the drill hall..TA moved.......furniture place took
over the site there at Featherstone rd...............
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 12-Jul-2013
Yes, I only went to the Drill
Hall a couple of times and also went to the Dominion. Ealing Town Hall
was my favourite one with our EMI crowd, plus we all went by coach! Once
I met my husband I'm afraid the dancing all finished as he hated it and
never could dance either. Still managed to have a whirl though at the
functions we went to.
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Jul-2013
ealing town hall lovely building
Percival hse...only mainly weddings there now about 4/5 rooms.for
different weddings....most men cant dance..tony lifetime music
though..enjoys....drill hall she only went once her dad.strict home by
10pm..as most did say..back in times....photos board11
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 17-Jul-2013
2005/6 they still call the old
building in Featherstone rd..the drill hall....old one...in google....so
new TA drill hall hayes bridge...but...old building was left behind
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by Bill Henley (Member 10272156) on 18-Jul-2013
I have finally got around to
reading "A London Boyhood" by Ian Niall. Like many others on this forum,
I found it fascinating. Many features that he described in Southall
were still around in my boyhood days in the fifties including the horse
drawn trades carts. Towards the end of the book he discusses the motor
bikes of the time. These included the Brough Superior. He mentions that
an aircraft man at the
Uxbridge base had such an expensive bike. That man was possibly T E
Lawrence who returned to the base in 1925. His book "The Mint" refers to
his initial period at Uxbridge when he joined under the pseudo name of
Ross. May be of interest. ... more >>
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by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 19-Jul-2013
Bill i think Ian was
talking of T.e. Lawrence that would be the about the time he
left the Army & joined the RAF & got involved in the
early days of the air sea rescue arm of the RAF.
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 19-Jul-2013
finding Lawrence special wrist
watch and on antique roadshow was amazing......doug bader was at
uxbridge raf base at one time...blue plaque there........photos in
google of its closing raf uxbridge houses school building onsite..raf
Northolt took over....hq famous bunker museum still at uxbridge....air
chief retire Northolt Halifax ans spitfire display for him...in
google..nice photos all at raf Northolt...London red airambulance there now from Denham.... ... more >>
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by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 28-Jul-2013
Yvonne & everybody pics
of Beresford & Bankside taken Sunday. More to follow
Dormers school then & know & others.
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by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 29-Jul-2013
Sorry forgot pics on board 11.
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by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 29-Jul-2013
Sorry folks pics on d.sexton428 not board 11
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Jul-2013
excellent photos denis.....just
back from gt dorset holiday....your Beresford is so good old houses and
the newer ones..etc......and street view and aerial is good.....thanks
so much for dormers 2013 blue gates but old 1934 corridors building
classrooms hall gone....dad and aunt went several of mine generations
went...gone..solid brick but gone..new glass modern distance through old
entrance...field
building..those 2 cranes we saw so long...built all the new..like
college effect they do today..11 to 18yr olds..new Allenby rd
entrance.....gt photos thanks denis very good of you..appreciated...lady
marg gd...school................. ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Jul-2013
denis.................heron..several times on willowtree pond...the old
brickworks..digs..couple old ponds fish..nature park...by marina..poppy
seeds planted along tow path..red poppies..flutter.....butterflies in
copse..near canal...solar panels new houses near...solar panels on
narrowboat..and ..hols at coast solar panel on beach hut saw this yr....
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by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 31-Jul-2013
Hi Yvonne glad you had good
holiday, yes pics downloaded to board 11 with discription
but pics whent to my photostream without discription. the white
gates & the pic of the yard through them i suspect is
where Ians horses came out every morning. Yes Dormers was
quite a shock when got to the gates. more pics to follow
hope i can get them on board 11 with discriptions this time. ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 31-Jul-2013
fantastic denis..willcheck both
places.pics...gt weather..dorset coast Christchurch along to
poole...fantastic.holiday......dormers shock..several generations of
mine walked.in those blue gates old entrance..1934 onwards..now empty
space far over modern glass build.college like.....h shape corridors
were so good in schools...the standard..shape was so good.for staff and
kids..to go to lessons..brick
solid...yes Beresford ian..excellent..1925 etc he was there...canal
like so many of us ..his life..I crossed it daily so many of us it was
the hub...and fields..his Scottish dad..hope he had good career
fairey...1935 war coming..fairey busy...large place we have photos.,,bet
he used hambro pub..1980 got riot burnt down..1953 kates gran wed
reception.harrison.of kate lived bankside old terrace.from durham
coalmines..gt new baby prince George..georgie porgy ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 31-Jul-2013
denis....your photos have had
about 6 viewings so that's good popular.......thanks for ta
centre....high fence girls side of 1950s as you say.showing new 2013
buildings through fence......well done.....thanks........think merge
1967 dormers...several girls staff left retired they did not want
merge...
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by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 31-Jul-2013
Thanks for that Yvonne, Dormers was still segregated when i left in 1958
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by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 24-May-2013
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If I remember correctly,in my young days May 24th was Empire Day-half day off from school??
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-May-2013
nice half day......then...eliz
2nd..brought about commonwealth...we went to new ..exhibition centre she
opened....notting hill..west london..on main..rd..loads huge flags
outside.........free..several visits...gt displays...closed
now............happy coronation day...next
weekend......whitsun..this.......new painting.of queen.on
crowning..abbey..new restored ancient..cosmati
mosaic..italian..wonderful.......
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-May-2013
queen vic birth 24..th.....my
southall canada cousin says still celeb 24th last monday before 24th
..in canada..nice brit pathe film..in google...with other
items..there....sch kids..britannia dressed..shield etc...flags
waving....1933........poem song there......1958 changed to
commonwealth......
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by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 24-May-2013
The last Empire half day holiday for schools was 1954 the year i left Lady Marg. Rd. for Dormers Wells.
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 24-May-2013
Yes, I remember Empire Day at
Tudor road school, and whenever I hear that lovely hymn "I vow to thee
my country all earthly things above" I am immediately transported back
to our school Hall where we were all singing our hearts out! I also
remember we used to walk the short walk up Tudor road to St George's
church when it was Easter time, and one of the hyms we always sang was
"There is a green hill far away without a city wall". Such a wonderful school with lots of lovely memories. ... more >>
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by Chris (Member 10220786) on 24-May-2013
Yes, half day off school -
attended during the morning. The girls wore Brownie uniforms - boys
wore cubs uniforms (if they belonged of course). I did! Happy days!
Chris x
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-May-2013
dormers infants built opened sept 1954...ha....missed out on ..may 24...ha...
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-May-2013
mike fred......all.....deb bull
ballet .royal opera hse......dsertr island discs...today...marriage
figaro..splendid...colin davis conductor..choice.....just minute.nic
parsons..pam ayres..paul merton..graham norton......bbc radio 4....gt
day..happy ban hol all.....
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-May-2013
dennis.....................http://www.pitsfordhomeguard.org.uk/gallery/osterley10/osterley10.htm
http://www.pitsfordhomeguard.org.uk/gallery/osterley10/osterley10.htm
osterley home guard events.........gt weather blooms everywhere...baby ducks swans geese........
leisure boats canal rivers canoes...bikes...horses etc....picnics
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by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 26-May-2013
Thanks Yvonne sounds
interesting will download, i have some pics of building work
in Spikes Bridge will upload
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-May-2013
there is photo of 30 men southall
greenford...homeguard..unit..2nd .war..syd taylor etc....but....looked
at your 428 flickr could not see anyway could put it on there for
you.....4 rows in uniform..southall men.posing..in a
group....think..have to put in 428 ID and password...canal river complex
full of young....swan mallard grebe coot canada geese all babies.grey
lag goslings..lots barges canoes..bikes..
- Re: 24th May
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 27-May-2013
Have uploaded pics of
building work at Spikes Bridge park, date 27-5-2013 if
interested (Flickr d.sexton428) will now down load Home Guard pics
fingers crossed.
- Re: 24th May
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 27-May-2013
Ok got it downloaded thanks Yvonne.
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-May-2013
12 good photos spikes....new pavillion..looks good..thanks..
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-May-2013
beyond our ken round the
horn...bill pertwee dads army hodges arp...passed away.......of family
theatre amersham...with...john pertwee dr who
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-May-2013
http://www.thegenealogist.co.uk/featuredarticles/may13_veitch.php
happy 100yrs chelsea flower show....we have enjoyed...but also...tv..is ..wonderful..so very gd tv......
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-May-2013
bbc yv one show today...the
canister...show pneumatic..tubes...fly ceiling change ..stores...one
left at jacksons corner///closes this yr...from brunel..rail..idea yrs
ago....today used in hospitals...take blood 12 mph...etc.etc...gt
springwatch 3 pm..8 pm...tv....nigelhavers..new family tree series
ancester cab driver.........tv.....
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by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 27-May-2013
I was discussing "Empire Day" only this morning.
In the infants school aged about 5 or 6 we had to parade around the
playground like an armoured column with the teacher at the head of the
line holding a large Union Flag (ALWAYS called the Union Jack then) We
were told that all around the world children of every colour were doing
the same thing in their playgrounds at the same time because they were
so 'lucky' being part of the British Empire> Then I remember one
year we were told it was renamed as Commonwealth Day, and the whole
thing seemed to die out in no time, and now if you tried to get kids to
do that, the kids would probably all refuse and their parents would
complain ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-May-2013
may be around 1958...changes
those years...schools had to get rid of imperial..empire///geography
history bks.....my goodness the old atlases....red pink..areas
etc....recent yrs....huge changes on the atlas globe...world
maps.....large posters decorating the school walls.....after war some
new primary schools opened.some new bk stock....assembly
speeches..always had charity etc.missionaries etc....africa..livingstone...etc...also...nightingale
nurse cavell.etc....war babies..boom..dad home from war...hillingdon
maternity hosp busy..yrs...... ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-May-2013
mike......thanks info....bunce
north rd school 30s caretaker......must have been in charge of
premises.as living at the caretakers hse..seems 1914 and 1930s
also..perhaps near retirement when you knew him..mike.......also.if he
had assistant boy helping him........1914 post off directory james henry
bunce..1 meadow rd southall...house goes with the job....arthur bunce
1914 living ealing..arthur bunce
1914 living west ealing....our of inlaw fred bunce lived 1930
yrs..1940s....end of northcote ave west side towards spikes bridge
rd..his family...later 50s60s he marries buys hse windsor.......so not
pos know if related....may be...... ... more >>
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by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 29-May-2013
Yvonne-I don't remember Mr Bunce
having an assistant.You are right, he lived at No.1 Meadow Road.Once I
was sent by a teacher to get him, and he was at home when I called.
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-May-2013
thanks...not afford one..modern
schools have more staff...yes most schools hse by school..free hse to
caretaker...if he retired 1940ish...think he went northcote
ave.....150ish.number....fred bunce his son....caretaker james
bunce......fred married 50s60s..bought hse windsor..had a
son....related to me...inlaws.........25 mb..pdf file...you can do...if
want ...pages rtimes....1953......31 may to 6june...coronation...gt
...lovely..read each page radio tv..3D..cost
then.............radiotimes.com/1953........takes while to load save in
your documents......so lovely.......... ... more >>
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by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 29-May-2013
Yvonne, I just had a quick flit
on Showmystreet.com to have a last look at Northcote Avenue where your
relatives, the Wellans, Mauvine Stephens,and the Bunce's lived. Yes, the
Bunce's house was number 150, as it's painted on the wheely bin. The
"Strange" family lived right at the end, going into Spikes Bridge road. I
remember they were a very large family, lots of sons with red hair. It
then occurred to me that
Fred Bunce would probably have been one of the boys my brothers knew. I
know one of them had a dog. The houses all looked nice, except the one
next door to Mauvine Stephens house. There was a large skip in the front
garden, and it all looked a bit scruffy. No fence around the garden
like the Wellans and Mauvine's. I don't remember any of the Bunce
family's names. Their garden in showmystreet.com was one of the nicest
kept.I wonder what date the film was taken of the road. ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-May-2013
thakyou...so grateful to
you...150 was guess........2012 feel sure st view....tony myself
noticed...an item that was done 2012....but not 2011...sunny..near.july
2012 feel sure...........fred..yes dont know his siblings....he born
1920 years....feel sure caretaker james his dad..retired 1940ish and
council would have rehoused him........fred bit older when got
married..they were not young at wedding.......1950s........wonder
when rest of bunce moved out.........ours she did diy at
weekend..bought so she and hubby done lots to it...you said
fence..........wonderful new st view..thought they said law might stop
it...but it gives nostalgia....non car driver it helps...great deal...gt
to hear you ..happy 1953 2013...queen weekend 60
yrs...memories.....nostalgia......150 so grateful thanks...so thrilled
to have met you...wonderful memories we have chatted........etc......xxx ... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 29-May-2013
Yvonne-Mr Bunce retiring in 1940 sounds about right. September of that year I went to Dormers Wells School
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-May-2013
thought so...the way you
spoke...mike.....1914 ...he was at number 1.......doing the
job...elderly when you knew him..30s....1935 ish...onwards...northcote
ave,,,end bit....been built...approx.......so he looses caretaker....in
job house..to next caretaker,,,,they have to give him..council hse..3
bedroom..with brothers ..offspring......1920s..1922 or so fred born...of
your james.....michael................fred
married..my family.in.law.....inlaw side ..one..of ours...........1935
ish..on fred..there with ..siblings.....later married..nearly next door
lady girl...........so retired james..probably died .northcote
ave......thanks mike pauline..you are both gt treasure...such lovely
people....xxx ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-May-2013
bet caretaker.....lives..number
1..today...usually with couple assistants......mr meads of our
bk..probably knew bunce...there 1914.....meads went to north rd
sch.....1981/2 40 yrs service retired lady teacher north rd
school..july retire party there..........happy weekend all......
