The LCS by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 3-Dec-2013
I passed a vehicle the other day tht just had the number plate "LCS" and it immediately made me think of the to Co-op. What are peoples memories of the Co-op? I believe they even had a LCS Funeral division.   
  • Re: The LCS by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 3-Dec-2013
    I remember having to wait for ages to be served in the store in Southall Broadway when my mother gave me a list of items she wanted. Lots of things had to be weighed in different coloured bags, and then it had to be all added up. Sometimes we would be given some broken biscuits from a tub in the shop. There was always a very long queue at the back of the shop when it was dividend day. What a long ... more >>

  • Re: The LCS by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 3-Dec-2013
    My mothers co-op number was 270883. During WW2 we were registered with co-op butchers for our meat ration.(We were registerd with Williams,South Road, for groceries.

  • Re: The LCS by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 3-Dec-2013
    Yes I'd forgotten the tokens, very tinny they were and would probably blow away with a strong wind, very light metal.

  • Re: The LCS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Dec-2013
    and Williams tokens also metal shape..think branch also hanwell high st

  • Re: The LCS by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 4-Dec-2013
    Michael, whereabouts was the Co-op Butcher? I can't place it for the life of me.

  • Re: The LCS by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 4-Dec-2013
    Pauline, Co-op butchers were on the same side as the grocers, but further up the street in the Hayes direction.

  • Re: The LCS by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 4-Dec-2013
    I had an e-mail from my niece telling me that she was thinking about me when she was hanging her cotton sheets on the line I bought for her wedding 39 years ago. She said they were wearing a bit thin now, but said "How's that for quality". I bought them from the Co-op. They were the heavy cotton ones!

  • Re: The LCS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Dec-2013
    that's coincidence..my aunt bought us 2 blankets wedding..several yrs now deteriorated badly but lasted so long..we bought nice new one .now but wow cost now ha..

  • Re: The LCS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Dec-2013
    just done our 2 cinemas..ealing broadway abc forum.supposed to be new one there this yr..why was lido one called lido..kids green swings there but 1928 new built says lido cinema photo here.west ealing junction uxbridge rd....http://www.ealingtoday.co.uk/default.asp?section=info&page=ealido001.htm

  • Re: The LCS by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 4-Dec-2013
    Talking about quality, my 88 year old Mum still uses blankets that she got during the war from my Uncle Johnnie who was in the Canadaian Navy and was in UK on leave. The blankets have 'US Navy' still printed on them.

  • Re: The LCS by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 5-Dec-2013
    I see I've spelt Canadian wrongly sorry.

  • Re: The LCS by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 5-Dec-2013
    Fred the blankets your mum still has are collectors items now.

  • Re: The LCS by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 5-Dec-2013
    I suppose they are Dennis. The family treasures them anyway.

  • Re: The LCS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 5-Dec-2013
    recent time....new oak lock gates etc put in at bentford lock..huge vehicles gt flickr photos in google....http://www.flickr.com/photos/viktor_web_studios/sets/72157626942350881/show/

  • Re: The LCS by Zeta Stanley (Member 10256988) on 7-Dec-2013
    I remember the co-op in Southall when I had my first trip home in 1970, I told Mum I remembered her co-op number 245598 and she said they don't used them anymore, I was so disappointed thinking how clever I was to remember it, also I used to go to the co-op butcher on a Saturday to collect the roast for Sunday's dinner and it used to cost around 13 shillings and sometimes that included sausages.

  • Re: The LCS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Dec-2013
    that would have been long flight 1970...I left heathrow 1970 January..new York.los angeles..Fiji..Sydney..my cousin.went 1958 so visited for month..went Canberra Melbourne....came home Darwin.hong kong Thailand to London..did circle ticket..long27 hrs and storm at Fiji so we stopped stayed over night 24 hrs los angeles because the pilot had not landed at Fiji before....whole thing of loose day da... more >>

  • Re: The LCS by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 7-Dec-2013
    Zeta-when I used to pick up our week-end joint and other items during WW2, the cost was~2/6d

  • Re: The LCS by Zeta Stanley (Member 10256988) on 7-Dec-2013
    Michael you wouldn't get a sausage for that price now, I would have been getting the meat around 1954-55, I remember it was the time when coffee shops were just coming into vogue and I would walk back towards a shop near, I think it was Saxton Rd, not sure of that now, and meet my friends for a coffee.

  • Re: The LCS by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Dec-2013
    zeta.best wishes...saxon rd is along there..parade of shops etc..northcote ave broadway to saxon rd..Viking rd.lancaster rd.tudor rd ...ha...we had all the history..dane rd..norman ave..all together there..ha..on the north side of the broadway..

  • Re: The LCS by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 8-Dec-2013
    From Northcote Avenue there was a parade of shops to Saxon Road, big space of hoardings and empty ground, then Dane road, Lancaster Road, next to Tudor Road. Nearly at the bottom of Dane Road, Norman Avenue was to the right, and Viking Road led off Norman Avenue to Spikes Bridge Road. Norman Avenue also led into Northcote Avenue.

  • Re: The LCS by Dilys Boot (Member 10061138) on 8-Dec-2013
    I remember a coffee shop along the Broadway. Around 1959-60. Had a jukebox.

  • Re: The LCS by Chris (Member 10220786) on 8-Dec-2013
    Dilys could that Coffee Shop late 50's have been THE BRISTOL CAFE opposite Parker's Bakers, near to Rogers sweet shop? Chris x

  • Re: The LCS by Zeta Stanley (Member 10256988) on 9-Dec-2013
    Thanks for that folks, I know the coffee shop it was just buzzing with people whoever owned it must have been in their glory, something new in Southall.

  • Re: The LCS by Bob Burnard (Member 10252769) on 14-Jan-2014
    What was the name of the coffee bar, opposite the Odeon cinema? Used to serve coffee in Pyrex cups

 
Southall by dennis legge (Member 10281999) on 29-Oct-2013
Does anybody remember a Shop in Southall called Galham Electrics,I believe the Name was made up from the 2 Partners Mr Gale and My Hamley or Hamlyn.
I was working there in 1949 as an Electricians Mate. If I remember rightly the Shop was between the Odeon Cinema and South Road.
  
  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Oct-2013
    1949....along by the odeon..cinema..so west side of south road.....yes there were several shops along...

  • Re: Southall by Carol (Member 10254505) on 29-Oct-2013
    Does anybody remember Le Grand Sutcliffe and Gel, The Green, Southall?

  • Re: Southall by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 29-Oct-2013
    I rember Le Grand Sutcliffe well-knew someone who worked there.

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Oct-2013
    maypole margarine.quaker oats...kearley ticklers jams biscuits..crown cork.scott emulsion

  • Re: Southall by Carol (Member 10254505) on 29-Oct-2013
    My dad and 3 of his brothers worked there. I did too for a short while in about 1963. I have a booklet from 1960 with quite a few pictures and bits and pieces about employees.

  • Re: Southall by Carol (Member 10254505) on 29-Oct-2013
    They did well boring for water in this country and abroad.

  • Re: Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 29-Oct-2013
    I think the well boring was done by soil samplers, Trevor Bayllis the clockwork radio man worked for them, Le grand Sutcliffe was a foundry in the same yard, i worked just over the wall at P.W.Dilloways.

  • Re: Southall by Carol (Member 10254505) on 29-Oct-2013
    Denis, my dad was a Foreman Driller, the same as two of his brothers, the other brother was Works Maintenance Foreman in the foundry. They are all in the booklet I mentioned and all worked for Le Grands. When I worked there I typed up the well boring reports. I think Len Doig was in charge of this section.

  • Re: Southall by Carol (Member 10254505) on 29-Oct-2013
    I didn't know Trevor Bayliss worked there.

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Oct-2013
    born 1942..chris pearson worked there carol

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Oct-2013
    nice in google ..carol..
    http://www.gracesguide.co.uk/Le_Grand,_Sutcliffe_and_Gell

    baylis born 1937 went to dormers..1991 invented windup.clock radio..used in Africa..worked Sutcliffe..soil mechanics lab assistant.

  • Re: Southall by Carol (Member 10254505) on 29-Oct-2013
    Re Chris Pearson - In my book there is this:- "Welcome to 16 year old Christopher Pearson, formerly of Gunnersbury Grammar School, as our new Junior Laboratory Assistant. Interests: swimming an all this mechanial".

  • Re: Southall by Carol (Member 10254505) on 29-Oct-2013
    Just been reading about Chris Pearson. Learn something every day. They had some clever people working at Le Grand Sutcliffe & Gel didn't they?...................

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Oct-2013
    glad in book

  • Re: Southall by Carol (Member 10254505) on 29-Oct-2013
    Just coincidence that he happened to be in the issue of the book that I happen to have. Picture in it of the Soil Mechanics Laboratory. Pictures of people just got married, get well soon messages and of people who worked there at the time. Also obituary of my uncle who had just died in November that year, spotlights on certain people etc.

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Oct-2013
    lovely..I worked beechams pharmaceuticals .and products gt west rd...good firm..all given day long induction...films..etc tour ..on the 1st day..

  • Re: Southall by Carol (Member 10254505) on 1-Nov-2013
    Is the Working Mans Club still in Southall?

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Nov-2013
    yes

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Nov-2013
    in google...Featherstone rd...ub2 5al.............tel 07 525 620628....on facebook also group.................also..brit legion..nov 11 southall cenotaph

  • Re: Southall by Carol (Member 10254505) on 1-Nov-2013
    Not quite how I remember surroundings when I was a kid and used to go there. Long time ago.

  • Re: Southall by Carol (Member 10254505) on 1-Nov-2013
    Ooooh on Facebook - Ladies Night, Race Night, Poker Night - not quite the same as I remember it - more like wheeltappers and shunters, barn dance, gay gordons etc.

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Nov-2013
    street view is good google..buildings etc....when did you last see the area....xx

  • Re: Southall by Carol (Member 10254505) on 1-Nov-2013
    Only driven Lady Margaret Road through to Western Road, to cemeteries, couple of years ago, visiting aunt in Marlborough Road. Seem to remember walking from Working Mens Club to a shop that had clay pipes in window??

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Nov-2013
    yes Havelock and hortus.....wide.merrick rd new..takes lot of traffic off from south end of railbridge now.goes east round to norwood green...........one old pipe shop..was up by .palace cinema butlers corner top north of south rd on west side...big shop window up there..pipes etc..

  • Re: Southall by Carol (Member 10254505) on 1-Nov-2013
    Wasn't as far away as Palace, seem to remember it was just round corner from club. Maybe memory playing tricks.

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Nov-2013
    clay pipes yrs ago...yes down southall green way....what yr

  • Re: Southall by Carol (Member 10254505) on 1-Nov-2013
    Would have been about 1952-55 ish

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Nov-2013
    ah...when my aunt got married at holy trinity.......1953 kates gran got married there too auguse reception at hambro pub hayes bridge lived bankside there and the other side lived Clarence st Dudley rd....of kates mum carole.southall....1954 all rationing ended

  • Re: Southall by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 1-Nov-2013
    Carol - I remember the Working Men's Club. My friend Mauvine and I used to go there around 1946, when we were both 15. It was the first place we went to for dancing. When we went there, there were a lot of nice Welsh boys there, a little bit older than us, but we always looked older with our make up on. We always had a good laugh with them while they were enjoying their beer! They were staying at ... more >>

  • Re: Southall by Carol (Member 10254505) on 1-Nov-2013
    I used to go there with my mum and dad. Whole family used to go, sat at same table all the time. Us kids used to skate up and down the hall when the chalk was put down for dancing, then told to get off when dancing began. Cousin and I used to go into where the snooker tables were and played piano (well tried to play). She taught me to play chopsticks very badly. Remember being told there was ... more >>

  • Re: Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 1-Nov-2013
    My G/dad was the accountant at Featherstone Road workingmens club in the 1940/50 until 1960.

  • Re: Southall by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 1-Nov-2013
    I think the shop selling clay pipes was in the parade to the right of the Dominion, there was a shop there that I was a I seem to remember was a tobacconists. i only remember it because in the early 1960's they also sold plastic model kits of American cars, some of which I still have in my loft somewhere.

  • Re: Southall by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 1-Nov-2013
    That should have said "to the left of the Dominion".

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Nov-2013
    that's gt ..left of dominion..good memories both of you

  • Re: Southall by Bill Henley (Member 10272156) on 2-Nov-2013
    Ealing library have the 1915 roll of honour but interestingly it does not have my grandfather's name although he was at the same time listed in the roll of honour in the gazette newspaper. It does have photographs and details of a couple of my grandfather's mates who he mentions in his diary as being killed. The 1915 editions of the gazette also has photographs and obituaries of soldiers mentioned... more >>

  • Re: Southall by Bob Burnard (Member 10252769) on 2-Nov-2013
    Remember, the lady that used to serve in the clay pipe shop,can see her now, believe she was the owner.always immaculate in her dress, very aloof, and proper, and i believe her husband.

  • Re: Southall by thompson (Member 10241148) on 2-Nov-2013
    Can anybody remember Shackelton Hall in Greenford Ave? As a kid I can recollect them supplying meals at lunchtime just after the war. Was it some form of community centre?

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Nov-2013
    yes mr Thompson.....after the war 50s..lots wedding receptions there...we had 3...gt parties..evenings...............mike..used the hall at war meals..there.....

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Nov-2013
    gt info...bill.......roll honour ealing library for marg factory 1st war....and memorial old st john..hall...if it is just stone cross as often was may not be names on it...but photos of the 1st 2nd wars ..polished wood boards names...in new st john..church ave...in google.....old st john king st closed many yrs was built back in 1837.became too small.....gdad of northhyde..and his brothers .nephe... more >>

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Nov-2013
    bill....return 1919...images in ancestry of bapers 1st war...1919.ending...gives info of people..where demob etc..1919 1918 info.at the .mens.papers...60%records..destroyed war bomb..fire..or singed..many there 40%in ancestry military section images.pages.

  • Re: Southall by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 2-Nov-2013
    I remember Shackelton Hall well. Originally it was a library until the new one opened in Jubilee Gardens. During WW2 it was one of the so-called British Restaurant-cheap lunches-I had food there a few times during the war

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Nov-2013
    thanks mike library 1930s..1937 deco fine building of jubille built...couple yr ago demolished modern glass one and health centre next to it opened...not long ago.got built

  • Re: Southall by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 2-Nov-2013
    I also had a few meals during the war at Shackleton Hall when we were all split up as a family when my mum was ill. I couldn't remember where it was that I went until I asked on Southall Knowhere some time ago!

  • Re: Southall by Carol (Member 10254505) on 2-Nov-2013
    Does anybody remember the Greenford Hotel just by the Iron Bridge?

  • Re: Southall by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 2-Nov-2013
    Yes, of course I remember it. It was a landmark by the side of the Iron Bridge for years when we were kids. I believe it then changed to McGinty's a stripper pub, and then the Pig & Whistle pub before finally becoming McDonalds. I didn't ever go into any of them though.

  • Re: Southall by Carol (Member 10254505) on 2-Nov-2013
    My uncle owned Greenford Hotel at one time. Used to go there with mum and dad, remember the sing-songs (all the old fashioned songs). Also went there later on to dances and groups (remember they wouldn't have The Who cos they were too loud). Also used to dance to The Who at The Oldfield along the Greenford Road. Burtons in Uxbridge - Brian Poole and the Tremeloes amongst others. Groups at Whit... more >>

  • Re: Southall by Lynette Ware (Member 10283192) on 2-Nov-2013
    I used to go to Southall community centre too. Also the Oldfied and Burtons. Never did go to the Greenford Hotel. Saw the Who at community centre, a good evening out and did not cost a lot.

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Nov-2013
    lynne grenford hotel had some changes....was disco..etc...now masdonald hamburgers....commun centre went to se our class mate mariyln crank..ballet since 3yrs old..age 14 danced copelia there...was good...oldfield pub Greenford.closed gone now..yes the who etc there..next along was black horse pub at canal bridge......burtons Greenford high st...had bingo above also...Granada ciema Greenford had p... more >>

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Nov-2013
    white hart southall high st..Lonnie donegan etc...then .jazz there...now demolished.

  • Re: Southall by thompson (Member 10241148) on 2-Nov-2013
    Went to a friend's wedding in Hounslow in the early 1960's and the Who were the band, but they at that time were using another name.

    Always remember that the neighbours near the church hall where the reception was held, called the police as even then their music was loud.

    I had a cousin who was taught to play the drums by Jim Marshall, Keith Moon was often in his Hanwell shop.

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Nov-2013
    jim..they had big event music etc for him last yr hanwell...anniversary yr...blue plaque put on wall there for him..fame...

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Nov-2013
    jim..they had big event music etc for him last yr hanwell...anniversary yr...blue plaque put on wall there for him..fame...

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Nov-2013
    the who..1st name was the detours......http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Who
    double above
    entry..knowhere sometimes or my old computer.

  • Re: Southall by Carol (Member 10254505) on 2-Nov-2013
    Granada Greenford - saw Adam Faith and Screaming Lord Sutch. Was at the Oldfield the night the Who announced they were changing their name. Tom Jones also sang there. Community Centre - Johnny Kidd and the Pirates (shaking all over), Shane Fenton (before he became Alvin Stardust), Jet Harris & Tony Mehan, Bee Bumble and the Stingers (who?.) Sure there were others. Good nights, lifetime ago.

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Nov-2013
    yes good ones carol..great west Middlesex

  • Re: Southall by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 2-Nov-2013
    Good old Granada, in 1963 or 64 I saw the Stones there with the Hollies, Dave Berry, And Goldie and the Gingerbreads, (all girl American group). Couldn't hear a thing when's the Stones came on due to all the school girls screaming.

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Nov-2013
    and stones today..ha...with some of the others too

  • Re: Southall by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 3-Nov-2013
    Yes I remember The Who at Community Centre and even though I enjoyed it very much I remember my ears were ringing as I walked towards the station to get the 105 home. I also remember very well Burtons in Uxbridge and Cliff Bennett & The Rebel Rousers, Long John Baldry, Julie Driscoll & Rod "The Mod" Stewart as The Steam Packet, Georgie Fame, Alan Price plus also remember The Blue Moon Club in Haye... more >>

  • Re: Southall by Lynette Ware (Member 10283192) on 3-Nov-2013
    Saw the Stones at the Granada then too. I might have been one of screaming girls.

  • Re: Southall by thompson (Member 10241148) on 3-Nov-2013
    Jet Harris moved to Bembridge on the Isle of Wight several years ago and lived here until his death.

    Our paths crossed a few times at the Hospital, shopping and at his concerts on the Island.

    I work with his first wife Carol's uncle Danny at Clifford's of Heston , the bakers. I never knew that Jet (Terry) also had connections with Clarence St.

  • Re: Southall by Carol (Member 10254505) on 3-Nov-2013
    What was the connection to Clarence Street?

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Nov-2013
    yes..because so many people lived Clarence st over yrs..in out of those terraced houses long street..big families ..working locally.so many yrs..and today..double glazed .but Clarence st..ha

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Nov-2013
    BILL ..HAVE PUT YOUR REPLY to your post end of aec item...below....1915 roll honour.etc

  • Re: Southall by Chris (Member 10220786) on 3-Nov-2013
    THOMPSON ...my friend from the late 50's early 60's lived in Clarence street and I recall her saying Jet Harris was related. Her name was Gloria Chandler...did you know her? Are you still in touch. I would like to catch up with her again after all these years Chris x

  • Re: Southall by penny (Member 10265839) on 4-Nov-2013
    Does anyone have info on Osterley Jazz Club? We regularly used to go there on Friday nights but I can't remember exactly where it was. All I can remember is that we were packed in like sardines and you couldn't see across the room for a thick blanket of cigarette smoke. A friend from Durley Road used to walk round to me in Wentworth Road and from there we walked to Osterley.
    I also remember se... more >>

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Nov-2013
    denis.....home guard ministry defence .records..in google....to next

    kin near kin form to apply record.
    https://www.gov.uk/requests-for-personal-data-and-service-records#service-records-of-deceased-service-personnel

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Nov-2013
    penny.....yes dominion demolished 1980s.art centre now....jazz in Osterley sports area place...tentlowlane south side..field estate open area of Osterley estate there..east end..up towards 3 bridges..windmill lane...lots talk of cramped smoke of it..yrs ago....so..east off from..norwood green..

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Nov-2013
    denis....sword beach etc dday 9.15 daily series ..rememberance week...bbc 1...daily..items on..now this week

  • Re: Southall by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 4-Nov-2013
    Hi Penny I,m sure the Osterly Jazz club was held at Osterly Rugby Club in Tentelow lane, which was behind the AEC factory.

  • Re: Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 4-Nov-2013
    Thank you Yvonne will have a look.

  • Re: Southall by Jean Kirby (Member 10268700) on 4-Nov-2013
    Does anyone remember the Botwell Club at Hayes I used to go there with my husband in the early 60's we saw the Rolling Stones there just as they were about to hit the big time. Also the Dominion Pop Concerts whilst still at school The Shadows,Adam Faith and Billy Fury to mention a few also all the mentioned stars at the Community Centre and Burtons at Uxbridge with my friend Carol Dean who moved ... more >>

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Nov-2013
    got a photo of burtons uxbridge looks like it is south side..just west of the famous pillared..covered..ancient mkt uxbridge high st..1960 still the trolley bus going through .but now modern times bypass around the town..much of the high st is pedestrian precinct..very atractive uxbridge today.though..60s shadows etc etc and the hit parade.4pm.sunday afternoons on the radio top 10.top 20.
    to tape... more >>

  • Re: Southall by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 4-Nov-2013
    I used to go to OJC too, and recently tried to research it. I am amazed how little info there is to be found. I remember we either went by a special grey old London bus from Osterley station, or walked over the three bridges then a few hundred yards down Tentelow Lane to where it was by the side of the rugby club. I am perplexed that it seems to have disappeared into oblivion and few memorie... more >>

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Nov-2013
    in google..now Osterley sports social club.there called..ub2 4lw..tentlow south side lane..shows on their site street view as well...tel.0208574.3774...if people took their own photos at the time..seem not have put online..the libraries Hounslow and ealing.uxbridge...might have photos....but they do not put on line...

  • Re: Southall by penny (Member 10265839) on 5-Nov-2013
    Hello Jean,
    You mentioned Carol Dean who I remember from junior school and that made me think of Carole Tolmie and Ann Birch. Do you know where any of them are now?
    Penny

  • Re: Southall by Jean Kirby (Member 10268700) on 5-Nov-2013
    Hi Penny
    It's good to hear from you again, I too remember Carole Tolmie and Ann Birch but I am afraid that I don't know the whereabouts of any of them except for Linda Harvey, she is in touch with Alan Woodley who now lives in the Reading area. I lost contact with Carol Dean many years ago when I married and moved away. There were so many children that we went to school with I wonder what becam... more >>

  • Re: Southall by Ronald Cox (Member 10259196) on 5-Nov-2013
    Jean did any of the Kirby boys go to Dormers in the 1943-47 years?
    Ron

  • Re: Southall by Jean Kirby (Member 10268700) on 5-Nov-2013
    Unfortunately I am unable to answer the question that you are asking Ron, my husband lived in Hayes and attended school there, the only other Kirby's that I know were Mark and Stephen Kirby who were sons of a teacher at Western Road Girls School. Mark was the older one and Stephen was in the same class as Penny and I at Western Road Primary which would have been 1951 - 1958. I hope that this may be of use to you.

  • Re: Southall by penny (Member 10265839) on 6-Nov-2013
    Hello again Jean,
    Yes, I remember all those you mentioned. It seems sad that we all went our different ways without any more contact. Also from Western Road Primary were Jimmie Gentsch, Paul Benson, Deirdre Grave, Barrie Mead, Danny le Hec and Frank Chidley. I'll put my thinking cap on to see if I can remember any more.
    Best wishes
    Penny

  • Re: Southall by penny (Member 10265839) on 6-Nov-2013
    I should have said Deirdre Graves.

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Nov-2013
    my family of northhyde..knew the senior chidley family of there the common southall..years 1900s .to 1928..then we met the 3 sisters again 1966 1970 yrs local..great friends of my aunt..there was a brother or 2 also..

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Nov-2013
    barry chidley photo genes reunited.dormers football school team .age 13ish..1957/8....his mum worked at crown cork southall green office..........

  • Re: Southall by Jean Kirby (Member 10268700) on 6-Nov-2013
    I worked at the Crown Cork in the accounts department with Emmie Chidley who was the mother of Barrie and Brenda she was a lovely lady and she was like the Mother figure to us young girls who worked in the accounts with her.
    They moved to the Southampton area in the late 1960's also her husband George worked at Crown Cork in the factory.

    Penny I remember all those children also just rememb... more >>

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Nov-2013
    it was thegood site..friends reunited over 10 yrs...but last couple yrs..changed so hard to use..wrote 7 times to complain to them..one reply they said.thought people might want......no.not true.disaster now..everybody has complained...also.large number people put themselves on..yr 2000..many most have gone off site...now..was a craze but now they loose interest loyalty.just a fad........private e... more >>

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Nov-2013
    denis..keith..the site is good brooklands bus museum...............http://www.londonbusmuseum.com/

  • Re: Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 6-Nov-2013
    Thanks Yvonne have a look, the site you gave me the other day for service records been on it before, its £30 for a search Home Guard records very very sketchy or nothing atall they advise not to try as £30 non returnable but thanks anyway.

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Nov-2013
    £30 is too much..shame...lots photos buses brooklands been looking at today..they always said would expand there.they had room grass for .more items..greenline buses..vehicles to take to out to the plane....9.15 daily am..bbc 1.good series this week.for rememberance..lord mayor show Saturday.was at his goldcoach in museum London last week.they have the London Olympics display torch etc..and spok... more >>

  • Re: Southall by Chris (Member 10220786) on 6-Nov-2013
    JEAN KIRBY....I also worked with Emmie Chidley at Crown cork early 1960's in the STATS dept before she moved upstairs to accounts; I took her job in Stats. A really lovely lady and as you say mothered us all, so kind. I remember George too, he ran the Social Club. I worked with Dave Davison...do you remember him? Also do you remember Greta Edwards, such an elegant lady. I left there in appx ... more >>

  • Re: Southall by penny (Member 10265839) on 6-Nov-2013
    Jean - also Geraldine Keith from Western Road school.
    And from Wentworth Road - Colin Younger, Malcolm Stinton,Lesley Green, Barbara Hancock, Pamela Morgan, Julia and Diane Farraly, Christopher Foulsham, Geoffrey Edwards and Paul Hood.

  • Re: Southall by Ronald Cox (Member 10259196) on 6-Nov-2013
    Thank you Jean. I thought it was worth a go.
    Ron

  • Re: Southall by Jean Kirby (Member 10268700) on 6-Nov-2013
    Chris - I started at Crown Cork in 1963 probably a short while before you left, when I started in the accounts department there was a lady I believe her name was Rosemary although her surname eludes me at the moment, she left and Emmie Chidley took her place. I also remember Mr Hinkes, Mr Gilbert, Mr Salmon the cashier and Mr Lowe the Company Secretary, Ada Evans, Vicky Skuse, Ted Drew, Pam Tilli... more >>

  • Re: Southall by Jean Kirby (Member 10268700) on 6-Nov-2013
    Hi Penny yes I remember most of the children that you mentioned Pamaela Morgan lived next door to you, she also worked with me in the accounts department at Crown Cork until she had her baby, she was very young wasn't she? It was a little boy which I believe she named Simon, did she move to the flats in Convent Way? I think that I heard that she lived there. Also in Wentworth Road was the Coulter... more >>

  • Re: Southall by Jean Kirby (Member 10268700) on 6-Nov-2013
    Hi Penny yes I remember most of the children that you mentioned Pamaela Morgan lived next door to you, she also worked with me in the accounts department at Crown Cork until she had her baby, she was very young wasn't she? It was a little boy which I believe she named Simon, did she move to the flats in Convent Way? I think that I heard that she lived there. Also in Wentworth Road was the Coulter... more >>

  • Re: Southall by Jean Kirby (Member 10268700) on 6-Nov-2013
    Hi Penny yes I remember most of the children that you mentioned Pamaela Morgan lived next door to you, she also worked with me in the accounts department at Crown Cork until she had her baby, she was very young wasn't she? It was a little boy which I believe she named Simon, did she move to the flats in Convent Way? I think that I heard that she lived there. Also in Wentworth Road was the Coulter... more >>

  • Re: Southall by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 6-Nov-2013
    Mention of the Crown Cork Company reminds me that when I was in 1846 ATC squadron,(1943-1946) we went to Crown Cork to use their 0.22 rifle range

  • Re: Southall by penny (Member 10265839) on 7-Nov-2013
    Yes, Jean - all those names are coming back to me now. I can vividly remember when Brenda Stevens fell into the canal because we happened to be passing by at the time. Also, I too was fascinated by Mrs Fletcher's garden. I remember she had lots of whiskers!
    Also more from Western Road Primary - Leslie Boulter, Billy Dunn and Michael Harker. I wonder how many more there are that we have forgot... more >>

  • Re: Southall by Janice Johnson (Member 10240407) on 7-Nov-2013
    Does anyone remember where the Salvation Army citadel was? There was a house adjoining which was empty or almost derelict. I used to hang around with a group and being at a loose end or the weather being bad, we sometimes went to the Sunday School services although none of us were Salvationists. Some of the boys in the group used to get into the house through an unsecured window probably to get u... more >>

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Nov-2013
    the cidadel itself .was Adelaide rd....my gdads 2 sisters were officers.living northyde. there..it opened.early yrs....but 2 other salvation army places...down..by hayes bridge south side..broadway..hut sunday school there I went...and mt meads book..talks of another army place about.....they went round northcote pub weekends every weekend yrs...war cry.mag....my aunt brought home...

  • Re: Southall by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 7-Nov-2013
    There was also a Salvation Army building at the top of Hambrough road at the end of the little Post Office and Bakers. I think it was Hambrough road, but Ron Cox will remember it as it was on the opposite side of Saxon road.

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Nov-2013
    seem to remember it as hut shed type hall building south side.at pavement area. on uxbridge rd.south side...up..by past saxon...went there several weeks sunday school..

  • Re: Southall by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 7-Nov-2013
    Yes, thinking about it, when I used to walk or run up Dane road to get my mother's shopping it was opposite Dane road.

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Nov-2013
    yes across from dane..south side..broadway...is hambrough rd..with 2013.little school building now 2013..may be council land,of the old salv army hut..given over to council for small school seems there now..south side those old shops..further up west from along broadway..south side ..I used to walk it..

  • Re: Southall by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 7-Nov-2013
    Pauline, mentioning the Salvation Army in Hamborough Road awakens some old memories.Until I was 4 we lived in Townsend Road,and our neighbours on one side were the Aubreys. They were SA people. Their daughter Vera used to take me to Sunday School in the SA place in Hamborough road. She was ~8 at that time. Ultimately she became a GI bride!

  • Re: Southall by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 7-Nov-2013
    That's a lovely memory Michael. When you think about it we, as children in that time, felt safe to be out on our own in Southall and around. I don't think it's quite the same nowadays. I might be wrong.

  • Re: Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 8-Nov-2013
    You are right Pauline Southall was a super place to grow up in the 1940/50s.

  • Re: Southall by penny (Member 10265839) on 11-Nov-2013
    Hi Jean,
    One more name to record before I forget it again -
    Roger Rosier.