- Re: 24th May
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 30-May-2013
My sister thinks one of the Bunce's boys was called Alfie. My brother evidently used to go fishing with him.
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-May-2013
makes sense...think saw fred born
about 1920 ish...his dad 1914 caretaker....think..james his dad had
brothers as well...records bunce about.....thankyou....small
world.......1930s...they were all marrying..local people..from around
the roads.......bus to uxbridge registry office some went.......fred was
into his 30s .approx.before wed...they had one child malcolm...we
visited them once windsor.....fed
the swans under castle at thames......................west ave 1953 had
street party...my uncle fred dressed as clown for kids jelly
tressels......queen...we did not have tv.....across the rd...my aunt had
upright piano..... ... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 30-May-2013
When was Jonathan Oates actually at North Road School??
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 31-May-2013
mr meads who wrote southall
booklet..was at north rd school..his family around the high st
there.....he was born 1906ish died 1982 ish..southall lifetime..colin
gave us his many pages booklet...link...free to read...lovely read very
interesting indeed ..each yr..so much detail...photos
etc..............j..oates..lives yiewsley..born about 1960sish...1999
onwards librarian ealing local history library
of southall...he has written many bks...murder and local murders...lots
southall ealing etc books..with lots photos inside.....no dont think he
went to north rd..or live in southall...upton...hounsell...etc written
local books.....in google ..lots photos of all the books......... ... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 31-May-2013
in google
type...........radiotimes.com/1953..............takes little while..25
size.load........rare rtimes tv....of 1953 bbc.......lovely pictures all
programmes...lovely read....................
- Re: 24th May
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 31-May-2013
Thanks Yvonne fot the info on Jnathan Oates
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Jun-2013
today 9am..onwards 1953 ..early
yrs radio.....programmes..and 7 pm tonight.....radio 4 extra ..708
channel..........bbc....hap 60 yrs..the queen
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Jun-2013
radio 4 extra today...is
1953....animal veg mineral.....gt fun..word.play.......like clever ones
on tv radio today...clever wit..gt fun.......1953 st party west ave
southall........
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Jun-2013
11th july cath jenkins..party
song..on tv...buck palace......sunday tommorrow..freeview...81....digit
enhance coronation...on tv...10.10 am.......mugs etc given to southall
kids at school 1953........
- Re: 24th May
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 2-Jun-2013
Lady Marg. got a Mapping
& Webbs silver spoon a tin of chocolates & a
coronation book which i still have.
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Jun-2013
it is so special...that those who
still have special thing...how marvellous...take photos put on your
flickr.......1953 schools got mug...etc...fantastic...81 ..channel
tv....gt..new huge window parliament for queen 60yrs and her wonderful
speech..this yr...and their thanks.........beaulieu war offices...lady
on desert island disc today..708 radio4 extra.....now on freeview
channel.81...new touched
digit......bbc tv film..of coronation....so well done by the
bbc..broadcasted other countries also.1953..ended 2pm.at the abbey.huge
procession..5miles of london 1953........she is at the abbey
tuesday........ ... more >>
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Jun-2013
let me know if you get bk or
cover on photo flickr...or other.....thanks....happy day...1953 on tv
today..tuesday queen at abbey...etc......best wishes always
- Re: 24th May
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 2-Jun-2013
Pics from Coronation book on
fliker d.sexton428, the green paper covering is what mum put
on the book 60yrs. ago. 60 yrs ago this afternoon we had our
street party in Lynwood gardens off Lady Margaret road
- Re: 24th May
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 2-Jun-2013
PS. Yvonne this book is another item for Ealing library to take i hope
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Jun-2013
well done...yes ealing
library...they will treasure it forever for all to see.....green cover
gd idea your mum......thanks..always
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by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Jun-2013
perfect ..dennis...very
precious..10photos.....extremly
good.......pauline....all.....d.sexton428...................flickr
photostream.......can get it also from...our board put that in as ...a
member....and up comes his 101...southall etc photos...so good
dennis..grateful........................
- Re: 24th May
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 2-Jun-2013
Your all welcome.
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Jun-2013
dear dennis..so thrilled to see
your book.....10 lovely pages.........only just..to know...was that 10
pages long.......2 boys from dormers wells
seniors..1953...brothers...think...got 42 page ..booklet..red cover
similar but not quite same.........please how many pges
yours..thanks...so perfect your mum kept...it ..gratitude to you and
her...oh yes..wonderful
- Re: 24th May
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 2-Jun-2013
No Yvonne you are right 42 pages long.
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Jun-2013
thanks gt thanks
- Re: 24th May
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 2-Jun-2013
I think it would be a standard book given to most schools in Middx.
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Jun-2013
2 brothers lived off cornwell ave
got 2 from dormers..mum kept both.....freeview tv 81...now procession 5
mls london queen 1953 by bbc tv 1953.....gt to see all
today........lover your 10 pges wonderful...so grateful..to
see....thanks so much..fantastic......
- Re: 24th May
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 2-Jun-2013
Thanks Yvonne glad you liked,
i am certain i can remember a torch parade up Lady
Margaret Road 60 yrs ago this evening.
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Jun-2013
oh gt......thanks...quality of your photos book are so good....so grateful......sunny today...huge rain..1953
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Jun-2013
other southall schools
also...dennis....tin chocs...spoon...book...cup
saucer.........mcc....southall borough.......then ..mike...had...early
gift school.....think.....lovely..................oxford st marble arch
queen 1953.huge parade..bbbc tv...gt today....close up ..those in
crowd.......military....today channel 81......
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Jun-2013
97 aircraft...now....across...the
..mall...1953 bbc tv....on channel 81 now....5.45 pm 1953.with 2 small
kids balcony 1953....on now........bbc tv filmed it.in 1953
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Jun-2013
pauline...dennis///mike....keith..lyn.....tv today...6 pm....1950s
life...so true........repeats...at 33 .........itv....now...
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Jun-2013
30 mins mary rose....cnannel 80.......gt today...now........new museum.....info....film.......portsmouth
- Re: 24th May
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 2-Jun-2013
denis-thanks-have just viewed your marvellous pics
- Re: 24th May
by penny (Member 10265839) on 3-Jun-2013
Western Road primary school
children received a glass beaker showing the queen, a cream coloured
propelling pencil with a gold crown at the end plus a silver crown coin.
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Jun-2013
thankyou penny
rare..info......would never know..if 60 yrs later people....did not
chat......mcc..and southall borough council..gave different...things at
schools......most got book 42 pages red.........cup saucer north
rd.1953..beaconsfield......silver spoon mappin
webb............tin..chocs..........dormers
wells.........................not heard what tudor rd got
yet.........................southall
grammar ..not heard yet....................penny thankyou..clear
.description..pity no photos this site...gt pity................11 yrs
this site if had photos.would have been amazing 11
yrs........................ealing library must know 1953 school kids
info...........digital tv...freeview gt film..of queen philip..whole of
canada...october.......marvellous film.........now.......lots good
wishes penny.......featherstone not heard yet 1953
school................ ... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 3-Jun-2013
Glad you liked Michael.
- Re: 24th May
by Janice Johnson (Member 10240407) on 3-Jun-2013
I was living in Faraday Road at
the time of the Coronation. One of the neighbours had a TV and left her
door open for all to pop in and out at random - a tiny screen in a large
cabinet with a very grainy picture - showery weather and quite cool. I
was a pupil at Dormers Wells School at that time and took part in a
fancy dress competition. My mother made my costume out of crepe paper
copied from the label
off a jar of Nell Gwynne marmalade and I carried a basket of oranges. I
won first consolation prize - in other words I was good but not good
enough - and was given the Coronation Medal which I still have, although
the box and the ribbon have long disintegrated. My father later said
that perhaps Nell Gwynne wasn't exactly the right subject to have chosen
- some people might not have approved considering what was known about
Nell Gwynne and her 'royal' connections! I managed to get to the end of
the day without tearing my paper costume until getting undressed for bed
when I tripped and put my foot through the whole thing. Happy days! ... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Jun-2013
great story..janice
thanks.........nell gwynn...lots at windsor....pub etc......yes..but
they always speak well of her...good heart.......dormers
sounds..great...the decades of changes...1934 open dad aunt
went......now so huge modern build 2013.............glad you
kept..queen.from.school........rain..on film...now on tv...such
shame..our country do all so well..best in world ..for skill....but the
weather such pity....crowds come out......1953 b/w bbc tv film..good
and cinema colour film good june 1953....she is at the abbey
tues.......gratitude to her.......... ... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Jun-2013
tv tonight...bbc..one...
queen..item..on........marlborough rd down by derley and scotts
rd...kids there from school ....got 2..crowns in presentation box....5/-
crown..................tin choc queen face
on...............mug.....spoon.....but tudor rd..dont know
yet........1953 june.....
- Re: 24th May
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 3-Jun-2013
The accounts of the Coronation in 1953 reminds me of my antiquity!
I remember the Coronation of George VI in
1936-somehere I have a Coronation Booklet frm Middlesex CC. I also
remember the Silver Jubilee of GeorgeV in 1935. I was at North Road
Infants school then -in the huts-and we had a class party.
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Jun-2013
lovely hut class party...what
would schools do without huts....expand and .huts...largest longest hut
north rd sch..became swimpool...what yr was that......1937..george queen
eliz crowned..abbey......prince consort not...wonder if girl baby of
kate..will be the same prince consort..of a future coronation..to a girl
baby if born..your leige man..lord...bbc 1 tonight good tv...queen etc
1953........25 yrs..yes wonderful...glad you have some ..pieces...mcc ..borough southall........xx
... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 3-Jun-2013
Michael that brings back
memories my classroom was in the huts at North Road, i can
still smell wet coke burning on the stoves, the huts have now
long gone.
- Re: 24th May
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 3-Jun-2013
I can remember being given A Mug
at Tudor Road School after George VI's Coronation in 1937, with George
VI & Queen Elizabeth's picture on it. Also a silver plated spoon
with a little crown and George VI & Queen Elizabeth's heads on the
end of it. I'm sure the crown was coloured. That spoon knocked about in
the cutlery drawer for years, and I don't know what became of it. Our
Queen Elizabeth's Coronation
in 1953 was the year before I got married, and we all went up to London
and waited in the Mall by a tree for what seemed hours in the rain
which was beating down on and off. Although we did see the coach and a
brief sight of the Queen, the Queen of Tonga was in her open carriage
getting very wet but smiling and waving at all the crowds. A wonderful
day. ... more >>
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by Jean Kirby (Member 10268700) on 3-Jun-2013
Coronation Day watched service on
Aunt's tv she lived in Scotts Road, all family watched there the only
one in family who owned tv at that time. Afternoon bought street party
for Wentworth Road kids unfortunately because of rain it was held in the
Internation Aeradio canteen does anyone remember this? Also fancy dress
parade I was rose of England, outfit made by my older sister. My friend
Linda Harvey was a
violet I believe the competition was won by Penny Turner as Nell Gwynne,
is this right Penny. Also I think we had a small tin of Cadburys chocs
and a silver spoon with the QWueen's head on, my brother in the juniors
also had a spoon but the head was different from the infants as gift
from Western Road School ... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Jun-2013
lovely jean....there are 6 photos
of the different spoons ingoogle..........1953 queen silver
spoons..commem..........gt ..nell gwyn.......areadio.....built
offices..on old barracks.demolished by..ba 1952........hill...man worked
there.....he lived northcote ave......use index at top here
search...and old.....memories there...aeradio...by..mr hill......he said
staff worked in old chapel of orphanage
there...of old barracks...said haunted said secret tunnel to cranford
pk hse............1950s....old north star boarded at west end of
wentworth...closed 1940...pub..attached to 10..terraced small hses door
on rd.....do you remember......please..gdad and his family there 1870 to
1958.............on hump bridge west end north side your
wentworth..brickmakers old house owner..manager...pulled down dec
2012...now new flats there canal edge...very old red brick fragile
..carting bridge ..sweeping lane of north hyde lane.....new north
star....towards heston..1939..closed 2012 now
tesco......................
... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by Jean Kirby (Member 10268700) on 3-Jun-2013
Yvonne: I don't really remember
North Star cottages although I do recall a North Star Pub just past
Norwood Green School. However, I remember well the old house at the
bottom end of Wentworth Road it always seemed to be quite scary to us as
children, as we always thought it was haunted. My sister worked at
Glynn Mills Bank at the time of the Coronation and managed to get both
my brother and I Coronation Coin in a presentation box which I still have today.
... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Jun-2013
lovely jean...my hubby worked
midland hsbc 25yrs...but when..new tower canary whar...he changed to
lovely....career change...yes old hse have photos boarded.....demolished
dec 2012...new flats....new north star built 1939..along towrds
heston..closed 2012 ..now tesco....are you far away...some are
australia.etc...best wishes...wentworth has ealing speadramps many
yrs.....but my husband I..were driving
in this nice spring sunshine..few daysago...and thisyr...local afew
speed bumps..but much better design.......1958..old cottages pulled
down...south corner of the old hump..bridge.down..northyde lane in the
big bend....just south of..east corner of wentworth...yours built
1937....over old dock filled in........old north star of
1850.pub.cottages brickmakers.
.gdad his family born...1870 to 1958 they there....new
...ba.......houses now it stead.......clear view on freeview in
google..........west ave off broadway southall had st party 1953...uncle
fred dressed as clown.kids tressels jelly......lady marg...just off had
st parties.........best wishes jean...xxxxx ... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by Jean Kirby (Member 10268700) on 3-Jun-2013
I am in Northamptonshire moved
here 1967 when I married. Mum and Dad bought Wentworth Road house,from
new moved in with my sister, my brother and I both born there. Have been
back to Southall a couple of times in last few years husband interested
in steam railways so visited the engine sheds in Windmill Lane, also
looked at some of the old haunts so much changed hardly recognisable.
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Jun-2013
yes it is one of the most changed
areas...but so,,many have caught up with it now...so there are many
local...changed and many parts of the country...likewise.....lots..not
so....they are lovely...still lots..ok...much the same....1967 most went
those yrs.........wentworth john wooton..family moved in new,,,,,,,now
san francisco.......do you remember old barracks parade ground
demolished 1952...old
catholic orphanage....by....ba...and for int
aeradio.........springwatch..on...daily..gt ..even middx london...gt
wildlife....green belt still there.....bats we get 9pm....fox cubs
frolic...all the birds.....and ...out for...some minutes loads
now..young ..canada geese swans..grey lag geese ...yellow
mallards...coutts......swans.......baby robin..swoop of young
starlings....rural and .town alike...lovely..gt rivers canals.......my
class mate went village islip outside northampton..from southall.......
..nice built hses wentworth still look ok ... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Jun-2013
gt for golfers
wentworth......heston airport now golf...and lloyd sports
centre.......west midx golf still lovely bunny pk..brent
lodge...hills...river brent..tall spire.......harry secombe brother was
vicar
- Re: 24th May
by Jean Kirby (Member 10268700) on 3-Jun-2013
Yvonne: I remember the name
Wootton they lived nearer to the top end of Wentworth I think they had a
daughter Pat I'm not so sure about a John I think that Pat would have
been more my sister's age. I also remember a school like buiulding where
International Aeradio was that burnt down when I was small would that
have been the orphanage that you spoke of?
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Jun-2013
jean...kind of you....yes was
orphans school catholic..they lived in 1857 to 1952 yrs....1936 the nuns
moved out..lots 12 yr old boys sent to canada slave labour.......north
side....of buildings facing canal...big trees facing...western rd
bridge....entrance parade ground was southall lane....huge14 ft cenotaph
to 1952..wrongly demolished by labourers 80 names on 3 with special
bravery awards......in
grounds..near aeradio office..........yes very old brick....used
school...but orphans 600 had been from all over london..jesuit priests
started 1857............thanks...fire ..probably.....yes demolshed the
lot by 1952.....was farm..cows..orchards..yrs back..boys
selfsufficient...lived there dormitories..3 chapels...laundry nursery
for babies...back to yr 1857.........barrack row.track.....went off
towards wentworth rd........wooton...1937 onwards to 1960s...he
went...some years around..wife family....san francisco..she could be his
sister...he went to norwood green primary............played mounds like
all did..even my aunt by old oak pub...they did..my dad ..etc...the
mounds..play.........best wishes..springwatch tonight......bbc.tv ... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by Jean Kirby (Member 10268700) on 3-Jun-2013
The big trees were the beautiful
ornamental cherries with the pink blooms always loved to see them. Dad's
family were all from Southall Grandad worked at Gas Works as did Dad
and my brother, both made redundant when Gas Works closed. Mum and Dad
left Southall for Buckinghamshire 1973. I don't think any family left in
Southall now.
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Jun-2013
some of mine at gasworks...2 got
redundancies 1970s yr......but family tree..couple lived waltham by gas
1890 1900 stokers.....at gas....couplewar bombs around gas ..during
war.........lovely blossom this yr...gt big blousy reddy pink...delicate
pinks....several roads..thanks..to know...those trees also..pleased to
know..was dense growth there north side..suppose you could not see the
14 ft cenotaph just
there in grounds..north side...boys died 2 wars..names..stone
white.......demolished 1952.....nov each yr they did a service
there...........yes 70s ..most moving out by then..........best
wishes.....xxxxx ... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by Jean Kirby (Member 10268700) on 3-Jun-2013
Yvonne:I wished that I had seen
the cenotaphe with the boys names. I didn't know that such a thing
existed. Dad worked Gas Works over 40 years was a crane driver there, my
brother a mechanical engineer. It's amazing how the gas holder still
looms over the area such a long time after the closure of the works. we
are just watching BBC1 programme The Peoples Coronation absolutely
beautiful pictures of the Queen and golden coach, brings back so many happy memories. ... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Jun-2013
yes bbc tonight was gd...day of
rain..etc...gd bbc......I worked bbc tv.6yrs.....was gd.......in
google..site....day of the week.......what day was it...2 june
1953...tuesday...so...exact 10 am tues tomorrow queen philip family at
abbey.........nice white cleaned now.....cosmati mosaic italian..of
.1000yrsago....restored in place all monarchs crowned....new huge
painting of queen there.......................photos..cenotaph.80
names...in google...14 ft high....but huge dense trees were
there.....crime that stupid labourers demolished..complaints to all.by
many.......60 yrs now...nothing done............tv 10 am
tomorrow........abbey.......went there free wednesday nights yrsago..was
so...saw touched st edwards chair...coronation kings chair..stone scone
under.........gt tour of abbey.........and in parliament was gd...... ... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Jun-2013
http://www.warmemorials.org/uploads/publications/172.pdf
page 10.......huge article...photo memorial cenotaph....80 names...cross
14 ft high stone..soldier sailor stoops in stone....huge thick hedges
north side.....over look western rd bridge canal....huge tall trees...in
photo here.........or type in google........2 special medals
.brave..and one...legion...honour....boys names ...demolished 1952
..by ..ba ..and boac..for aeradio.......80 should go on heston
memorial..plenty room..carve...60 yrs....many ask..nothing
done...........jean...................northyde....would not
see.......there photo shows private of hundred yrs.orphans badly
treated....huge hedges trees..north side..wall..high........ ... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Jun-2013
in google type.......on page
10..photo of your schol you saw....high hedges..dense,,walls..huge tall
thick trees.....................type...friends of war memorials bulletin
autumn 2004..number 22..issn 14732335.............scroll to page
10...huge page article......nov 11 every yr they had mass service at
memorial 14 ft high....dads came..nov 11 1952 it had
gone,,,,demolished......all know...nothing done....by..west end wentworth rd..1952 ... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by penny (Member 10265839) on 4-Jun-2013
Jean,
re coronation: Yes, I came equal first in a Nell Gwynne costume which
my aunt had made. The other winner was a boy whose costume was entirely
made out of newspapers - trousers, jacket and hat - but I never knew
his name - not from Western Road school.
I went back to Wentworth Road about 3 years ago and what struck me the
most was that the neat rows of green and yellow privet hedging have
all disappeared and many of the front gardens are entirely paved. Such
a shame - it was always so green and leafy. It is very depressing. ... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by penny (Member 10265839) on 4-Jun-2013
Jean,
re coronation: Yes, I came equal first in a Nell Gwynne costume which
my aunt had made. The other winner was a boy whose costume was entirely
made out of newspapers - trousers, jacket and hat - but I never knew
his name - not from Western Road school.
I went back to Wentworth Road about 3 years ago and what struck me the
most was that the neat rows of green and yellow privet hedging have
all disappeared and many of the front gardens are entirely paved. Such
a shame - it was always so green and leafy. It is very depressing. ... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Jun-2013
so many towns now front paved for
cars..if 2 in family...or such.....parking can be the near impossible
many places now..yellow lines...parking meters...p..for resients permit
holders only....small island england...population..traffic cars...dodgem
cars to get downnarrow roads..where parked..on road... as well as 2
rows traffic backwards forwards....if cars up on front way of
house.....helps..let alone
bike trying to share lane of road as well.............but yes less cars
.....was just bikes.buses along uxbridge rd.....etc..we had
hedges..privet..lawn..front flower beds..annuals...was gt......... ... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by Jean Kirby (Member 10268700) on 4-Jun-2013
Penny: It's strange how certain
things stay in your memory I was sure that you won the competition, and
can still see you in your pretty dress with a basket of oranges. I don't
however, remember the boy in the newspaper outfit. I totally agree
with you about Wentworth Road I was shocked when I first saw it, not the
same place now as when we grew up. When did you and your parents leave?
It's good that we have
this site at least we can make contact with some friends of our
childhood, and share some wonderful memories with the new friends that
you make on here also. I met with Linda recently and she sends her
regards. ... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 4-Jun-2013
When I lived at North Hyde Lane
for a brief eighteen months, I used to get off the bus from Hayes after
work and walk the entire length of Wentworth road, and that was a very
long road to walk. Coming up to the 1953 Coronation I looked forward to
that walk every night as every single garden was decorated in some way
or other. There were flowers, pictures of the Queen, lots of Union
Jacks, and some really
lovely models, and silver and gold decorations, all wishing the future
Monarch their love and best wishes. I was really sad when it all ended. ... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Jun-2013
thats nice..wentworth
rd..........the oil..the crown ..alter..at abbey today...service..today
tuesday as it was...kate baby due july..there ..the future monarch
..2013..birth...marvellous...music..event today tv..sunny.....
- Re: 24th May
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 4-Jun-2013
It was lovely to finally see the War Memorial at the Orphanage in North Hyde in the Link you provided
Yvonne. I hadn't realised it was so beautiful. It is inconceivable that
anyone would have demolished it, but having said that, if the land was
sold to other Businesses, I can hardly see it being removed for safe
keeping. What a terrible shame that those young men's names will be
forgotten. That Bulletin is now 9 years old. Someone knew what happened to it, but unfortunately they too will probably have passed on now. ... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Jun-2013
janice.....out your way...won
best dressed st coronation....1953...bristol mansfield st..film of it on
bbc news..£75..won..all st went to weymouth day out....gt abbey today
400 choir music......sunny...silver outfit 87 yrs..along side 27 yr old
film.gown.queen..philip 92 monday........charle 4...65 th yr now..ann
2..........crown..oil...lolipop lady 2 little 6yr olds....lovely
service..new archbishop
canterbury gd....new poem.....chair restore gt...and cosmati..ancient
mosaic..floor...saw wed nigh free yrs ago tour abbey.......gt bbc
tv.......gratitude to her..gold coach lovely in mews visit..and 50yrs we
saw by st pauls.......baby july...ears hears....huge
volume...heralds...music...wow...gt for baby.....3 ahead
sovereigns..........silver outfit beautiful.....92 happy birthday
philip...monday......must be trooping colour soon...not side
saddle.horse back...as was ..of course........ ... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Jun-2013
have written to all......yrs
now...so has barry raymond local historian......councils know...all
local history libraries...know...ealing had huge display library 8 yrs
ago.....london depts all know...nothing ...done...80 names should carve
immediately heston..memorial....plenty room......2 specialbrave
awards..one.....honour france award...fathers used to go 11 nov every
yr..huge service...they turned
up 1952......no 14 ft memorial...gone....11 no v...1952.....ba..to
..blame...ministry ..london...to blame...councils..to
..blame...aerdio...was part of them........war memorials now to
blame..not redo carving names.........1857 to 1952 owned by catholic
society london..orphans to ..blame...we have all written .many times to
them....2 boys....came 11 nov,....every yr...as old men...they tried
tried....nobody listened to them...dear old men suffered the horrible
jesuits there....labourers arrive..demolish all in sight...no
supervision...shame on them all......80 names barry has.....need to go
on heston memorial...other names there of heston village....orphans were
ground of heston parish........army depts
wrote..to...sailor..soldier..statue..christ on cross........hidden in
growth trees....everybody at work nobody sees the disgrace of
it.........80 poor souls ..hard life....many were sent to canada slave
labour farms...worked self sufficent farm...there orchard...there..huge
complex they had bu canal 1857 to 1952...demolish...catholic society
bought 1857 from..ministry ordinance gun.powder factory barracks
yr1800.....the government.....no supervision..nobody ever claims
responsiblity.......80 good souls names.....ealing library has southall
names in book there....southall churches have lists names their parish
on walls.......
... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by Jean Kirby (Member 10268700) on 4-Jun-2013
Yvonne: Thank you for the link to
the War Memorial it is such a shame that it disappeared. I don't
remember ever seeing it. It really is a beautiful monument. Let's hope
that they will find it one day, and put it back where it belongs.
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Jun-2013
must have been smashed with
rubble of school barracks....gravel went to heathrow runway....by
1952....hard core ..very valuable......1952....60 yrs people have
tried....I wrote letters..waste of my precious time......nobody..says
their job..money to..carve names...plenty room on heston
memorial.......catholic church southall green...and catholic..cathedral
london...no reply at all from...etc.....army
...memorials...war graves..council..s.....all tried by .any 60 yrs
now.......by many tried...nothing..done..queen is only one not written
to...if anybody wants to help..............names are
known......featherstone boys school southall..mine went to..gdad 1892 on
yrs..etc.........they have war memorial names memorial
sone..carved...still displayed.......ealing broadway huge monument
ealing names carved...............not poss see jean north side near
canal...huge growth for privacy.......gt film..on tv...just before
queen..trip whole canada.....gt film......we went 1980 mth great
toured...........xx
... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by penny (Member 10265839) on 4-Jun-2013
Jean-left Wentworth Road in 1969 -
shared a flat in Ealing - got married 1971. My Dad died 1976 and my
Mum moved to be near us (we were in Hampshire by then).
Glad you're in contact with Linda Harvey. Has she changed much? Where
is she living now? Send her my best wishes when your're next in contact.
- Re: 24th May
by Jean Kirby (Member 10268700) on 4-Jun-2013
Hi Penny Linda hasn't changed at
all really at least I don't think so, we still get on really well and
often talk about the old days of school and you and Hilary. She isn't a
fan of technology hence why she's not on this site. I do know that she
is a friend of Alan Woodley's wife and sees them occasionally. I lost
both my Mum and Dad they left Southall 1973 asnd moved to
Buckinghamshire not too far
away from us. Dad died 1986 and Mum 1996. Sorry to hear you lost your
Dad also. I will tell Linda that we've made contact again, hopefully we
can chat again here. ... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by Sandy (Member 10264317) on 4-Jun-2013
We shared our coronation party
with Portland Rd lived in osterley Park Rd. Had races up & down Rd
to Cemetary wall. all cramed into one ladys house whohad a T.V. had a
oarty in the evening at British Legion behind Dominion Cinema. My Mum
iced 3 tier cake with chalk bust of the Queen on the top.
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Jun-2013
sandy ...lady lived hortus....she
sister brother age 3 to 7.......fancy dress...puff....guardsman..and
other...mum made fancy dress there 1953 day,,,,,,hortus.....
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Jun-2013
the nuns.....of the orphans
school...barracks....moved out 1937 to chigwell...they took their statue
christ with them.........it was next to...cenotaph...but 11 nov every
yr the old boys came back...for ceremony........1952 it had
gone...smashed away..........................when parade ground out
front west side....old bits...finally demolished..1 chapel left aeradio
used as old office..said it was
haunted...nursery 1857 onwards babies....dealt with .........age 12
boys sent to canada farms slave labour..........map mr allen drew of
dormitories laundry etc...whole areas we have.......queen buck palace
only one not written to........disgrace....shame ..of 80 names
smashed..barry has the names........60 yrs of....asking..all...but
nothing done......money would not be much carve 80
names..............1920 to 1952 they 11 nov..ceremonies there... ... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 5-Jun-2013
cant ..put photos on here...for
nostagia...memories...jog...chat..etc..but links...can...nuns 1937
took...statue jesus to chigwell.nuns place there....statue there
today.....when they moved out ...of sch orphans .end of wentworth
rd......scroll down....we have known long time...but 1952 war memorial
sailor soldier at carving..80 names...wrongly smashed rubble......map we
have of inmate boy he drew..all
rooms and .memorial....ad also statue ..at north side..overlook
canal..in dense high
hedges...1937......trees....http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=33&p=topics.orphans.uk.england
. ... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 5-Jun-2013
we had member......whose family
..were bulls bridge..yrs ago.........famous white old
cottage.......todays gazette.........the bulls bridge..demolition..of 2
cottages..together there..white in photo..at canal edge.....toll
house...........................refurbish....and erect one concrete
mixing unit....and staff facilities.....with car parking...for
boaters.....conservation consent....demolition.of two cottages........it says....today...... ... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Jun-2013
pauline...if you saw the ian
naill bk ..london childhood......photo rusty old bridge spikes....bumpy
field over....very old...bridge...bit of shock..memory....1913/4 born 12
yrs old southall 1925ish...from scotland....spikes
bridge...wharfs...old ..west side..loads high wood for barges,,,,going
up to hayes bridge........photos......but if you have seen the
book..cover .they said had 2 boys leaning
over bridge top,,,,,,,so 1935 yrs 1950s yrs bridge...so posh now....new
brick sides..new tow path...anti slip tar...footpath surface
bridge.......kids crossing to go tudor rd school.......but scary to see
photo of old bridge iron......wobbly planks........not the money for so
many yrs...at last ..wait and money comes.......rop swing out ..flop
into water canal..dares..etc......dirty old canal.......so often..nice
today......... ... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 7-Jun-2013
Spikes bridge was originally a
farm for growing hay & straw for horse feed up in
London, pic of new new bridge on my photo site.
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Jun-2013
thanks dennis........yes yr 1800
with new canal...hayes farm......uxbridge rd..down to....spikes
bridge.....swing bridge for farmer..hay.....to london horses..barge come
back with manure..........................and across swing..municipal
pk..area was his..farmer part of land..hay....so ccross the swing
bridge....barges..hay to
paddington..horses..london...............................hayes farm up
to waggon horses toll gate ..turnpike uxbridge rd ....by hayes bridge
around farmers land...huge amount hay for loads horses...to aling
southall market also...waggons hay piled high photos...........old 1930
photo is shock...iron .plates rusted...rough old bridge...shockto look
at it....rough underneath at supports....by tow path..cheap old
bridge...1930...1935...1940....naill photo of his book.......age 12 he
arrived from scotland spikes bridge area
lived......................ian...book.....london childhood
... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Jun-2013
they have fought BUT CANT SAVE 3 HORSE SHOES..http://www.londonpubsgroup.org.uk/viewnode.php?id=878
meeting next thurs ealing council developers demolish......not
viable....shops asked for......not pub goes..been monitored several
yrs..fight but....no choice..like redlion greenford large .site..not the
pub drinkers...........camra in google....2 long articles
history....fight..but council....thurs
meeting to finalise developers..........now.......ought to call shop
complex 3 horshoes shop mall....was smithy legget..and...pub.yr1800 old
southall village....generations.southall.heart of their
memories........... ... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Jun-2013
http://www.londonpubsgroup.org.uk/viewnode.php?id=878
camra in google..assoc pubs....met there....most months for yrs..they know it well...meetings in there..assoc ..for pubs..camra
- Re: 24th May
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 7-Jun-2013
Thats going to alter the Southall we know.
- Re: 24th May
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 7-Jun-2013
I think I've seen the book cover
but not the book. Although the new bridge my brother David and I saw in
2000 looked safer, it still didn't have the character or the memories of
the old iron Spikes Bridge. The old bridge had an iron ledge on the
outside, which Ron and Zeta will remember, and it was a dare to climb
all along it. The thick wooden planks we walked on were very squeaky and
loose, and I can
remember avoiding some that were a bit scary! I've seen pictures of the
new Spikes Bridge on our Southall Photoboards. Thanks Dennis for the new
Spikes Bridge on your Flicker photostream. It's nice to see all your
photos all together now. ... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Jun-2013
famous
architect..unique...got...rare high status...1914 ..rebuilding
there...but war .shortages not complete to 1922...so english heritage
1922...not able to give it....more staus.....that if it had been nearer
1900s yrs..of rebuild.........fight long time....but council..now meet
demolish........little old pub...rural..village high st....like
greenford red lion..was site of..beginning of a ..famous..town
from..rural village...so was 3 horseshoes....landmark.....leggett
smithy...butlers 1903 ..opposite....2 wars......no 3 horseshoes any
more....name the shop complex..clear large .nice lettering..3 horseshoes
corner..shop mall................generations families...lives...knew it
all.........wa their life..............len would be sad to see
empty..corner there.............traffic lights town
hall....................all our yr 1900 photos..............1950
photos........................
... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Jun-2013
oh yes the old iron
ledge....1950s.....yes...now you say...yes....old iron..square...pinned
together..this old photo in his book..1930s 1950s yrs nail was there
ian.......bleak old photo.......wish had photo of front cover to boys on
bridge....this one is in book...looking...north...up the canal...bumpy
field to left...old ..rail.....down into berwick.........bleak..empty
canal...quiet day photo.....iron..looks
so bad......just rough pieced together................but kids voices
life of families thats what makes the
nostalgia...lovely................wish had picture of the cover of
book...2 boys on the bridge.....................he had it reprinted
different covers.......................
... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Jun-2013
libaries have copies
book..ian..naill.born scotland came southall age12 1925 ish
..yrs.....spikes area...half dozen .photos in book...old timber
..spikes...to...hayes bridge.......inside..ironn pinned square
section...iron pieces bridge across......wide span..lot in
photo......but front cover..of his original..print of book..that fron
cover would be gt...2 little lads on bridge etc.................not in google....................libaries have book...london childhood...
people say..nice read................ ... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Jun-2013
photo inside book is 1935 1940
ish ..not 1950.....no spikes on it...council added those keep kids
off....read..........long narrow across...bolted pieces iron squares..oh
yes ...now you say....yes remember the iron..ledge.....
left .bumpy feld path up..rail......but..not so much over to
right......tow path there...under 2 sides bridge old and clear.....old
supports.iron..rusting.......where kids played under...is clear in photo....old ..old photo.... ... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Jun-2013
think...has gone on
board11......half way through....seems to show....spikes 1925 to 1940
yrs...bridge .....naill born 1913 ish..age 12...southall spikes area
from scotland lived............near impossible that flickr now...they
have changed it so badly...to upload..description...etc....yes I got all
sizes....but.....loads cant ..do ......as 3yrs did there.......wish
they had not changed it........
- Re: 24th May
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 7-Jun-2013
That photo of Spikes Bridge on
our Southallboard11 had all the bridge in one whole section, closed in.
In 1940 it was a cris-cross iron bridge, as I was 9 years old then.
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Jun-2013
wonderful thanks...gt.......close
...1940...my one 50s....had spikes keep kids of..so rare get you know
1940....so grateful......yes so old there 1940..close gt to know.....big
thankyou......
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Jun-2013
freeview 80 now..queen bbc
radio...1939 1953 she was there....today new glass...myself worked there
1966....old still there left west...new east right //glass....8th floor
radio.one...3 rd floor radio 4.....she just spoke on........gt on
tv.....was there 1966..tweedy.auntie bbc..still in 1966.....gt
place......oxford st regent st....gt day today...............1932 build
1922 new bbc radio....gt war yrs...well done auntie beeb.........my yrs there....gt..... ... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 9-Jun-2013
Yvonne - there is a book called
"A London Boyhood" by Ian Naill. I typed in google "London Boyhood by
Ian Naill" and there are several headings, especially by Amazon where
they show a picture of three boys all sitting on a brick wall. Don't
know if this is an entirely different book!