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Nov-2013
    you western rd girls school here........1967 times newspaper..13 apr..shopping lesson rowses west ealing with mrs Kirby.your school...and store manager.mr davidge

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Nov-2013
    denis...forces war records in google ..have also transcribed .online..home guard 2 nd war...new from kew national archive released..info..names etc..

  • Re: Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 11-Nov-2013
    Ok will have a look, thanks.

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Nov-2013
    in google...ytube film..blitz London by Jason blackman..schools kids shelters buses train houses bombed etc...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZdTv5bgGCM

  • Re: Southall by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 12-Nov-2013
    Thanks for that link, Yvonne

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-Nov-2013
    site back again.24 hrs out.....memories of 1951 to 4..etc of bob Livermore on bike telegram boy for southall post office..opposite snooker hall for lunchbreaks..friends fred doring.joe hickley..henry Benchley.dave Maguire..

  • Re: Southall by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 13-Nov-2013
    Talking about telegram boys Yvonne reminds me that I've still got all my telegrams from family and friends for our wedding in 1954 in Southall at Heston Church.

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-Nov-2013
    that's marvellous..how lovely..great lych gate there for photos..several of my family photos there.weddings ..........and back in the old days just stood there no photos then..ha..

  • Re: Southall by Jean Kirby (Member 10268700) on 14-Nov-2013
    Hi Penny Sorry about the delay yes I remember most of the children that you have mentioned I am beginning to run out of names now what about Martin Upton, Barry Card, John and George (tubby) Griffiths their father was in the police Force, Shelia Mercer, Sandra Hedley and Carole Howse. It was good to hear about Pam Morgan we became quite good friends when she worked at Crown Cork with me, I remembe... more >>

  • Re: Southall by Ronald Cox (Member 10259196) on 15-Nov-2013
    Does any one remember the Davis family who lived at 15 Allenby Rd. Brian is in Canada and his brother is in Wales. I would like to make contact.
    Ron

  • Re: Southall by penny (Member 10265839) on 16-Nov-2013
    Hi Yvonne,
    You mentioned Bob Livermore. I used to work with Ernie Livermore at the Metal Box Company in Acton in the late 60s. Would this be the same family?

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Nov-2013
    will try get message to bob let you know

  • Re: Southall by Dilys Boot (Member 10061138) on 16-Nov-2013
    Ronald Cox,I have Brian Davis email address if you'd like to email me. He is on Facebook too.

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Nov-2013
    penny reply from..bob .Monday tues or wednesday

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Nov-2013
    Camden lock today London...remake the lock gates..brickwork 200yrs old in good ish condition..old coins found..project to do..waterways...gt tow path use leisure etc..tv news bbc today..public invited..open days..tour and talk.

  • Re: Southall by Ronald Cox (Member 10259196) on 17-Nov-2013
    Dilys
    I have sent you my Email address through Friends Reunited.
    Ron

  • Re: Southall by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 17-Nov-2013
    I think Ronald, that sending an email address via Friends Reunited is a very safe & secure way to do it. I have pasted it into my hat for future reference.

  • Re: Southall by penny (Member 10265839) on 18-Nov-2013
    Jean,
    I am now struggling to put faces to the last batch of names you mention, although the names are familiar. Haven't seen Pam and Vic for about 10 years but they seemed very settled after all those years. I shared a flat in Ealing with Hilary for about 5 years in the late 60s/early 70s then she moved to Aberdeen until about 10 years ago when she and her husband John Ling moved to the Norwich... more >>

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Nov-2013
    if you put their names and also married names into the facebook slot search..many many people this last few yrs.and back over 5yrs are on there.there are several groups and towns of nostalgia and old friends found.it has very much taken over from friends reunited for a long time now,quite a few yrs most people have been on there photos chat nostalgia.local.all years

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Nov-2013
    you tube in google..1949 the pub.all there..bowls etc.....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quXBU5IqqeQ

    also 1956 .looks like start of canal part hayes bridge bankside left .etc..uxbridge rd buses etc.1956.so much there all areas..by Copley urban council hayes Harlington you tube..in google

  • Re: Southall by Jean Kirby (Member 10268700) on 18-Nov-2013
    Penny:- Gillian and Barry Card were the grandchildren of Mrs Fletcher, Gillian was older than us and Barry was a little younger they lived on the green between our houses, also the Griffiths brothers lived there too, looking back I think that I remember that Carole Howse was the niece of Mrs Mazetti, Mum said that her mother had passed away when she was very small and Mrs Mazetti had given them a ... more >>

  • Re: Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 19-Nov-2013
    Did anybody watch Its a wonderful after life film last night, filmed in & around Southall, Palace cinema the Glassy Junction Havalock Road ect. with some of the cast from the Kumars at 42 TV show.

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 19-Nov-2013
    is it 42 channel tv..cant find it in radio times or in google to get iplayer repeat on computer...42 does the channel have a name....we only have freeview....monday18th night 2013 nov.your programme.would have liked to see it.

  • Re: Southall by Carol (Member 10254505) on 19-Nov-2013
    I watched the second half of it but didn't recognise anywhere I knew. Only watched because I saw it was supposed to be in Southall.

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 19-Nov-2013
    do you have name of the programme time it was on..see if can find it repeat on computer

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 19-Nov-2013
    carol what was it called.what time..name number of channel..cant find it yet..thanks

  • Re: Southall by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 19-Nov-2013
    It's a Wonderful Afterlife
    Just looked it up in the Supplement. It was on BBC1 at 11.20pm until 12.55am on Monday 18 November 2013.
    I didn't see it though.

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 19-Nov-2013
    thanks Pauline will have look thanks

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 19-Nov-2013
    11.20 to 1 am.bbc1..supernatural romance comedy.director chadha..2010 film.fantasy.indian cast.mild horror.threats when marry off her daughter..violence drug abuse says radio times...but yes they do film.palace cinema etc backgrounds.southall cameras filming backgrounds..

  • Re: Southall by Carol (Member 10254505) on 19-Nov-2013
    I just saw from where they were filming in the cemetery. Didn't recognise that as being in Southall and hoped that it wasn't.

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 19-Nov-2013
    street view2012 free in google cameras take you round the areas of Havelock and hortus cemeteries..or old front church graveyard of old st john south side king st...went round roman exhibition..month ago..saw hortus courtyard..hortus means garden.

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Nov-2013
    this week mayor hilingdon borough unveiled plaque to barnes Wallace his daughter and gson there.worked at bounce bomb early days harmondsworth lab..and national physical laboratory plaque there..9 plaques borough Hillingdon now.ruislip lido mayor ceremony all new there..old vinyl factory .emi hayes.boris given.backing.. £7.7 million.project new business etc centres to start there,now..crossrail s... more >>

  • Re: Southall by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 26-Nov-2013
    As its getting near Xmas my mind take me back to my childhood in Southall. One of the things I remember was going to Saturday morning Pictures at the Odeon and on the way home calling into the Arcade which used to be along the Broadway. There was a toy shop right at the bottom, next to an independent radio / TV repair shop. So I,m sure Yvonne can answer this what happened to the Arcade, and when. ... more >>

  • Re: Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 26-Nov-2013
    I remember the toy shop in the arcade you mention, the arcade no longer exists as such it has been built across with another shop.

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Nov-2013
    yes sat morn pictures odeon 50s.was very good..tanner...my cousin Charlie he bunked in with his mates..used money for sweets..choc ice gt...but.my route was cut back home quick short cut through north rd....my aunts 1928 to 1961..knew the arcade well..1930s they met their local partners hubbys there..nickname monkeys parade..

  • Re: Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 26-Nov-2013
    Yes the Oden Saturday mornings The sing alongs. the dot bouncing along the top of the words as we sang, as Yvonne mentioned trying to sneak in for free. happy days.

  • Re: Southall by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 26-Nov-2013
    Yes, we all remember the Odeon on a Saturday morning. I remember it in the late 30's and 40's. All the shouting and hollering before the film came on, boys climbing over seats, and rocking backwards and forwards. Some seats had the straw coming out of them! I loved it when the orgsn came on and we all started singing the usual Odeon song. Now altogether:

    We come along on Saturday morning
    Greet... more >>

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Nov-2013
    lovely memories ..denis Pauline...yes the dot..and girls outsing boys..or left side outsing right side...clementine....etc..if the film broke he had to splice it but boos ..shouts ha..full hse every Saturday.cartoons western comedy

  • Re: Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 26-Nov-2013
    Yes Flash Gordon the orginal in black & white the lone Ranger & Tonto again black & white.

  • Re: Southall by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 26-Nov-2013
    I loved it at the Saturday morning pictures when the cowboys appeared in the Westerns. Was it Buck Jones and Silver his horse? When it got a bit exciting the kids used to shout out "Look behind you Mister" when the baddie was creeping up on someone. Lovely memories.

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Nov-2013
    loved norm wisdom bob hope films.....loud the cowboy ones were...my cousin used to..wow wow.noise.home with his feather in his head..then he had cowboy gun caps around his waist hat etc..

  • Re: Southall by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 26-Nov-2013
    If memory serves me correctly the toy shop in the Arcade was Lodges, they also owned the toy shop in the King Street which was renamed Toy Lodge when it was sold to new owners. They had two shops in the Arcade the main one across the bottom and one of the other units along the side which I think was basically used for storage.

  • Re: Southall by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 26-Nov-2013
    What a memory Colin, now you mention it I do remember the storage bit at the front. I used to look in the window at admire all the toy soldiers they had on display. All 2nd WW soldiers.

  • Re: Southall by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 26-Nov-2013
    Pauline-I also used to go to the Odeon pre-war.
    The song then began:
    Every Saturday morning where do we go
    getting into mischief,Oh Dear No!
    Have an idea Roy Couch gave us the full version a few years ago.
    I remember Buck Jones,also Tim McCoy,G... more >>

  • Re: Southall by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 26-Nov-2013
    Michael, below is what you wrote on the Saxon road thread:
    Roy Couch has reminded me of the Odeon song from our day(pre WW2):
    Every Saturday morning where do we go,
    Getting into mischief oh dear no,
    To the Mickey Mouse club with our badges on.
    Every Saturday morning at the Odeon.

  • Re: Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 27-Nov-2013
    Colin i still 3 books purchased from lodges King Street shop in the 1930 whit there label i in side.

  • Re: Southall by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 27-Nov-2013
    Pauline-thanks for the reminder. Other cowboy films were Hopalong Cassidy-played by William Boyd

  • Re: Southall by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 27-Nov-2013
    My wife just informs me that the toy shop was also a dolls hospital, and the owner lived in Greenford Ave.

  • Re: Southall by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 27-Nov-2013
    Tom your wife's mention of the dolls hospital stirs a memory, I think the second shop in the arcade was at one time the dolls hospital.

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Nov-2013
    scots wool shop in arcade..think greengrocers in there also...

  • Re: Southall by Bill Henley (Member 10272156) on 28-Nov-2013
    I remember Lodges in the KIng Street well. You could buy Meccano bits separately,lots of dinky toys and Hornby railway. A favourite haunt. I have visited both the Havelock Road and Hortus Cemeteries recently. The former is looking very sad with broken monuments. My grandfather's grave is in one corner with empty beer cans and discarded needles. Other relatives (Couch & Banyard) are nearby. Hortus ... more >>

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Nov-2013
    bill....Percival hse cemetery dept ealing w5.email is also.in.the old town hall..have the record books..say close kin.give all details...they will give you plot number etc..map on the entry gate ..1870s opened..Havelock..names fade stones go over..

  • Re: Southall by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 28-Nov-2013
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHhuBZEZESU

    It isn't Southall but a 1950's drive from Hammersmith to Kensington. See how many old shops (and a Martins bank) you can recognise

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Nov-2013
    gt thanks..calm quiet 1950s .martins..marshalls norvic..red buses lorries cars bikes..smart people clothes.gentle time..http://londonist.com/2011/08/video-driving-round-london-in-the-1950s.php
    just typed in google..info up it came..

  • Re: Southall by Bill Henley (Member 10272156) on 29-Nov-2013
    Does anyone know please anything of a Uitenhage House in Shackleton Road. I have a Mrs Harry living there in May 1915 (a Southall Gazette reference). Uitenhage is town in South Africa. Thank you.

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Nov-2013
    free in google online..post office directory 1914.yrs...historical directories site.....shackleton rd..east side .only .west side not built yet..brickfields of west ave areas Greenford ave .got built later 1928 yrs.....so..shackleton..lady marg to north rd...the east side...........number 1.on the south side of shackleton..was Robert Thomas warren..famous small..builder many yrs..my gdad .uncle..n... more >>

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Nov-2013
    free in google.online index...find past...everitt harry age 37 living southall uxb reg dist..born 1874 ...1911 census...lots harry family long list of them locally..in 1911

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Nov-2013
    southall had masonic lodge those yrs so did cape town south Africa ..of uitenhage.was masonic lodge there also...boar war...masonic often builders..number.2 harrys house is next door to famous southall brick works.HQ..with the brickfields extensive..west side lady marg rd then..canal off to west....harry may be part of the firm..or the firm..built owned house harry family lived and called it after... more >>

  • Re: Southall by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 29-Nov-2013
    I lived in North road 1933-1954,noy far from the junction with Shackleton road, but the house mentioned doesn't ring any bells.
    The people I knew were the Gwythers-Mt Gwyther was a teacher at Dormers Wells School-he had a son Dennis,who was in my class at North Road School, and a daughter. Also there was a Mr Harris,a bookie.with a son Teddy. The bookies office was Harris and Phelp.situated nex... more >>

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Nov-2013
    also on those 2 corners of shackleton rd..east side...plough pub junction at one corner rob dean.landlord...and on the north corner opposite..now shop..restaurant many yrs..but 1914 was George etherington farmer....large corner land there if southall brick company..in 1914...street view is good..today north side numbers 34 .to 42etc going towards lady marg rd....south side middle along is 21.....s... more >>

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Nov-2013
    in google....also uitenhage.2009 in westbury.Wiltshire uk..uitenhage house farm..and .in east sussex...

  • Re: Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 29-Nov-2013
    Yvonne did the brick fields stretch from Shackelton to the Ruislip Road in the north & from Lady Marg Road to the canal in the west side. the reason i ask out the back of the flat were we lived there was a long deep trench in Durdans Field long since filled in to build the new Lady Marg school i now wonder if this was part of ... more >>

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Nov-2013
    could be ...on old maps .in google..many yrs 1900s...durdans works...carriages carts...making..1913 eric Campbell at durdans 4 cylinder car making.iron metal works.1918 van making walter moore at durdans..canal near....nickname for 1928 yrs.building west ave Greenford ave ..bottom end of northcote ave east ave.....the old brickfields council estate...west of lady marg rd..west side shackleton rd..... more >>

  • Re: Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 29-Nov-2013
    Thanks Yvonne will investigate.

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Nov-2013
    waxlow farm..was also huge across the area ..between lady marg rd and mount pleasant..all across the north middle areas ..on old.maps...later houses rds get built on all the land across..

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Nov-2013
    above click more have told you 1914 .harry family no 2 .shackleton rd...street view ,number 7 ..number 5..up by plough pub corner...opposite is number 1.etc .on the north side....find past free index military.boar war to 1902 ..dozen harry surname there.at military boar war...census 1901 ..only 5 ..harry family on local census so mr everitt harry..may be at boar war south Africa.but1911..1914.he i... more >>

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Nov-2013
    Pauline....3.school full class photos.on board15..tudor rd...june davies and joan peryer born 1930..iris cox born 1929.....3 classes .yrs there..1937 king queen photo coronation in the classroom.ernie cox born 1930....IF OUR RON COX RELATED>..lily davies born 1909 lived east ave..june still alive still southall..gave the photos.

  • Re: Southall by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 30-Nov-2013
    Thanks Yvonne for the photos of Tudor Road. I can't be sure, but it looks like me in the second photo in the second row seventh to the left, next to a very small girl to my right. I used to wear a grip in my hair. I recognised the girl in the gingham dress with a white collar in the front, but it's the only girl I remember. I would have been 8 yrs old in 1939, or coming up to 8, as it was obviousl... more >>

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Nov-2013
    so wonderful Pauline..will look...do you know any of the names gave you..have asked ron await reply

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Nov-2013
    have put a close up..enlarged ..2nd row....7th .going from right to left....7th going to the left.with a crip...brunette hair..is it dark tunic..with girl bow blonde to you right...will look again..you said small girl on the right.....joan peryer is front row..1st girl the large size she is on right..gingham white collar..she and june davies gave the photo..june still southall..now today...yes 8yr... more >>

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Nov-2013
    oh you ..left of small girl..dark hair dark tunic..so you .left of her ,grip on right..parting on the left .at photo.with.nice cotton dress.as you say taller..age 8 yes you look 8.1939....1937 other photo coronation class tudor rd..

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Nov-2013
    did joan in the front...go to grammar...june davies went to dormers..

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Nov-2013
    simon king off gt tv ..live in google daily filming..birds prey red kites extinct 19 yrs farmers feed meat..100s now 2pm feeds..high Wycombe etc....fly over harefield middx by Ruislip..huge wing span...http://www.simonkingwildlife.com/page/live-cams/kite-cam-968

  • Re: Southall by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 30-Nov-2013
    No Yvonne, I'm to the right of the small girl with the dark tunic, and there is a smaller girl to the right of me (if it is me) at the end of the second row.

  • Re: Southall by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 30-Nov-2013
    This would be in the Juniors as we are all girls in the class, and the boys would be in their boys' Junior school at that age.

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Nov-2013
    as you look at photo...7th from left going right..light hair..which would make it the 2nd from the right..dark tunic girl with board.to the left of you.in photo........or .dark tunic small girl without board right of her.with light bow.if you.......seems 2nd row ..then another row behind..then back row..then girls standing back wall..lovely photo gt behaved yr 8 or so girls..smart.

  • Re: Southall by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 30-Nov-2013
    Yvonne, you're really confusing me now. Looking at the photo there are two girls in the front on their own. The next row (the second row) there is a very little girl with dark hair sitting up near the windows. Two girls are standing behind her against the windows. I am sitting next to that very little girl, and there is another smaller girl on the other side of me in a dark tunic. Not the one hold... more >>

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Nov-2013
    will have good look .we are off to grocery supermkt back later..gt

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Nov-2013
    yes ..got it nicely...so close up done..board15..ok correct...left girl..very nice cotton print dress white collar..grip hair..tallish.nice smile lovely....yes 2nd row...looking at photo 7th from the right .going left.sitting ...so 2nd from the left.......do you know anything of the girl front...joan peryer...also june davies there...and cox girl..what luck..photo you you class..yes you look about... more >>

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Dec-2013
    think got you in the middle of the 3 of you now...photo...all girls..large class...age 8 were boys in a separate class then tudor rd..1939...thanks../gt response to photos..loved by many..general selection..very popular...rare photos.......red kites birds prey.often spoken of..maidenhead Windsor..Chiltern hills to harefield of ruslip..parakeets canal near spikes bridge nest.and lime green birds everywhere

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Dec-2013
    think got you in the middle of the 3 of you now...photo...all girls..large class...age 8 were boys in a separate class then tudor rd..1939...thanks../gt response to photos..loved by many..general selection..very popular...rare photos.......red kites birds prey.often spoken of..maidenhead Windsor..Chiltern hills to harefield of ruslip..parakeets canal near spikes bridge nest.and lime green birds everywhere

  • Re: Southall by Ronald Cox (Member 10259196) on 1-Dec-2013
    A great photo but not of my family.

  • Re: Southall by Ronald Cox (Member 10259196) on 1-Dec-2013
    I am trying to locate John Davis,Dormers 1943-47.
    Michael Braden may remember helping me several years ago ,with no results. If any one has info on John please let me know?
    Ron

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Dec-2013
    june davies on southall school photos.born 1929yrs.....but lots people called that.....thanks ron...

  • Re: Southall by Bill Henley (Member 10272156) on 2-Dec-2013
    Thank you for the information about the Harry family. I will investigate further.

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Dec-2013
    ok bill....list of harry..on censuses..southall uxbridge reg dist living...free indexes on line and 1914 post office directory.with harry

  • Re: Southall by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 2-Dec-2013
    The boys at Tudor Road when they left the Infants would go to a separate building and a separate playground from the girls. We didn't mix at all. In my brother David's autobiography, he mentions leaving his Infant class at 7 years old to move to the Junior school. He said he was particularly sad about it as he had formed a friendship with a little girl called Joan Stocker, and he wouldn't see her ... more >>

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Dec-2013
    that's why you age 8 in girl class...juniors separated.age 7.to 11...then grammar or dormers age 11...infants 5 to 7yrs old.mixed class.at.tudor rd.......1954 dormers primary mixed classes age 5 to 11 ..then separated..yr11 onwards seniors...couple of days ..classrooms full of pupils photos and the fastest quickest viewing amazing how many people enjoying..trying to find face might know..such rar... more >>

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Dec-2013
    joan is nice in free index in google...1936 born southall reg dist uxb......married 1959.reg dist ealing london w5..as was for southall.TO MR EVANS.......the only other..is joan.marry 1955harrow reg dist..to newman

  • Re: Southall by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 3-Dec-2013
    Thank you for that Yvonne.I still can't believe it.

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Dec-2013
    lovely...yes about time she would marry........glad you like luck of photo....you look so nice.hope your sister and sisterinlaw like it and your children grandchildren do.................1939.and terrible day sept when you dad got you back from play when siren went.................the only deaths of joan evans.her married name.born 1936....are...Islington London 1975....Newcastle under lyme staffs... more >>

 
Southall by dennis legge (Member 10281999) on 29-Oct-2013
Does anybody remember a Shop in Southall called Galham Electrics,I believe the Name was made up from the 2 Partners Mr Gale7 My Hamley/Hamlyn.
I was working there in 1949 as an Electricians Mate. If I remember rightly the Shop was between the Odeon Cinema and South Road.
  
  • Re: Southall by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 13-Nov-2013
    I remember a cycle shop between the Odeon and South Road.

  • Re: Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Nov-2013
    the whole film is..good..views scenes..whether trams southall..or London..this one 1952 yrs ..around...type in google.the elephant never forgets 1952..the trams tribute..chat is so good with it.youtube film.free in google.

 
AEC World War Tw0 by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 20-Oct-2013
As Yvonne is already aware I have created a PDF copy of the book Contribution to Victory published in 1946 by the AEC, a copy of this can be downloaded from the following website:

http://www.my-ivefamily.me.uk/AEC/

The picture of the AEC badge is corrupted but you can still click on it as per the instruction on the page.
  
  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Oct-2013
    very grateful ..lovely to read and photos..thankyou...1946

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 20-Oct-2013
    What has happened to AEC is a national disgrace. They built buses which could last for 25 years if necessary with constant London service. Now we are importing buses from Poland etc which often need to be replaced after 7 years service in London. What has gone wrong in this country. "The past is a happy place, and I want to find it again" NOT ONE of my contemporaries (all about age 66) ... more >>

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 21-Oct-2013
    I'm just glad my Dad is not around now to see the demise of the AEC and the buses they used to build in his lifetime. He worked on the Crankshafts for the buses at AEC, first in Walthamstow and then moved to Southall until his retirement. I always got the impression that it was a very heavy job, although I know very little about it. I do know there was a great sense of pride at AEC and the equipment they built.

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by thompson (Member 10241148) on 21-Oct-2013
    I remember my family having a copy of this book, as a kid I spent hours reading it and being proud that the AEC from Southall paid a big part in the war effort. Thanks for posting it on the web as I can now relive my childhood reading. I think another book was published which had the Routemaster Bus and
    the Marathon lorry.

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Oct-2013
    think other..aec book...is here...in list of aec...lots of aec here in google...southall...................
    http://www.bing.com/search?q=aec+book+of+bus+lorry&form=CMNTDF&pc=CMNTDF&src=IE-SearchBox

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 22-Oct-2013
    Keith the AEC was bought by Leyland for there engines as Albion was purchased for there gearboxes, Scammall for there heavy trucks ect. As history proved Layland motors could not make anything that was any good & the whole lot whent to the wall.

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 22-Oct-2013
    Hi all I been reading the AEC bit with interest.
    As with many, my Dad worked at the AEC for years, he drove the over head crane, where ever that was. I remember the lockout in 1972ish that the workers found themselves having to put up with. I think they were locked out in about June and never returned to work until 2 weeks before Xmas.
    My Dad had a stroke the first week in January the following ... more >>

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Oct-2013
    best wishes tom...there are very good aec sites..in google...the socity etc...photos 1970s 1980..their sports ground famous..southall

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 22-Oct-2013
    Tom i remember some good nights in the AEC social club playing snooker in the late 1950s

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 22-Oct-2013
    During WW2 we had a young lady lodger.Betty halcombe who worked at AEC. she came from Walthamstow.

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 22-Oct-2013
    Tonight l learned that Scania buses that are everywhere in London are made in a Polish factory too. They are expected to last for 10 years maximum, I remember AECs buses, like their Routemasters all lasted for 25 year minimum and some for longer, AECs vehicles were perhaps too good and didn't need replacing so often, but your comments about Leyland are spot on because they never were built as well

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 23-Oct-2013
    After the Routemasters were replaced a lot of them gave further service in places like Blackpool who had a number running in the town as did Pendle in Lancashire & no doubt many other towns.

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 23-Oct-2013
    Yes Denis
    Years ago I was surprised to see former London AEC Routemasters running around Edinburgh, long after they'd left Ealing

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 23-Oct-2013
    Have you been to the Brooklands bus museum Keith well worth a visit, you will remember the buses before the Routemaster the RT. Regent (AEC), & the RTL (Leyland) the first (AEC) Regent RT no 1 built in Southall is in there.

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 23-Oct-2013
    Thank you Denis

    No, I haven't been to the bus museum, and I now learn that one of the kids in my junior school (Brentside in Hanwell) Billy Cottrell, nearly 60 years ago, spent most of his working life at AEC and was one of the founders of the bus museum! Small world!

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Oct-2013
    we went to brooklands gt whole day out...was good..... lots photos in google................http://www.londonbusmuseum.com/

    and the London transport museum covent gdn excellent been twice....

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 23-Oct-2013
    The Routemasters certainly do keep on running. Six weeks ago I was on one in Halifax Nova Scotia the tour guide called it 'an Antique Bus' well I thought to myself that must make me an antique although I think veteran would be a better description.

    I can remember as if it was yesterday waiting in Cornwall Ave for the first Routemaster on our 105 route to take me to school.

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 24-Oct-2013
    Fred i remember getting AEC RTs from Rutland road in the 1950s just round the corner from Cornwall Avenue did you live there.

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 24-Oct-2013
    The Routemasters in pendle Lancs. were all named after the stars in Eastenders.

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Oct-2013
    used the 105 often 50s 60s...dormers to Greenford high st....or dormers to broadway southall....all weathers rain etc...still running today....into heathrow now....boris new buses in central London now..photos of them in google...gt weather thames London st pauls globe museum modern art the shard etc over 18 degrees summers day stroll.today....loads thames leisure boats......museum London..everyth... more >>

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 24-Oct-2013
    Denis, I lived in Manaton Cres which is off Cornwall Ave from about 1960 until Aug '66 when we migrated to Aus.

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 24-Oct-2013
    I had a school friend who lived in Manaton Crescent-Tommy Hedges-but at least 15 years before 1960!

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 25-Oct-2013
    Well Mr & Mrs Hedges lived next door to us at No9 we were at No7 but their children were already grown up as you say Michael.

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 25-Oct-2013
    Thanks Fred you lived in the area after me we left Lady Marg. Road May 1960

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 25-Oct-2013
    What an astonishing coincidence Fred.During WW2 Mrs Hadges was a volunterr ambulance driver. I met her a few times.

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 25-Oct-2013
    Mrs. Hedges "Doing her bit" Michael. I never knew that. The other neighbours I remember were the Wilsons at No 13 and a boy a few years older than me, his name was Roy Rodgers and he was stopped by the police one day (as police often do) and asked "What's your name" and when he replied they said "Oh really, well you can tell that to the sergeant"

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 26-Oct-2013
    I went to school with Roy Rodgers, Lady Margaret Road Junior School. We had a Mr Stead as the sports master, who kept going off sick with malaria picked up in the far east during the war.

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 26-Oct-2013

    Tom what years where at Lady Margaret Road juniors. i remember Mr Stead.

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 26-Oct-2013
    There was another teacher at Dormers who was off often Mr Walker he was gassed in WW1 Does any remember him in the boys school.

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 26-Oct-2013
    Hi Dennis I was at Lady M from 1953 to 1958 when I went to Dormers Wells. Stead was football mad, And my only claim to fame is that I have a football medal which reads "southall schools league runners up 1957/58". Happy happy days.

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 26-Oct-2013
    Tom i was there from 1948 to 1954 Then i whent to North Road to 1956 then to Dormers left 1958, you are only the second person on here & friends reunited that when to Lady Margaret road school. i dont know if you remember some of the staff Miss Edwards head infants, Mr May head juniors. Mr Owen Miss Cowgill Mr & Mrs Clayton ect.

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by thompson (Member 10241148) on 26-Oct-2013
    I remember a teacher at Dormers who was gassed in the WW1. He taught us history and was very slight, frail man; but can not remember his name but he could be to whom the reference is made.

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 26-Oct-2013
    Hello again Dennis yes I remember Mr and Mrs Clayton, and the name May rings a bell. My 2 brothers Fred and Sid, went to Lady M Years before me, and Sid used to be friendly with the Clayton s son. Can't remember his real name, but was always called titchy Clayton, as he had a height issue.

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by dennis legge (Member 10281999) on 26-Oct-2013
    HI;
    I remember Mr Walker at Dormers Wells,I left 1948, I saw Mr Walker in about 1956 he was living in a Flat at Medway Parade Perivale,I was sent there to repair his ADA Washing Machine,I also remember Mr Lewis I was in his Class when he Collapsed at his Desk,I went next Door and Fetched Mr Double,I do not think he returned to Dormers Wells after that.

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 26-Oct-2013
    Tom your brothers would at Lady Margaret about the same time as me then, if i remember the Claytons lived on Somerset nearly opp. Derwent Road. Mr Walker was tallish but thin.

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 26-Oct-2013
    Dennis at the time you were mending Mr Walkers washing machine i was in his class he could be rather bad tempered at times but when i look back i think it was linked to hes health, when hes having a good day he was a super teacher & would tell us about being a gunner in WW1 were he was gassed.

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by Dilys Boot (Member 10061138) on 26-Oct-2013
    My husband used to work for Ada repairing washing machines probably late 50s-early 60s.

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by dennis legge (Member 10281999) on 27-Oct-2013
    Hi Dilys,
    Re Mr Walkers ADA Washing Machne, the firm I worked was Pollard Ray & Sampson,they where Electrical Wholesalers, I worked for their Service Dept. which was based in the Greenford Road.

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 27-Oct-2013
    That's right Dennis we lived in Derwent Road, no 2 the end op Kelvin Gardens where the plane crashed, another day I remember very well.

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 27-Oct-2013
    Yes Tom i think we all remember the 2 Sept. 1958

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 27-Oct-2013
    I'm 65 now and still have the scrapbook I started the day after the crash from all the press cuttings. like me it's now looking a bit worn around the edges.

  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Sep-2013
    family always complained of walk...royal lane...usually visit after work...dark nights..1936 brother pneumonia...etc...dad...peritonitis..1939...my aunt plurousy...40s 50s approx...maternity..50s....they say it is much better lite now...loads more buses..go there.....redlion pub.hillingdon church tower 8 bells..village green...get off 607...207 bus...but long walk.....they always spoke complained of....

  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Sep-2013
    and gdad 1948 age 58..west ave ..worked all life but cigs...went hillingdon hosp...they said to wife daughters.son..he hass got 3 weeks to live sent him home.died in his bed .lung cancer..agony..bad yelling..they went up to him..often.....so bus...no cars..few bikes yes.....

  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Sep-2013
    rare good film...youtube loads in it.....in google....uxbridge may carnival 1922.....nans uncle over 40 yrs there owned grocer shop.....cousins .dad ...4 brothers there publicans....marching bands..horses ponies..vehicles..lorry bad exhaust fumes..1922 police...caps hats..clothes kids..bikes..chequers commercial pub..flags..shops..£150 bungalows selling.....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GMXQdMAM10

  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 2-Sep-2013
    I had a spell in Hillingdon hospital aged 4 yrs had a cist on the back of my right leg thought i was cancer it was removed and all clear given. I remember trying to escape in the middle of the night so thay put me in reins attached to the cot that was 1947

  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Sep-2013
    yes age 4..bet you did...ha....tony myself born there...new section was opened there 1966.of the annexes..also...tall tower...built..........but.1947...only southall hosp...Hillingdon..or and mattock lane ealing edward7th.....mainly...

  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 2-Sep-2013
    I also visited King Edwards as an out patients for weeks after cutting the same leg open on an old car seat 1955.

  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Sep-2013
    oh dear......I had tonsils out king edw 7th princess elizabth ward...the famous nursery rhyme tiles there....ice cream...ha...

  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 2-Sep-2013
    I belive the nursery tiles are preserved.

  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Sep-2013
    yes lens wife was nurse she said some went to new ealing hospital..uxbridge rd...google has it that the rest went to museum..ironbridge..jackfield museum.tiles..by carter...famous tiles of 1930..

  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 2-Sep-2013
    It seems we have lost David Jacobs as well as Sir David Frost this week to.

  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Sep-2013
    yes 87,,,just retired from radio 2 ...2 mths ago....juke box jury etc pop tv..we had him on....74 david frost ship..heart attack..very sad

 
Bombadier Billy Wells by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 16-Aug-2013
I was talking to my 89 year old father yesterday and he was telling me about being introduced by my great uncle John to Bombadier Billy Wells on Hanwell Golf Course in 1941. Was the Bombadier a local? I knew of course about his efforts with the Rank Gong.   
  • Re: Bombadier Billy Wells by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Aug-2013
    thought had heard that nice...photo of tall big man came into my head....yes we had his photo on flickr...died ealing...1967 age 77.....born Stepney...dad William was musician...1887 to 167.so he was brit empire champion.1911 to 1919.boxing..photo gloves at ring...in google.....several articles there.....loads images there....

  • Re: Bombadier Billy Wells by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Aug-2013
    he was in royal artillery .his londsdale belt was on display Woolwich of them...died age 77 ealing...ashes in crypt..st mary hanwell..tall spire by golf course....yes gong cinema man...rank.I used to work beechams by the 1970..rank corner ealing rd Brentford gt west rd....my neighbour worked rank..gave me spools musicals films..sound tracks...sound music etc..for my grundig tape recorder....was so... more >>

  • Re: Bombadier Billy Wells by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Aug-2013
    google....blue plaque on front his hse brunner rd pitsanger lane ealing.......up be the east end of high st pitsanger..loads trees ..lovely..quiet area...lived there 5half yrs..by doc on corner brunner rd junction...up north walk the rd eaton rise from haven green ealing broadway...pitsanger pk tennis cts his local..river brent fast flow through saw kingfisher there on bank..over hang branch...her... more >>

  • Re: Bombadier Billy Wells by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Aug-2013
    best wishes your dad from all of us....my southall lifetime cousin...100 next nov...but recent in Canada with son..she gets 100 card etc from Canada and London...nice lady

  • Re: Bombadier Billy Wells by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Aug-2013
    JUST BACK..2 days off sent them 3 days emails..thanks knowhere for bringing it back......denis...tv yesterday....hastings pier redo after fire £2million..take 2 yrs....Osterley was good Saturday....photos board15...............

  • Re: Bombadier Billy Wells by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 18-Aug-2013
    That was quite something Fred for your 17 year old father to be introduced to Billy Wells. Also ironic that a stone's throw from Hanwell Golf course that Billy Wells would be buried in the crypt at Hanwell Church. Inside the north east corner of the church there is a plaque to commemorate Bombadier Billy Wells.

  • Re: Bombadier Billy Wells by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 18-Aug-2013
    WE ARE BACK. yes Yvonne been talk for sometime about restoring Hastings pier, yes missed Osterly was out for the day but thanks.

  • Re: Bombadier Billy Wells by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Aug-2013
    yes we had friend hastings went every yr and pier yes..take 2 yrs to do..looks in bad way...........Osterley ok..reinact..days home guard they have there...house looked gt....other sites knowhere.little there..advertising..but...massive huge .facebook.advertising..promotion.through.ites...2008 ..and before see members ......they use daily...wonder if loose knowhere...after 11 yrs this site........... more >>

  • Re: Bombadier Billy Wells by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 18-Aug-2013
    O Yvonne i do hope not this site has become another home i have looked at other knowhere pages & there dead up to ours.

  • Re: Bombadier Billy Wells by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Aug-2013
    yes most knowhere.....has .little..
    but all peoples....they have long time been using facebook.with photos at most comments....many extremely nice people...yes most ..people...say it is...very much a ..part...of things..loads nostalgia.etc..incredible info.....2008 before and definitaley since..to 2013...most many use.....of all types..facebook specific sites..incredibly lucky..people of ..kindne... more >>

  • Re: Bombadier Billy Wells by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 18-Aug-2013
    Yes, I've noticed that contributions have ceased on many Knowhere sites through lack of answers etc, . > many not had contributions for a couple of years. I do hope this keeps going as Southall is one of the few with regular contributors from several different individuals. Rare on other Knowhere town pages now.

  • Re: Bombadier Billy Wells by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 19-Aug-2013
    hear ....hear.

  • Re: Bombadier Billy Wells by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 19-Aug-2013
    Yes, many local ones such as Ealing, Perivale and Hanworth which once were active, seem to have 'died' since about 2010.

    We must try to ensure this one stays active by telling more people about it.

  • Re: Bombadier Billy Wells by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 19-Aug-2013
    it really is facebook..2008...onwards members..has grown huge....all people...nostalgia..memories etc..etc...specific nice groups..of towns..etc.photos on most comments...then many replies...jog thoughts..by image............yr 2000..knowhere etc millennium..computers ..huge start in chat nostalgia...but some ..have gone off ..start craze....the 11 yrs here hope always be kept...good info nostalgi... more >>

  • Re: Bombadier Billy Wells by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 19-Aug-2013
    You are all right about other sites. I live in Harpenden in Herts, and the Knowhere site has only 72 entries-most of them tripe!

  • Re: Bombadier Billy Wells by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 19-Aug-2013
    I have followed verious towns in Lancashire the number of entrys are very poor over a period of years thay seem to have no interest in there own town or surrondings atall.

  • Re: Bombadier Billy Wells by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 19-Aug-2013
    I live in Arundel and l posted messages about the annual town meeting last year and this. Nobody posted anything in between

  • Re: Bombadier Billy Wells by Chris (Member 10220786) on 19-Aug-2013
    Long live this site & the true Southallians! Chris xx I don't post much but do look in now & then.

  • Re: Bombadier Billy Wells by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 19-Aug-2013
    it is nice looking back...about 11 so yrs..lovely memories.....people don't think of knowhere for a long time now.....huge sites facebook .many several of..caring people..good sites..interesting..people just don't realise of knowhere any more.......perhaps that's why the sites.knowhere go often often usual 3 days off..people seem to insist mainly of photos with comment visual prod...its a shame..

  • Re: Bombadier Billy Wells by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 19-Aug-2013
    Well, I suppose not being born here, and moving into Southall when I was 2 years old, I'm not a 'true Southallian', but I do love this site, and would hate to see it go under.

  • Re: Bombadier Billy Wells by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 19-Aug-2013
    yes we all love the site....so much...hope not to loose the 11 yrs...nice comments as well..such nice people....all different yrs of southall...all as important gt...

  • Re: Bombadier Billy Wells by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 19-Aug-2013
    I expect Pauline that quite a few of us were actually born in Hillingdon Hospital and thus went to Southall afterwards (albeit a week later).

    Yes I love this site and have no wish to go on Facebook or other sites of that type. Don't get me wrong I love modern technology but I think some sites are too invasive & also I don't need to know when some starlet has broken her fingernail.

  • Re: Bombadier Billy Wells by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Aug-2013
    yes born Hillingdon hosp..but it was the maternity hosp..for southall..we have the 1950s booklet of around the years then...it if free on line....a nice read..to 1960ish..when from the old maternity annexes..new ward of maternity was opened..sections buildings there developed....so go in labour at home southall..dad at work southall...and down to hillingdon hospital on the uxbridge rd bus..if pos... more >>

  • Re: Bombadier Billy Wells by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Aug-2013
    1961 we had to go across the field to yeading hayes from west ave southall..because the council..was part of ..southall hayes Hillingdon uxbridge..on all my geneology southall green northhyde...overall parish of hayes st mary register district overall of uxbridge......new outer London...boroughs carve up...and we were changed at yeading by the southall canal......to be ...hayes.hillingdon borough ... more >>

  • Re: Bombadier Billy Wells by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 20-Aug-2013
    These sites you are hinting at Yvonne are any of them relating to Southall?

  • Re: Bombadier Billy Wells by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Aug-2013
    southall...yes.....chris..and dylis...........put about it on here several months ago.........did you like info..fred..hanwell church also.....researched for you...............

  • Re: Bombadier Billy Wells by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 20-Aug-2013
    I dont think friend reunited ever came close to to this site long may Southall Knowhere carry on.

  • Re: Bombadier Billy Wells by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Aug-2013
    denis yes friends was good a bit on the schools...photos etc........but massive decline there last few yrs........set up their own faceboo with photos...town.etc...closed monitored sites...all the nice people.....ex pats many......so many went big push southall 50s 60s......so ex pat contribute hugely...nostalgia...knowing meeting friends etc...photos with comments.....2008 and onwards increase.me... more >>

  • Re: Bombadier Billy Wells by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 20-Aug-2013
    You are right.

    Arundel Knowhere didn't get one post for a full 12 months, whereas Arundel Facebook now gets about 20 postings every day of which 19 are generally tripe

  • Re: Bombadier Billy Wells by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 20-Aug-2013
    You may have researched Hanwell Church for me Yvonne & for that I thank you very much but what is the name of the site that it is on please?

    Sometimes and I say this with the utmost gratitude Yvonne it's not always clear with all the ... ... exactly what you mean. I know you do a wonderful job for us so please don't take this the wrong way.

  • Re: Bombadier Billy Wells by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Aug-2013
    glad you liked hanwell etc.......dilys chris...put details site ..on here few months ago.....in google....ask to join...accept is easy...will get it typed for you again...rushing so much daily...time is terrible to find

  • Re: Bombadier Billy Wells by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 20-Aug-2013
    It was 9th April, 2013 "Facebook" that Chris, Dilys and Colin Harris put entres on here about Facebook.

  • Re: Bombadier Billy Wells by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 20-Aug-2013
    Fred - Reading your question again, all the information about Bombardier Billy Wells, including Hanwell church and the crypt is on Google. The whole lot about him can be accessed by tappping in "Bombadier Billy Wells." I think Yvonne did mention Google.

  • Re: Bombadier Billy Wells by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 20-Aug-2013
    Thank you Yvonne & Pauline.

  • Re: Bombadier Billy Wells by Dilys Boot (Member 10061138) on 22-Aug-2013
    You need to join Facebook, and you can keep your details private if you wish and from there join the facebook group :are you an old face of southall: or the breakaway group :are you a old face of southall. Some very good pictures and information to be had on these groups.You have to get a member to suggest you but that shouln't be a problem as a few of us on Knowhere belong to these groups and new... more >>

 
ATC Southall by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 4-Aug-2013
Dennis Sexton: A while back now you mentioned you were in the ATC. Which squadron I wonder?
1942-1946 I was in the 1846 squadron which met at Featherstone Road School. There was also a squadron which met at Southall County(Grammar) school.
Evidently the 1846 squadron is still thriving.
  
  • Re: ATC Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 5-Aug-2013
    Michael i was in the ATC 1846 squd. Fetherstone Rd. in the mid to late 1950s. I have posted pics of the new TA center where 1846 squd. now meets d.sexton428 Flicker.

  • Re: ATC Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 5-Aug-2013
    Michael when i was in 1846 squd. we me in a building on the same side as Fetherstone Road working mens club not in the school.

  • Re: ATC Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 5-Aug-2013
    Michael the ATC hut we met in was nr. the corner of Dudley & Hartington roads just looked in the AtoZ for Southall.

  • Re: ATC Southall by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 5-Aug-2013
    Dennis: during my time with the ATC, we went to Heston visit the RAF base(and later also the USAAF).
    Some times we got a flight in a De Haviland Dominee of ~15 minutes. Aerial views of Southal and the surrounding areas were excellent.
    Later(1944) we attended Heston on Sundays for gliding lessons.

  • Re: ATC Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 5-Aug-2013
    Michael when i travel down Southall lane now & think of how it must have been in WW11 all thoes aircraft types flying in & out. famous people like (peace in our time), Sidney Cotton developed the Sidcot flying suit he was also agent American Williamsons Photo rece cameras his company fitted to Spitfires. Martin Baker (ejector seats) also sta... more >>

  • Re: ATC Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 5-Aug-2013
    yes faous 1st big hanger there listed....control tower 1st of its kind last to be smashed..1960s yes talk of pits.gravel.....southall lane farms..Gregory...northhyde farm.....canteen pub.and its cottages....to 1950s etc....from..1800s....Hounslow barracks bottom rd by bath rd gt west rd......barracks gunpowder was top southall lane tently lane.......in google cranford lane etc....there off Heston ... more >>

  • Re: ATC Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 5-Aug-2013
    Yes i think it was what was called a Maycreat hanger it was damaged by bombing in the early war but was soon repaired

  • Re: ATC Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Aug-2013
    airport staff social club kids xmas party me and my 3 cousins went in big hanger..magician..huge table jellies cakes etc..party...from dad...was gt....yes big hanger kept heritage listed...Lloyd sports club in it now...with huge golf all around vaste area was Heston airport......gov and BA..thought for yrs to be the London airport then heathrow chosen,,,gdads brother chucked out of his rented cott... more >>

  • Re: ATC Southall by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 6-Aug-2013
    On one of our visits to Heston, we were shown some Boston Bombers.I had a Canadian cousin wfo flew in Boston bombers.Later he was transferred to Lancasters, and sadly killed on a raid on Germany.

  • Re: ATC Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Aug-2013
    so grateful we are to the Canadian polish usa raf..fliers.we went to Canada chap in his back garden but not talk of his sadness war.europe....DENIS..JUST TO SAY PHOTO OF LADY MARG REOPENED LATE sept 1939after airraid.shelters put in around the back playground..looks like centre staircase..windows centre tower but think around the back with 2 floors class windows either side..centre stairs...is thi... more >>

  • Re: ATC Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 6-Aug-2013
    Thanks Yvonne i dont recall the shelter in the playground but it would not have been gone long as i started at Lady Marg. Rd 1948, i remember we used to play jacks or fives i think they were called on the steps at the back of the toilets. What site are the pics of Lady Marg. school 1939 on please Yvonne.

  • Re: ATC Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 6-Aug-2013
    The playground was around the back & both sides

  • Re: ATC Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 6-Aug-2013
    Yes Michael the Leigh light Bostons where fitted with a large searchlight in the nose I belive for night fighter dutys but were soon converted back to bombers this work was carried out at Heston & Wharton in Lancashire

  • Re: ATC Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 6-Aug-2013
    That sould be Warton Lancasire.

  • Re: ATC Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Aug-2013
    DENIS.......PAIMAGES.IN GOOGLE......ONE PHOTO.ONLY...BACK OF SCHOOL...TOWER IN THE MIDDLE GLASS WINDOWS STAIRS UP...2 FLOORS CLASSROOM WINDOWS....EACH SIDE........... 20 SEPT 1939 REOPENED NEW SHELTER LAYED LONG.NARROW.WITH OPENING AT SCHOOL BUILDING END.....WHERE WAS HALL DENIS IN THE MIDDLE PERHAPS.......SAYS BACK HERE WAS PLAYGROUND 1939.....1965 PHOTO GRASSED OVER...ANIMALS SHEEP ETC THEY HAD ... more >>

  • Re: ATC Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Aug-2013
    paimages ..came...up....in slot type southall school 1939............let us know if you agree lady marg.......thanks...1948 gone...lucky..dormers girls...old concrete entrance dome..like ..icehouse..was there till 1970 then demolished...ha....cobweb dark dank hole...yes jacks..fives..gt game...small rubber ball..metal jacks..was gt..and cubes.plaster .nice they were and similar game....catch on ha... more >>

  • Re: ATC Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 6-Aug-2013
    Thanks Yvonne, yes Irish spitfire dig everything came from the bog in good nik IrishY army cleaned machine guns & used ammo from the dig then fired them on an army range they functioned perfectly, buried in peat no oxegen now rust. Its is a repeat but will watch again.

  • Re: ATC Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 6-Aug-2013
    I remember how the corners used to wear of the plaster cubes.

  • Re: ATC Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Aug-2013
    yes next week.it on....will watch dan snow good......yes 5 stones soft plaster ...but great game balance on back of hand....catch etc..soft small rubber ball....yo yo...etc...hoola hoop...skates.........my cousins had dad made stilts....

  • Re: ATC Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Aug-2013
    roy Bartlett of west middx..ealing Northolt...author ..gives talks at ealing library...free read through pages on google....here ..scroll through pages ..good read his bk boys war...he was local.............http://books.google.ca/books?id=Ib_WnAC8eAsC&pg=PA113&dq=lived+in+Northolt&hl=en&sa=X&ei=mVq_UfzyLevA4APpwIDoCg&ved=0CC4Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=lived%20in%20Northolt&f=false
    in google you will find it.....

  • Re: ATC Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 7-Aug-2013
    Cant get PAIMAGES to download Yvonne.

  • Re: ATC Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Aug-2013
    just done it...in google..........paimages.co.uk..................it is press association ..........submit there slot type southall school 1939.........or in google type southall school 1939........and up comes the link...........in google try all ways ..one photo.....lady marg shelters 1939.seems......school.windows tower...............Pauline just found .lots photos will try get on..later...time... more >>

  • Re: ATC Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Aug-2013
    BOARD15 PAULINE 1948 GREENFORD..BUS GOING WEST..past north row of shops with..sign between shops..to car park..which is down alley behind north row of high st shops..going to southall from east acton..many hoover factory used it......old bus 105 old windows .front and engine.area...adverts halls wine...and denture product...............other is 223 very old.small bus Ruislip areas.with double deck... more >>

  • Re: ATC Southall by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 7-Aug-2013
    My dad made us all five stones when he worked at the AEC. They were gold coloured - probably brass, and were very heavy when they landed on your hands.

  • Re: ATC Southall by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 7-Aug-2013
    When I went home from Cow & Gate Milk Depot near Western Avenue roundabout, I used to wait for a bus there. I believe it went along the Ruislip road, down Mornington road to Allenby road way. When I had to post letters for the firm and walk to a post box, sometimes in the dark at 14, I used to catch a bus just past the Red Lion. Looking at Greenford Broadway 1938 on Southallboard15, the bus stop i... more >>

  • Re: ATC Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 7-Aug-2013
    Yvonne just got the pic up, certain thats not the back of Lady Marg. school at the back were the assembly halls infants downstairs & juniors upstairs thay ran the full length with a stairwell at each end, there would not be room for a glazed brick tower in the middle thats 64 yrs ago.

  • Re: ATC Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 7-Aug-2013
    59 YRS AGO NOT 64.

  • Re: ATC Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Aug-2013
    you are gd denis...some say dormers....but me thinks..no....oh my god Pauline got 1936/7 aerial photos canal spikes pk..not built bottom houses you told us...spaces gaps...west ave there etc....will get..for you...fantastic photos..Britain above..in google..1937 1936

  • Re: ATC Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Aug-2013
    1936/7 gap spaces of to be Berwick etc...have enlarges snipped...etc...dozen snips...sent to ron zeta..for their excited reply...bridge looks gt...Lancaster wks etc...lady marg pub distance...by cranleigh side...see what our friends new Zealand oz..say of their 1950 and before memories..old aerial gt photos..pre 1937 around yrs.....1928 nan dad there west ave...Carlyle there of gdads brother lived... more >>

  • Re: ATC Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 7-Aug-2013
    Thanks Yvonne, i certainly dont think its Dormers ether i dont think its in Southall atall. Its funny but everyone has memorory of Tudor Rd. fetherstone Rd. North Rd. ect but there seems very few memorys of Lady Margaret Rd infants & juniors.

  • Re: ATC Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Aug-2013
    animals.lady marg..sheep etc..1960s...they looked after some school animals there..friends reunited school site may have some more info....memories...nice school

  • Re: ATC Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Aug-2013
    board 15 1937 etc spikes ..etc.etc..loads photos there...flickr.....105 bus.1948 and 223 old photo oldbus Ruislip etc...

  • Re: ATC Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 8-Aug-2013
    Tried freinds reunited very little on there.

  • Re: ATC Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Aug-2013
    oh shame...such bad site now changes..it used to be si good quick easy to use...most people who chat of lady marg school seem to be 60s pupils...good school though....

  • Re: ATC Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Aug-2013
    denis ..so interesting photo.s..spikes 1937 aerial.and lady marg...in...google....Britain..from..air.....photos...aerial..time of change....gt open spaces going over to more build houses.....rare photo 1948 105 bus.shops..has had loads viewing yesterday...on your denis flickrsite link to it under comments...at your 1st photos....just click link have put there for you..flickr15...and 11...in your comment box under.

  • Re: ATC Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Aug-2013
    denis Pauline 2 gt new photos detail new pavilion spikes...cricket training etc..high hopes sport uk...Olympics..sport many places now new..cost loads but we get world gold etc...board15...click link on your own denis site comment put there.a link.opens ok.click denis see..15...and...11

  • Re: ATC Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 8-Aug-2013
    Thanks Yvonne just got board 15 up super pics Spikes, Evelyn Grove & Lady Marg. Road all gleaming new concrete, that must be how mum & dad rememberd it when they moved into the flat in the late 1930s.

  • Re: ATC Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Aug-2013
    so pleased you get boards now .lots viewings they had yesterday.....54 boards....yes 1937 aerial amazing...bottom northcote ave spikes pk canal.brookside amaze bridge....ascot .evelyn..says lady marg pub there in photos...site in google..Britain from above ..people put blue tags on to mark.remembered places....1920s 30s aerial photos...so lucky.....gas..factories...canal...park....hayes etc etc...

  • Re: ATC Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Aug-2013
    more denis ...board15 now

  • Re: ATC Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 8-Aug-2013
    So meny good pics i have bookmarked the boards as i get them downloaded.

  • Re: ATC Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Aug-2013
    good lovely...54 boards 3 yrs now of ours...

  • Re: ATC Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Aug-2013
    todays gazette ...Pauline...photo bankside...terrace...shrubs along canal edge..continual queue line of cargo barges...tarpaulin over....quite a few telegraph poles..along west edge.....gas holder..in distance....says busy 1905 ...photo after that..1970...came to end...kearley jam..came to end coal from Birmingham run came to end.....article is phil Sherwood boo around hayes through time ..often s... more >>

  • Re: ATC Southall by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 8-Aug-2013
    How lovely to see a picture of the barges with their cargo all covered with tarpaulin at Bankside canal in 1905. This picture is still firmly in my mind as a five year old. The canal had May trees all growing along by the towpath, but we always had a clear view of the Shire horses and the bargees when they came to the little bridge just opposite our house. The horses couldn't negotiate the bridge ... more >>

  • Re: ATC Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Aug-2013
    yes 30 yrs ..ha ...gazette....last week saw barge narrowboat leisure full brasses etc..folk art...and huge ..brass...light on the front....wonderful made lamp....so interesting to here your window see lights...yes 1909 etc..looks like may trees hawthorn..........ticklers jam tins...brent rd..canal 1st war went...canal helped all factories cargo...and rail...kearley took over...old jamole...they ca... more >>

  • Re: ATC Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Aug-2013
    gt youtube.....in google....canal colour..yeading off spikes...to Kensal green..camera on front boat.....lovely...timelapse.....easy in google find...film...

  • Re: ATC Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Aug-2013
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pspqEEzHDdg

    and gt uxbridge bulls bridge spikes to yeading...so lovely canal film......

  • Re: ATC Southall by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 9-Aug-2013
    Just received my copy of Around Hayes Through Time by Philip Sherwood from Amazon, can highly recommend it; particularly as Amazon are selling it for £9.59.

  • Re: ATC Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Aug-2013
    good..lovely..photos in it....Sherwood was in front row of Heston airport talk we went to..he goes to most things...lies local..lifetime.....more photos board15

  • Re: ATC Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Aug-2013
    oh thought denis........so denis..Sherwood was at the Heston talk we all went to......yes lots bks by him many yrs gt author gt photos ..all yrs back....

  • Re: ATC Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 9-Aug-2013
    Thanks Yvonne yes remember Heston talk i really enjoyed it.

  • Re: ATC Southall by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 9-Aug-2013
    Good to see the old Regent theatre in Hayes town on Southallboard 15. We went there several times while we were living in Hayes for a short time. Only act I remember was "Wilson, Keppel and Betty, who used to do the famous Sand Dance. Also nice to see the old band stand in Southall Park. I remember there was often a band playing there on a Sunday afternoon, and the men were all dressed in their un... more >>

  • Re: ATC Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Aug-2013
    lovely sand dance seen them several times tv..roy castle took them off ..doing it also....lots grt brass bands etc southall through yrs.....more gd board15 ..just now...glad you like....start of spikes.new millions £s..training etc..loads money going into..sport there..use the land..

  • Re: ATC Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Aug-2013
    Pauline....mike.....lady says was small theatre in southall park...but gone by 1950........anybody remember it...thanks......

  • Re: ATC Southall by Chris (Member 10220786) on 9-Aug-2013
    Don't remember a theatre as such Yvonne but I do recall an open stage with seating in the Rose gardens next to the playground area (swings roundabouts etc). I was last there in appx 1962. Special events were staged there. Local ballet school; 'pop groups of the day etc.

  • Re: ATC Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 9-Aug-2013
    Yes i remember the small stage in Southall park it was very near the rose garden but i think it was a couple years after 1950 that it closed.

  • Re: ATC Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Aug-2013
    gt you 2 well done...yes thought was that there into 1950 yrs...gt to hear ballet...and ..up to 1962 ish....open stage seats by swings playground...roose garden...lovely.......ta

  • Re: ATC Southall by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 10-Aug-2013
    I also recall the bandstand and band of long ago,also the stage in the Rose Garden.
    The V1 which fell in that area in 1944 would have not helped the stage! This V1 also brought the ceiling down on my bed in North Road!

  • Re: ATC Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Aug-2013
    THANKS ,,MIKE....1944 BOMB..YES..1962 IT SEEMED TO FINISH ..OPEN STAGE IN ROSE GARDEN..CIRCLE .rose garden..PLACE....SEATS AROUND.....BAND ETC....THANKS....1950 TIMES AND BEFORE...THANKS...

  • Re: ATC Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Aug-2013
    youtube....films...in google...good ...aec southall story.................and hayes to southall canal.....etc slough ..Northolt etc....

  • Re: ATC Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Aug-2013
    and youtube film.....southall water tower......from top of gas holder the straight....

  • Re: ATC Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Aug-2013
    tonight...now...bbbc2 hairy bikers...150 yrs London tube....steam..over 100yrs old engine...shiny..train.....nostalgia wembley to Amersham.trip for 150 yrs tube...sunny....was 3 old pence....trip is £ 30...food.....but 1910 was buffet car....met line.......gt to see.....

  • Re: ATC Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Aug-2013
    Pauline,....rare photo board15....this week gazette..new bk by Sherwood hayes...photo old gas..old bankside house...may shrubs bushes....says how busy along 1905....long row line of barges going along....telegraph poles close all along west bank canal there.....no cars..neat terraces old bankside...gas holder...war bomb hayes uxb rd.demolish photo.....

  • Re: ATC Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 12-Aug-2013
    Thanks for board 15 Yvonne i now know where the V2 came down in Hayes Crown Parade

  • Re: ATC Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Aug-2013
    yes that it..denis..the account war bombing..in google...Northolt airports spits...north...then uxbridge rd...then south hayes high st...machine gunning..fights over...Nazi planes chase...etc...let along huge graves of emi..bombing...
    hayes

  • Re: ATC Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Aug-2013
    1965 photo...there..... back.of lady marg quadrangle classrooms around..seems....grass..primary...nice big modern windows 1937/8 built possible lady marg..good windows...

  • Re: ATC Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 12-Aug-2013
    Yes Yevonne seen pic of Lady Margaret school not sure it is from inside the quadrangle it is a 2 story building on all 4 sides but if my memory serves me right it was grassed

  • Re: ATC Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Aug-2013
    lovely..but definitely lady marg1965.home guard on tv..Saturday morning 17 aug..Osterley pk..reel history programme called..Osterley home guard war..there......bbc 2...might be about 9.10 am....more links.at your flickr place have put for you to click..opens ok.....

  • Re: ATC Southall by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 12-Aug-2013
    Ok thanks.

  • Re: ATC Southall by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 12-Aug-2013
    Thanks Yvonne for the picture of Bankside on Southallboard15. That's the first one I've ever seen of just the old terraced cottages before the new houses that we lived in were built. Couldn't see anything of the bridge that was there when we were there in the 1930's though, and there were far more May trees then.

  • Re: ATC Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Aug-2013
    marvellous rare photo then..1905 ish yrs...as you say old..later had new ones...also later there..lovely..long line barges busy....countryfile bbc tv freeview.on channel 19..lovely of canal lock etc..>
  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Oct-2013
    who were the 4 local ....who ...died......names......thanks.....3 aircrew but 4 on the ground

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by Carol (Member 10254505) on 27-Oct-2013
    Tom - great historical interest, keep safe for future generations. I hate the thought of old photos etc. just being thrown away.

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 27-Oct-2013
    Without getting in to loft and finding the book to confirm, the Reid family comes to mind. There was brother and sister, both going to Lady M School. I thing the Girl was called Janet and the brother was known as buster, that's as I knew him so cannot remember his proper name. Buster was in my class at Lady M School, so was obviously the same age as me.

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Oct-2013
    yes got it as carol..read......at next link....down below....comments down there..under my pleasant.........4 at the houses died...who were the other 3....3 air crew died......not worry loft..shame but not to worry thanks...

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 27-Oct-2013
    Right I have been into the loft and found old scrapbook. The unfortunate ones are listed as,
    Carol Reid aged 11, Ronald Reid aged 10, Mrs Eliza Gibbons aged 45 and baby son Kevin age one month. The aircrew being Capt Peter May get, first officer Gerald Ate a, engineer Dennis Howard. Lots of pictures one of John Leady and Charlie Stocker who were one of the first there.