- Re: 24th May
by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 9-Jun-2013
Pauline - that is the same book.
- Re: 24th May
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 9-Jun-2013
Thanks Colin. I might treat myself to this.
- Re: 24th May
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 10-Jun-2013
Pauline do treat your self
to London boyhood by Ian Nail i have read it twice &
recommend it, must reading for a old Southallian.
- Re: 24th May
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 10-Jun-2013
Thank you Dennis for the recommendation. I will get it.
- Re: 24th May
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 10-Jun-2013
Have just placed an order myself!
- Re: 24th May
by penny (Member 10265839) on 11-Jun-2013
Another excellent read is the
newly published "This Boy" by Alan Johnson. This autobiography takes us
through the 1950s into the 1960s in West London.
Good descriptions of housing, food, sweets, popular culture, schooling, etc. etc. Do try to read it if you can.
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Jun-2013
think I am back....4 days
internet explorer...lost log in..knowhere site...sent Pauline 2
replies..off site..hope she received....ian niall...yes got close up of
the top of the bridge..looks like ian age 12..on right..with 2 other
scamps..brick..canal bridge...born nov 1916 ...1928..he was
southall...hardback book...he wrote over 40 books...died age 85
ish...end of 1990s approx....wife daughter 2 sons
left...photo of him.when he wrote his 1st book..age
20s...ish...southall grammar said rumour he was expelled
1930s.approx.....1984 /approx.a London boyhood.160 pages...and
photos..bright blue cover..canal bridge 3 kids..swim.sitting on the
top... ... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Jun-2013
thanks penny.......yes 2013
memoir of politician....born may 1950.extreme poverty.slums nottinghill
gate..condemned 2 rooms...dad gambler.mum difficulties..older sister
helped bring kids up...no elect no toilet..gusunder.hide
from.tallyman..£13 ish hdb..ebook at Sainsbury......ian niall used pen
name..real name from Galloway..Scotland..mcnielly.......over 40
bks..mainly countryside..fishing...etc..........age 12.arrived west Middlesex.london.. ... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Jun-2013
keith............in
google....several pages of collection at ealing library....of martin
brothers...letters...items...etc..1900s to 1938.......2006 ceremony..4
gravestones erected by southall local history society..............today
bbc tv news...£20 million..lay new runway .south heathrow..7 hrs daily
at nights.for 6mths.work....ashfelt tough...europes busiest
airport...from Heston airport trucks took gravel..to build 1 st ..runway..beginning of heathrow...tents photos there......so many yrs ago........ ... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 12-Jun-2013
The new runway at Heathrow south does that mean that Sipson is left alone.
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Jun-2013
the south runway......being re
tar.....resurface.........6mths work....to...gradually...retar
it......showed men working there today........new terminal 2 ..redone
building...now..........old runway getting older so retar...strong..type
of tar surfacing using....huge use..busiest airport
Europe..............not building...extended new runway...plans been put
on hold so far......nov 2013...hear more on that.......local residents 3 councils voted april said no..far far.too much already.. ... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-Jun-2013
cats........tonight bbc 2 9pm.....horizon......cameras on necks......see where they go...................
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-Jun-2013
denis...............don't know
which yr but just incase......did you know..worked at
dilloways......paul santa maria..........kate about
11..am....tv...news..80/81......launch royal princess today cruiser
..Southampton...princess Diana did the previous one 1984...this one
built by venice......
- Re: 24th May
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 13-Jun-2013
Yvonne i worked for Dilloways from Aug. 1958 until Oct. 1959.
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-Jun-2013
long shot if you knew him....but
probably not........gt to see kate at Southampton....tv 82...launched
new cruiser...huge high.......50 cats gt
tonight..hoizon..9pm..tv...science....camera necks...track them....gt
fun.....night....gardens...car flaps....
- Re: 24th May
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 13-Jun-2013
Thank s Yvonne could i ask how you found out about him it mite shed some light.
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-Jun-2013
no date at all given..so if
gilloways open 20 yrs could be anytime......his daughter asking if
anybody knew him......he went to the gym also..by it .by st anselm
church..so my guess is he worked there 1970ish
yrs.............facebook...
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-Jun-2013
crown cork are having their 1st
reunion...july 2013....friends reunited....have workplaces.......members
put themselves on southall jobs.......if there are others there working
yrs they did..........memories.....nostalgia.......
- Re: 24th May
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 13-Jun-2013
Thanks Yvonne after my time.
- Re: 24th May
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 14-Jun-2013
I think it closed early to mid 70s.
- Re: 24th May
by Bill Henley (Member 10272156) on 14-Jun-2013
The back of my house in Brent
Road looked over to Crown Cork in Scotts Road. In the summer when they
had their windows open we could hear the loud machinery. As a boy I
collected many exotic bottle tops with fascinating pictures and names.
Sadly my mother binned them when I left home. My Aunt (89yrs) worked
there for many years. She now lives in Pagham.
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-Jun-2013
best wishes to you 89 yr
old..very good wishes to her...my southall cousin..married st john..is
100 next yr..lives Canada.........lots people have gt memories
cork..offices as well.................lots on google...photos of items
etc..................denis 1975 ish..dilloway....that could be why he
left.....gym..nearby....so sounds like...60s 70s..worked
there.............Scotsman pub..suppose has
closed as well....................brent rd my aunt was superviser
learley...she loved it her workmates.......tin biscuit fri night...... ... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 14-Jun-2013
Mention of Crown Cork arouses
some very old memories. In the 1940's I was in the 1846 ATC Squadron. We
used to go to Crown Cork some evenings to use their Rifle Range-0.22
rifles.
- Re: 24th May
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 14-Jun-2013
Michael i remember going to
some .22 rifle ranges all big firms seem to have one in
thoes days but not anymore.
- Re: 24th May
by Jean Kirby (Member 10268700) on 14-Jun-2013
I worked at Crown Cork from 1963 -
1967 left when I married I worked in the accounts department part of
the new office block. I was there when an extra floor was built on top
of the existing building which held the drawing office. Drove down
Scotts Road a couple of years ago looked like Crown Cork had long gone.
Scotsman building was still there although I think that it was some sort
of Asian Restaurant rather than the pub that we knew. ... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-Jun-2013
think crown cork having 1st reunion july 2013.......
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Jun-2013
tribute to Northolt ...raf 95
yrs.....red arrows put colour stream ..back
on...over.............from...palace balcony...formation groups.....over
Northolt airport......Chinook..trio.........gt day 60 yrs..birthday
parade...music..grand.......sunny........
- Re: 24th May
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 15-Jun-2013
Ah Lancaster just gone over i bet thats where its been.
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Jun-2013
yes queen just had the Lancaster
no spit no hurricane,,,,over Northolt awacs..tornadoes typhoons...red
arrows..with...stream,,,,tip...in salute......and shinooks........
- Re: 24th May
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 15-Jun-2013
Thanks.
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Jun-2013
todays.....gazette.................new ealing broadway cinema..to open
2017......change of developer..was row....large photo looks
nice......huge...150 flats above......multiscreen
cinema...bars..café..restaurant...keeping..same
façade..heritage......opposite old town hall registry office
steps.....filmworks.complex....called......exhibition plan in ealing
shop mall centre
- Re: 24th May
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 15-Jun-2013
I have now got Ian Niall's book-terrific reading.
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Jun-2013
good let us
know..............photo of him..older .grey and
.beard...................photo.of him..young ..slim..at 1st bk
written.....over 40 bks..often countryside.....worked for spectator..and
country life....died 2002 born nov 1916....................went live
wales wife..daughter 2 sons....then lived chilterns.....son Exeter
uni......a writer................3 boys on bridge...got close up..looks
like him.12 on right....swim.tops
off...canal...scamps....................rumour he got..dismissed from
southall grammar...............liked fishing etc...........born Galloway
Scotland.............
... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Jun-2013
3
horseshoes....developers....ealing council thurs met...not viable..plans
shops..residential above...plan..old shops by it was
singer..........landlord..today said..thinks 2 yrs...to get survey money
sorted out....if he stays open till then.........landmark..1900s
yrs...traffic lights crossroads heart..of southall...camra pub society
meet there...but .not viable..beer selling..............
- Re: 24th May
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 15-Jun-2013
Michael enjoy i have just bought it to even though i have already read it twice.
- Re: 24th May
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 15-Jun-2013
Yvonne & all Southall not the same after 3 horse shoes gone.
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Jun-2013
some sort of modern
corner...shops..flats above...............100yrs and
more....pub....landmark like redlion..crossrds Greenford...............
- Re: 24th May
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 16-Jun-2013
Although I have been looking out
for my book "A London Boyhood" by Ian Niall, I have only just this
minute found it. Our lovely postman had put it through my letter box,
and it had secreted itself down the side of my recycling box in the
porch! Haven't read any of it yet, but am so delighted with the
excellent condition it is in. This has been very well looked after.
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Jun-2013
wonderful...have good read..let
us know.....2002 he died....lived chilterns......wales before.....wife
daughter 2 sons.........
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Jun-2013
Heston war memorial....and in
google...their other site there..typed list names....palmtrees plants
there...by Hounslow
council...trough....http://www.windowonwoking.org.uk/sites/goldsworthparkcommunityassociation/history/memorials/heston
- Re: 24th May
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 17-Jun-2013
Is "A London Boyhood" by Ian
Niall easy to get? I must get one for myself now. As some of you know, I
grew up in north Hanwell, Greenford & Ealing 1947-67 and it was a
wonderful place at a wonderful time. But my friends now tell me that
Ealing is UNSAFE to walk around in now after 7 p.m. Is that really
so? 2 weeks ago I paid my annual visit to Hanworth. It is now truly a
place to avoid and I doubt if I shall ever go back. ... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 17-Jun-2013
book in google............and
list of places there to get..............amazon.....or 2nd hand
places.........ebay....library .will order you one.of a library..and get
posted to you..your library
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 17-Jun-2013
photos 2 wks ago of
4....headstones..martin bros..Havelock....2006 ealing cemetery dept
Percival hse and st john church....had ceremony..there...1995...southall
local history dept..got money for...g twyman.over30 yrs chairman..lives
dormers wells lane.......ancestry they left..probate to their
wives...............on deaths................but poor...not
getting..money from their..pottery really...................et c etc....etc ... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 17-Jun-2013
denis....north rdschool......swim
pool in largest hut.........between infants juniors......1961 ish
opened ......kids took 2/6 week for 8 weeks to pay for
it...................closed pool hen dormers senior..pool built...they
walked there.....................
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 17-Jun-2013
bbc2 tv.tonight.....4
episodes......heathrow...........live......start 1946
1955.........tents.....70 million passengers yr
now......................behind scenes
- Re: 24th May
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 17-Jun-2013
Thanks Yvonne did not know that.
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 17-Jun-2013
spoke of tents etc...concrete
pour....runways built.................airtraffic control.....good
programme..............1944 ,military....then civil................wh
smith bookshop..early on..mud..duck boards..services tents..north
runway...........tarmac..started with 46
planes............lancasters...............13 seats Buenos ares.went
- Re: 24th May
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 18-Jun-2013
One of the Lacasters crashed in the Andes the crash site was only found a few years ago.
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Jun-2013
oh thats
interesting...............very gd programme 4 parts ...again
8pm..tonight..........hope to hear of niall..book..from you
all....reading.......thanks...best wishes
- Re: 24th May
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 18-Jun-2013
Have just finished Ian Niall's
book "A London Boyhood", and what a wonderful account of his childhood
in Scotland and London (especially Southall)it is. His knowledge of
wildlife, both North and South, is truly remarkable, but it is his
absolute honesty that impressed me, even when it was not to his
advantage. Some very sad scenes and some lovely ones to compensate. It
wouldn't be fair to tell too
much about his book, as it would spoil it for the reader. Suffice to
say, that I will now endeavour to read it all over again, more slowly
this time, to absorb any of the bits I missed. A truly lovely book. ... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 18-Jun-2013
Snap! I also have just read Ian's book and agree with Pauline.Some nostalgic photographs as well.
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Jun-2013
lovely....and items...on southall..rare read...........photo cover of bridge 3 kids..hang over to swim canal........