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 27-Oct-2013
    2nd attempt at the names, captain Peter Mayger,and Gerald Altena. I,m blaiming the predictive text on my tablet.

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Oct-2013
    THANKS tom...good of you ..they said young ones...

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 27-Oct-2013
    What Carol said l absolutely agree. On Saturday mornings there is a big market near us where a lot of people who do house clearances sell all the stuff. Lovely old photos and family memories all thrown away, discarded for the wind and rain to carry them away every week. It is very sad to see.

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by Carol (Member 10254505) on 28-Oct-2013
    I'm really interested in genealogy and have done loads of research on my family so any photographs etc are of real interest to me. Had a big family in Southall but now all gone except for one still hanging on. Family buried in Havelock and Hortus Cemetery. Cherish every old photo I can get hold of. See people on TV selling family war medals for a pittance. Why?

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 28-Oct-2013
    Carol becaues a lot of veterans are not well off

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 28-Oct-2013
    Carol becaues a lot of veterans are not well off

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 28-Oct-2013
    Carol becaues a lot of veterans are not well off, or to there relatives the money means more than the deed

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by Carol (Member 10254505) on 28-Oct-2013
    Denis - I don't mean the veterans themselves but family who are selling granddad's or great granddad's medals. I don't think I would be selling them if I was lucky enough to have any of my family's medals, but then we are not all the same are we?

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Oct-2013
    yes ours buried Havelock..ancestry find my past.gt free indexes in google..electoral role.military..gdad enlisted king st office.1st war.hounslow huge barracks..often fuselliers .most many.....2nd war dad etc army from southall......lots photos in google..southall etc..southall green northhyde norwood green..yrs1900s onwards..large families..several..are still related to each other by marriage or ... more >>

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 28-Oct-2013
    Yes it is a great sadness seeing old photos strewn about the ground because there is no money in them, and many are young men in uniform. The young today have no ideas about war and what people went through. Some think they're clever being able to get a few quid for granddad's medals without ANY comprehension of what granddad went through (via being conscripted, so he had no choice), to earn t... more >>

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by Tom flynn (Member 10263070) on 28-Oct-2013
    Hi Yvonne, I have been trying to find info on my Dad ref the war etc, can you give me the full web site address, so I can have a play.

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by Carol (Member 10254505) on 28-Oct-2013
    Hi Tom - I've just sent for my dad's army records. There are forms online you can download. My granddad was in the Grenadier Guards and there was a different address to send for them. Got these a couple of years or so back.

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 28-Oct-2013
    Carol in the past there have been vets who have sold there Victoria Crosses to stave off poverty. A lot of people today are more interested in money than great deeds done by g/dad or dad its all about money in this day & age.

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 28-Oct-2013
    Tom try RAF Innsworth Gloucestershire they keep personnel records i got my uncles from there, or join the National Archives at Kew London it costs just over £3 per search you can search on line happy hunting.

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by Carol (Member 10254505) on 28-Oct-2013
    Yes Denis, can understand if you are desperate for money. My mum's brother was killed in WW1 and body never found, just name on a memorial plaque in France and also in St Johns in Southall. Often wonder what happened to his medal, did family sell it? Probably. A young lad killed for apparently nothing.

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 28-Oct-2013
    Like you Carol my uncle died in WW1 RAF but where his medals whent i dont know but certain medals were issued as a matter of course but they get lost over a period somebody some where probably has them wondering who your relative was. Again RAF Innsworth mite be able to help or Kew one of them will be able to tell you what medals ... more >>

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Oct-2013
    carol yes nans brother blown to bits arras.1917 they send you photo of plinth..british cemetery with.40000 names..no corpse.....we have the ..death penny 4 inch plaque sent to all next kin from acton made....his name on it..scroll with it ..from king......on war memorial name...yes in churches..names..on....in schools Featherstone .boys 1st 2nd war southall school.stone .memorial..western rd now..... more >>

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by Carol (Member 10254505) on 28-Oct-2013
    Sure there must have been a medal or something issued for those killed in WW1 but as you say get lost over time. Seems easier to find records etc. for WW1 personnel but harder for WW2. They don't even issue full records to next of kin unless they have been dead for more than 25 years.

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 28-Oct-2013
    Sorry Carol your uncle was army try Kew.

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by Carol (Member 10254505) on 28-Oct-2013
    I already have a copy of his medal card obtained from Kew, just says presumed died. Also know he enlisted in Hounslow in 1914. From the date he died and from where his name is on memorial, also which regiments fought where - I have found out he was killed at the Battle of Aubers Ridge. Have book about the battle. Think I have found out all I possibly can about him and how and when he died. Ju... more >>

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Oct-2013
    death penny was sent to all next kin ..in post...those died 1st war plaque 4 inches.with name .on..and scroll from king............british legion can help.....Hounslow barracks since 1750...yes most local..ours were Hounslow....fuselliers......northhyde ours...yours Hammond rd.....3 service medals to 2nd war ..pip squeak Wilfred.......papers images service....injury pension..etc...in ancestry ..mi... more >>

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Oct-2013
    telegram came to old rented dwelling next kin..he died 1917.april...battle..30000 died.....entered in little bible in pencil...no corpse..name call and dog tags if found give names of dead.....Hounslow barracks fuseliers.were..nearly all my family were 1st war...dad and his brother army 2nd war.........as hubbys family also......

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 28-Oct-2013
    As you say records WW1 easy to find not WW2 my dad was home guard records non existent very sketchy if any.

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 30-Oct-2013
    Carol if your uncle has no known grave he will be recorded on the Menine Gate near Ypers in Belgium, not sure spelt Menine correctly.

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by Carol (Member 10254505) on 30-Oct-2013
    Hi Denis - I know that his name is on Le Touret Memorial in France, Panel 32 & 33. Pictures of these panels are online but can't read the names. Would his name be on the Menin Gate as well?

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by Carol (Member 10254505) on 30-Oct-2013
    I know his name is on the plaque in St Johns Church in Southall, pictures are online. Strange to think been in the church for weddings and funerals but never knew the plaques were there. Never even knew his name at the time. My mum was born two years after he died in 1915 so she never knew him. He was aged 21 when he died but another two brothers also died before she was born, both in 1916, on... more >>

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Oct-2013
    carol..we have nans brother name on france ..bay...france commonwealt war grave photo did sent to us...say kin..close.....maidenhead photo dept..cwg.....email..on line....lovely photo name with alphabetical section..6 other names in photo..with photo s of whole places there arras.........menin..no he would not be on that..we have been to menin.....photos..names wood board st john...in google...rea... more >>

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by Carol (Member 10254505) on 30-Oct-2013
    Thanks Yvonne - yes didn't think to send for photo where his name is recorded. I will write to them. Seems appropriate as we are approaching Remembrance Day. Don't know whether his name is recorded anywhere else in Southall, outside school etc.

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Oct-2013
    if he went to featherst 1915 before most boys did he will be on names stone statue....have photo of st john board....free photo france from maidenhead photo service.cwg. say near kin....cwg photo section..month later comes in post from france.cwg dept ....3 photos ..southall cenotaph said not money many names carve but boolet in ealing local hist library ealing broadway with all names.....

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by Carol (Member 10254505) on 30-Oct-2013
    OK thanks. I do have photo of plaque inside St Johns. Thinking now that he didn't go to school in Southall. In 1911 census age 16 he was living in Hayes. His name was William John Feast.

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Oct-2013
    1911...if you have image of the page it gives his address....the censusman register area was called hyes sub district of uxbridge...for southall green......in ancestry or find past indexes....hayes uxb.......is also for southall norwood in 1911.....hayes hayes uxbridge means living in hayes itself........st john...he and his family living in parish southall green..1915...enlist and death.........b... more >>

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Oct-2013
    le touret lots photos in google etc......just north of my nans brother...went Portsmouth ship..to Dieppe Boulogne...touret ..is due east..into france.....at Bethune....my nans brother got off ship 1916..across to lens...which is south of your touret .pas de Calais....battle.lens..then april 1917 huge battle arras..30000 died no grave...huge memorial bays stone....his name is bay 3..royal fusellier... more >>

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by Carol (Member 10254505) on 30-Oct-2013
    Yvonne, in 1911 he was living at Clayton Road, Hayes and is listed as being a Machine Attendant in a chair factory. The family moved to Southall in 1912. Thanks for help.

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Oct-2013
    lovely...yes x chair famous know of it....so hayes school...gd luck

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Oct-2013
    the death penny plaque would have gone to his next kin..1919/20 ish..in post....they would have got the telegram
    like ours did

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by Carol (Member 10254505) on 30-Oct-2013
    Sent email requesting photo. Probably take longer with Remembrance Day coming up. Story mum told me was that sister was cleaning front step when telegram arrived. Probably one of older sisters kept medal. As I said, my mum was born two years later, youngest of big family. Older sisters were having their own children when she was born.

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Oct-2013
    yes sad to get that at door.....I have photocopy of the plaque...it goes to brother.but they have kept it beautifully.....email attach on my computer so can enlarge it...saw him..kings royal rifle corps...Hounslow barracks so big they had several groups there..rifleman.21 .born 1894 young man..may 1915 about 9th ish..number..good you have done...good luck..got mine oh 7yrs ago ish....read of battl... more >>

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 30-Oct-2013
    Just a thought Carol there was a Roll of Honour printed for Southall men who served in WW1 it may be that he appears in it. It may be worth contacting Jonathan Oates at Ealing Library to see if they hold a copy and could check it for you.

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Oct-2013
    yes put above to her already told carol.....that yes oates has booklet all borough death include southall.....and also civilian..list...thanks yes good thing colin....

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by Carol (Member 10254505) on 30-Oct-2013
    Thanks Colin. I'm sure his name must be on Roll of Honour being as his name is in St Johns. He was Rifleman in the Kings Royal Rifle Corps, 2nd Bn. died 9th May 1915, age 21. Just reading again about the Battle of Aubers. Machine gunned down going over the top, some killed before they even got off ladders.

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Oct-2013
    same as our one 5.30 am..going over top...gunned down..early...barbed wire trap everywhere...battle arras 17apr...fuseliers..so many died..no name grave.....name on bay ..only........1917..

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 31-Oct-2013
    Carol the Menin Gate is said to record all the troops with no known graves

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by Carol (Member 10254505) on 31-Oct-2013
    Thanks Denis. Will investigate more. Have ordered photo of plaque at Le Touret Memorial and asked Ealing about Roll of Honour. Been reading again about the Aubers battle and how this seems to have been one of the forgotten battles of WW1. The Kings Royal Rifle Corps lost 15 officers and 248 men. Only 16 have known graves. 11,000 men lost in one day and hardly a mention.

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 31-Oct-2013
    Like you i had an uncle who died in Nov. 1918 my dads brother he was in the RAF. i did not know of his existence until 1998 i found out through a friend who is interested in military history, dad never said a word.

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by Carol (Member 10254505) on 31-Oct-2013
    Only through researching family history have I found out so much. My dad never mentioned anything that happened when he was in the army in WW2. Have photos of him in uniform and at work (think it's in the desert somewhere). He was in the well boring section of the Royal Engineers. I never asked any questions, not like I would now as there are so many questions that are now left unanswered. Fe... more >>

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 31-Oct-2013
    dad and his brother 2 nd war army...were north Africa...through Italy......came home...uncle had shrapnel..leg....died elderly but hospital said ..metal in him..caused the end....denis...lots info which names.on menin gate ..in google belgium..........says ..those who are on there.......it is clear in google...which battles..are on there names no grave........we went to menin gate 8 yrs ago....1st... more >>

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 31-Oct-2013
    menin....ypres .salient...battles..passchendale...names carved no grave.....last post done...Belgium honour for their freedom...so pleased we managed to get there once...on way to bruges holiday......then all the other memorials france Belgium etc..no grave names .bays carved...1st war......http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menin_Gate

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 31-Oct-2013
    My father was injured-bullet through leg- in 1918.He was in the Rifle Brigade.His younger brother was killed in 1916 at Ypres

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 31-Oct-2013
    Yes thanks Yvonne thats why i mentioned it to Carol last post 7 o/clock every night Menin fire brigade

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 31-Oct-2013
    My dad was in the Royal Horse Artillery in the first World War. Although he told us as children that he was in France, not once did he mention the dead and the dying or anything about the battle itself. I can only remember him saying that all the trenches were always full up with water as it was always raining and that all of them had dysentery. He did tell us that his elder sister, who was an off... more >>

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 31-Oct-2013
    that's interesting..so many of the horses went and few returned...the .good book written by morpurgo we had at shelf .good read and the gt stage show..queen popped into..at London one night..such clever puppet work.1st war horses joey

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 31-Oct-2013
    You are right most horses never returned the ones that were left where killed to feed the troops.

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 31-Oct-2013
    couple weeks ago they spoke of the figures on tv,,.small.% came home..get back work horses farms etc....uk...warhorse .on tv again tnight item..lovely to see the loely brown.horse figures clever...theatre..show.1st war

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 31-Oct-2013
    There is a monument to all the horses & mules ect. killed in wars in Park Lane London which was the the idea of Jilly Copper.

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 31-Oct-2013
    yes remember they spoke on tv of it.......pigeons were the other gt creature of wars...museum to them at..Bletchley pk hut...

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by Bill Henley (Member 10272156) on 2-Nov-2013
    Ealing library have the 1915 roll of honour but interestingly it does not have my grandfather's name although he was at the same time listed in the roll of honour in the gazette newspaper. It does have photographs and details of a couple of my grandfather's mates who he mentions in his diary as being killed. The 1915 editions of the gazette also has photographs and obituaries of soldiers mentioned... more >>

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Nov-2013
    bill ...brent rd junction western rd..the tall stone war memorial.names carved..with soldier on top..my photos has gas holder behind....we took it...it is in the fence grounds of the new .primary school..by 105 bus stop west side.on the grass of the new school..it was moved ffrom demolished Featherstone rd school to there..not that many yrs ago..........................it used to be in .Feathersto... more >>

  • Re: AEC World War Tw0 by Linda (Member 10291388) on 11-Feb-2014
    Yes Jean, Wendy Sutherland is my sister and we lived in derley road, I know she would thrilled to hear from any of you, she can be contacted through me at lindalovesdoulas@gmail.com. Xxx

 
Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by JG (Member 10283035) on 17-Oct-2013
Hi, was just wondering whether anyone had any information or pictures of what was Mount Pleasant Hospital.
Anything would be great!
  
  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 17-Oct-2013
    never seen photo of it...dilys lived up there and remembered it being demolished..for flats....1961 nan there....mike..was in there as child....lots people remember it 30s 40s onwards...never heard of photo....try ealing broadway for southall local history library...got lots photos ..email librarian mr oates....local history bks notseen it there...fever hospital isolation....then old peoples hospi... more >>

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 17-Oct-2013
    in google 2008 now nursing home...complex,,,120 beds...day centre in the corner...newbuildins.all there...britton drive..mt pleasant ..north top of north rd.........http://ezitis.myzen.co.uk/mountpleasant.html
    1904 to 1990...isolation hosp..fever tb.scarlet fever......later geriatrics...wooden huts added...new ward built add29 beds to the 50 beds....largegarden 2 gardeners.

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 17-Oct-2013
    bupa.....looks very nice large....nursing home for elderly....built on site now..nice interiors exteriors...in google......called manor ct...original gates though..says.....http://www.bupa.co.uk/individuals/care-homes/choosing-a-bupa-care-home/find-a-care-home/manor-court-nursing-home-southall

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 18-Oct-2013
    Yes,Yvonne, I was in the hospital during the Munich Crisis in 1935,with Scarlet Fever-the other paty was for Diphtheria patients.

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 18-Oct-2013
    I was also in the "Scarlet Fever" hospital, as we all used to call it. The first time was in 1938 when I was six years old. I remember my baby brother David was also in the same ward in a cot. He was crying once and didn't stop, so I got out of bed and cuddled him and hummed "The Skater's Waltz" to him that my parents always did when the babies were young. The second time I went into the hospital ... more >>

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Oct-2013
    that's lovely skaters walz....my aunt had bad whooping cough as child.but luckily got over it.....baby had menigitus died 1947 age 2.buried Havelock.....worrying times..

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 18-Oct-2013
    Sorry, Munich Crisis was 1938-they put the sandbags up then.I also remember visitors talking rhrough the windiows.

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 19-Oct-2013
    thanks mike that's interesting thanks

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 19-Oct-2013
    the hospital
    http://ezitis.myzen.co.uk/mountpleasant.html

    1937 map of whole areas ...and buildings of the hospital..
    http://www.antiquaprintgallery.com/middlesex-dormers-wells-mount-pleasant-southall-west-end-1937-old-map-73598-p.asp
    in google.....

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 19-Oct-2013
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d3AH0-eSL4&client=mv-google&guid=&gl=US&hl=en-GB&ref=nf&app=desktop

    excellent well done ytube...plays ok....Feltham..bedfont .hanworth..yrs back.....very gd liked by many..as good film....in google..FBH these are the days of our lives.youtube

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Oct-2013
    mike...best wishes....you may know..40s and yrs around....behind holy trinity church..park view rd......the mansion house...ivy cottage...youth centre area.....but was it a halfway house for the homeless waiting to get on the housing list...run by mr blickfeidt chief chemist......our site here we did have a lady who said she was orphaned etc..her family homeless around those yrs..and spoke of bein... more >>

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Oct-2013
    just used our index to our site..google.entered it ....july 2010 entry..it was Janice ..spoke of the grand mansion..gone now...but huge garden..the children played...yes rest centre...one room..they had...waiting for council hse......mr meads bk says mr blickfeidt lived ivy cottage mansion.there 1900s 1920 ish..as chief chemist for monsted margarine..........Janice....joyce ireson remembers the re... more >>

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 20-Oct-2013
    I have been trying to remember the names of any of the other children-only one comes to mind-Heather Kerridge.

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Oct-2013
    thanks mike

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Oct-2013
    in google....index for our back pages.......mt pleasant...1991 demolished...new old peoples home built there.instead....august 2003 chat here back pages....1950 Purcell hse council flats built by it....photos old hospital..bound to be at ealing library...or they can get some from..the nursing..associations....yr 1900...to 1991...old building huts etc...photos might be with southall norwood hospital photos....

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Oct-2013
    david ward.......mike

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 20-Oct-2013
    Talking about the Isolation hospital, I'm sure I can remember some children having to go there with Scabies! Does anyone else remember this.

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Oct-2013
    lack of vit c..the war yrs also hard for fresh fruit

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 20-Oct-2013
    Pauline,
    When I was in the fever hospital,one boy was in a seperate room with Impetigo-other kids had a milder form

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 20-Oct-2013
    Michael, both impetigo and scabies is very contagious as you know. When I was young, they were both regarded by other people that it was because you were dirty. My brother brought it in, and it soon went round most of us. I got it in my hair and had to have all my hair shaved off. When I was ready to go back to school, I wore a pixie hat, and the girl who sat next to me brought a letter in from he... more >>

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Oct-2013
    sometimes terrible times..fear of ..not knowing..enough...so people behaving badly.........in google it is clear on impetigo..from poor living conditions..yrs ago..bacteria..skin..and then like so many child..complaints so very contagious..in its active stage.......kids close together

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Oct-2013
    1914....they call it..fever hospital and sanatorium....at north rd 1914...if you are looking .under a title in ealing library photos......only allotments by it...in 1914....let us know if you get photo...nan died there..would likephoto...thanks

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Carol (Member 10254505) on 21-Oct-2013
    My dad's sister died aged 9 of diptheria in 1936. Her death certficate says she died in the Isolation Hospital, Norwood. Assume it was the former Mount Pleasant Hospital, now Manor Court Nursing Home.

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Oct-2013
    yes if norwood Middlesex....norwood and southall 1936..ours died 1936.as well...sadness of those yrs........
    ..........norwood south London..is different.....

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Carol (Member 10254505) on 22-Oct-2013
    Definitely Southall. My dad was born in Clarence Street, one of 14 children - large families back then. Mum was born in Hammond Road, large family as well. I was also born in Hammond Road and went to Dormers Wells, infants at Tudor Road.

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Oct-2013
    yes norwood middx then 1936....trying to find photo of the hospital..ealing library might have one.....yes we had family..by marriage to us had 14....1900s..to 1929...babies every 2 yrs...from 18/19 married....many 1880s etc had 12..or so..ours at norwood green 1850s yrs had 12....dormers .before 1966 myself..now pulled down...dad and his sister went there when it opened 1934....seniors.........tu... more >>

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 22-Oct-2013
    Hi Carol - What years were you at Tudor road school? I was there in the Infants from 1936 when I was five, and then on to the Juniors. Miss Hannett was the headmistress of the Infants school when I was there, and Miss Trent was headmistress of the Junior school. A really lovely little school where I was very happy.

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Carol (Member 10254505) on 22-Oct-2013
    Hi Pauline. I was there a bit later than you, must have been about 1951. I lived in the prefabs and they picked us up by coach to take us from school and then back home again. Then went to Dormers Wells Juniors just newly built. Remember one day I decided not to catch the coach and went home instead with another little girl. Walking on our own at that age seems unbelievable now. Think my mum ... more >>

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Oct-2013
    just about my yrs...yes walked alone..we were 1st class dormers infants juniors..1st opened sept 54....nice right south side field..lawn for lesson on summers day outside...maypole on grass,,nativity on stage xmas...junior s...path down to playground little curve brick wall...handstands or ball against....left path..to back..golflinks..wood..we went for nature lesson..walk alone..all across the gr... more >>

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Oct-2013
    burns ave was the other walk through to dormers lane...through to Carlyle ave..spikes bridge pk...1947 my aunt moved in prefabs when 1st built..nice gas fridge.fitted kitchen 2 bedroom..separate toilet bathroom....back square garden..little closed in door coal fire...living room.............friends reunited site has pupils..teachers listed..dormers..primary and seniors...1958ish..1960 miss morris ... more >>

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Carol (Member 10254505) on 24-Oct-2013
    Mr Owen was my class teacher, wore bicycle clips. Really liked him. We had to line up each morning with hands outstretched for inspection, one side and then the other. Mine were always clean but if they weren't then got smack with ruler. I lived at second parade, Greenford Road end, not far to walk to school. Ice skating on pond, climbing trees, drinking from stream, how did I survive? Happy ... more >>

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Lynette Ware (Member 10283192) on 24-Oct-2013
    I remember Mr Owen too. I loved living in the prefabs, Osborne Road, off of Flemming Road. Loved roller skating, wore the rubber on the wheels out. Lived closer to the other end of Flemming Road. Lived there till we had to move to 2nd Tower Block and the prefabs came down. I was 17 and moved with my dad. Lived in St. Andrews Tower till 1970

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Carol (Member 10254505) on 24-Oct-2013
    Remember the brick walls entrances from Greenford Road. Was a trough there as well presumably supposed to be for flowers but there never was any. There was a pathway by the side of the green going downhill, used to be great for roller skating, my sister broke her arm going down. We moved to the flats in Lady Margaret Road when the prefabs came down. Friend of mine moved to flats in Norwood Green... more >>

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Oct-2013
    must been sad sight see prefabs come down...mine there from 1947 when new.......greeford rd end 8th parade by path to bunny pk...pond used for fishing today..loads golf.......dormers primary cant remember teachers names except when 10/11,,last form teacher mrs parker did crafts embroidery silk threads .work..lovely lady..baskets made......roller skates had....seniors they mixed the boys with girls... more >>

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Carol (Member 10254505) on 24-Oct-2013
    Times sent to see Miss Morris sitting outside office. Otherwise sent outside class to stand in corridor and hope nobody saw you there to ask why. We had Miss Littler for English, Miss Dwyer for what we then called arithmatic - she was so small used to stand on tip toe. Miss Evans - nightmare. Miss Davies for PE. Mrs Maynard for cookery. Miss Pinkney with glass eye for French - couldn't contr... more >>

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Oct-2013
    yes skirts with net huge petticoats..evans was evil 4 yrs put up with her.....Gabriel geog...ellis hist...dwyer got married to cooper...English with her...fishel sci...maynard hut did washing hankies teatowel ironing....did cook..to gce..with lewis at in corridor class right side on way to hall..opposite milk room..inoculation room................lttler yes went back to ..2000 reunion..with coutts... more >>

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Carol (Member 10254505) on 24-Oct-2013
    Yes Miss Evans was evil. Remember sitting whole lesson in silence cos nobody could answer question. If you did know answer you didn't put hand up anyway. Only thing I ever learnt in her lesson was that Epiphany was on Jan 6th and can only remember that because she spat out the word Epiphany and showered front of class. Yes 4 years of her lessons was a nightmare. Sent outside class once, think ... more >>

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 24-Oct-2013
    Hi Carol could i ask which flats you lived in Lady Margaret road.

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Carol (Member 10254505) on 24-Oct-2013
    Hi - At the top end of Lady Margaret Road - 3 blocks - just round the corner from Taylor Woodrow. We were in the middle block.

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Oct-2013
    yes alllessons of evans...exactly like that 60 mins silence ..one question give...no answer.......one church going lovely pretty girl sat front row..tried to answer ..the riddle.....no.no no....the kid chris Collins was in floods tears...4 yrs all classes of school...stupid so called lessons like that nothing...she had never been to teacher train college.....salary ..wasted...kids complained....Of... more >>

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Oct-2013
    we were A stream 4 yrs....so that is all classes of school...had that one question thing every hour...she repeated.every class..while she leaned over the 30 kids....her bully to every single class in school..50s..she did it and 60s..that was all she did..complaints and nothing done..power mad .she was insane..and nothing done...hard working teachers of curriculum...many yrs now..earn their wages s... more >>

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Lynette Ware (Member 10283192) on 25-Oct-2013
    I think the only detention I had was a class detention from Miss Evans. She really was not a nice person. I cannot imagine any schools putting up with a teacher like her now, certainly not the schools that my children attended here in Canada. I was in Nightingale house and enjoyed my time at school but was glad to leave and earn money.

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Oct-2013
    nightingale yellow I think..curie .white.fry red..20yrs evans must have been there retired 1966.july...Ofsted.go in check schools regularily...since started 20yrs ago..she would have been sacked as soon as she started..Dorothy morris covered up for her .spinster gert evans the wages payed her rent....harmful to children.antisocial to staff.she was mad..complained about but nothing done..no teachin... more >>

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Carol (Member 10254505) on 25-Oct-2013
    I was in Darling House if memory serves me right. Dont remember the colours. I was in netball team and ran in relay on sports day. Remember javelin, discus, long jump, high jump, quite enjoyed the sporty things, except hated hockey, standing there freezing cold in goal with shin pads on not my idea of fun. Enjoyed lots of school time but hated some of it, didn't like being told what to do, bit... more >>

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Carol (Member 10254505) on 25-Oct-2013
    Sorry that should have been £3.10s.0d. a week getting old and new money mixed up. £2 to mum and £1.10s.0d for me.

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Oct-2013
    yes was that sort of money those days..I had to pay tube fares as well..they were dear..to white city...oxford circus also.taken from small wage pkt.....yes blue hse...grace darling....green hse was black woman who did good works.was it seacole..white hse curie..fry red....yes netball..out front net..or in the square area by .toilet block.off the cloakroom, block..by the old cobweb airraid concret... more >>

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Carol (Member 10254505) on 25-Oct-2013
    Can only remember Grace Darling, Florence Nightingale, Edith Cavell and Marie Curie. Seacole doesn't ring any bells.

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Carol (Member 10254505) on 25-Oct-2013
    Just thought - Elizabeth Fry

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Carol (Member 10254505) on 25-Oct-2013
    Apparently, the other house was Mary Slessor, but that doesn't ring any bells with me either. They couldn't have been a very popular house haaaa

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Oct-2013
    yes just found it..on our back pages...slessor....green...she was from Aberdeen Scotland died 1915 Africa missionary...yes6 houses.........knew Africa thought of famous..seacole with nightingale Crimean war......colour badges worn by sports house captains..think..navy blue .darling..hazel hockley wore good at hockey team sports captain....head girl was eliz sach..deputy..Valerie hardman..long thin... more >>

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Lynette Ware (Member 10283192) on 25-Oct-2013
    Yes, hated hockey as well. Remember Mrs. Short saying" you hit the ball, not jump over it." Quite enjoyed running and long jump but not the P.E. indoors going over the box. Carol, what was your last name at school and what years were you there? My first job was at Thomas Claytons on Sussex Road, Southall. It was in a old shop with outer buildings. My office was an old air raid shelter. Great place... more >>

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Lynette Ware (Member 10283192) on 25-Oct-2013
    Yes, hated hockey as well. Remember Mrs. Short saying" you hit the ball, not jump over it." Quite enjoyed running and long jump but not the P.E. indoors going over the box. Carol, what was your last name at school and what years were you there? My first job was at Thomas Claytons on Sussex Road, Southall. It was in a old shop with outer buildings. My office was an old air raid shelter. Great place... more >>

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Lynette Ware (Member 10283192) on 25-Oct-2013
    Yes, hated hockey as well. Remember Mrs. Short saying" you hit the ball, not jump over it." Quite enjoyed running and long jump but not the P.E. indoors going over the box. Carol, what was your last name at school and what years were you there? My first job was at Thomas Claytons on Sussex Road, Southall. It was in a old shop with outer buildings. My office was an old air raid shelter. Great place... more >>

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Lynette Ware (Member 10283192) on 25-Oct-2013
    Yes, hated hockey as well. Remember Mrs. Short saying" you hit the ball, not jump over it." Quite enjoyed running and long jump but not the P.E. indoors going over the box. Carol, what was your last name at school and what years were you there? My first job was at Thomas Claytons on Sussex Road, Southall. It was in a old shop with outer buildings. My office was an old air raid shelter. Great place... more >>

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Oct-2013
    the nice long thick scarf came in...green..with yellow stripe...good for the long winter dark afternoons.trek home..fog rain...warm scarf..early mornings all weathers....thebelt we had front metal.hook over little money zip bit in it..pleated navy skirt....cotton skirts dresses gingham....back of atage...used for costume make up.pirates penzance etc...moustache on girls....lessons used there wood ... more >>

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Carol (Member 10254505) on 25-Oct-2013
    Hi Lynette - I was at Dormers Wells Seniors from 1957 to 1961 and my name is Rycraft.

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Oct-2013
    just before us...but similar time to nice chris Putney.of north rd.......you were leaving as we arrived 1960 sept...stage show they did in the hall july 1960...gilbert and Sullivan.....was Dorothy morris there when you arrived....so she was there 15yrs..50s 60s......from far west wales.miss moris..she went back there at retire 1967 april .passed away......if she knew gert evans from wales...so she... more >>

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Carol (Member 10254505) on 25-Oct-2013
    I remember there was a fashion show staged and was filmed by the BBC. Must have been about 1960. Shown on one of the early evening newsnight programmes, cant remember what it was called. I was sitting in front row watching. When we knew it was going to be on TV sat down to watch and just as camera panned to where I was sitting the TV went wrong. Missed moment of fame haaa

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Oct-2013
    don't know of fashion show..but we only knew our class really..if 35 in class...about 4 forms..or 3 ...each yr...suppose 500./400 girls in school..4 yrs.... then later 6th form...good your tv show.. pity though...age 11 1st yr...2 schools at top of form...bbc tv.quizshow..1960 ish shackleton hall...two teams 6 or so in each sch..dormers team...hall by lady marg rd near geeenford ave....was filmed ... more >>

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Carol (Member 10254505) on 25-Oct-2013
    Shackleton Hall 1960 was at cousins wedding reception there.

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Oct-2013
    we had 3 wedding receptions there 1953 1957 1958.....weddings holy trinity..nice photos white dresses button holes..bridesmaid..dancing conga around the hall at end about 11 pm..musical chairs...good hall weddings evening party food drink..music..

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Carol (Member 10254505) on 25-Oct-2013
    My sister was married at Holy Trinity 1958, reception was at Conservative Club. I was bridesmaid.

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Carol (Member 10254505) on 25-Oct-2013
    What was the name of the hall just round the corner from the school in Allenby Road? Went to Coronation party there with my sister. Cant remember name of it.

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Oct-2013
    yes my cousins married 1958..holy trinity pretty church ..conserve hall still there in use....had my 21st there.....Allenby rd hall hut gone now....was for dormers seniors...did acting in there....they had youth club there many yrs by 105 bus stop....east side...gone now......kates gran married holy trinity 1953 aug,,carole born 1955...went feathers sch..lived Dudley rd...southall family goldsmith... more >>

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Oct-2013
    dormers seniors.......miss evans..presume of welsh origin..elderly.spinster....what am I thinking....to every class ..for donkeys yrs..silence hour..intimidation bully....eva jones PE....sue short.games .netball....dwyer married to be cooper..English...mrs coutts married name 1959 ish was there before under maiden name..music.limp...gt teacher..went to yr 2000 reunion..think she herself went to so... more >>

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 26-Oct-2013
    Yvonne- in your entry of 20th Oct,you mention Purcell house flats. I wondered if the name Purcell was connected to the Purcell sisters, two schoolgirls who were killed in an air raid in 1940

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Oct-2013
    that's interesting mike will try find out thanks..best wishes...

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Oct-2013
    on the site of your isolation hospital...britten drive....benjamin britten..music...and the flats....over 10 of them ..large flats there..called Purcell house....henry Purcell ..music....like the poets ..burns etc...southall council...chose so many famous names of streets etc.....lady marg longest rd in southall..lady margaret.after earl jersey family who owned so much land southall norwood green ... more >>

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Carol (Member 10254505) on 26-Oct-2013
    Have you seen the British Pathe news clip about the opening of Southall Hospital by the Lord Mayor of London in 1935? Also the air crash on Kelvin Gardens. My aunt and uncle lived at 43 Allendale Avenue. Their garden backed onto Kelvin Gardens and I can remember looking at devastation from their garden. Does anybody know the names of those who were killed?

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Oct-2013
    yes names are about...was in gazette and some people of the area still talk of it..crossed lady marg that morning the smell was awful....yes seen pathe ..ones..several films there...60 Allendale gdads sister 1928 to 1980..1st war widow..2 kids..girl got.married from front gate bridesmaids photo 1936......gibbons boy who got Carnegie medal for 14yrs old lad rescue work he did...haigh mayor southal... more >>

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Oct-2013
    in google several items..there
    http://www.itnsource.com/shotlist//RTV/1958/09/02/BGY503060061/

    7 people dead including 3 kids..included mum and new born baby...7.30 am Viking plane crash kelvin gdns

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Oct-2013
    14 yr old presentation award saved his 5 yr old nephew fron fire of crash..newsreel clip....photos....2 sept 1958...kelvin gdns,,,,,..http://londongrip.co.uk/2011/10/picking-through-the-bits/

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Oct-2013
    girl carol reed died.....3 crew died.4 at the houses died.7.30 am...8 injured......brian gibbons got king George medal bravery.rescue his nephew tom...back pages our site here 2004 jan..and down at 2005...
    http://londongrip.co.uk/2011/10/picking-through-the-bits/

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Oct-2013
    ealing library more info photos...gazette etc...was on tv news 1958...

  • Re: Manor Court Nursing Home - Was Mount Pleasant Hospital by North Road by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 26-Oct-2013
    Yvonne-thanks re Purcell House.

 
It's a shame by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 11-Oct-2013
I used to contribute to this (not very often) and many other Knowhere boards, but it's a shame that all the others have gradually died out. Even Ealing gets no new postings now. Thanks to all, especially Yvonne in particular for keeping this one going. I don't know why all the others, even local ones, get no new contributions even from old contributors, but it's a fact now. Thanks Yvonne   
  • Re: It's a shame by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Oct-2013
    ok..thanks.nice words appreciated greatly...xx.....2008 2010 you see loads southall Greenford etc..people....taken up..facebook....some sections local history.to fascinate.families friends school friends through generations yrs..........you get from several people.daily.instant replies and chat.response.all ages.........the site send you email to say postings...and photos at nearly every contribut... more >>

  • Re: It's a shame by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 11-Oct-2013
    I agree with all you say Keith, including the contribution of Yvonne.
    The towm where I live now(Harpenden,Herts) has only 72 contributions-quite a bit of advertising.

  • Re: It's a shame by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Oct-2013
    11 yrs ago this site started here.....but facebook has grown hugely....same sort of site...chat nostaligia ..all ages...each area..own group...barry Raymond does Heston Hounslow bedfont hayes etc.................5 or so yrs now....huge numbers use sites..daily...with posting photo by chat also....chat of 1930s etc...onwards..and some fascinating local history..also...research done by some....who l... more >>

  • Re: It's a shame by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 11-Oct-2013
    HERE HERE I AGGRE LONG MAY OUR SITE LIVE.

  • Re: It's a shame by Chris (Member 10220786) on 11-Oct-2013
    A HUGE vote of thanks to ALL who contribute to this site especially Yvonne who keeps us all travelling down memory lane. I can't praise her enough. Thank you Yvonne. Chris x

  • Re: It's a shame by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Oct-2013
    that's ok chris..best wishes to you...denis Pauline mike..fred.keith.chris...we have gt members..Sheila..Janice..and bob etc .etc etc .bill...gt people...and 11 yrs fantastic archive..precious shops etc archive info...going back yr 2000..pages

  • Re: It's a shame by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 11-Oct-2013
    Yes I agree about this site and concur re Yvonne. I just don't want to go on Facebook. What I like about here, is that you just look at it when you want to & don't get contacted by the site or bothered by having your name used elsewhere.

  • Re: It's a shame by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 11-Oct-2013
    I do agree with you Fred. I love this site, and find it is enough for me to read through what everyone has said, even though I don't obviously know about some of the places which are referred to.
    My daughters keep telling me about Facebook and what it's like, but I am content to remain here!

  • Re: It's a shame by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Oct-2013
    some parts of facebook I would not join...but closed site...admin...small quality instead of quantity is their motto...local of similar knowledge and interest..very similar people to the 11 yrs of this site.........some facebook are different from the rest..completely different...and click at top...for... not view topic..or such..so .only .view ones want to....archive photos ..go through in..topic... more >>

  • Re: It's a shame by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 12-Oct-2013
    Let us not forget the great contribution of the late Len Goddard.

  • Re: It's a shame by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 12-Oct-2013
    Yes, indeed Michael. Len's knowledge of the shops on the Saxon road thread was remarkable. Plus, the many, many other pieces of information. The beauty of it as well is, it is still all there for us to refer to.

  • Re: It's a shame by Ronald Cox (Member 10259196) on 13-Oct-2013
    Pauline the Saxon Rd 1939-51 has not been available to me for some time. Could you check to see what you get. Ron

  • Re: It's a shame by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 14-Oct-2013
    Hi Ron - I Just tapped in Ron Cox 21 January 2009 Saxon Road 1939-1951 and Saxon Road came up.

  • Re: It's a shame by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 15-Oct-2013
    Does anybody know what date Northolt race course closed.

  • Re: It's a shame by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Oct-2013
    about the time of war before 1939..1920 s 30s they were getting off Northolt rail station from London gentry went there....will get gazette it was in there week ago..get back to you..

  • Re: It's a shame by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Oct-2013
    gazette last week photos....quote....after war attempts restart races failed....severe hse shortage..built council houses..book..by len Jayne .pony races.story Northolt pk....7 may 1946..council said most perfect racecourse in the country local peole cheered......stands demolished it may 1955...grandstand was relocated to brands hatch.....race control box remained there till 1994...gates .and stre... more >>

  • Re: It's a shame by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Oct-2013
    list of nice sites on it here in google photos etc,,,,,,,,never been able find photos Havelock rd southall greyhound races...nothing....yrs 1930s..1950s....little on it..shame....

  • Re: It's a shame by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Oct-2013
    in the link list pathe film..course.....Britain from above photos 1933 the course....etc...lots in google..Greenford Northolt border site..north of lady marg rd southall...

  • Re: It's a shame by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 15-Oct-2013
    Thank you Yvonne i can remember the rails still being in place, yes streets named after race tracks, aunt & uncle lived on Thursk Close i did not realize that parts of the course lasted until into the mid 1990s would have taken some pics if i had known.

  • Re: It's a shame by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Oct-2013
    photos on your..flickr..your ist photo..at comment...just click...get board14......then..at your other photo..several boards just click....15 has...track photos...1934 pathe news free in google George Formby singer raced there....road called redcar close.near manderville...now...1st track to pioneer photo finish and start gate...,,,,the course was used for filming..max miller comedian..film...than... more >>

  • Re: It's a shame by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 15-Oct-2013
    Did you have any luck in getting "Saxon road" Ron?

  • Re: It's a shame by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 15-Oct-2013
    Denis, I was thinking about Northolt Racecourse the other day for I remember seeing a long article about it once, with photo, but I cannot find it now. It might have been on a "London Borough of Ealing" website, but cannot be sure. I was reminded of this as I read that there are so many old racetracks (dog and horse) now built on. Who still remember Hurst Park, across the river from Hampton... more >>

  • Re: It's a shame by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Oct-2013
    lots items..list Northolt race...in google....photos etc..info...
    http://www.bing.com/search?q=northolt+race+track&form=CMNTDF&pc=CMNTDF&src=IE-SearchBox

  • Re: It's a shame by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 15-Oct-2013
    Thank you for that Keith.

  • Re: It's a shame by Ronald Cox (Member 10259196) on 15-Oct-2013
    Computer down for a few days.
    Yes Thank you Pauline and Yvonne

  • Re: It's a shame by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Oct-2013
    ok ron..good luck with computer.....just click the link and up comes saxon rd2009.....best wishes you and family

  • Re: It's a shame by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 17-Oct-2013
    It's iGoogle that's closing down on November 1st. It still keeps giving a daily countdown on my computer, but fortunately I don't use it!

  • Re: It's a shame by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 17-Oct-2013
    we don't get ..this....tony thinks...bit of virus......suggests doing anti virus scan......in google it tells you about some people getting that peculiar message...not google says tony.....IT IS I google..that is closing nov 1st..over yr ago said it..i google......we don't use it...different ...not the big main google people....home page set up for weather etc comes up news etc..comes up auto dail... more >>

 
THE SHRUBBERY by Chris (Member 10220786) on 29-Sep-2013
Phylis can you help please. I know you lived in Shrubbery Road which got it's name because in the late 1800's a large house was in that area called THE SHRUBBERY. Do you recall AMSDOM & POPE sweet shop? At the back of there to this day there are remains of a very 'ornate' wall. Along with others I am trying to discover if this wall is part of the old house THE SHRUBBERY. Do you have an knowl... more >>   
  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Sep-2013
    phylis........if you heard of shrubbery house used as small asylum.....1881 1891..censuses by jane rosser..1870 etc was dr stewart living there many yrs.in shrubbery house..........famous.abbot brothers.place firm.was shrubbery rd 1947 in google.....try to see this old wall found.2013.......which wall demolished place it..was......if you know anything thanks phylis..best wishes..

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Sep-2013
    gt read..book pages....southall Northolt Greenford through time...famous sharvil lane prehistoric track roman villas farm..........famous smith farm..sept 2013google to be flats...1595 farm barn went tochiltern open air museum..we sawit RG....timber frame brick barn,4 bays...canal famous wood bridge....east side of famous northalahills pk..of wembly stadium.rubble used...western ave...http://www.n... more >>

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by sheila iddenden (Member 10235498) on 30-Sep-2013
    Hi I also lived in Shrubbery Road for 17yrs and have never heard a Shrubbery house mentioned, I did wonder if maybe it was Dr Glass house that faces the green, its the only big house that I can recall in the area.

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Sep-2013
    thanks Sheila...it is on the 1911...census...the shrubbery house....jane rosser.had patients ..there.....before dr stewart 1844 onwards had patients there.....big hse ..shrubbery rd..named after it......this week 6 photos of old yr 1844 old wall parts there photographed...elaborate arch .design bricks..easily 1844 bricks....gt save of southall....wall still there.......houses built road 1911 onwar... more >>

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Sep-2013
    aec...draw office 1954/5...draughtman etc....southall.....photo gt..etc.....in google......http://middx.net/aec/personnel/mdo_006.htm

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 1-Oct-2013
    I've just had a notice appearing on my screen that Google is shutting down in 31 days and to save anything stored in it. Has anyone else had this?

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Oct-2013
    wow..oh dear..will ask tony..will let you know...oh

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Oct-2013
    have typed it in google........31 days.....page of items comes up....tony not heard of your screen message...thing...he is ..having a think

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Oct-2013
    says 1st april it was on screens but..joke....1st oct today...pinch punch 1st mth no returns....

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 1-Oct-2013
    Thanks for that. Although I don't store anything in Google, I would really miss it. Wonder who the pranksters are who are doing this?

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Oct-2013
    yes strange...best wishes

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Oct-2013
    mike...all.....do you remember north rd......just by shrubbery rd...south edge of it...was tiny petrol station.....................do you remember undertakers...just before. white hart pub uxbridge rd........thanks....

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Oct-2013
    1940s...50s..yrs approx....bob morrow had the garage.....mike..shrubbery rd...the back gardens...of the north side.row of houses.....photos of...high 1844 bricks ornamental wall.....seems..wall grounds of the shrubberys...asylum.sometimes patient there..between..1844 to 1911 yrs ..1920s big hse the shrubberys.....did you here of the house...mike.demolition...boundary wall still there...thanks..

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Oct-2013
    oh it was spicers..then.after 1955 theymoved onto south rd..from there....all our funerals...most peoples were spicers......

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 1-Oct-2013
    Yes, I remember Spicers the funeral directors. They did my dad's funeral in 1971 at Ruislip Crematorium.

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Oct-2013
    yes my west ave dad ..his sisters.and brotherinlaws..etc...... Ruislip..later yrs...most many were..but 4 of my west ave 1936 1948 1960 were hevelock spicers used.

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Chris (Member 10220786) on 1-Oct-2013
    Along that block of shops was an Off licence. Splicers and next to the White Hart was Quinions ..Sadlery shop. In later years he also sold leather goods, handbags and luggage plus sports shoes. Chris x

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 2-Oct-2013
    Just to say that Spicers was still along by the White Hart in 1971 as I went there myself to book the funeral.

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Oct-2013
    that's interesting might be 1973 ish move to south rd..east side..on street view still there today..thanks ..gt info Pauline thankyou..

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 2-Oct-2013
    Yvonne- remember most of the things about Shrubbery road you mention. A friend of mine used to go out with a girl from Shubbery Road-Mavis Cripps

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by sheila iddenden (Member 10235498) on 2-Oct-2013
    Spicers the undertaker wastzken over by the older daughter Sylvia her husband and brother I was very friendly with June the younger daughter I think her husband also went in to the business I had ashop over the bridge.My mother was Mrs Quions cleaner it wasthroughMr Quion that we got the house in Shrubbery Road mum and dad had the offer to buy it for £800 but refused they would nt believe what t... more >>

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by sheila iddenden (Member 10235498) on 2-Oct-2013
    I did nt have a shop over the bbridge the Spicers did , lesson learnt do watct tv whilst do ing this

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Oct-2013
    thanks mike.1930 yrs did you hear of the shrubbery hse,,,,,,entrance onto north rd..just north edge of east end of shrubbery rd...1844 to 1900s...gentry house...dr steward.MD,,,,then jane rosser...1 or 2 mental asylum.people there...grounds gardens out back......kids to 1960 playing on the old 1844 wall high there boundary....rubble there...never built on....old shrubbery hse......anny info..mike.... more >>

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Oct-2013
    always lovely to hear you Sheila....great lovely read it all...thanks....think..spicer went to north rd 1972 to 1974 yrs.......yes please list of peoples names shrubbery be lovely.....behind the north side their back gardens...open space....very old handmade bricks high wall parts yr1844....of the old shrubbery house dr steward 2 patients asylum........did you hear of it.when was it demolished yr ... more >>

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 2-Oct-2013
    Michael, Mavis Cripps was my Aunty & married to my Uncle Shamus they lived in the road that backs onto The Cut at the top of Regina Rd and had a huge apple tree.

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 2-Oct-2013
    Fred-most interested to know Mavis was your Aunty-have an idea her hair was reddish in clour

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 3-Oct-2013
    Well when I last saw her about 25 years ago it was a sort of sandy colour she always had a very cheerful disposition & she adored my Uncle but then he was easy to love, such a gentle man my eldest daughter who is now 44 herself was charmed by him & was very sad when he passed away in 1991. I think Aunty May passed away about 7 or 8 years ago.

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 3-Oct-2013
    Fred-Sorry to hear of Mavis's passing

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Janice Johnson (Member 10240407) on 3-Oct-2013
    I've been catching up with all the entries and am interested to read of a house called The Shrubbery. My cousin Bob Hurdwell once told me of a derelict house which was boarded up where he used to sometimes 'explore' with his friends. As far as I can remember, the house was somewhere at the back of the houses in Shrubbery Road. This would have been around 60 years or so ago. Not sure if this is of any help.

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Janice Johnson (Member 10240407) on 3-Oct-2013
    I've just remembered there was a block of more modern flats/maisonettes between the bottom of Goldswains garden and older houses - all opposite where North Road clinic used to be - maybe this is where The Shrubbery was?

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Oct-2013
    very kind Janice....have 20 photos...pity cant show here...today..still derelict land...google says attempts build but access problems..........thanks boarded up 1940 ish yrs....yes north back of shrubbery rd..still space there...fantastic photos this week of ornate boundary walls of.the grounds garden.hse..1844 to 1920ish hse..dr steward 3 patients in as asylum......wish he could have taken photo... more >>

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Oct-2013
    Janice we were thinking that ..yr1844 shrubbery hse...was demolished.....before 1940....1920 or when ever...but place left derelict..1897..terrace row is there on stret view having been built........1940s 50s yrs.......war yrs do you think..it might have been fine 1720 gentry house of grove house which is there....that might have been boarded up .for protection during the war..it is heritage liste... more >>

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by sheila iddenden (Member 10235498) on 3-Oct-2013
    yvonne noe you mention it I do remember the brick wall you may be right prehaps that where the house was may be the little shop that was there was the lodge house or something. I not to sure about putting the peopple who lived in Shrubbery road on here , what do you think ?

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Oct-2013
    lots of people chat about neighbours names..1940s 50s..seems ok..might jog peoples memories old friends..lots of southall emigrated oz..etc..went new towns..uk...not to worry.....yes thanks little shop..is boarded sweets..it is store area..closed many yrs.....yes old wall glad you remember....wonder if the famous...grove hse by the sweet shop was boarded up during the war 1940s yrs.......thanks be... more >>

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 3-Oct-2013
    Janice-is Bob Hurdwell still around?

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Oct-2013
    Sheila...mike.....Janice...bob................on the short page of this site...12 shrubbery rd....Marjorie honor blake.lived there had illegit son....rosie of parslow blake family.looking for info........baby boy was adopted..................seems your years..if info known..blake..number 12...

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Janice Johnson (Member 10240407) on 4-Oct-2013
    Hello Michael - Yes, Bob Hurdwell is still around. He'll be 79 at the end of this month and has lived in Maidenhead, Berks, for many years.

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Janice Johnson (Member 10240407) on 4-Oct-2013
    Hello Yvonne - One of my father's sisters married a Joseph Blake from New Road on the Brentford/South Ealing borders - lived Ealing Road, Brentford. What little I know of the Blake family, there is no Marjorie among them. My parents 'emigrated' from Brentford/South Ealing so it's possible some Blake family did as well. Maybe a connection but would be hard to follow up for sure as he was my uncle b... more >>

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Oct-2013
    thanks jan.....few blake family about...1951..north rd..blake .mother .mrs m blake..think Marjorie..and daughter Eileen marie blake...young...pregnant..they went to new Zealand..baby boy denis born adopted.out.......blake 1951 and yrs before were at 207 north rd..seems right on top of the post office grocers opposite beehive pub...1951 mrs m blake and pregnant daughter Eileen emigrated to newz...p... more >>

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Oct-2013
    happy birthday bob...for end oct...we were at maidenhead..day out..this yr..lovely..thames and lock..etc.....bob if you remember the wall bits..at play area..think handmade bricks 1844...ornate arch shapes in the wall..pillars design in the wall...we have 20 photos this week...cant build on your play space council says access problem...alley..but cant get access road into there..etc....think was b... more >>

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by sheila iddenden (Member 10235498) on 4-Oct-2013
    I REMEMBER THE NAME OF PARSLOW THINK THEY LIVED JUST PAST PHYLLIS SO WOULD BE ABOUT NO NINE , CANT RECALL THE NAME BLAKE, NO12 THE SHANKSTERS LIVED THERE AT LEAST 2 GIRLS JEAN BEING ONE OF THEM MAYBE THERE WERE BOYS BUT CANT REME BER PHYL WILL KNOW IM SURE DOES ANY ONE REMEMBER THE LERKS FAMILY THEY LIVED IN THE CLTTAGES INTHE SCHOOL PASSAGE SIDE OF THE WHITE HEART I HAVE AN IDEA THAT THEY MOVED T... more >>

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Oct-2013
    thanks sheila

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Chris (Member 10220786) on 4-Oct-2013
    I remember the Perks family, they lived in one of the two old cottages in school passage on the right going toward High Street. Cottages long gone now. I think there were three or four Perks girls. I also knew the Shanksters, Gwen, Jean, Sheila, John, Peter and Rita. Chris x

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by sheila iddenden (Member 10235498) on 4-Oct-2013
    I remember an yvonne perks and marion but there were older girls I believe, where did you live Chris? We all used to play together in Shrubbery road

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Chris (Member 10220786) on 4-Oct-2013
    Sheila I lived in Grove Terrace; Mum, Dad and Grandad had the shoe repair shop next to Janes Hanerdashery and Hurdwells Grocers. I used to play a lot in Shrubbery Road, I was friends with Janet Perks, Joyce White, Rita Shankster and Gwen and Carole Cripps....+ many more. Chris x

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by sheila iddenden (Member 10235498) on 4-Oct-2013
    My parents used to use that bootmenders . You must be younger than me because the girls you played with are youger than me , did you know any of the o sullivans from Dorthory villas Alan Salvage and Derek Simpson were the boys that used to play out as well,

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Chris (Member 10220786) on 4-Oct-2013
    I remember the Sullivan's from 6 Dorothy Villas bur can't remember names! Chris x

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Oct-2013
    back after couple days site out..sent emails sunday but probably staff Monday so today sent and up comes site..thanks to the...3 photos aec bombed badly war sept 24 1940..days before north rd school.28th.got bombed........night aec..staff escaped down their shelter at siren...6 mths.trouble there with damage caused..roof etc service..dept....so tools vehicles bad damage...

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Bill Henley (Member 10272156) on 7-Oct-2013
    Some discussions back we were recalling shops that used to be in the Broadway etc. I have just returned from my aunt with my mother's engagement ring in its original box. She was married April 1936. The ring came from James Walker Ltd, 49 The Broadway, Southall. I now remember buying a set of silver teaspoons from there for their silver wedding anniversary. Are they still there?

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Oct-2013
    no long gone bill..1980s 1990 or so ..gone....up towards woolworths south side.....in google.....type.....showmystreet.com...............good 2012 clear view...of shops broadway...southall......woolworths went few yrs ago.....99 pound shop now....

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Oct-2013
    my aunts married 1935 from southall....holy trinity...

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 7-Oct-2013
    Yvonne, where are the 3 photos of the AEC bombed in 1940? I am particularly interested as my dad would have been on nightwork at that time.

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Oct-2013
    get them on now 15

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 7-Oct-2013
    Thanks Yvonne. Just seen them.

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Oct-2013
    good lovely..

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Oct-2013
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ww2peopleswar/stories/04/a3695204.shtml

    Anderson.southall..account of war bombing southall..Heston..in google

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 7-Oct-2013
    Mention of the bomb on AEC reminds me that a large bomb fell nearby in Argyll Avenue, leaving a very large crater. Nobody killed fortunately. Friends of my parents lived in Argyll Avenue.

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 7-Oct-2013
    Thank you Yvonne for that sad, but wonderful account of the war bombing in Southall. It made me realise that living in Northcote Avenue, the other side of Southall, we hadn't experienced anything near what that young woman and her family had. It was truly heartbreaking, particularly the looting!

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Oct-2013
    thanks Pauline...mike..

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Janice Johnson (Member 10240407) on 7-Oct-2013
    Hello Sheila Iddenden - I've seen that you mention Alan Salvage as one of your old playmates. He was in my class at North Road school - a tall ruddy-complexioned boy. I also knew a girl from Shrubbery whose surname was Harrison - had a mop of curly red hair - think her dad had been in the Navy. Wonder where all our old school chums ended up, how they fared in life, what stories they could tell. S... more >>

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by sheila iddenden (Member 10235498) on 7-Oct-2013
    Hello janice , I think the girl you discribe lived with her granparents there name was alsop and I think they own agarage, yes that was alan he was really nice and I think all the girls liked him do nt know where any of them are now , I am still in touch with phyl, is and pamele harman pam comes to stay with me acouple of times a yeat
    Rshe has recently moved to ruslip.

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Oct-2013
    if Harman....knows val Harman born 1949...of Harman brother..her dad.......lived near around any areas around somerset rd.....val left dormers 1966 to be secretary bbc tv centre shepherds bush red..thick hair auburn.....big Harman fmily local many many yrs...famous brewery uxbridge high st for many decades..going far back in time....the Harman brewery

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by sheila iddenden (Member 10235498) on 7-Oct-2013
    No yvonne I doo nt thinkwe are talking about ths same harman family mmy friend will be older we left dormers 1952

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Oct-2013
    thanks sheila

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Oct-2013
    southall aec .fame of war work..there..the armoured vehicle..valentine...in display buck palace mall after war......visit of tank to war staff aec southall photos.15board/...male staff and kids there boys kids there at southall factory..to see tank visit.. the war..years around that time..kids age 8/9 etc.rough ages.there.................http://panzerserra.blogspot.it/2012/12/aec-mk-i-british-armo... more >>

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 8-Oct-2013
    Thanks Yvonne will have a look at that.

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Oct-2013
    yes lots there...click..15...link is at your flickr site....36...etc...several links there for you...10 etc...just click..

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Oct-2013
    1956 yrs...council colour film
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEWvSbHC_IA#t=142

    hayes southall border....hayes bridge..brookside willowtree...uxbridge rd..pub..buses.....cranford pk....etc...

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Oct-2013
    film has hayes end uxbridge rd trolley buses...1956 yrs..tow path canal......hayes high st woolworths..level crossing...station etc....council flower beds.designs.crests etc.............

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 9-Oct-2013
    Yvonne.

    Thank you very much for posting that video link. A very interesting film that I had not seen before. It is interesting that there is a snatch of Charville Lane in there as it was 60 years ago. As you may remember I have said before, that is one of the oldest roads in the whole of Britain, and the bit along the top of the hill at Down BArns on the Yeading/Northolt border is a bit sti... more >>

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Oct-2013
    yes good films there.......amazing to not loose films of good memory......couple yrs now been reading down barn and sharvil..etc...lots in google...very interesting....

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 9-Oct-2013
    Yvonne

    Another good old road to trace is the one that was cut by the canal at Trumpers Crossing. It was an old drove road to London via Mattock Lane, Ealing Common. Canal building was it's death knell and enclosure of Osterley Park, but was Cranford/Heston route to Ealing and London. Must have been wonderful to have seen 200 years ago

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 9-Oct-2013
    Interesting that "British History Online" states that "Sharvel Lane was 'out of repair' by 1504" !!

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Oct-2013
    yes have read a lot on trumpers...very good.....1802.onwards. my genealogy norwood green ...agricultural labourers etc......he married at st mary ealing rd.....census shows them going all over field tracks for work...he would have gone trumpers...to ..east....and back again...she ..was ..out there from norwood green .baptism...so walked track..before 1930..work as farm.worker or servant..ealing rd... more >>

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Oct-2013
    yes 3 yrs now have been reading brit hist on line...very good......and some maps etc there...

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 9-Oct-2013
    Trumpers Lane Halt was the only station on the long gone GWR railway service from Southall to Brentford.
    Some years ago I went on a special train from Southall to the end of where the line still runs,organised by the GWR Preservation Society.

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Oct-2013
    was good you went.mike.........great southall society.of rail..museum .etc...yes several photos of ..station trumpers and crossing places....some books and photos of it all in google.......

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Oct-2013
    pub signs historic heritage...image art work....1916 victory..ship image change name ..war...southall green corner east side...now hotel.....................http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=victory+pub+signs&qpvt=victory+pub+signs&FORM=IGRE

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 10-Oct-2013
    I remember my dad telling me that the Victory pub in Southall pre 1914 was called the Kaiser Wilhelm/

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Oct-2013
    king Prussia ..pub.called......many..yrs 1890 etc....war had to change name..1800s queen Victoria..albert.... lots germans came .England poplar docks..and//some. up to Brentford dock..new canal and into southall green....from hamburg etc areas..ship to us...gas works poplar and....gas ..southall.....workers...stokers etc....

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Oct-2013
    8 inns..pubs southall hamlet farms fields..1821.....1899 once called plough southall green..then renamed kings head..then called king Prussia..by 1914....1916 renamed victory............plough..refers ag lab..orchards etc.hay...4 farms southall green..and workhouse farm Featherstone rd..1803 to 1836 closed

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Oct-2013
    lost pubs southall.......http://www.closedpubs.co.uk/middlesex/southall.html

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Oct-2013
    1866 king Prussia...1 king st....1866 adams landlord.....1901 robinson..1914richmond 1916 haste change name to victory......war

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Oct-2013
    pub southall.....http://pubshistory.com/Middlesex/Hayes/KingPrussia.shtml

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 10-Oct-2013
    Thanks Yvonne & Mike

    Actually, Trumpers Lane now ends at the site of the old "Trumpers Crossing Halt". As a kid, we always knew it as Trumpers Crossing. West of Trumpers Lane is lost now, but then the route remains as Yvonne states "Fern Lane" then off to Sipson somewhere

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Oct-2013
    my nans dad....lived fern lane 1866 ,,yrs one of 12 kids siblings...dad ..ag labourer...gdad 1806 born local farm labourer....married harmondsworth girl..over fields for work...nans dads..brother...made it good Heston mkt gardener and greengrocer shop...photo in local hist bk..andhe was 1st Heston villae fireman...left probate...money age 71....1937......orchards...corn hay fields etc....200 yrs local people..