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Jun-2013
few mths ago gazette.......local
history librarian ealing..dr oates.written many bks yrs...........just
given talk.ealing through ages..of his new bk..ealing then now.45
photos...........he has written of local..Christie..murder of
nottinghill.rillington..film..last man to be hanged....arrested southall
pk.stole bike...crimes west drayton.where.oates lives..age
43............1995ish ealing library...Christie
worked palace cinema..southall....................so mike.nostalgia
photos...of niall.SOUNDS NICE....I put the iron bridge spikes on
flickr....denis puts photos on his flickr....Pauline especially southall
child memories...SOUNDS NICE......seems he came age12..born nov
1916..ish...died 2002...chilterns......85ish mcnially john .niall his
pen name........ ... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 18-Jun-2013
Glad you enjoyed Pauline thought you would 1st time i read it was 1981 when i lived in Lancashire.
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Jun-2013
denis....do you remember the
photo of old iron,,spikes bridge.in it...kindly colin...gave that photo
from his.................such rare photo...very interesting.............
- Re: 24th May
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 18-Jun-2013
Yes Yvonne i remember it
- Re: 24th May
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 19-Jun-2013
Yes, I did enjoy it Denis,
especially all the time he spent in Southall. It was lovely to read
about his schools and places of worship. Many hilarious events as well.
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Jun-2013
http://www.mabains.co.uk/index.html
traditional quaint old sweet shop...Chalfont st peter....by uxbridge
harefield middx...........tel..01753 880 082....by the a413..high
st......red kites birds prey.go over now.....old sweets even some people
cant remember.......sold in old measures....then
converted......................milestones museum..prince Philip
opened..m3..basingstoke..kids get war ration..token....3
pen .oth.....sweets jar bagged....and pier slot machines...pin
ball..etc.etc..2 old pence..emptied loads
used..seaside..machines.....but equivalent of 20 new pence each
now..................in google .ma bains..etc...utube film ..in google
uxbridge 1960s......708 freeview..bbc radio 4 extra...lots
plays...detectives ..etc...clever..bbc radio..atmosphere radio
actors......home service drama..........thriller lord of the flies at
the weekend......... ... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 20-Jun-2013
Yvonne mention you Chalfont i
remember going to scout camp there with the 3 Spartons Southall
about 1954 is it still there.
- Re: 24th May
by penny (Member 10265839) on 20-Jun-2013
Has anyone else noticed that
there is a copy of Ian Niall's "A London Boyhood" for sale on Amazon for
the amazing price of £1999.00!!!!!!!!
- Re: 24th May
by Bill Henley (Member 10272156) on 20-Jun-2013
Chalfont Heights Scout camp is
still operating. In the 1960s I ran scout camps there with the Lady
Jersey Own troop and then the Trojans. The highlight for many was the
night walks without torches for boys who had only known life in the
street lit town. There was still a certain naivety about the boys then
that seems sadly missing in the current generation. I am rather sad at
some of the social changes that my generation brought about. ... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 20-Jun-2013
Yes Penny, I noticed it when I ordered from Amazon!
You'd think they would have altered it by now.
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Jun-2013
Chalfont st giles...Chalfont st
peter.....bucks...under Amersham council....they would
know.....Chalfont...by university college....open air..Chiltern
museum....events...so good.................prefab...school
marm...lessons...in old school hse...etc..etc......red kite bird prey
restored...flies over...huge gt...............old sweet shop...ma
bain.....in google..............red white stripe barber
pole shop.................thatch
cottages..................gorgeous..midsummer murders filmed
there........just off uxbridge Denham.................
... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 20-Jun-2013
I went to scout camp at Chalfont in the 1950's.
The word KYBO sticks in the memory
- Re: 24th May
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 20-Jun-2013
Thanks for that Bill & Michael glad its still there.
- Re: 24th May
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 20-Jun-2013
Yes Yvonne this is the
bridge at Spikes i remember this is the bridge i think that
most of us played on who lived in the area. This bridge was
replaced by the 1 in my Flicker pics, i think it is a pre war
pic if you look under the bridge its fields no Geo. Wimpeys
also i think this is the bridge that replaced the swing
bridge you mentioned.
- Re: 24th May
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 20-Jun-2013
Denis, I'm getting a bit puzzled
about Spikes Bridge. Are you saying that the picture on Southallboard 11
and in Ian Niall's book is the one you played on as a child. It
certainly isn't the one I played on from when I was about seven (1938).
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Jun-2013
yes..replaced the swing bridge
1930...onwards yrs.........very old
iron....bridge....................can see the bumpy field under it over
brookside....rail...to...ashford Berwick
ave..delemare................yeading brook area...tow path
there...........front cover..has blue with white...semi circle..around 3
lads looks like him age 12 to right.......have him..photo when he wrote
1st bk......and one of
him grey beard...older.......worked for spectator.........biography of
niall written by friend......in google...says...niall rumour got
expelled from southall grammar...died 85 yrs
old...nov1916..2002.....chilterns.....previous was wales wife 3
children............gt to have that photo bridge
colin...gave...............yes modern one anti slip tar......new
bricks....design posh.....spikes gone...costs..loads money.....20008ish
or before ish.........but tudor rd school kids have to use
it...etc..........3 lads swim..ready hanging over brick edge
bridge.....suppose he played top lock etc as well.......bulls
bridge......presume he lived near spikes...1928 yrs
onwards............mcniallie john his real
name...........from....Galloway Scotland.........grandparents part of
his childhood...back there..........
... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 20-Jun-2013
I'm reading my brother's autobiography, bearing in mind that he was 5 years younger than me.
Spikes Bridge was a comparatively small sturdy "Bailey Bridge" type of
construction, all iron girders with a typical criss cross reinforcement.
Underneath the bridge was also criss cross lengths of iron rod, tying
in the supports from side to side. It became a feature of one's physical
prowess and daring to
swing like Tarzan across the lattice of iron work until you reached the
other side. At times your arms ached so much, that the reality of what
you were doing would fill you with terror, but you knew you had to
succeed or suffer the consequences. What was really stupid however, was
that at the tender age of 8, when I started these escapades, I couldn't
even swim!
It would have been 1944 when David was doing all this on Spikes Bridge.
... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Jun-2013
gt diary....unique...not many
accounts like that.......so interesting.......yes ledge....jump
off.....ropes they sometimes swung on.......1944....marvellous
account..so good for yrs to come to read.......always love hearing parts
of it thankyou...greatly appreciated.........bumpy..field.....in
google....Paddington...London rubbish...glass
etc......buried...............and inlets...filled in ...also.......sandles
cut my foot...hillingd hosp..stitches tetanus................thankyou
Pauline and david how wonderful how rare to hear,,,,,that photo of old
iron bridge goes well with your david wonderful...adjectives
writing........descriptive.....can picture it all.. ... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Jun-2013
knickname the cut...many yrs
.........says 4ft deep....trough....water for
narrowboats..barges.....number90 spikes...87 Denham the deepest
lock.........tarzan....oh yes.....ropes they slung as well to swing.try
get across...wonder what the average width is.........age 8 1944..same
as my west ave cousin..born ..in house...like your.david......my
aunt..was 21/2.....married holy trinity 1934 xmas.......he went southall tech engineering..........now Yorkshire..2 gkids......
... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 20-Jun-2013
No Yvonne the bridge in Ian
Nails book is the one we played on as i said look under the
bridge on the far bank the field is trees & grass in
the 1940/50 Geo. Wimpey had it fenced off it was there
Lancaster road yard so the pic pre dates that.
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Jun-2013
lovely thanks denis
- Re: 24th May
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 20-Jun-2013
Pauline its not a very good
pic if you look thro a magnifying glass you can see the
lattice bars underneath & the outside bars we used to walk
across.
- Re: 24th May
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 20-Jun-2013
I have put a pic of Spikes
bridge from Ian Nails book, there is a pic of the new
bridge on my Flicker site.
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Jun-2013
will look now...carol
vordamen...doing world like amy Johnson...her gypsy moth on..tv..one
show.bbc 1...now.......carols boyfriend is one of red arrows
pilots.............19 days took.1st woman solo to
Australia.....cbe..around world solo...1941..crash..never found..thames
estuary 37 yrs old...hull born..
- Re: 24th May
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 20-Jun-2013
Denis - Yes, you're right about
the rare picture in Ian Niall's book. It obviously replaced the old
Swing Bridge, and the Iron Bridge with the iron ledge that we all played
on as kids replaced the one in the book. I was playing on it in 1938
and it wasn't new then. Probably built in the 1930's sometime. However,
when my brother David and I visited Spikes Bridge in 2000 for my
birthday treat, our dear
old criss cross bridge with the ledge on had gone, and yet another
newer bridge was there. I think we both shared the same memories and
weren't at all keen on this new one. The latest picture I have seen of
Spikes Bridge in your photos is not the same one we saw, so yet again
another new bridge! ... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Jun-2013
denis...Pauline...the
reflexion.....in water....presume...glass plate photo...seems detail
like that...................lattice yes....right...east side...my
cousin..1950s...played on under bridge...tow path under ..at...old
brick..support area there...was old ..hicle de pickl..ee.....if they
slipped fell ..climbing..over brick.or such...under
there...........spikes were put on to keep kids off.........google....has...14
ft wide ..grand union....narrow boats...6ft 10inch.wide.........4 ft
deep///but..bikes.dumped..sharp to cut self or such rubbish for
yrs.................dead cats
dogs......rats...wee....poo...............disease....fred and brother
got rheumatic fever from canal....ruined valve heart...both died young
heart attacks..had to do lifetime light work..as
adults.......................swam.canal.many yrs ..kids..they
did..southall.............bunked school..and learned whistle and play
mouth organ..from.gypsies over canal..................photo
niall...looks like...bumpy field west..left photo..brookside...now so
high...very high..cant see anything........at all.......cana..hidden
down low....in..huge tall high growth..all of yeading brook..brookside
fields................cant see bridge....little...gap walk....and
suddenly shock..oh there is the bridge from..Berwick...west
side..................... ... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 20-Jun-2013
I'm sorry Dens. I've just seen
your piece on Spikes Bridge, and that is not the bridge we played on.
Ours was a criss cross bridge that we could look through and hold onto.
Read David's writing on it. It explains it exactly.
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Jun-2013
denis............which yrs..did
your dad work wimpey.............was it Lancaster tudor rd...area
exactly..near tudor rd school..off that way area.................east
side of canal.......then wimpey..place at top lock..north
side..glade...................the merger was Woodrow wimpey....guess
what yr.....that might be in google.....best wishes
thanks...............
- Re: 24th May
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 21-Jun-2013
Dad started at Lancaster Road
Wimpeys about 1947. There was a bridge with lattice sides
which was the White bridge if my memory serves me right this
had a ledge across it was at the North side of Spikes bridge
park i think it was removed in the 1960/70.
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Jun-2013
thanks 1947.........was he
there..perhaps 20 yrs.............thanks......2007..merger taylor
wimpey........of Woodrow...........2012 taylorwimpey.finished new
marina...flats estate....Ruislip rd canal...of.where offices taylor
Woodrow was...broken windows derelict long yrs...........yes the
ledge...bridge.....wobbly ..wood planks.floor...1960....I knew
it.........spikes...had been put on...it....at
some stage..to try keep kids off....repairs...adaptations.....a
bit..................then brand new posh bridge..your flickr
photo.....costs loads..built by 2008 years............approx........anti
slip...tarmac..floor.......................1893.....1930 s..to
1970.......kids deaths accidents etc..southall canals....and ..blokes
.died fell in tipsey from .pub....in newspaper articles...in
archives.........loads bad illness
disease....people....from..canal..swim etc.....thanks lovely memories
denis..Pauline david......huge numbers...used spikes bridge
amazing........... ... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 21-Jun-2013
The bridge I'm talking about is
the one you got to by either walking through Spikes Bridge road alley,
or through the park onto the towpath. The White bridge was on the
opposite side of the canal to the right where the sunken barges where.
- Re: 24th May
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 21-Jun-2013
That should be 'were' not 'where' sorry.
- Re: 24th May
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 21-Jun-2013
No Yvonne Dad left Wimpeys 1958 then went to Hygrade Trumpers Way Hanwell.
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Jun-2013
thankyou...Pauline..lovely....thankyou...and denis.....amazing
interesting area....I.walked daily...........just under 10yrs denis..yes
remember you saying trumpers........and wimpey..place at north top
locks.glade area..............thanks...gt....happy 31 prince William
today...few weeks and new baby same lindo wing..unless..she is..near
other hospital..support....................best wishes to them all.....aisle at palace gate..since 1840....birth baby...royal................ ... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 21-Jun-2013
Yvonne was Wimpeys Top locks yard in the same area as Martin Bros Pottery.