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Oct-2013
    abc cinema..minors song......
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzWjw7AO_Xo

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 11-Oct-2013
    Like Keith, I enjoyed that video link you put on Yvonne of Hayes & Harlington. It was wonderful to keep getting glimpses of the time we lived there in 1954/6. As it whizzed past Woolworths in Hayes town, I remembered that the Post Office was on the opposite side, and Clayton road and Blyth road was also along there where the dear old EMI was, where we were both working. I had a strange feeling as ... more >>

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Oct-2013
    yes I used to go hayes high st ..before 1970...and yrs..woolworths and post office opposite.....tandem sounds gt...bike .you did..yes cinema.uxbridge rd became bingo saw west side story there 1965ish....yes blyth rd .emi etc...emi..part open yrs now vinyl.factory canteen..in gazette weekly,,,,,now doing restaurant students event there this week....emi .place ...

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Oct-2013
    essoldo cinema...was savoy...was classic...became bingo....photos board26.pauline.nice there...171 viewings nobody realises to put comments....some had 500 viewings and more.huge viewings click enlarge etc...flickr......but rare get nice comment pity..........http://cinematreasures.org/theaters/30167

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Phyl Hutnell (Member 10234816) on 17-Oct-2013
    Hi everyone and apologies, I have not been on the Southall site for some time, so have got behind with all that's been going on. My friend, Sheila Iddenden, has jogged my memory about it so have taken a look today. Re Shrubbery Road, I lived there until I married, and my mother had lived there all her life. Don't remember a Shrubbery House at all, and at the back of the houses on our side of the r... more >>

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 17-Oct-2013
    gt to hear you phylis..best wishes to you and family..thankyou...yes grove hse and tsextensions .now 1720 built.....along north rd..entrancearea door to 1844/55..built the shrubbery hse...9 lived in it..censuses...5 insane patients..females..dr steward MD...servants...1891..jane rosser took over till she was 65 there...1894 map..it is still there..1911census....after war 1920..many servants ended ... more >>

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 17-Oct-2013
    philis................. got 1914 post office....weedon...bunce....parslow..living the 1st old terrace built..shrubbery rd.....there 1914....bunce was caretaker north rd school many yrs...lived 1940 yrs...meadow rd the caretaker hse.....

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Phyl Hutnell (Member 10234816) on 20-Oct-2013
    Hi Yvonne. Weedon was my mother's maiden name, and the house was originally rented by her parents. Not many people could afford to buy a house in those days. My mother was the youngest of 8, and she remained in the house when she married, and my mum and dad eventually bought it.

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Oct-2013
    lovely....1914 ..weedon there.....big families weedon local......west ave 1930 1950..number 9...west side top.........lots them..on 1911 census...southall green...1890 like many...labourers..across from yeading etc areas ..they were like many were...out to ruislip farms...200 yrs their name about locally........yes not afford buy hse..yes....rented....lodged..in with others..1928 1930s...beginning... more >>

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Oct-2013
    phyl .......nice to see names 1914 north side.3 garrett.5 stapleton..9 wood..villas is .2 king..1 kimber...shrubbery rd .15 weedon.william...17 turmbar..19 bunce .21 cossen..23 newell..27 tucker..31 parslow..33 webb..35 combley.37 Hawkins....south rd..2 tomlin..3 pont..6 holdwar..8 cooper..10 dolman..24 shrubbery rd.shipway.....laurel terrace..1 chalk..2 Morton..3 rowles..4 philpott..5 cody....

  • Re: THE SHRUBBERY by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Oct-2013
    that should say ...the south side of shrubbery rd....not south rd....so they are all living shrubbery rd here..listed 1914....and joyce ..living at the big house 9 occupants nurses etc...the shrubbery hse..1914..with next door to it...brown and sons builders............chris remembers brown..1950s...there...as with the smthy..near...today photos taken all around the back in old space of playing...... more >>

 
September 3rd by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 3-Sep-2013
I have suddenly realised that today is the anniversary of the outbreak of WW2 in 1939-well 11am to be exact.

The air raid warning went, but no signs of enemy action.

Underground air raid shelters were dug on the green opposite our house. They were seldom used, and became very smelly after a few days-Anderson shelters were issued to houses-ours promptly flooded after a f... more >>
  
  • Re: September 3rd by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Sep-2013
    oh dear...terrible time..remember len saying..he was out..tonys the broadway icecream.man was coming along and gave all the kids ice.cream.....my aunts got best wage pkts they ever had piece work..all hours munitions...dad and his brother.n Africa...Italy...tonys dad Italy.army...................1914 .90 yrs next yr ..bbc are planning..a large amount of items...

  • Re: September 3rd by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 3-Sep-2013
    Remember dad telling me about the sirens going he said it scared every one to death. also first aircraft to crash in ww11 an Avro Anson came down in the sea off Hastings the Hasings lifeboat towed it to shore where it was beached without casualtys.

  • Re: September 3rd by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 3-Sep-2013
    I remember it well, as if was yesterday. It was on a Sunday, and my brother Bob and I were in the playground in Spikes Bridge park. The siren went and all the kids went running home fast. My brother was on the slide and wouldn't come off. We were the only ones left in the park, and all of a sudden my father came running in to get us. I do remember he was not very pleased with Bob.When we got home ... more >>

  • Re: September 3rd by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Sep-2013
    good thing it was not gas..thankyou.for that..it was interesting...think that high slide was there for so many yrs..

  • Re: September 3rd by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 3-Sep-2013
    55 yrs ago yesterday morning the the aeroplane crashed in Kelvin gardens.

  • Re: September 3rd by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 3-Sep-2013
    Yes, that plane crash was also on the fight path of the short, little used runway that flew over Perivale Maternity Hospital, South Greenford Halt, Greenford Broadway, Allenby Roadm Southall, etc.

    That Runway not used much then and now does not exist as all built on and changed at Heathrow so no more landings over Greenford, Allenby Road or SOuthall. Perivale Maternity Hospital not exist any ... more >>

  • Re: September 3rd by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Sep-2013
    yes Perivale maternity demolished..1987ish yrs...my cousins baby born there...kates mum carol 1955 born there...yes have heard.greenford people talk..of as you say runway..those who suffer the noise etc of the huge jumbo jets and those that are lucky and not to be.direct route of noise..the gt west rd..every 2 mins.is like a runway in itself..huge planes every 2 mins..down the line of the gt west ... more >>

  • Re: September 3rd by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 4-Sep-2013
    Yes. that Heathrow runway closed years ago

    No landings over Greenford/Southall now but all land over Kew/Brenford etc when wind in that direction. Runway pointing to Greenford/Southall was very short and quite dangerous. But that plane would have crashed anyway as rules on overloaded planes much tougher these days.

  • Re: September 3rd by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Sep-2013
    interesting thanks keith..southall library 1st sept now is.run by private company...Carnegie library of 1890....Carnegie award was given to gibbons the 14 yr old boy who helped with the injured at the 1958 crash kelvin gdns.

  • Re: September 3rd by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 4-Sep-2013
    Now Heathrow just has 2 runways, but looking at old 1950s/60s maps of Heathrow is interesting because you can see the old runways, and one of those points towards Southall/Greenford

  • Re: September 3rd by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Sep-2013
    yes have dozen of the so interesting photos of old heathrow..the start..beginning yrs...lovely..to see.runway etc etc.

  • Re: September 3rd by Bill Henley (Member 10272156) on 4-Sep-2013
    My family lived on the flight path marked by Southall gas holder. At night the planes would switch on their lights and raise them from pointing at the ground to straight ahead. In doing so they would shine very brightly into my bedroom for an instant. I have a memory of the Brabazon flying overhead. It is strange how you can become used to aircraft, train and other noises. During the war my father... more >>

  • Re: September 3rd by Bob Burnard (Member 10252769) on 4-Sep-2013
    September 3rd 1939 day i was christened

  • Re: September 3rd by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Sep-2013
    bob...bill...that's nice

  • Re: September 3rd by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 4-Sep-2013
    Bill you mention the landing lights on aircraft at night i wonder if you remember the piston engine aircaft of the 50s how there props disturbed the tv pictures, remember seeing the first DH Comet come into Heathrow before all the fatigue problems.

  • Re: September 3rd by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Sep-2013
    harrow Amersham..vintage steam metropolitan line trains weekend now....says London transport museum covent gdn..gt day out...

  • Re: September 3rd by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Sep-2013
    a year this week...miss baker from uxbridge..school Ruislip...won 2 gold medals paralymp..her lovely horse...on one show now bbc1.....double gold letter box uxbridge...mbe...freedom of borough from mayor....good luckto her ..such nice girl....Olympics...London..she loved and her mum dad.did

  • Re: September 3rd by Bill Henley (Member 10272156) on 5-Sep-2013
    Yes I remember the old planes and the excitement about the Comet. When the wind direction was suitable the planes roared overhead very low on their approach to Heathrow. To show my age, I also remember picking blackberries by the row of cottages called Heathrow before the development of the aerodrome. My scout group had photographs of camps nearby. In later years I toured the airport runways as a ... more >>

  • Re: September 3rd by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 5-Sep-2013
    I dont suppose you remember the lockheed Constellation crash landing at Heathrow in the mid 1950s, at this time as plane spotters we used to roam all over the airport i dont think somehow you would get away with it today. I visited the airport about 2 yrs. ago got totaly lost took 1/2 hour to find my way out.

  • Re: September 3rd by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 5-Sep-2013
    interesting bill.hope to hear more..

  • Re: September 3rd by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 5-Sep-2013
    in google....items..list .2013 new car park southall...balloons.celebration..shows gate of southall mkt...3/4 articles there millions cost new car pk..read see photos..in google

  • Re: September 3rd by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 5-Sep-2013
    on the old cattle mkt.high st.uxbridge rd southall opposite north rd....car pk..balloons there this week gazette...new opened cost 2.5 million.cost.asked for yr2008..long wait..attract tourism more .to tourist shops restaurants crowds southall..visitors long time now..hotels etc..

  • Re: September 3rd by shelley nelhams (Member 10257723) on 5-Sep-2013
    Hi just checked this board after some time trying to locate a ron cox for my father JIM NELHAMS an email was left but its no longer active.please can anyone contact me so I can pass on email details direct to ron cox many thanks

  • Re: September 3rd by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 5-Sep-2013
    we have ron email...if to give you in a secure way

  • Re: September 3rd by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 5-Sep-2013
    8pm have sent ron message to Australia..when he is able to see it..email just gone to him..he sees the site with your sentence here

  • Re: September 3rd by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 5-Sep-2013
    Denis & Bill

    Yes I remember the Lockheed Constellations, the "Superconnies" and the TWA Starliners. These, the Viscounts and the Britannias were certainly the best aircraft designs and it is a pity we didn't sell more Britannias. The Vanguards came out 3 years too late. . . . . . . I was there for the only known (and surprise) visit of a Sud-Est Armagnac which I have mentioned before on the... more >>

  • Re: September 3rd by Ronald Cox (Member 10259196) on 5-Sep-2013
    Thank you Yvonne for the prompt.
    Shelley my E` mail is ronfcox@gmail.com
    Ron C

  • Re: September 3rd by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 5-Sep-2013
    she will see it here then ron..good....

  • Re: September 3rd by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 5-Sep-2013
    Shelley-my friend of long ago was Leslie Nelhams-a lovely man

  • Re: September 3rd by Bill Henley (Member 10272156) on 6-Sep-2013
    It is so sad that we were at the leading edge of aviation production in those early days and then as with computers lost it all to the USA. My experience of Heathrow these days is restricted to lurking at Cranford Park waiting for a phone call to dash in and pick up family members. My trips to the airport have also given me the chance to revisit and photograph parts of Southall and to make a call ... more >>

  • Re: September 3rd by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Sep-2013
    there is a photo of the famous wall...still there dawley..famous hse....mine worked dawley .botwell..1820 onwards..1860s moving into cranford lane Heston....farms brickfields work....1960 gazette at ealing library for turner

  • Re: September 3rd by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Sep-2013
    lots sites in google..about the wall etc..dawley etc..in google.......http://hidden-london.com/gazetteer/dawley/

  • Re: September 3rd by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 6-Sep-2013
    Yes Bill you are right about the loss of lead in industry after the war. I belive there was an aggrement with America that Britain would build military aircraft & America would make transport aircraft which gave the USA a head start with such aircraft as the DC3/C47 DC4/C54 the DC6 Connies & the B29 was transformed into a passeng... more >>

  • Re: September 3rd by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 6-Sep-2013
    Thanks for that Yvonne. Having worked at EMI it amused me that in 1911 when The Gramophone Company (later EMI)moved its headquarters to Blyth Road, it bought up all the chickens in the naighbourhood to prevent their cackling being picked up by the recording apparatus! I bet there were a few that they missed.

  • Re: September 3rd by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Sep-2013
    lovely photos board15...cattle mkt demolished become southall now new car pk..cost 2.1 million.asked for since 2008..tourists visitors.
    restaurants shops southall.many yrs now..

  • Re: September 3rd by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 6-Sep-2013
    Sorry "naighbourhood" should be "neighbourhood".

  • Re: September 3rd by Bill Henley (Member 10272156) on 7-Sep-2013
    Many thanks for the web link to Dawley in Hidden London. My grandfather's WW1 diary refers to de Salis falling off his horse and later of being wounded. I find that Jerome de Salis became an officer in the Middlesex Regiment at the age of 18 in 1914. The class system really did dictate who were officer class and he had men of 30s and 40s yrs of age under him. He was wounded in the head about Augus... more >>

  • Re: September 3rd by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Sep-2013
    yes the print of the court is in google.....famous..dawley..uxbridge local history library closed for year...but will be great at opening..lots of archive there photos etc....for dawley Harlington hayes etc....

  • Re: September 3rd by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Sep-2013
    bill......type dawley house. .and court...in google..Middlesex...and up come..half dozen.items to click open....the famous print..1695 to 1711 of house gardens and courtyard.....also Wikipedia in google.has the print of the house..save as you can put it in your records..dawley and botwell became brickfields brickmaking using the new canal...my crowd were there...censuses st marys church book......... more >>

  • Re: September 3rd by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 7-Sep-2013
    From Victoria County History of Middlesex:

    In 1735 Bolingbroke left England and by 1737 he was trying to sell Dawley. The eventual purchaser, Edward Stephenson, seems to have lived there for a while, but by the time Lord Uxbridge bought the property, Stephenson had a tenant, named Abraham Hume. Uxbridge used the house himself, and his successor, Lord Paget, had work done on it during his short... more >>

  • Re: September 3rd by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Sep-2013
    that's lovely thanks colin..good read thanks

  • Re: September 3rd by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Sep-2013
    Greenford church oldfield lane off the high st......5pm..today songs praise tv...bill turnball..hollies star sings old rugged cross..peter Howarth of the 60s group.....antique roadshow Eastbourne beach front....leslie crowther of kids crackerjack 11.15 pm itv.

  • Re: September 3rd by Bill Henley (Member 10272156) on 8-Sep-2013
    Many thanks for the links to information and images ref. Dawley. I must investigate further. It is very difficult to imagine Southall and the surrounding area before the canal and railway. They are physical features that have really defined the development of the area and cut across estates such as Dawley. Cranford Park has been similarly changed by the M4 etc. It is a shame that the historic cell... more >>

  • Re: September 3rd by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Sep-2013
    have old ones of splash ..my dad family kids played there 1918 yrs....put your and slides on a flickr free site like denis sexton did...member on here ..then we can all see...on flickr.....grey lady ghost cranford 2013 Hounslow council done lots to cranford stables ..ha-ha...church there guided walks and nature talk walks.....berkeley loads in google photos etc cranford...........mine geneolgy..ba... more >>

  • Re: September 3rd by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Sep-2013
    board15..last week gazette 30 yrs gt sales of McEwan book..all local areas southall etc

  • Re: September 3rd by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 8-Sep-2013
    Thats interesting songs of praise i lived round the corner from Peter Howarth he whent to the same night club i did in the 60/70/80 when i lived in Lancashire the Hollys played at the Imperial ballroom famous

  • Re: September 3rd by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 8-Sep-2013
    Thats interesting songs of praise i lived round the corner from Peter Howarth he whent to the same night club i did in the 60/70/80 when i lived in Lancashire the Hollys played at the Imperial ballroom famous

  • Re: September 3rd by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 8-Sep-2013
    Thats interesting songs of praise i lived round the corner from Peter Howarth he whent to the same night club i did in the 60/70/80 when i lived in Lancashire the Hollys played at the Imperial ballroom famous in the north for such groups as the Beatles Kinks. Dusty Springfield, & a lot of Tamla Mo town stares

  • Re: September 3rd by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Sep-2013
    gt peter that's gt....we both liked hollies.a lot..he was good today singing on tv..that's good denis..

  • Re: September 3rd by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 8-Sep-2013
    Most of the Hollys came frome Pendle (Nelson) Lancashire.

  • Re: September 3rd by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Sep-2013
    my hubby from Hounslow Feltham never knew..of local hollies was suprised gt.......searchers..lead singer .in hubbys 6th form with him..Hounslow grammar springgrove..we went to see them sing lampton pk..lots west London artists...gt for west London 60s etc....thriving record buyers..clubs etc...buzzing in the 60s locally.....

  • Re: September 3rd by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Sep-2013
    http://www.traditionsofsuffolk.com/index.php?page=NLDVD35%20Donald%20Steel

    in google Suffolk man book..auctioneer back to his gdad southall horse mkt..market.royal charter from 1660s..earl jersey also gave.land ...southall one of 2 the main ones London middx markets animals...famous southall as one of only two main.ones..whole middx London...in google....

  • Re: September 3rd by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Sep-2013
    towards the end of 30mins.....3 bridges early colour film.....tv.freeview today..8.30 pm...bbc4 channel 9....rural nice green quiet area colour of old 3 bridges old film..there...and the regent canal going through the zoo..Britain on film.1 out of 10 episodes..1st one...boat show there old film at earls court...closed now becoming flats..

    series 2..messing about in boats..with ornaments of narr... more >>

  • Re: September 3rd by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 11-Sep-2013
    EVERYTHING is becoming flats Yvonne. Apparently, if you ask people who live in the flats where Perivale Maternity Hospital was, they'll tell you they've never heard of it, yet they live on the very site where it used to be!! . So many people have moved into the area now who have no idea at all just how lovely West Middlesex used to be in our own lifetimes!

  • Re: September 3rd by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Sep-2013
    photos..1987/9 ish demolish Perivale my cousin daughter born there....new ealing hospital built....yes lots flats......3 horseshoes opposite southall town.hall sold..going to be new shops flat above....pub built 1914 stop then finished 1918/9.....
    .on the site of the 1850 pub...

  • Re: September 3rd by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 12-Sep-2013
    Thank goodness we've got some good photos of the Three Horseshoes on our Southallboards, and also on Google. That was one of the landmarks in Southall High Street, especially being on the corner opposite the Town Hall. Can still visualise "Spike" the copper hanging around outside the pub and keeping an eye on all the kids who got up to mischief! Happy days.

  • Re: September 3rd by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 12-Sep-2013
    My old Southall friend Howard Pullen(sadly no longer with us) had his wedding reception at the Three Horshoes as I recall-mid 50's

  • Re: September 3rd by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Sep-2013
    local lady few weeks ago went in saw landlord manager....he had old sign swinging type..on floor back yard he gave it to her...she has in her garden....my gdad uncles would be amazed..land,mark trafficlights,..main heart crossrds of southall...it is winding down with solicitors..exchanged contracts......new car park opened this week along a bit..on old cattle mkt site.......if built 1914 100yr her... more >>

  • Re: September 3rd by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Sep-2013
    pub interiors porch front door etc etc 3 horseshoes scroll down couple photos...it is there....
    http://www.flickriver.com/places/United+Kingdom/England/London/Dormer%27s+Wells/search/

  • Re: September 3rd by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Sep-2013
    good film..google...there go the boats..by british transport films......1951...canal...so much in it...swing bridge......... spikes bridge was pre 1934

  • Re: September 3rd by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Sep-2013
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnrO6Nb3qQo&list=PLEC1784C3CE826462&index=1

    canal

  • Re: September 3rd by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Sep-2013
    town house pub ealing broadway....in google and photos new corner there now...it is metro bank...huge corner......originally ancient feathers pub.....

  • Re: September 3rd by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Sep-2013
    excellent film...in google..the best...2nd half is the most.....1930s huge davies timber southall canal...bulls bridge 1930s those working...nestle..so much....dockshuge busy. barges...grand union...through southall...birmingham etc...venice London........in google ..canal boats .grand union canal 1930s..film number 8598 of Huntley archive.....

  • Re: September 3rd by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Sep-2013
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAJDnm30h_k&list=PLEC1784C3CE826462&index=13

    canal 1930s grand union..southall etc there

  • Re: September 3rd by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 13-Sep-2013
    Tap in "Images for Three Horseshoes Southall Middlesex". Also lots of photos of the pub and others.

  • Re: September 3rd by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 13-Sep-2013
    I remember the lumber yards along the Grand Union. Really fascinating places, lovely smells of wood. Around 1960, many were as they had been 30 years earlier, full of old machinery and where the barges (a few still did in 1960) tied up

  • Re: September 3rd by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-Sep-2013
    thanks...Pauline ..keith..thanks

  • Re: September 3rd by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 13-Sep-2013
    All of our Southallboards are knocked out at the moment. They are working on it!

  • Re: September 3rd by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-Sep-2013
    yes all morning..in general all others also are.......but my one
    the link given...is rare nearly 10 photos interiors also...rare tiles of porch entrance area etc..parr famous pub architect..tiles of 2 fireplaces..salvage should preserve for southall ealing museum..not just sell of...or smash .stained glass etc..

  • Re: September 3rd by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-Sep-2013
    in google.....3 horseshoes....because pubs near farrier smithy....one leg being shod.....sleep..rest..on 3 legs..alternate....we saw our lovely suffolks at fete..chesnut gloss shiny...huge weight...helps rest the legs..oldest part of one 3 horseshoes pub yr1520....

  • Re: September 3rd by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-Sep-2013
    its back....now.......Pauline.....in google .oldest 3 horseshoes pub in country side 1520.....named near farrier or smithy.....ours by leggetts southall.......sleep or rest 3 legs to share weight...and 3 legs down when being shod....we saw our fete suffolks beauty chesnut..on 3 legs resting.....

  • Re: September 3rd by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-Sep-2013
    if you do...british pathe ...movie tone..films youtube in google....long list southall films...1935...1955...1964....all yrs....lots closeups faces kids etc...in google...events people..etc...

  • Re: September 3rd by penny (Member 10265839) on 14-Sep-2013
    Have just finished reading "Maidens' Trip" by Emma Smith which is a true account of her interview in Hayes then a wartime adventure on the Grand Union Canal between Bulls Bridge and Coventry/Birmingham. Emma Smith is now 91 but has written 2 more books about her upbringing between the two wars, then during WWII - "The Great Western Beach" and "As Green as Grass". They are fascinating for all the... more >>

  • Re: September 3rd by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-Sep-2013
    thankyou penny will have look,,,1930s film..grandunion southall hayes etc.....in google to view free.....and another one there at later yr....xxx

  • Re: September 3rd by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-Sep-2013
    thanks penny...great reads of it in google...1943 London to Birmingham and back trip...steel...coal etc..2 72 ft long narrowboats...3 18 yr old girl..join boater families..men gone to war...she wrote it fast 1948 to get money..was poor..200 pages.was 2010 bbc 4 play..can hear in iplayer...pbk £9..nice cover of 9/10 girls 1943.on barge...they had reunion..91 yrs old lady she talks of her 1st book.... more >>

  • Re: September 3rd by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-Sep-2013
    her autobiog bks...in google...go with it.well.....bucket spade newquay..dad war hero 1st war..but move Plymouth bank clerk..he went to mental trouble..she age 16...m15 Blenheim palace.but bored..joins 1943 war wk..canal.5 siblings she had.she born 1923...grass is greener bk....and gt western beach......sad love In paris..so writes 4 bks..goes india with film writing..lives Chelsea..photo of her 9... more >>

  • Re: September 3rd by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 15-Sep-2013
    TV last night Polish 303 squd. Northolt B.O.B very good, highest score of any squd. in the battle

  • Re: September 3rd by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Sep-2013
    yes saw all of it very gd indeed..Northolt....their orchard pub nearby..gt poles..at memorial..huge group gather..museum over yr now at Northolt poles glass cabinets displays...

  • Re: September 3rd by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 15-Sep-2013
    Thanks Yvonne could not remember the local pub name they used.

  • Re: September 3rd by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Sep-2013
    yes walk or big..to...orchard pubballroom dances...behind the Ruislip high st shops..left side..west side...on the road to Ickenham..old lane...lots photos of it in google yr 1940s....

  • Re: September 3rd by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 15-Sep-2013
    Talking of pubs i was in Southall this morning stopped & took pics of Three Horse Shoes before it goes it looks to still be open Southall center just will not be the same. I know there ar lots of pics of it but will post anyway on my photoboard.

  • Re: September 3rd by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Sep-2013
    yes ..says landlord there open while solicitors do paper work...gd photos thanks denis will look....thanks..new tarmac car pk...along at the old cattle mkt high gate fence..entry.....new opened week ago...

  • Re: September 3rd by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Sep-2013
    your photos gd....1948 /54///1954/8good lady marg dormers
    and guiness clock devon 1954 gt..

  • Re: September 3rd by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 15-Sep-2013
    Yes took a look at the new car park looks very diffrent from the Saturday market i used to go to with mum.

  • Re: September 3rd by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Sep-2013
    they had balloons mayor etc there for 1st day high gate fence.gazette photo.carpk

  • Re: September 3rd by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 16-Sep-2013
    Thanks for the pictures of "The Three Horseshoes" on your photostream d.sexton428 Denis. At least we've got the very last ones of this once thriving, lovely old pub. Southall won't look the same without it.

  • Re: September 3rd by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 16-Sep-2013
    Thanks Pauline glad you like.

  • Re: September 3rd by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Sep-2013
    thanks..and round the right south side...wall of it......large area land there................excellent tonight tv..11pm.freeview 19...ewan McGregor...battle Britain..Northolt .uxb..biggin hill...Churchill speech never field human conflict so much owed to so few...on leaving uxb bunker ops hq.then repeated in hse commons...spit hurricane huge models at Northolt..polish war memorial annual sept cer... more >>

  • Re: September 3rd by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 17-Sep-2013
    Forgot pic of Holy Trinity Hall for anyone who has not been in Southall for a long time d.sexton428.

  • Re: September 3rd by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 17-Sep-2013
    My goodness, that looks nothing like the old Holy Trinity Hall that I remember at the top of Lady Margaret road. This one looks a bit like a Mosque.

  • Re: September 3rd by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 17-Sep-2013
    yes been mosque long time..now.....right the wall corner of 1900s town hall built.....holy trinity hall went long time ago......thanks photos denis gt..cattle mkt given charter yr 1698..2013 turned into carpk....2 main cattle animal mkts of the gt county of middx..southall was one of the main 2...1922 3 horseshoes opened...1914 war took long time..build on of war yrs .on site of old one of 1800s yrs.....

  • Re: September 3rd by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 17-Sep-2013
    David Sextons photographs-wonderful collection Dave-agree with Pauline on Holy Trinity Hall.
    It was there when at Sunday School pre-war I misbehaved, and was made to sit in a girl's class!!

  • Re: September 3rd by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 17-Sep-2013
    Thanks Michael, yes remember mum telling one of the oldest charted cattle markets

  • Re: September 3rd by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 17-Sep-2013
    Michael somehow i dont think that would be allowed today.

  • Re: September 3rd by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 17-Sep-2013
    Just to be strictly correct Holy Trinity Hall is now a Hindu Temple not a mosque, likewise the old St John's Hall in King Street is also a Hindu Temple.

  • Re: September 3rd by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 17-Sep-2013
    Thanks for that Colin. I can still see St John's church in South road in my mind's eye. It always had a large Notice board in front with "God is Love" on it I think, with iron railings around it. I suppose that lovely old tree that was always there in my childhood has long gone now. There was a pub opposite (the name escapes me at present). I suppose that has also gone?

  • Re: September 3rd by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 17-Sep-2013
    Just remembered the pub. It was the Havelock Arms.

  • Re: September 3rd by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 17-Sep-2013
    Havelock pub opposite now betting office.inside it...yes big brightblue board outside church.....tonight bbc1..at the end..new tricks...gt whole photos filming of whole of bankside area..southall 5 swans...gas holder in background.....row of all terraced..houses...arrested the murderer there..at his door....................also.they have filmed before oldfield lane Greenford..............

  • Re: September 3rd by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Sep-2013
    friars lawn norwood green up for sale again..Hayley mills.lived......mr selfridge lived..1780 Georgian..mansion....goes for million..or more....8 bedrooms..tall in all old photos...new white villa built along a bit went for jan 2013..995000...the norwood hall along..was famous horticult college...is now Sikh school huge grounds..yr 1800 place....sultan brunei.windmill lane villa huge and swim pool... more >>

  • Re: September 3rd by Jean Kirby (Member 10268700) on 20-Sep-2013
    Pauline: It's sad to see that the tree by the church hall opposite the Havelock Arms in King Street has indeed gone, in fact the only thing there now is a type of mural in bright colours. It really is sad to see the memories of our childhood have disappeared. My husband and I were shocked to see that so much of our childhood had gone when we visited Southall last year.

  • Re: September 3rd by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Sep-2013
    kings hall closed jan.boarded..they cant afford upkeep repairs..built 1916...march they went to downing st to protest building needs to be listed preserved.....3 horseshoes solicitor dealing with...open for a while till decide who will take over the land the site..to become what...palace cinema..indoor mkt......cattle mkt closed then.sept 2013 opened as a tarmac car pk......Havelock pub.betting of... more >>

  • Re: September 3rd by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Sep-2013
    2012 street view free in google camera van goes everywhere ...can see all..............

  • Re: September 3rd by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Sep-2013
    2012 street view free in google camera van goes everywhere ...can see all..............

  • Re: September 3rd by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Sep-2013
    2012 street view free in google camera van goes everywhere ...can see all................

  • Re: September 3rd by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 22-Sep-2013
    Jean - Thank you for the news about that lovely old tree in the grounds of St John's church. I guessed it would be gone. I last visited Southall in 2000 with my brother David, who is no longer with us. He asked me what I would like to do on my birthday, and I said I'd love to see Southall for the last time. We didn't get as far as "over the other side" of Southall. We did manage to see Northcote A... more >>

  • Re: September 3rd by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 22-Sep-2013
    (This bit was left off). When we glanced at where the Palace had been, I suddenly realised that our beloved Southall had indeed changed. I wouldn't have missed the trip for anything. I forgot to mention that our school alley from Dane road, through Lancaster road (past where Wimpeys was) to the back of Tudor road school, was still there, just the same as it always was! It was such a comfort.

  • Re: September 3rd by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Sep-2013
    lovely memories.....the other day just north side of spikes bridge..load noise as fish jumped out of the canal for insects..then..circling ring as went back in with a splash....bullrushes reeds up there..on the nature pond..of the old hole of the brickmaking..dug out..heron..regularily there ..pair swans..coots mallards.seagulls..cormorant...some parakeets in high mobile phone mast they have built..nest on top.

  • Re: September 3rd by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Sep-2013
    just think .all the school kids through the alleys to tudor rd school...1930s and before....and to 2013..busy alleys..and over from spikes bridge......open day southall police station today as usual...motorbikes kids get to go on..and photos out at spikes pk canal swans also..there...
    https://twitter.com/EalingMPS/media/grid

  • Re: September 3rd by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 22-Sep-2013
    Pauline that takes me back i used to go through the Dane Road alley to meet dad when he finished work at Wimpeys in my peddle car then race him on hes bike back through Spikes bridge Park to Lady Margaret Road.