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Jun-2013
yes
definitely.........denis...there is photo...of old top locks north
area..old gates building area
wimpey...there..glade...martin...was..along a bit...nearcanal...1870s
they took over old soap works..by canal........so..Havelock
rd..which..went down to canal area there...north side of
canal........coal depots along...my aunt born 1914...there
remembered....fire the hot kilns..........norwood bridge
had the huge..flour mill...turned...picture frame factory......norwood
bridge..canal.1837..vitreol..works along there mr dodds...payed for old
st johns..to be built.as no church in southall.....so rough wild kids of
brickmakers.ag labourers needed church as of school............ ... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Jun-2013
Pauline......we walked the
area...couple yrs..ago....west side spikes bridge now..extremely high
growth......as you say......west side...go right....white
bridge.....sunken barges................there is
Hillingdon.borough...trail..countryside walk..preserved public
footpath..high growth..dirt .bit of path....................we walked
it...goes along ..west side of canal...to the right north............past
the pillbox..of the ici ..war..ammo......it goes to the was
inlet..sunken barges.....they got filled in.......now as you
go.....there is..open..arch bridge wooden.so parallel to canal.bridge
over side inlet.west side...high for narrow boat to go under..swans
ducks etc....with..footpath you walk over it....now the inlet..goes
.west off canal...to..willowtree yeading marina..narrow boats....in
google...modern...days...large area...have annual...fete
there...................continue..over the west side canal path...going
north....and..rough old pond from..brickmaking..dug out.....now nature
reserve...great butterflies..some fishing.....and the photo..of the
across canal bridge 90A....is tall arch..metal..bridge 1894 photo horses
going over it to durdans off lady Margaret rd......90 is spikes
bridge..south of it.............like ..Adelaide..tow path had white
bridge...along tow path..into boat repair yard
Adelaide.dock.canal....bulls bridge...side .white arch
bridge...over...side part of canal..to take branch arm....to
Paddington..........white stone brick bridges..along the tow path side
areas............................think..your sunken barges white
bridge..west side.going north.....must....changed into today...10yrs
old...nice wooden arch bridge..............we walked over it....opposite
side to tow path walk...denis....west side........ ... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Jun-2013
with development of
online.......today it is said,,,that a book..biography etc.....can be
done directly with amazon............today............used to be a
private publisher costing a great deal........but ..says....not need to
be sold in shops...publisher that way..restrictions.........can be put
out..on amazon..without shops.....for aquire....
- Re: 24th May
by Bill Henley (Member 10272156) on 21-Jun-2013
The picture frame factory was
owned by the Haig family with whom I had some dealings via the Lady
Jersey's Own scout troop. It is interesting to note that Norwood Green
was the more important area before Southall Green and around was
developed. A schoolboy project of mine revealed that Osterley Park House
was important for the corset industry. With regard to the Martin
brothers, it is sad that their
fountain by the Manor house was destroyed by arson when in winter
storage and a number of items were stolen from Southall Library. ... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Jun-2013
yes...library....and
ftn....library still has some..to view now......pitsanger mansion hse
saw lots martin...yr 2000.....but ..robbery.....they are..locked away
now....albert memorial and V and A ..London..have some on
display.......haigh Johnson was 1958 mayor.southall...of the
family........some people still have haigh.frame prints....and they are
online...to buy......norwood green myfamily started
1802 baptism....brickfields..orchards mkt
gardening...farms.....Osterley farm.....canal.....southall green...my
family..on..1806.....canal...grows to new town..with rail
1837...........vicar says only33 dwellings yr1800...4
farms...only........massive growt brickmaking...houses factories...canal
rail..boom....uxbridge rd main rd London..Brentford mkt bath rd London
rd.......mass increase population..came in from everywhere for
work.......new town................horticultural collage ...in famous
mansions villas on norwood green....gentry.........bricks built buck
palace....my crowd local..1800 to 1980s etc.....earl jersey Osterley
hse..owed most land norw green southall..Heston..norwood..the old
name..he owned stretching to windmill lane Greenford...dormers
..etc.........female Margaret jersey opened town hall..name rd ..lady
marg rd.....new borough southall....southall local history
society....1961 and years........child banker..owned Osterley hse...lots
gentry around southall........took over a rural..quiet agricultural
labourers ..fields heath area.....rural........folk.........western rd
was mud lane..2 pubs... my family tree there 1841 1851 census...and at
northhyde cottages and norwood green old cottages they were........ ... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Jun-2013
Pauline.....it would be great to
put some sketches..of memory.......with davids dairy.........the
bridge....west side...boggy....weir..waterfall....sunken boats areas
inlets...white bridge..tow path.....brookside......cow
pats..ha.......sketches of the area..memory...would be
gt....scan..flickr...for all to
see....wonderful...memory...sketches......ledge..jumping off
etc.....pictures paint thousand
words...........no camera then....but.....drawings...would be gt...and
high st shops..broadway................I could sketch..my dormers
seniors..inside out..demolished 2012 from..my dad aunt went there new
1934......... ... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Jun-2013
bill.....think found it after few
hrs research today......we always go Osterley tour hse......heritage
history film.there books..costume...events Georgian.fashion.etc.....got
Gresham....childs....royal exchange London...banking......got childs
Villiers..1924...Villiers of southall....earl jersey............so
corset industry .is it...William graham.1818 to 1885.glasgow cotton
manufacturer....and Charles
mills.1st baron of Hillingdon.1830 to 1898..who.owned ...glyn mills
bank...........taken over by..child Villiers of osterley............THEY
gave to Osterley.hse...dughet painting..landscape..........from..the
cotton.manufacturer...corsets... ... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 24-Jun-2013
I agree that to have sketches of
all the scenes around Spikes Bridge which were there during my childhood
would be wonderful, but not possible. I just wish my brother, the
artist, could have done some. However, as no pictures are available, I
think it is essential that the firm memories I have should be recorded
for history's sake. Spikes Bridge was the centre of most of our
activities. As David recorded,
and as I have done a few times before, this Bridge was a very strong
bridge with iron girders and criss cross girders reinforcing the bridge
both sides. It had an iron ledge on the outside which I walked on for a
dare. Although I was petrified, it was only the fact that I could hang
on to each criss cross girder as I went along that I did feel a bit more
confident. Plus the fact that my brother and his friends were all
watching me, step by step, as they could all see through the spaces in
the girders.I don't remember any of the boys diving from the top of the
bridge, although my brother Bob did, who was a very strong swimmer and a
bit of a daredevil. I was not there to witness this, but he
unfortunately ripped his chest open on a submerged bike in the canal and
had to be taken to King Edward's Hospital in Ealing. All the boys used
to swim in "the cut" but I never did. I couldn't swim then anyway, but
it was so filthy. I do remember having a paddle once, but that wasn't
for long as there was always so much water being flung about with the
boys soaking each other! I used to be minding other people's clothes
most of the time on the canal bank to the left of the bridge. It was
grassy, but got very worn down due to all the kids in and out of the
water. There was "The Waterfall" which we used to call it, further along
to the left, which I put on this site on 11th May 2011, and Zeta
answered on 12th May 2011. Ron and Zeta put their recollections on, and
it was interesting to find out where the water came from. Some of it
ended up in the "bumpy" field on the right hand side of the bridge where
the cow pats were. Ron told us that a cow actually drowned in the field
where it became so swampy. As for the White bridge and the sunken
barges, I only went there once with some others and didn't like it at
all, so soon took off. My brother David called it a backwater of the
cut, abounding with newts, minnows and sticklebacks, where the hulks and
ribs of old barges stuck up in the mud. The boys all used to fish
there. He said in his autobiography that he wished it was stil ... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 24-Jun-2013
I forgot about the wooden planks
on the bridge, which felt most unstable. I used to avoid one in
particular. I also forgot to mention, which is most important, that the
beginning of my time on the bridge was when I was about seven (1938).
The last time I would have walked over it was in 1952 when my husband to
be and I used to go to his sister and her husband in their flat in
Berwick Avenue over the
other side. We used to have chips on a Friday night for our supper! When
I read my brother's autobiography it reminded me that my parents didn't
know the half of it when they constantly told us we weren't to go near
the canal when we were younger. He once fell in after throwing stones
into an old saucepan. The stones kept flying out when they hit the
bottom of the saucepan, and in leaning over a bit too far, he went head
first into the canal. Although he couldn't swim, he managed to clamber
out to the side to a high concrete ledge, and got out a lot quicker than
he went in. Then he had to dry his clothes on the park fence because if
he'd gone home all wet, he would have got a good hiding from my father!
Happy days! ... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Jun-2013
Pauline...your
wonderful...words...need ..to go with your brothers.......yes sketches
spikes areas.....and broadway shops......old tudor school
interiors........other areas..etc......feel sure if your brother had
been of now computers flickr photos etc......he would have loved draw
sketches for us........I hope do some..of my ....interior
homes.memories..etc....if shops etc...later on...if huge chunk
of free time...hope to.....sketches because we never had
camera...capture all.........tv..tonight..celebrity family trees..all
with workhouse person........I have weedon at Hillingdon wkhouse on
census..........today channel 19...shops through decades..so well
done..interesting.......grocer
..ironmonger..baker..butcher..........freeview........yes zeta ron...gt
memories waterfall...swamp..cow etc...will try and read google...find
out more ..of waters maps show.........feeder from...Ruislip
lido....came into Berwick ashford houses ...under...roads........into
brookside yeading brook areas...yeading brook....swelled....it
ran..along side canal...up to hayes bridge uxb rd...where west down a
bit feeder of yr 1800..went in but filled in...it was not
needed..........tony myself walked 2012.....west side
spikes.....Hillingdon ramblers footpath now..trail........along to was
cows..onne pillbox left....along west
side...canal..north...field...muddy..bit of path..in shrubs...but muddy
swampy.....pond .lays left of pond..part of old dug out
brickmsaking.........then...inlets..became now modern..marina.....side
..curved bridge..over the entrance inlet......now wooden.....then
continue north..on west side.....across the canal..1894 2013..curve high
.bridge horses used to go across to tow path .east side.....then stroll
tow path north to Ruislip rd...was taylor
Woodrow.officeblock.....now...taylor wimpey ..built..modern marina
flats......and civil engineer pub still open.........wish we had your
david gt art skills.....libraries need to have verbal.....and written
and sketches..paintings photos.maps.pictures..taperecordings..treasured
items.kept to go on display.from their life.of.items.they still
have......gunnesbury museum is good...........otherwise.all going to
nothing..quick capture before gone for ever....back to basics...kids
need to know...of ..couple family generations back...to get things in
perspective......live now with the past each enrich each
other.........xxxx..will try study waterfall swamp.let you
know.......etc
... more >>
- Re: 24th May
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Jun-2013
meant to say...gt
daredevil...stretch kids...just be .so careful..as well......colin...has
gt collection..of decades newspapers
..southall...canal...etc......coroners...etc....loads...sadness.....accidents
etc.........rats poo wee..paddling..can get..infections thames
also.....Ruislip lido also.......wonderful..modern..pools today..and
rubber floor playground gt play items........roads are the most
carnage.cars.etc................antibiotics now..that terrible chest
..bike..yes..remember..you said......nail...must have ..known lots of
that age 12..born 1916 nov...his 1930s 40s yrs.....spikes etc........yes
country side growth wonderful...wild flowers neuts etc...tony had
...Hounslow heath next door to him..through
fence.............danger..stretch boundaries..all kids
need..learn..grow..into...balanced person.........gt tv..7
pm..yesterday..bbc1 ..one show............street closed 2 hrs every
sunday from traffic...all kids came .out crowds of them..learnt team
work tolerate...friends..games..hop scotch....shout enjoy..let off
steam........worked 32 yrs with young
people...ha..........so...realise.........lovely to see kids on tv.last
night..making up their own fun.......in the middle of the
street....norman ave...photo..award given..to..man lived
there...saved..of fire....got plaque award..from..council......lived
there saved those at number11..........nearby,hse to him...gt
hero...nice family..save his photo and award in glass
frame............as you ..near norman ave.pauline..but after 1952 ... more >>
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Tudor Road
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by dennis legge (Member 10281999) on 18-May-2013
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Does anyone remember a Club that was held in Tudor Road School in the
Evening once a week,I believe the Man who ran it was a Mr Prentice.
- Re: Tudor Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-May-2013
back in pages..jan 2011...says how gd tudor rd club.was......tues thurs evenings..perhaps fri
- Re: Tudor Road
by Chris (Member 10220786) on 18-May-2013
I remember TUDOR RD YOUTH CLUB -
days of innocence - fun and games. We used to take our own records and
dance, play table tennis, cards etc. My memory is from late 50's. MR
FALLON was the Club Leader, such a lovely man. Chris
- Re: Tudor Road
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 18-May-2013
This reminds me of the Pioneer
Club, which used to meet at Dormers Wells School. It was started in the
earky 1940's by people from Holy Trinity Church. We used to play
billiards and table tennis-there was also Judo sessions. I think there
as something on this site some years ago.