  • Re: September 3rd by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 22-Sep-2013
    That's a lovely memory to have Denis. That's something no-one can take away from us all - our memories of Southall.

  • Re: September 3rd by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 22-Sep-2013
    Thank you Pauline thats what our Southall site is about.

  • Re: September 3rd by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Sep-2013
    9000 on the beaches...one show..dday...today..bbc 1..at 7pm...aerial shot of carve memorial in sand 9000 lost lives...see it...denis............moving

  • Re: September 3rd by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 24-Sep-2013

    Yes thanks Yvonne i watched it very moveing.

  • Re: September 3rd by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Sep-2013
    yes it is in gooogle..photos..of sandsculpture there huge one..then this weekend the low flat sand figuresj.9000 of them...so good..

  • Re: September 3rd by Bill Henley (Member 10272156) on 24-Sep-2013
    I was very sad recently to see St John's Church so run down along with the attached buildings and the Havelock Road Cemetery. I was surprised then to find this very positive web page at http://www.stjohnsouthall.org.uk . When I visited, itI was unclear whether original St John's church still had any function and the 1910 church was closed and looking very sad. I remember the hall next to the ol... more >>

  • Re: September 3rd by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Sep-2013
    wonder where those coloured slides are now..be nice to see....yes old st john..1837 to 1909/10,,,,,too small...so new st john built 1909....www....expect that is the new st john web site...services couple photos inside bright blue.decor..etc.....seen in google........wrote to them yr ago ask what for at old st john..no reply.from them........it is closed locked up..tombs .there.but the ..hall alwa... more >>

  • Re: September 3rd by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 25-Sep-2013
    Bill - You mentioning crumpets reminds me that a man used to come round on a Sunday in Bankside in 1936 ringing his bell with a tray on his head, shouting "Muffins & Crumpets". I remember it quite clearly, as he used to walk right to the bottom of the road where we lived.

  • Re: September 3rd by Chris (Member 10220786) on 25-Sep-2013
    I remember muffin man too. He used to come down Grove Terrace. Also remember a Cockle and Winkle man.
    Chris x

  • Re: September 3rd by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 25-Sep-2013
    He also came down Somerset Road to Lady Margaret Road as well.

  • Re: September 3rd by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Sep-2013
    cockle winkle man also outside northcote pubs sunday lunchtimes many yrs..he brought home..for sunday tea with breadbutter....muscles whelks jellied eels..needle to get black head of winkles..vinegar.

  • Re: September 3rd by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Sep-2013
    today have been working on northcote pub at last....re roofing..it..now..... .after fire burnt out roof so very long now....so wait see what becomes....

  • Re: September 3rd by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Sep-2013
    denis....did you hear anything......1940 pupil st ann..now 80...said was marker plaque in the grounds...covered well spring.....said..it was the origin..of the town name hanwell.......but springfield rd....if just their spring......the main..the spring.building.....is by church rd vicarage..hermitage ,church,, bunny pk....says is the irigin ..well spring..of the name hanwell......huge flooding riv... more >>

  • Re: September 3rd by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Sep-2013
    historian.in here link...google..says..hanwell the town had it s.....town pump..and the town well ..in st ann grounds.springwell rd....1915.hanwell..............my 1940 pupil said it was covered with plaque marker to say about well...wish had photo of it..and info.......did you hear of it denis......http://edithsstreets.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/river-brent-hanwell.html

  • Re: September 3rd by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Sep-2013
    denis...another link in google......halfacre viaduct pub.uxbridge rd..nearby the....town pump well..in grounds of st ann..school..............but origin of the hamlet.of hanwell .is yr 1100 church hanwell church rd by bunny pk...hermitage ..the spring dwelling...the green hundreds yrs had pond........so well springs there..river brent meanders floods........http://www.mazefind.co.uk/cgi-bin/cms/oh... more >>

  • Re: September 3rd by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 27-Sep-2013
    Thanks Yvonne sorry dont know anything about the plaque, but i am certain dad told me the village pump you mention is now on the Uxbridge Road next to the bus stop where the West Middx golf course hedge is, as you say this could be the start of the name Hanwell(Handwell).

  • Re: September 3rd by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Sep-2013
    yes southall water pump by bus stop..north side ..top of the dormers comlex of springdale dip....ponds..extended areas there of golf course......yes has been confirmed st ann school hanwell had the town water pump..well spring....just north of uxbridge rd...it was the town water pump..because...just north of main rd uxbridge coaches London..rd..behind the famous coach horses became viaduct..pub...... more >>

 
Jonathan Oates book "Southall by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 20-Aug-2013
On p 25 of this book is a photograph of two cottages on the junction of Meadow Road and North Road. This brought back a memory from when I lived in North Road.(1933-1951). It would have been in the 1930's, and our cat went missing. I called on various neighbours seeking him-finally found him in one of the cottages,stretched out on the hearth rug, having demolished a saucer of milk!
It must... more >>
  
  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Aug-2013
    gt milk ..mike..yes they do like their comfort and will go anywhere..make themselves at home....ha......xx

  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Aug-2013
    please....mike...denis.....what were the house names also colours of boys school dormers wells.....I know the 6 girls of school.......boys.olympians..Spartans..were there 6..what colours....thankyou...very grateful to you...so kind..best wishes...as always......southall grammar..curie...scott...keller..and other ones not known....thankyou...

  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 21-Aug-2013
    As far as I can remember, our class names in 1943 at Southall County School were alpha, beta, gamma, delta. Can't remember the school colours.

  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Aug-2013
    lovely thanks Pauline...so later at the 50s 60s.probably changed...............wonder what dormers were after the merge 1967....boys with girls new comprehensives..wonder what the house names colours were.....my hubbys grammar...were navy..4 houses...nelson..drake .Collingwood.etc

  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Aug-2013
    yes hubbys form classes called alpha beta etc...............the sports games.at dormers..were very much the house names.........badges worn.by house captains..blue for darling..red for fry..yellow for nightingale..white for curie..mauve for cavell..green for slessor.......then southall grammar sports captains of houses were .curie..keller..scott..after famous people..

  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Aug-2013
    Pauline..there is a very young age .vague memory of somebody.that..going to tudor rd school...via northcote ave through an alley...near norman ave.....that in the back garden there .a huge bird raven..was..kept...ring any bells to you...ha...ha..

  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by Bill Henley (Member 10272156) on 21-Aug-2013
    This may have been mentioned before but the Ham paintings of Southall are easily viewable at:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/arts/yourpaintings/paintings/search/painted_by/ham-ernest-a-l-18741958

    I struggle to identify the location of some of them but they are a super record of the area around 1900. It is also interesting to search your current home locality. I have just found an interesting Stanley... more >>

  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Aug-2013
    spencer lovely we have been to his cookham...ham..right of painting says location..let us know which you need..explain...can help..73 gt paintings by ham...some at Hounslow library by him..also...2 yrs have loved these paintings gt on line..see real thing ealing library......

  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Aug-2013
    bill........half way through all the many..spencer on line....not found local farm yet........does it have title date..where location of painting being held////please grateful..thanks.........would love to see.......go through the other half paintings now..spencer on line..hundreds...lots cookham..farms etc.......

  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Aug-2013
    bill......have sent email to spencer.organisation.....ask farm where date,,,where painting held...ask to see picture of it...and what farm where...200 online have been through titled.read all but..cant see it bill..........but he did many long yrs many....

  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 21-Aug-2013
    Yvonne have racked my brain remembering Dormers school house was in will dig my school report out & see if its in there. Will post pics of Lady Marg, & Dormers report books on photoboard.

  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 21-Aug-2013
    No Yvonne, I don't remember any ravens in anybody's back garden.

  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Aug-2013
    lovely will look denis.....ok raven thanks Pauline..unlikely famous artist like spencer did southall or local farm.of around there.......lots of cookham..abroad... Suffolk cornwall.etc portraits..etc.

  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by Bill Henley (Member 10272156) on 21-Aug-2013
    Here is the link to the Spencer painting:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/arts/yourpaintings/paintings/farm-pond-leonard-stanley-201987

    He lived at Leonard Stanley for awhile. The farm yard is still recognisable today with the a number of buildings being holiday lets. The far building on the left (you can only see the roof) is a Saxon Church. The building currently used a a workshop. The later large No... more >>

  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Aug-2013
    ah...saw one farm pond......so will go with your info...thanks..yes saw one called farm pond..will look reply when can thanks
    bill good of you....ta

  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Aug-2013
    not got to your link yet.....but turner massive and experts tate gallery millbank by thames...they would know be able to find out...........he lived while with his uncle Brentford.......plaque on wall of house.........gt programme tv turner weeks ago videoed..watched it 3 times so good...life and all his famous work..life.and skill..so interesting..bbc think...

  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Aug-2013
    gazette published.....must be from ealing library info....1960s.published....southall library....ealing has archive of gazette...dr oates librarian email in google..he would tell you of it all.....been there 15 yrs ish..he is very gd..local history library section..has written well used books on southall etc..he has.....gazette wrote of so library may have photographs of the m...or prints of them/... more >>

  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Aug-2013
    just type it straight into google...farm pond leonard Stanley village Gloucestershire.........by Stanley spencer...he lived there a few times.white hart inn with friends....painted 5 landscapes..there...oil on canvas....given to the tate gallery..by levy family 1990.....1939 there 1940 painting...he died 1959......picture of it large in google...Gloucestershire village called.leonard Stanley...eas... more >>

  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by Ronald Cox (Member 10259196) on 21-Aug-2013
    Dormers colours for boys 1943-1947 was maroon and white. The soccer team used these colours in the shirts which were pre war rugby shirts used at dormers. They were hoop coloured and there is a picture of teams wearing them in Friends and Southall Knowhere. one is rugby the other soccer. I do not remember house names being used in those years.

  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by Ronald Cox (Member 10259196) on 21-Aug-2013
    Not Knowhere but in Flifr
    Ron

  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Aug-2013
    lovely thanks ron...gt...yes on flickr the sports boys dormers...and friends reunited.....yes be 1960s..the others were thinking of house names in dormers girls school....perhaps couple of names used at dormers boys also like that.....later 1960s..great enjoyment for you your young school sport rugby soccer....lovely...big field at the back was dormers....thankyou...best wishes to the family and y... more >>

  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Aug-2013
    something you would know Pauline...streetview with the side alley ..alleys to municipal pk spikes.....spikes bridge rd one..and also..one from..nearer dane rd......into the bridge....and the other one into the side along a bit..into the park..and became annexe for the elderly,in there hedges around.. and..off to pavilion etc.....2 alleys...into the south side..of your area of the park...between th... more >>

  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Aug-2013
    photos on board 15...one alley opposite Viking rd...spikes rd..2 alleys into..pk and,,,
    bridge...

  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 22-Aug-2013
    To my knowledge Yvonne, there was only ever one alleyway into Spikes Bridge and the canal. If you look closely at the two photos on Southallboard15, you will see that on the older photo on the right hand side, "Spikes Bridge road" sign is fixed to the wooden fence. The photo on the left hand side is a later photo, and has "Spikes Bridge road" sign attached to the street lamp post. If you look at t... more >>

  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Aug-2013
    lovely thanks...2 families living along there but later yrs ..few and mayo.thought 2 ...but I only remember one...I went in the alley...the path from the alley swooped round and over the bridge...but on my right..the gate went into the back corner there of the park.....then path inside the park.going gradually along to he big main gates opposite west ave...path had high hedges..bushes growth..bit ... more >>

  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by Ronald Cox (Member 10259196) on 22-Aug-2013
    There were portable type buildings in the park adjacent to Spikes Bridge Rd used as a coucil child minding center. Not sure if there was an access from Spikes Bridge Rd.Time wise late in war years or just after.

  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Aug-2013
    yes ron..in the 50s...there were annexe buildings..in the west going towards the back section of the pk....children..then later the elderly...thanks..best wishes....

  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 23-Aug-2013
    Ron the nursery is sill there it is next to the new pavillion there is a pic on my photoboard.

  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 23-Aug-2013
    Thanks for your pictures of the new Pavilion and nursery Denis. There are some lovely ones on your Flicker d.sexton428 flicker. I looked at the picture of the Manor House pond which was restored in 2012 and thought that the pond didn't look as nice as the one we used to see in our childhood with all the lovely white water lillies in bloom.

  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Aug-2013
    Pauline .mike ron denis all.....photos of new yeading hayes sport..fc.....west side of canal looks..gt...fc.under construction aug2013.football...huge looks wonderful..big push modern sport.....some sport Olympics in mind.....

  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 23-Aug-2013
    Thanks Pauline & Yvonne, havent forgot school reports still trying to find them, but did find some 1950s pics of the Guinness clock that traveled around the coast in the 50/60s dad took the pics 1954 in Devon will post.

  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Aug-2013
    ok lovely..will see gt.....new football....over the canal being constructed..should be fantastic..hayes yeading fc

  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Aug-2013
    1913 etc..1935...brooklands.....on one show bbc tv..today..test centre...banking racing...most historic significant in world..it.was.....

  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Aug-2013
    denis..today.on bbc tv news. german war plane off Ramsgate.they raised june 2013 ..bbc tv showed german outside berlin store..huge amazing war plane parts..after conservation to be at raf museum hendon

  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 25-Aug-2013
    Yes thanks Yvonne missed it been out all day, but have seen the actual aircraft at RAF Cosford a few weeks ago.

  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Aug-2013
    oh good yes they said they were conserving it..said due to go to Hendon...thanks..

  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 26-Aug-2013
    Yes being sprayed with citric acid (lemmon juice)

  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Aug-2013
    clever all the work they do..tv yesterday showed it just come out of the sea...but they do such clever work..mary rose extra exhibition now portmouth....yrs of gt conserve achievements..

  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 26-Aug-2013
    Yes a while before the Dornier 17 gets to Hendon.

  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Aug-2013
    ok thanks...bbc 2 today 7pm...flog it dormers wells lane home local hist soc .many many yrs southall George twyman,,,collection martinware..book shelves local hist...nice man 80ish now 1960 1930...all local areas had local hist soc...still do memories nostalgia archice records..maps infom...heritage.....antique expert went to martin graves Havelock..said only 1 third sale able...George said 2 thir... more >>

  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 26-Aug-2013
    You talked of Hastings pier recently 6 o/clock news tonight selling shares to aid restoration

  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Aug-2013
    yes saw it....gt....heard all they said over yr to complete...gt.....we have been on many many piers love it...this yr Bournemouth and boscombe gorgeous.....

  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by Kathleen Campbell (Member 10236272) on 27-Aug-2013
    How do I get into Page 25 t see the pics of North and Meadows Road please Kathleen Campbell

  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Aug-2013
    north rd and meadow rd ..by the school..are on street view..in google....nice to see.....photos of the school...photos of the kids and classrooms over the yrs..are in flickr....in google..let us know.

  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Aug-2013
    Pauline...been on radio4...few yrs now..but never chance to hear it..pity......today 3pm.making history...ruth of wartime farm tv..and dan snow..military historian...

  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Aug-2013
    john Christie of rillington place film..murder...1920s 30s etc...his life petty crime...9 mths prison..3 mths prison...arrested southall pk.lived lodged southall..books by ealing librarian...archive ealing uxbridge libraries...and kew archive trails...prisons....one time..worked 3 local cinema..one in southall...gd read local.....http://eddiethecomputer.co.uk/history/Pub/Christie_Uxbridge.pdf

  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 27-Aug-2013
    Posted pics of school reports Lady Marg. Rd & Dormers Wells 1948/58.

  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Aug-2013
    5 gt photos..thanks denis...really good...

  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Sep-2013
    Pauline..book..history of Villiers high school....but front cover photos boy girl look like.history as it was uniform..perhaps 40s .grammar county school....board15..........very sad david prost died heart attack lst night ship..queen eliz....that was week we watched and interviews...tv on leaving Cambridge uni...

  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Sep-2013
    hank Jeffrey lived 74 ascot gdns..war raf..his name left off southall grammar board..so 1987..ian..had it put on...item ..in google

  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 1-Sep-2013
    Next Sunday songs of praise from Holly Cross church Greenford

  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Sep-2013
    yes 2nd episode...1st..mike braden and I watched...8th sept now 2nd with bill turnball.holy cross oldfield lane......photo flats planned for redlion site on board15...etc etc..30 aug gazette complaints..

  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Sep-2013
    holy cross..new church finished 1947..by the old small original.....photos gazette new flats for redlion site board15..etc etc..Osterly etc

  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 1-Sep-2013
    Yvonne, I couldn't find the photograph of Southall County School on Southallboard 15. I've looked twice for it. Can you tell me whereabouts it is. I know it's difficult now that the format has been changed. It was so much nicer when we had the individual photos on the Boards.

  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Sep-2013
    yes board 15...2 pupils in uniform..of.yrs ago..uniform on..cover ..book by ian...hstory of Villiers high sch.....1907 county onwards..booklet...had its 100 yr anniversary..cover on board15...yes there.....yes don't like new flickr...but got used to it a bit these last couple wks...let me know if..you get now.....xxx

  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Sep-2013
    yes it is there...........a few photos in now...2 pupils on cover booklet photo.....1974 became Villiers..1963 southall tech..1945 southall grammar..1907 onwards built...county school....hope you like the farm..work horses..show we went to Osterley..harness brasses etc..plough...photos..

  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 1-Sep-2013
    Yes, I found it quite easily this time. The uniforms were a bit older than the ones we wore. If I remember rightly we had navy berets with the school badge on it."Labor omnia vincit." Work conquers all. The horses at Osterley show were magnificent. It reminds you of all those years ago when it was a common sight to see all the Shire horses working on the canals and the delivery horses carting all ... more >>

  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Sep-2013
    he spoke so well of his horses...microphone speakers...we listened to every word...rare now suffolks...after 2nd war and machinery.farms.plough etc.logs....chesnut beauties...was 2 gt days festival Osterley..so much there.....grammar.uniform look gt..bit older..so perhaps 30s or so...gt cover photo.for over 100yrs..booklet...today.redion Greenford gazette article there..flats shops for corner.pict... more >>

  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Sep-2013
    gazette..those worked emi...or....memories hayes...photos films...there...meet sept at emi...old vinyl factory building called...events there sept ......http://www.hillingdon.gov.uk/article/27085/Contribute-to-film-festival-at-Old-Vinyl-Factory

  • Re: Jonathan Oates book by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 2-Sep-2013
    Ment.now....tony scanned your bankside from this weeks gazette today..so glad you liked..computer allows to enlarge improve..old little newspaper photo.....

  • Re: ATC Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-Aug-2013
    SOUTHALL GRAMMAR WAR LIST 1943 ETC....IN GOOGLE.....http://www.jcproctor.co.uk/schoolmwork.html

  • Re: ATC Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Aug-2013
    Saturday 17th..10.25 am.bbc2 tv..Osterley pk..home guard...etc....105 bus Greenford high st to southall 1948.board15.flickr photos... ..and ..war buses London..tow..water into coal fuel.....save fuel..war.....the London transport archive on line photos very good.....Britain from air..good in google..master Robert gt west rd..Heston 1934..marquees swim pool..ace spades garage there..but what pool i... more >>

  • Re: ATC Southall by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Aug-2013
    today itv..news tv....canals.....street view extended to tow path etc..canals...in next mths be online....4 with camera backpack...see cafes pubs...tow path for joggers bikes etc...leisure ...show where you are...etc.....Ruislip lido opened by mayor yesterday £2m refurbish restaurant café...education centre nature etc etc etc...continue more in year to come also....

 
Beech Nut Chewing Gum by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 29-Jul-2013
I was thinking only the other day of the small packets of Beech Nut chewing gum that we would buy sometimes because they were only tuppence & Wrigley's was sixpence.

I was sure that Beech Nut was English but from Google it would appear it's American. I've never seen it in the shops whenever I've gone back to UK, I wonder if it's still available.
  
  • Re: Beech Nut Chewing Gum by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 29-Jul-2013
    I don't ever remember seeing it or buying it Fred. Don't know where I was.

  • Re: Beech Nut Chewing Gum by Chris (Member 10220786) on 29-Jul-2013
    I remember that chewing gum - tiny yello/green/white packets. Very strong mint flavour! mmmmmmmmm Chris x

  • Re: Beech Nut Chewing Gum by Janice Johnson (Member 10240407) on 29-Jul-2013
    I remember Beech Nut chewing gum and so does my husband. I was doing a crossword the other day and had to find the answer to what substance was contained in chewing gum. The answer was Chicles. This set me thinking and I can remember a chewing gum brand named Chiclets, tiny little pieces to chew on.

    Also, does anyone remember the boxes tangerines and oranges came in made of rough splintery wo... more >>

  • Re: Beech Nut Chewing Gum by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 29-Jul-2013
    Chris-I remember the chewing gum you describe-did you get it frm Goldswains??

  • Re: Beech Nut Chewing Gum by penny (Member 10265839) on 30-Jul-2013
    Yes, I remember Beech Nut. In fact I thought it was only 1d in the early 1950s. I have a very vivid memory of going into Ives the Newsagents in Western Road and asking for "a penny beech nut". And, you are correct, it was in a yellow and green wrapper about 1" high. Also, one of my favourites was a strip of everlasting toffee which indeed seemed to last forever.

  • Re: Beech Nut Chewing Gum by Chris (Member 10220786) on 30-Jul-2013
    Yes Mike.......GOLDSWAINS and Amsdom & Pope's. Mike - was there also a sweet shop on the parade of shops just past the Plough & Shackelton Road - I seem to recall the name ETHERDORES or something similar. Chris x

  • Re: Beech Nut Chewing Gum by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 30-Jul-2013

    Chris:I remember that sweet shop you mention-run by a middle age lady in my time. Re Amsden and Pope, the daughter was Norma, a couple of years younger than me.

  • Re: Beech Nut Chewing Gum by Chris (Member 10220786) on 30-Jul-2013
    I think I remember Norma Mike - in my minds eye I recall she was very pretty & always looked very elegant. She was always so patient with us children buying a 1/4 lb of sweets & a few 1d items. They also sold 'hundreds & thousands' in a glass tube with a little cork in the end. Glass tubes like that wouldn't be allowed now - so dangerous! Chris x x x

  • Re: Beech Nut Chewing Gum by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 30-Jul-2013
    Chirs would that be Etheringtons builders & plumbers merchants on North parade.

  • Re: Beech Nut Chewing Gum by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 30-Jul-2013
    There was also "PK" in the 50s too

  • Re: Beech Nut Chewing Gum by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 30-Jul-2013
    Hi Penny, I was talking about the early 60's when it was tuppence.

  • Re: Beech Nut Chewing Gum by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Jul-2013
    back from gt coast holiday......rock £1.50...now..45 pence in poole pottery..box of slightly broken sticks of rock..but gt..name through rock...ok at 45p//today...........Bournemouth ..old sweet shop..Chalfont st peter on line..vintage old sweet shops..all the old ones there..uxbridge has one..

  • Re: Beech Nut Chewing Gum by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 31-Jul-2013
    lovely county Dorset espcally like Pool & the harbour i belive its the biggest deepest natural harbour ln the world so much so that multi natonal oil company put in planning permission to build a refinery on Brownsea or one of the other islands but got told in no uncertain terms it was not a good idea.

  • Re: Beech Nut Chewing Gum by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 31-Jul-2013
    had gt tour harbour hour...one island bp on..yes...they drill...ok..green..looks ok...no trouble..baden powell.statue his 1st 10 boys took..1912 ish..gt brownsea island red squirrel....yes largest natural harbour world..gt tour man spoke it all.....but shallow they dredge regularily..gt chain.cars etc to lovely swanage..millions.cost sandbanks grace fields had place..etc..millionair row..fantastic... more >>

  • Re: Beech Nut Chewing Gum by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 31-Jul-2013
    beech nut photos....5 ..have saved 1940s 50s..package mainly yellow.......1916 usa....also package..in google ads..sheets..pages ...ebay in google..nice there beech...

  • Re: Beech Nut Chewing Gum by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 31-Jul-2013
    fred....ap archive...in google....film 1963 southall grammar.................http://www.aparchive.com/metadata/UK-GRAMMAR-SCHOOLS/9ec1c07faad8063b2b0c039a50831850?query=southall¤t=53&orderBy=Relevance&hits=90&referrer=search&search=%2Fsearch%2Ffilter%3Fquery%3Dsouthall%26from%3D41%26orderBy%3DRelevance%26ptype%3DIncludedProducts%26_%3D1375199276902&allFilters&productType=IncludedProducts&pag... more >>

  • Re: Beech Nut Chewing Gum by penny (Member 10265839) on 1-Aug-2013
    Yvonne - I'm afraid I can't make the link work but it would have been interesting because 1963 was the year I left Southall Grammar.

  • Re: Beech Nut Chewing Gum by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Aug-2013
    in google........type .ap archive....southall.....it has southall grammar film...in the search slot there..type Greenford..has the race trck.old one there ......Hounslow..uxbridge..ealing....has some.....in google type ap archive.....

  • Re: Beech Nut Chewing Gum by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 1-Aug-2013
    This link works Penny,

    http://www.aparchive.com/search?productId=&searchfilter=&query=southall+grammar

  • Re: Beech Nut Chewing Gum by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 7-Aug-2013
    My dad made us all five stones when he worked at the AEC. They were gold - probably brass, and they were really heavy when they landed on the back of your hands. A good game though.

  • Re: Beech Nut Chewing Gum by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Aug-2013
    lovely he made very beautiful brass.....but as you say...heavy etc to balance back hand...loved the plaster ones....liked the game so much and jacks......my cousin..sheet metal worker ..precision..one off pieces lifetime..skilled...he made gt unique ..stainless steel pieces....foreigners.call them..ha......brought home..made but wonderful things...still have some........clever beauty skilled work..shine....

 
The Great Gathering by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 21-Jul-2013
In May my daughter and I booked up for a few days in York from 17th-20th July. Little did we know what was in store for us. In July I discovered that a 75th Anniversary "The Great Gathering" was being held at the National Railway Museum in York, finishing on 17th July! This was a gathering together of the six A4 Steam Locomotives, celebrating the 75th Anniversary of the Mallard breaking the world ... more >>   
  • Re: The Great Gathering by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 29-Jul-2013
    I don't ever remember seeing it or buying it Fred. Don't know where I was!

  • Re: The Great Gathering by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 31-Jul-2013
    http://www.richmondandtwickenhamtimes.co.uk/news/720511.born_with_history_genes_in_me/
    Pauline...Cameron..of 1940 Heston and still there..librarian local lifetime...saw 1960 painting of church 1860 before new church built...saw missing..she saw sotherby...woman said bought 50p car boot sale.vicar send photo of it to confirm..woman never turned up again.....Cameron author..gave it back to church..... more >>

  • Re: The Great Gathering by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 1-Aug-2013
    Thanks for that Yvonne. A very interesting read.

  • Re: The Great Gathering by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Aug-2013
    yes Cameron lovely lady ..well over 60 yrs Heston areas..think may still be alive...librarian.many yrs.author several local bks....wonder where her dad worked........1866 google says Heston church rebuilt...they put request in 1863.........yr 1100s..a vicar vicarage there...priest......yr 1300s the tower still there ..yr1400 the oak lych gate..one of oldest in country..the church graveyard largest... more >>

 
Foyles War by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 18-Jul-2013
Yeterday evening I watched a repeat episode of Foyle's War, set in the spring of 1940. One scene was the people attending Sunday Service in response to King George VI call for a National day of Prayer.
At that time I used to go with my mother to Morning Service at Holy Trinity. On this Sunday the church was filled to overflowing-chairs were brought in from the Parish Hall.
The preac... more >>
  
  • Re: Foyles War by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Jul-2013
    foyles war good series.film.kings speech repeated on freeview this week..so well done........my aunt and cousins got married there after the war..and baptisms....hope kates baby today..her gran married there from bankside aug 1953...reception the pub that got burnt down.by there.

  • Re: Foyles War by Lynette Ware (Member 10283192) on 18-Jul-2013
    I got married at Holy Trinity 1970. My sister did too, though a few years earlier, 1956

  • Re: Foyles War by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Jul-2013
    1956 ..aunt 1953...kates gran aug 1953...my bapt there...went in vestry at my wedding to get my bapt cert he copied it from little book.....lovely photos gt .door stone..village trees looking church in photos white dresses bridesmaids gt setting......pk opposite

  • Re: Foyles War by Sandy (Member 10264317) on 18-Jul-2013
    Charlie & I married there 31st August 1963 50yrs next month.

  • Re: Foyles War by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Jul-2013
    happy anniversary date next month....best wishes lovely church stained glass windows 1900s built....

  • Re: Foyles War by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 19-Jul-2013
    Pauline....have read couple times now In google....painting of Heston church just before new refurbish built there 1860,,,,,,,watercolour...Hounslow librarian author..Cameron..took party round church in 1960 noticed it had gone......15 yrs later she saw it up for sale sotherby...woman said she bought it car boot 50p...vicar involved identified it...Cameron brought it home in brown paper it had bee... more >>

  • Re: Foyles War by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 21-Jul-2013
    How wonderful to have finally found it, plus Cameron paying to have it restored. I wonder if it was in Heston church in 1954 when we got married? It would be nice to see a copy of this very old watercolour.

  • Re: Foyles War by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Jul-2013
    it would be good to see the Heston watercolour..nothing more in google..presume church know more secretary there has email....glad you enjoyed York..gt event there....we loved York..my cousins lived there...just back beauty dorset wonderful....

 
Clarence St. by Dilys Boot (Member 10061138) on 17-Jul-2013
Are there any really old faces from Clarence St. on this site. I am trying to solve a mystery about a name on my uncles War grave in France. I know he married an Ivy May Bishop who lived in Clarence St.and that they lived there with her parents until he died. She continued to live there and remarried a Robert Johnson.They lived there until about 1952. Any recollections would be greatly appreciated.   
  • Re: Clarence St. by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 17-Jul-2013
    http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?gl=34&rank=1&new=1&so=3&MSAV=0&msT=1&gss=ms_f-34&gsfn=ivy+may&gsln=bishop&msgdy=1935&msgpn__ftp=Uxbridge%2C+Middlesex%2C+England&msgpn=1671369&msgpn_PInfo=8-%7C0%7C0%7C3257%7C3251%7C0%7C0%7C0%7C5275%7C1671369%7C0%7C&sbo=0&uidh=000
    free index ancestry and find past in google...Herbert .r.. taylor married her..1935 feb to june....uxb reg district..which ... more >>

  • Re: Clarence St. by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Jul-2013
    it opens on your message name place....http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead.aspx?cpage=1
    Herbert Reginald taylor born 1913 Pontypridd reg dist..age 31..9june 1944..parachute..ranville military cemetery..just off Pegasus bridge off caen....we were there 4 yrs ago went to d day beaches and all...and to caen...and to...Pegasus bridge gliders..parachutes..memorial museum..etc....was .interesting....1935... more >>

  • Re: Clarence St. by Dilys Boot (Member 10061138) on 18-Jul-2013
    Thanks Eve, I already have all the information on Herbert and just wondered if anyone remembered Ivy May from Clarence Street.l have been doing genealogy for a few years now and don't need help on that score. My brother visited the grave a few weeks ago as he has a place in France very near to the Ranville War Graves so I now have photos of that.The inscription on the grave contains a mystery whic... more >>

  • Re: Clarence St. by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Jul-2013
    ah read it that you needed info her husband...yes we went to the area interesting..good luck...pte parachute regiment 1944..9 june...age 31..