- Re: Tudor Road
by Lynette Ware (Member 10283192) on 18-May-2013
went to the club at Dormers Wells also the New Youth Centre across from Southall Park. Made coffee with Cathy good times
- Re: Tudor Road
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 19-May-2013
In my time refreshments were served by two red-headed sisters-can't remember their names.
- Re: Tudor Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 19-May-2013
blue plaque today teddington
studios by river tv,,,went once..gt audience show...huge crowd
celebrities there wives..eric ernie.....bbc tv..gone to salford now
sadly......in google...dave slater furn shop southall..pages good
read....life..bbc war site....28 sept 1940 north rd sch..a bomb closed
6wks.......etc..good read......marshall blue plaque this yr music party
shop 1962 high st..guitar...amps.....
- Re: Tudor Road
by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 19-May-2013
Yes Lynette I remember the youth
centre across from Southall Park. It was very modern & had great
facilities and a very good snooker table although the best snooker
facilities in my opinion were at the Labour Club where my Dad would
sometimes take me on a Sunday morning. I also remember the youth club at
Kings Hall this would all be about 1963-1966.
- Re: Tudor Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 19-May-2013
kings hall closed jan 2013...methodists to aford structure.old...not known yet what will happen.....
- Re: Tudor Road
by Lynette Ware (Member 10283192) on 19-May-2013
Yes, it was around that time. I know I went there most of 1965. Lots of happy memories.
- Re: Tudor Road
by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 20-May-2013
Which school did you go to
Lynette? Just trying to see if we had any friends in common. The guys I
used to go the Youth Centre with were the Edwards boys, Colin. Jeff
& Derek; Jeff Fair, Bill Mansfield & John Masters (Jonte)and we
all of us hung around the Bowl as well.
- Re: Tudor Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-May-2013
dormers..my class...she will get back to you..incase she ..is not able at the moment....canada......
- Re: Tudor Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-May-2013
keith pauline..everybody..gt
ytube.....in google.type.....canals in britain 50s..by huntley film
archive..................and there is .1930s grand union also...and
potteries canal..also..........archive film 5749...........lovely so
much there.....kearley southall brent rd was our last coal
run..close..the ole jam ole......films ingoogle...thy do reminisce
trips..........my aunt supervisor 1940s..there she loved it and mates..nan..was jam..making southall..1914/8..... ... more >>
- Re: Tudor Road
by Lynette Ware (Member 10283192) on 20-May-2013
Yes, Yvonne is right, went to
Dormers. I knew John Masters, he moved to Darwin Drive and lived next
door to my sister. Don't remember other people
- Re: Tudor Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-May-2013
josie neil..lived
darwin..golflinks estate..best wishes lynn..my cousin had gt visit.his
son getsmarried mountains..with family next week....golflinks est on
council list today..due to be refurbished...tower blocks etc
- Re: Tudor Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-May-2013
southall films..ytube....in
google,,,,,ealing hospital to gurdwara southall broadway......top front
of bus..iron bridge s park........there.the other is walking
film..northcote ave to southall station..glass door town hall...foods
fashion.shopping....pet clarke wilf pickles.meg jenkins.petwee...gay dog
greyhound track southall 1954........phoenix hse old ofices now flats
southall green...
- Re: Tudor Road
by Lynette Ware (Member 10283192) on 20-May-2013
Glad everyone had a good visit it
is a long time since I have been back. My daughter was living in New
Zealand so visited her instead of going home. What is going to be done
to Golf Links estate? I moved into a Tower block with my dad when the
prefabs came down are they taking them down? My sister moved from Darwin
Drive to Faraday Road, close to the shops, now she is in Lincolnshire
- Re: Tudor Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-May-2013
in google...just..usual type of
ealing council...plans...promised...they say..refurbish havelock
estate.......few places..they plan to refuurbish......but .not
known...exactly when...it says...refurbish golf links...by housing
company....if see more info..during the yr will let you know....in
google..ealing council...they put most there................people have
problems there may yrs..will hope .improve....red
lion.greenford close 2012 nov..flats..white hart by prefabs..rd..flats
now.....chelsea flower show now gt tv..etc...went once..100yrs..royals
visit..harry diana africa garden...australia garden...etc..gt tv.. ... more >>
- Re: Tudor Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-May-2013
little row shops still there..in
dip at wall with green......old peoples home....supermkt there
now......dr cohen...gp on road by prefabs.....primary expanded..nursery
on field at infants.......my aunts inlaws uncle..were in tower
block..age 70s..both passed away in there same week......bunny pk we
went sundays still there...got maze now........cafe icecream...small
zoo...wallabies etc.....lots golf
gets played...mill pond fishing......dormers seniors.2012 new
build..entrance in allenby rd now.......huge 1400 students....sports
centres .swim pool etc.etc..lots land there......allenby pub now heating
shop....... ... more >>
- Re: Tudor Road
by Dilys Boot (Member 10061138) on 20-May-2013
Lynette, We also moved from
Southall to Lincolnshire as did our son and family. It's a much better
way of life. Like it used to be in Southall many years ago.
- Re: Tudor Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-May-2013
BACK....2 days...kept email
them..thanks computer staff there....lyn...back now you asked.....kate
mcewan good book in google..pulse publish 1984.....southall ealing
greenford.......royal hideaway mistresses...george4...edward3..victoria
father...acton..known as fashion spa resort ..laundry
town.........bricks made norwood green robins..1800s ..built buck
palace......umbrella 1st man..buried hanwell
church.......25 walks she did herself the author.....called..ealing
walkabout.book......wish they do one heston...please please.... ... more >>
- Re: Tudor Road
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 22-May-2013
I thought it was gone for good this time.
- Re: Tudor Road
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 22-May-2013
Have you seen the change in our Southallboards now?
Just a long sheet of photos. I don't think they can be sent to individual people now.
- Re: Tudor Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-May-2013
oh..thats not good..nice to let
others....if you send link..they can see whole..page......ctrl c...in
blue...then..put in email..to them...by doing ctrl v......let me
know..can...help more on that.........yes shock to me yesterday...1st
time seen it........not good..like friends reunit......they dont change
things for better...if aint broke dont fix..it....oh dear.....will try
get used to it.....managed
to quickly get all sizes......but not time..look more yet............2
days knowhere out...wrote contant emails to them......best wishes
everybody....still fantastic photos there....rare ones also....etc
... more >>
- Re: Tudor Road
by Lynette Ware (Member 10283192) on 22-May-2013
Thanks for the message back now
don't know anything about phots where do you see them? I'm enjoying
reading about Southall and would like to see some photos
- Re: Tudor Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-May-2013
flickr .southallboard
..in google.....quite few boards come..up....54 boards..3 yrs
collection...all yrs...local..as well........200.items.each
board.......memories...etc......xxx
- Re: Tudor Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-May-2013
just heard......june 10th they
start filming new midwife...sister juliana at chelsea flower
show..perfect roses...wonderful tv..daily....she said..lots men watch
it..such good.1950s..docks..people life.midwives....mic manus died
93..with
pallo..dominion.wrestling..tv..weekly....australia..won..rhs..gt prize
at chelsea..queen liked..frogs..he recorded in his oz..garden...great
display...with..All.others..like every yr..went once and also hampt ct......blue bells out now..roses in bud..happy whitsun to you all........ ... more >>
- Re: Tudor Road
by Lynette Ware (Member 10283192) on 23-May-2013
Love Call the Midwife my daughter
sent for the DVD from England so we could watch the whole show. The
books are great as well. Makes me nostalgic for England!
- Re: Tudor Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-May-2013
did you get link for board
photos.........yes 1957 london docks gt midwife..won...awards...several
series...so popular....they film again june this yr....so very
good...men like it also.........happy whitsun.60 yrs queen abbey..new
painting of her in there 11ft by 9ft.....cosmati famous mosaic floor
restored there at crowning.......
- Re: Tudor Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-May-2013
fortunate........keith......4
photos of 4 martin graves..havelock...stones names wives etc.......not
seen in google etc....so very nice.....southall famous
pottery.....rected by tyw.southall loc hist soc 1995.st john ceremony
2006
- Re: Tudor Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-May-2013
keith....from the ealing
dept....she was there at st john ceremony..2006...local history society
organised payed for granite stones..in by main gate..ahead
left..near...4 near..granite dome shape...numbers..on.map at
gate....87d....110f....110g..109m.....54...64...55..and main robert
wallace was 8o yrs old......1923.................says sculptor on stne
with wife name....left probate in google.....free
ancestry index there...............potters.famous of southall...1883
havelock council cemetery by new st john church..closed for no more
burials .now..use hortus now.........
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rare 1927 colour cine film of London
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by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 15-May-2013
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Just been sent this - never seen it before
http://www.wimp.com/rarelondon/
- Re: rare 1927 colour cine film of London
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-May-2013
thats funny...tony showed me that
at weekend.....yes good 1927.......just put it in google....comes up
ok....mike dennis pauline everybody........
- Re: rare 1927 colour cine film of London
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 15-May-2013
Thanks for that Keith. It was lovely to watch.
- Re: rare 1927 colour cine film of London
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-May-2013
today fly past 70yrs derwent
water...we accidently found it and pub..on our way across pennine chain
yrs ago........2 spits lancaster bomber 2 tornados..lunchtime today..tv
programme thurs night today......gibson 24..got victoria cross crews
20yrs olds......
- Re: rare 1927 colour cine film of London
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 16-May-2013
Gibson killed Holland 1944 in Mosquito crash
- Re: rare 1927 colour cine film of London
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-May-2013
ah ..yes..and his poor little
black dog...fly past lunchtime today.....channels freeview.80..and
82....the live ..tv news....or sky news on.computer live......gratitude
always..to all......
- Re: rare 1927 colour cine film of London
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-May-2013
midday took off scampton lincs..1
pm dam.derwnt water sky news tv..practiced,,was 19 aircraft..low feet
try..hour service tonight,,,,
- Re: rare 1927 colour cine film of London
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 16-May-2013
Yes Gibsons dog Nigger nobody seems to know where his grave is anymore.
- Re: rare 1927 colour cine film of London
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-May-2013
yes dog.......beauty of film
tv..today.......peak district holiday we loved...blue john
caves..bakewll etc etc..chatsworth..wonderful.....lancaster spit..look
gt......spits took photos after..germans ..nazi..all
directions..help..break down...6 bad yrs war..all efforts...end at
last...derwent weather looks lovely today...fly....service tonight...
- Re: rare 1927 colour cine film of London
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 16-May-2013
Just watched opp sundown from Scampton with Dan Snow very moving.
- Re: rare 1927 colour cine film of London
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-May-2013
hour was one bbc best
programmes...snow....the raf .event perfect...so well
done....amaze...vets etc.....landed the 5....band.......credit to
them...such excellent programme........our chance to be
there.....gt......sounds..cameras...in planes...all so gd........
- Re: rare 1927 colour cine film of London
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 16-May-2013
70yrs ago now at 9-40 the Lacasters were taking of from Scampton.
- Re: rare 1927 colour cine film of London
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 16-May-2013
Sorry 9-50
- Re: rare 1927 colour cine film of London
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-May-2013
tonight bbc 2 tv..11.20pm....1943 the dams
- Re: rare 1927 colour cine film of London
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 17-May-2013
our midday today
channel..19..tv.find past......barnes wallace gt grandaughter...1942
test tanks teddington...national physical lab..sign offic secret to be
employed..tony went from grammar...scientists told him..of bounce
bomb..tank tests the spin..there.....plaque there...to
say.......etc.....as tv says today......1943 raid..etc......so much of
interest........
- Re: rare 1927 colour cine film of London
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 17-May-2013
4 mths testing at
teddington...npl....by bushy pk where tony worked......back spin..test
tanks there..1942...before 1943 dams....tonight...9pm..14 channel
freeview more 4..2hrs.....one show chris evans radio 2...lincs
today...there....chelsea be gt on.tv..lovely went once and also hampt ct
flower show gt....tv..also....wow
- Re: rare 1927 colour cine film of London
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 18-May-2013
Just had a very apt moment the BBMF. Lancaster flew straight over my flat at about 300ft.
- Re: rare 1927 colour cine film of London
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-May-2013
gt....the canadian..gd tv..last
night....got bounce bomb to work on..made dam..canada lake.....tv today
music the film..3.30 channel 5.music so gd.....6pm..johnnie johnson.his 2
nails..triangle wood hole in...gt with spotlight idea....line up on
towers of dam......tv.today....channel 5....lancastr film..this week
derwent spits..must keep...such camera work.....sounds engines etc
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