  • Re: Clarence St. by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Jul-2013
    she may probably have remarried...find my past site.free index

  • Re: Clarence St. by Dilys Boot (Member 10061138) on 18-Jul-2013
    Yes eve, she did remarry a Robert Johnson who may have been a lodger at 111 Clarence Street. Have all that info. Thanks anyway.

  • Re: Clarence St. by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Jul-2013
    commonwealth war graves take email enquiries...they carve the names on the france stone grave.............query of name...they should be able to help...maidenhead office....they use war diary soldiers.reference book...I used them a couple of times......and my one the regiment helped...death..name..records of him..details..of him..archivist of the regiment helped me.....

  • Re: Clarence St. by thompson (Member 10241148) on 29-Jul-2013
    My Grand-parents Robert and Flo Thompson lived
    42 Clarence Street. He was a Chimney sweep and drove a three wheeler Trojan van, with a JAP Engine.

    They were friendly with Carol Middleton's parents,

    There is a photo of them on one of the Flickr Photostream. Several Aunts and Uncles also lived in the street. Beryl, Albert, Reenie, Vi Thompson and also my mother's brother Les Rowbottom a plumber by trade.

  • Re: Clarence St. by thompson (Member 10241148) on 29-Jul-2013
    Just think the future King George will have his roots in this street!!!

  • Re: Clarence St. by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Jul-2013
    yes king George 7th would be.roots Clarence st .dot ron goldsmith...ron carole of Featherstone school......the middletons..and kate does a fine job..plumber ro..uncle ..house builders..lifetime..west ave etc...they knew rowbottom well.....and also used northcote pub lifetime...rowbottom..came in our house..and jack roache fellow friend..jack hills.....ackers.

  • Re: Clarence St. by thompson (Member 10241148) on 31-Jul-2013
    Correction, my grandparents lived at 49 Clarence St
    it is flat fronted property, not like the other houses, as originally it was a shop. My grandfather was a confectioner and had the place as a sweet shop; before becoming a sweep.Also lived in Dudley Rd previously before that.

  • Re: Clarence St. by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 31-Jul-2013
    lovely....have 2 photos shops ..old photos 1950 1960 shop Clarence st.....sweet shop etc...many people remember Clarence st shop.....

  • Re: Clarence St. by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 31-Jul-2013
    mr Thompson...was Woodley one of the owners of the shop...60s 50s etc....sweets..Clarence st..and also..Dudley..kates family moved to flat small....then in the end kingsfield rd norwood green for 25 yrs..died elderly berks..ron dot goldsmith..yr2000ish

 
Story by David Slater by Zeta Stanley (Member 10256988) on 7-Jul-2013
Hi Yvonne, you sent me a story written by David Slater which was very interesting I was wondering if he is the son of Slaters Furniture in Southal,as I was at school with David at Greggs College in Ealing, from 1945 to 1948.   
  • Re: Story by David Slater by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 7-Jul-2013
    My cousin went to Greggs with John and Violet Slaters'daughter Doreen Slater.Did John have a brother??

  • Re: Story by David Slater by Ronald Cox (Member 10259196) on 7-Jul-2013
    Yes Dave Slater story is very intresting,thank you Yvonne. One item I am not sure of is that Tudor Rd school was closed down for 6 months. I was there from 1940 to 1943 and never went to another school. Maybe one of our friends could name the year?

  • Re: Story by David Slater by Zeta Stanley (Member 10256988) on 8-Jul-2013
    Yes Ron I wondered about the school being closed too, I thought I must have missed something....

  • Re: Story by David Slater by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Jul-2013
    hi..you 2 lovely ones far away oz and new Zealand...gt andy murray yesterday tennis....wow...slater common name.....yes read that of tudor rd.school...read others saying was bomb near by..the road the gate..near off from there....but don't know about closed....wonder why he said that..mystery.....glad you enjoyed my dears ..lots love ..ytxx.hot weather here now..beaches...ha..tudor rd.school.kids ... more >>

  • Re: Story by David Slater by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Jul-2013
    copy what he wrote...6 wks close north rd and tudor rd...perhaps he just meant north rd
    28 sept north rd sch 1940.bomb.......15 oct tudor rd sch no casualties..bomb blast outside shelter of school.no casualties.close 6mth.....southall at war by dave slater......bbc and newspapers and british library over 10yrs now have asked for .people to send memories..they put on line....ealing local history l... more >>

  • Re: Story by David Slater by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 8-Jul-2013
    In Ealing, Acton & Southall At War by Dennis Upton, Pages 46/47 it states: On the night of 28th September 1940, the North Road school was badly damaged and was closed for six weeks. Then on the night of 15th October, came another school incident. A bomb fell on the outside shelter of Tudor Road school but there were no reported casualties. Blast damage to the school, however, closed it for six mon... more >>

  • Re: Story by David Slater by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Jul-2013
    that is...one coping...another.....upton...slater one....has copied the words of the other.......arp account to town hall..archive all papers at kew national archive......they gradually put on line......bombsight......etc info clicks there.....

  • Re: Story by David Slater by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Jul-2013
    think there is feedback on the national archive site....4 valuable war people we have here ......len.would also have been...memories your childhood war..school etc..shut or...historiams authors go to kew when writing their latest bks.for reaeach....

  • Re: Story by David Slater by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 8-Jul-2013
    Michael, while I was looking something else up on our site, I found an input by Jean Edwards where she said that her husband and his friend Derek were very friendly with one of the Slater boys - his name was Dave Slater, and he used to work in the shop and would have been born around 1930.

  • Re: Story by David Slater by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 8-Jul-2013
    At the bottom of that page, Phil Wade, one of our members, said that Dave Slater passed away in May 2010.

  • Re: Story by David Slater by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 8-Jul-2013
    Pauline: I wonder if David Slater was the son of John Slaters brother? Doreen Slater was a few years older than me. I met up again with John Slater in 1983-sadly Violet had passed awsy by then.

  • Re: Story by David Slater by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Jul-2013
    slater was 9 in 1940..david......my goodness all copy each other 1982 published mr meads got same words both school s ..6 wk close north rd 6 mth tudor rd.close.1940......arp paper to town hall is at kew national archive.......upton meads slater..using the words....

  • Re: Story by David Slater by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 8-Jul-2013
    I've been thinking about Tudor Road school being closed, and although I can't remember the year, I can remember my mother giving up our front room (the best room) for a lot of infant children to be taught by a Miss Rumming, who had taught me when I was younger at Tudor road. I wasn't at school either, as I used to put all their little shoes that they had taken off in the hall. I remember Miss Rumm... more >>

  • Re: Story by David Slater by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Jul-2013
    thatgood well remembered..think dave is of jean..memory....... 9 1940 he says in the article..about right...southall lad...a lot of people .got the meads bk..think that gets quoted..really......author upton..I think..still speaks for ealing library talks..with mr oates..my west ave cousins pam.born 1935....think heard that they did not get much school......terrible shame.....all the cousins still ... more >>

  • Re: Story by David Slater by Zeta Stanley (Member 10256988) on 8-Jul-2013
    Thanks for the info Pauline, re Dave Slater, we are pretty sure he's the same chap who was at Greggs College and who's father owned the furniture shop, I can remember him working in the shop with his father on Saturdays.

  • Re: Story by David Slater by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 10-Jul-2013
    Zeta - I think it was John Slater and his wife Violet who were the owners of the Slaters Furnishing shop, and Doreen was their daughter. Michael was asking if John Slater had a brother, as Dave could have been his son, making John his uncle.

  • Re: Story by David Slater by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Jul-2013
    http://www.iansmith.myzen.co.uk/emidec/emihme.htm

    emi in google workers chat about their yrs there...still photos in google emi.................new photos local..in board11

  • Re: Story by David Slater by Bob Burnard (Member 10252769) on 14-Jul-2013
    Would anyone know how old john slater would be.

  • Re: Story by David Slater by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 14-Jul-2013
    John Slater died some years ago.

  • Re: Story by David Slater by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Jul-2013
    have some old postcards...1939 1940s....says to .palace café...12 south rd...miss p wilhem .mrs g willan..something like that......would tht be...right side of the cinema......does anybody remember it....their name.willam.......or anything about it..please...thanks...ruth is the friend sending to south rd.

 
HELP Please by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 22-Jun-2013
We are trying to trace a firm of solicitors who were either in the Uxbridge, West Drayton or Hounslow area (ON or v near THE 222 BUS ROUTE) in the early 1950s. I know folk on this Southall board are excellent researchers with access to historical info, and the firm was either Joseph, Mills and Co., or Joseph Hills & Co, Joseph Miles & Co Joseph Hiles & Co. There may or may not have been a comm... more >>   
  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Jun-2013
    tracing..them......do they need to have contact now.with them or who took them over...or who..their business went to..................solicitors usually..register with the law society ..in google.......through all years..records kept...archive.....a will...they keep copies...solicitors.....etc....sure they can help...you.............

  • Re: HELP Please by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 22-Jun-2013
    Thanks Yvonne. We are trying to trace the location of a site in a 1950-58 photograph. A 222 bus is parked outside a solicitor's office. The Law Society will only help when we can give the name of the firm, but some of the firm's name in the photo is obscured.

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Jun-2013
    ok.....see more info..now.........the local local history.public library might help......to the bus..and the rd ..of solicitor......photo....Kelly directory.post office directory......etc..they have lots of archive........

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Jun-2013
    1950s...222..bus..whether it is bath rd...Hounslow.....don't know uxb Wembley...or..............London transport museum archivist email or letter attach .scanned photo....might help...........local hist librarian james marshall public librarian been there 30yrs....loads info..high st treaty centre....Hounslow.......might help...........

  • Re: HELP Please by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 22-Jun-2013
    The London Transport bus museum at Brooklands Surrey mite be able to help Keith.

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Jun-2013
    tried ....all...the spellings...etc...1950s.....best the ..library shelf of post office directories in alphabetical order....uxb.hounslow west drayt.............1950s..uxbridge and ealing.southall....so also...local history library mr oates ealing broadway....info.................uxbridge is closed for a year refurbish.........Hounslow..open 7 days week..............2012.sharron hiles solicitor te... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 22-Jun-2013
    Thanks

    It is by chance somebody who is involved with the bus museum at Brooklands who is trying to identify the location the photo.........Thanks again, Keith

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Jun-2013
    good.....covent garden transport museum is gt....archivists etc......been several times........acton...annual...visitors museum..transport is good there........

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Jun-2013
    denis......brian tubb 1957 yrs was in your scouts.......johnny green patrol leader....1957.....troup leader was in ambulance brigade ..lived next door to Stanley family..............

  • Re: HELP Please by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 23-Jun-2013
    I had left the scouts by then & was a member of the Air Training Corps but i dont recall the names i belive a chap called Tony Martin was the leader of the cubs & scouts.

  • Re: HELP Please by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 23-Jun-2013
    PS Yvonne where did the Stanley family live.

  • Re: HELP Please by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 23-Jun-2013
    Keith,

    Could this be it? There was a Joseph Lilly & Co solicitors at 53 Lampton Road, Hounslow in 1951, their name appears in the London Gazette dated 11 December 1951 on page 6503.

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Jun-2013
    thanks denis......sorry don't know where they lived.....................

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Jun-2013
    and in google....they are ..9 may 1958 also..and 1977..lampton rd..53 and 59.........120 bus..of the civic centre.lampton road..but.....lilly seems .so good....newspapers are marvellous colin....british library Colindale..has put them on line.....such interesting info......

  • Re: HELP Please by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 23-Jun-2013
    Denis-which ATC squadron were you in?

  • Re: HELP Please by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 23-Jun-2013
    Thanks Colin

    It IS a possible.

    Checks will be made on this possibility and I'll get back in du... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 23-Jun-2013
    SPOT ON Colin!!

    We were looking for the wrong surname due to a reflection in the glass window on the photograph, so very many thanks to you from the red RF bus group!

  • Re: HELP Please by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 23-Jun-2013
    Michael i was in Southall ATC i think it was 1835 Squ.

  • Re: HELP Please by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 23-Jun-2013
    Colin
    If you go to "Red RF Home page", Then on the left look for "Routes", then go to Route 222, you will see by the second photo down, we have been credited with solving the mystery location where the bus was standing.

  • Re: HELP Please by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 23-Jun-2013
    Denis-I was in 1846 squadron 1942-1946, based at Featherstone Road School, CO "Dicky Down",headmaster then.

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Jun-2013
    to see the photo.......helps....keith........yes window is bad...joseph..........bus going to uxbridge station..........display..is the huge lettering along........1950s.....222...........google has them at lampton..road....several yrs....

  • Re: HELP Please by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 24-Jun-2013
    Yes, The 222 ran from Uxbridge via Sipson, then at Hounslow turned north into Lampton Road to terminate, but we didn't realise that the bus stand was not in Lampton Rd, but where the bus turned round in Queens Road and that is why for 2 years, they have been trying to trace the site of the photo. The firm Colin found is on the corner and google streetview shows the building but not the firm is still there

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Jun-2013
    2YRS.....well done all of you...and .colin.....it is good to keep an eye on newspapers...around the 1950 yrs etc....fascinating....and bus stop there at the photo and yes you say just.....only just being there at lampton........my good ness....that solicitor window.....very hard.......display..large letters there.......so pleased..after2yrs so pleased............they were lampton rd solicitor..qui... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Jun-2013
    MR THOMPSON....OF YOURS WITH ROWBOTTOM family..southall..............yesterday we spent.time on ..WITH LOUISE.her..photo 1938 funeral over 5 huge cars...William beach.........think it says southall.july 1938....but cannot recognise the rd.......our.mr Thompson........of the fame ..of southall.....beach ...fairs....over winter...by regina rd white swan....pub....king st.......southall pk..etc with ... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 24-Jun-2013
    Further down the same page as the bus photo is wonderful photo of bus in 1913 outside Bulstrode Hotel. Look at old station sign up on the embankment in the distance. Station was once called Hounslow Lampton, not Hounslow Central. Those various London bus sites have many wonderful old photos. 222 ran Hounslow Sipson Yiewsley Uxbridge VERY rural then so single deck buses. Direct route wou... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 24-Jun-2013
    Also if you go to Route 211 on the same RF Homepage site, there are two fabulous photos of old 211 at Greenford - one photo is 1930s somewhere near Eastmead Ave and the other is early 1950s outside old Greenford market

  • Re: HELP Please by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 24-Jun-2013
    Sorry, Hounslow Central station was not called Hounslow Lampton but Heston-Hounslow as can just be seen in the Bulstrode Hotel photo mentioned above

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Jun-2013
    will have good see read...keith thanks....yes old photos of old stations...Hounslow...have seen read..gt interesting..........my family...links.....geneology family tree....bulstrode oh yes listed building heritage 1780.....gt family..Hounslow...land...gentry...esquire ..names on my 1780 list of local land tax..gentry...Hounslow Heston Isleworth..........well done you and your friend..buses..fasc... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 25-Jun-2013
    I was VERY interested in the photo of the Bulstrode Hotel in 1913

    What is interesting is how few people there are in the photo, so I did a bit of research. In 1913, the population of the U.K was about 43Million, so now with a population of about63 million, the UK population has risen almost 50%. As it is known that the population of Scotland has not increased much, I think it is safe to assu... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Jun-2013
    Pauline.................the long time query over photo 1950s 60s ..traffic lights..broadway....denis...........north west corner lady marg rd........we all saw dentist high above at emporium..........Pauline remembered tobacco...from..shop.there..............then curved around low glass..pretty....shop.......they say...jewellers.......they say james walker...............makes sense...little jewell... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 25-Jun-2013
    I don't remember any Jewellers, but I had left Northcote Avenue in 1952 and moved to North Hyde Lane, then to Hayes when I got married. I have answered your request for sketches of Spikes Bridge further down on the very long thread (24th May).

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Jun-2013
    yes could be memories of the 1960s people...make sense jewellers there....and that traffic light photo was 1960 ish...bus..........lovely pretty shop...curved low around emporium..corner...think...jewellers..................grateful to you Pauline...off to sketches now.....will scroll....ha...lovely.......sincerely grateful....wonderful....to...have peoples memories...............photos maps help also........

  • Re: HELP Please by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 25-Jun-2013
    James Walkers was along the Uxbridge Road on the same side & near Stones electrical shop i am certain.

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Jun-2013
    lovely thanks.........stones...etc....which was it all near...........please...thanks....

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Jun-2013
    just got email from frithphotos.......they send regular..................new book.£11.20 published by them...............childhood war memories.....................unique collection ...heart warming...evacuees....or.sweet rations....airraids,,,,pranks.....got gum yank etc.........

  • Re: HELP Please by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 25-Jun-2013
    I am certain it was across from Stakers stationers & between Burtons Tailors & Woolworths approx. in the middle of that block.

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Jun-2013
    yes I.remember jewellers along there...yes half along...to woolworths.................so 1950 60s.......top..west corner of lady marg...not a little jewellers there at all..as you cross to town hall at the traffic light......40s 50s......nice low window..window ledge...curved window........at the very edge corner of emporium...lady marg rd.........small shop..place.....dentist high above..along.......

  • Re: HELP Please by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 25-Jun-2013
    Re: Saxon Rd 1939 - 1951 by Len Goddard (Member 10234853) on 15-Apr-2009
    Hello Pauline the pole would have been outside Butlers a sign to tell you there was a Barbers they were down stairs at Butlers you had Meyers,James Walkers.Times furniture Moss the chemist Edgars the men's outfitters Charlie Chambers standing in the alley next to Woolies selling oranges 12 for a shilling Les Ives took over ... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 27-Jun-2013
    Thank goodness it's back. Nearly 2 days off!!

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Jun-2013
    back 2 days....am today sent more emails to them..........got gt sketch yesterday from...ron..truly wonderful......white bridge ..waterfall..etc etc...........see what can do...loads last 2 days...get back to you....best wishes...all

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Jun-2013
    gt from...len....need each decade sketches...plan........changing shops.......got emporium...ideal...tobacco......then lavells 1960s........photo...recent shows better the curve window...by ideal canopy.........little shop extension of brick work...len would know.....miss him......photo....but google says last yr...owner whole area there...sarees...clothes fabric..new west end look...approved...co... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Jun-2013
    he asked council..for new front......to make modern..like the west end......so .2013 must be huge change there.......ideal tobacco.......lavells

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Jun-2013
    traffic lights opposite butlers.......denis........west corner of top of .lady marg rd...denis........blowers dentist above..............

  • Re: HELP Please by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 27-Jun-2013
    Back at last, Yvonne would the dentist be in the same building as Capt. Bryant school of motoring.

  • Re: HELP Please by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 27-Jun-2013
    Pauline i know the feeling.

  • Re: HELP Please by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 27-Jun-2013
    Wonderful that Ron was able to do good sketches of the White Bridge and the Waterfall. Was he able to do sketches of Spikes Bridge as well? Talking about the three boys sitting on top of a brick built bridge on the front of Ian Niall's book "A London Boyhood", there is a picture of Ian sitting by the side of a brick built bridge with water flowing beneath in 1924.

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Jun-2013
    oh gt ...need to see that photo....ian sitting....have 3/4 of ian......when wrote his 1st book ad when older man.........plan sketch of ron.....will get .soon as can....out..........diagram...where memory all way...bridge....etc wimpey across to tow path.......over....bumpy field etc..out to ici...ammo...cows..etc...wil get out when can...flickr ..is hopeless now......changes......no...he is not a... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Jun-2013
    yes brick built spikes bridge....1924..ia 8 yrs old............nov 1916 born...he says moved London before age 12........he looks 8 on .wall bridge swimming..with 2 mates....the cover....swim..tops..to jump in........sitting by side so as tow path there by the side.......gt another photo to see......wonderful.........must have left southall....work ..London...worked for spectator......if left Lond... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Jun-2013
    landlord said...2 mths.....close .........3 horseshoes..pub..............last night said.....3 mths notice given close soon..solicitor dealing...shops flats above developer ..buying.....brewery says not viable council given permission.........1914 build so not complete till 1920 war ..problem..so heritage....not do 1920...as much as 1914...complete.....pity..1914 would have been heritage.......................

  • Re: HELP Please by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 27-Jun-2013
    If i remember there was another tobacconist on the corner of South Road & Uxbridge Road across from the Three Horse shoes nearly next door to Wood Bros. tool & hobby shop.

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Jun-2013
    yes denis.......was...old fashioned..lovely...places they were along there............close up..photos I have of top lady marg..west....side....low curve glass window......next to ideal....lavell.newsagent.....will try work out what it was........... as you cross traffic lights to town hall 1950s to 1960 ..607 trolley bus there...............

  • Re: HELP Please by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 27-Jun-2013
    Yvonne Ian was still living in Scotland at eight years old. He moved from his grandparents in Galloway back to his parents home, and when his father moved to Southall he only left Scotland then!
    If he was eight years old sitting by the bridge, and he looked that age, it would be in Scotland and couldn't be Spikes Bridge!

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Jun-2013
    yes...lots in google.....friend did biography of him...read last week...biog in google age 12 London...read 1916 nov born...yes never can tell in photo he looks more 8ish skinny...around those yrs......all bits in google....so.........whatever...says rumour was he was expelled from southall grammar suspended.......you photo sounds gt......by the side of bridge if denis could have scanned it and pu... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 27-Jun-2013
    Just read back in Ian's book, and he was actually in Southall in 1925. Without going into too much detail, and spoiling it for the reader, he mentions that in the next year it was the General Strike, and that was 1926! He was born in 1916, so he would have been nine then. I originally was under the impression that he went to Southall when he was 12, and that was wrong.

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Jun-2013
    thought I read 12...might be his biog later said 12 ..was in London.............1926 yes strike...wonder where his dad worked.......thanks 9,,,,,suppose lived near spikes....3 lads on wall..my guess..him on right skinny age 9...face...looks like photo him in his 20s........9 at tudor rd sch perhaps...then grammar......nov 16 1916 born..Glasgow yes read about his grandparents....dad etc...Galloway.... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 27-Jun-2013
    As far as hes dads job in Scotland it sounds like he worked for Beardmores a large engineers in Scotland Ian states they made aircraft guns & taxis there were a lot of Beardmore taxis running around London in the 1920/30/40, its possible that he worked at the A.E.C Cramic in Western Road or Fairys aviation in Hayes

  • Re: HELP Please by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 27-Jun-2013
    Thats Cramic Engineering Western Road.

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Jun-2013
    wonderful denis.....hope he did not get effected by general strike 1926,,,,,,and yrs....my aunt spoke of bad time s.....30s as well southall....workwise..........1935 just married....were work problems...........engineering thought so scots and clyde.....thought so..yes...southall hayes so good for that............thanks denis........the brick curve bridge on cover...wonder if the 3 kids.....jogge... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Jun-2013
    rons drawn...diagram...plan.................and hes been oz..many yrs..wow...good lad .memory.....................spikes bridge goes across.......left south...water overflowing.........the yeading brook...curving round.....as maps show.......walking over boggy.area..flooding yeading brook...today tony me walked over now large heavy flat piece wood cover over it..allotments............................ more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Jun-2013
    ron...that dear man has been in oz so many yrs..and took the trouble to send a diagram........big thankyou.......he puts the curve of yeading brook...under the rds of berwich ashford.....which they built over as ....my maps show............zeta said back garden....s......Berwick soggy..she often wondered why..............

  • Re: HELP Please by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 27-Jun-2013
    Talking of work in the 1930 dad was an engineer but could get no work so he drove a dustcart Ealing council.

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Jun-2013
    yes my uncle west ave bad getting married 30s....bad no work.....he did bit paint decorate......rheumatic fever heart diseased valve....so bad heart condition.....aunt wife worked....rented one room...food hard ..times.....south ave gardens shared with her new married brother and wife...but not food in 30s...bad times..find money....work....also.bad 50s..my cousins...went to Swindon...job and hou... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Jun-2013
    http://www.hillingdon.gov.uk/index.jsp?articleid=8717

    council canal.walk...bankside to spikes bridge...sloe gin..bushes....dog rose.......number 19 bridge spikes bridge....feeder..into canal from Ruislip lido yr 1800 filled in.....not needed.....yeading brook............over flow...

  • Re: HELP Please by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 28-Jun-2013
    I've been trying to work out Ian Neill's age when he arrived in Southall. I feel a bit like Miss Marple. It was summer when he arrived in Southall, and by what he said it was 1925. However, he would have been 9 in the November, so he was actually 8 when he arrived.I was wondering Yvonne if that photo in his book could have been taken in Scotland before he left for Southall, as it was dated 1924, a... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Jun-2013
    never swam..canal..thats interesting...photo on cover 3 lads canal swimmers......will try ...search further,,,gt marple...yes ..please

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Jun-2013
    8yrs old birthday November in Scotland..1924.....if photo there.......yes Galloway and areas...................summer 1925 London.......nov 1925 9th birthday........wonder who 3 lads are on wall..seems canal bridge.........if bulls brick bridge before painted white.....................clothes he wore....is that the photo..you say...seems by the bridge tow path...................age about 8/9......... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 28-Jun-2013
    He would have been 8 years old in the photo dated 1924, and was still 8 when he arrived in Southall in 1925. Birthday November was 9 then. Yes, he was sitting on something that was pushed up against the brick wall in the water. The brick bridge was further away from him. Denis might know what it is. In the photo he was wearing a chocolate jersey with a woollen tie coloured chocolate and yellow and... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 28-Jun-2013
    Just had a thought about the three boys on the cover of his book. He had two brothers as well!

  • Re: HELP Please by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 28-Jun-2013
    It looks like an over flow grate, i dont think its Bulls bridge the entrance behind him is to small a barge would not go through it, pic of Bulls bridge on my Flicker site d.sexton428.

  • Re: HELP Please by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 28-Jun-2013
    Thanks for the picture of Bull's Bridge Denis. I couldn't think where I'd seen it.

  • Re: HELP Please by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 28-Jun-2013
    Pauline i dont think that pic is West London the stone work looks more Northern poss. before he came to southall, he looks about 6 or 7.

  • Re: HELP Please by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 28-Jun-2013
    I think you're right Denis. It's the clothes he was wearing as well- bought in Scotland. I think he was 8 though, as the photo was dated 1924, and he mentioned when he was in Southall that it was 1925 and that was in the summer, so he must have still been 8 then until his birthday in the November, when he was 9. Thanks for the over flow grate. I didn't have a clue what it was. I reckon he was sitt... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 28-Jun-2013
    You could well be right Pauline.

  • Re: HELP Please by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 28-Jun-2013
    Thinking about what you said Denis that Ian looked 6/7 in that photo. He could have been 7, but come November 1924, he would have turned 8 - born in 1916.

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Jun-2013
    yes born nov 13ish 1916.....1925 age 9 in November.in junior school if tudor rd...who was it sat next to bidwell famous labour party council man southall..read.in google............thanks..yes 2 brothers...do they look alike..they are 3 different ages....will look again...have the over blown up large........younger brothers to him perhaps on the left of photo........have one of him standing tall i... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Jun-2013
    close up on the 3 at photo.....straight wall bit...hanging over to swim......right looks so much like skinny..he is in age 20s photo...smallslim face........middle looks younger if younger brother.......left..similar age but fuller face.......3 bros makes sense...if dad takes photo.....straight wall..brick...old wall.....top across painted white row top level..across brick..wall side........usuall... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 28-Jun-2013
    It was a bit easier having Ian's photo to look at in the book plus reading about things that were going on without divulging too much for those who hadn't read it yet.

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Jun-2013
    lovely

  • Re: HELP Please by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 28-Jun-2013
    Nothing was inside the cover of the book to give any clues where the picture of the boys was taken. They did state though, erroneously, that Ian was about 12 when he moved South.

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Jun-2013
    ah..confusing..they are......thankyou so much........lots in google he in the 1920s at his gdad farm.....to avoid meningitus .at Glasgow.......so lovely he enjoyed the countryside..over 40 bks..wrote for country life and spectator...he and wife over 40 yrs wales....then back this way...the chilterns...died age 85..................john mcneillie ...pen name ian..niall.........engineer dad would be... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Jun-2013
    could be skinny ribs showing.... ian..on right...huge joy..impish face..1924/5 London........my guess southall canal...wall effect.....dad gets camera..his new job southall...send photo 3 lads back to gdad farm....show family doing ok.down south....ha.......lovely photo have blown it full screen......so many loved swim paddle canal...jumping etc............8ish yrs old.....right hand boy could be.... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 28-Jun-2013
    Afraid I'm not convinced about swimming in the canal. Ian said "I went on over the footbridge determined that I would never become a canal swimmer, no matter how hot the summer day might be."

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Jun-2013
    oh that's good......well so bad that canal was....hot day in cover photo..might just be took shirts off........he enjoyed his ealy 1920s days on gdad farm..tonys mum escaped Glasgow..after 1920s........1939/40 she was Chiswick...then on to Feltham......with mum dad siblings......but her mum hated the bombing went back to Scotland for a while but back both buried Feltham..1950s years...elderly....w... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Jun-2013
    denis......have got the Trojans 6th group....1933 started by frank bluett........for waxlow estate boys.........at mt pleasant hall.............hq cranleigh gdns......then 1975 hq Allenby rd...............opened................

  • Re: HELP Please by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 28-Jun-2013
    Yvonne i was in the 3rd Spartans we meet at North Road School & Holy Trinity hall Lady Marg, Rd. but i am wondering if Frank Bluitt had a daughter called Denise they lived in a prefab on Hillside Road, i was at school from infants Lady Marg. to leaving Dormers

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Jun-2013
    could be frank and wife started the Trojans..........all in your area...should think they lived there 1933 onwards.....

  • Re: HELP Please by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 28-Jun-2013
    Yes Yvonne it all fits into the old Waxlow ward

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Jun-2013
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/52913905@N06/page1/

    board11.......ian...niall.......and his son .Andrew biog of his dad......picture of the 3 boys on brick......close up..there......ian sat next to sid bidwell at tudor rd..sid famous .many many yrs labour party southall........

  • Re: HELP Please by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 29-Jun-2013
    Pauline i wonder if the pic of Ian sat on the grate is the bridge over the river by the distillery he mentions on page 17.

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Jun-2013
    grate....the plot...thickens...ha...page 17...........distillery....good luck slooths...marple........Greenford carnival today....hanwell was 2 weeks ago.....hanwell started 1890ish............what yr did southall carnival end......................1965 southall lost its borough to ealing broadway town hall borough..........................len told us of tommy trinder comedian and ...beaches billy ... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 29-Jun-2013
    Thanks Yvonne.

  • Re: HELP Please by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 29-Jun-2013
    Denis - yes, I've just seen it. I was trying to think of where they would be swimming in Scotland. The Distillery by the bridge over the river. Well spotted. That was in Galloway though. I'm sure where Ian was sitting on that grate in the river was a well known place to him. In 1924, at the age of 7/8 he would have been living in his father's house near the Clyde, returning to his Grandfather's ho... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Jun-2013
    wonder if it is river...grate..distillery....near his gdad farm....2 biogs..in google.....said his love ...of being out and about was the countryside..........if the 3 brothers...they .explore...all areas around the farm.............biog..it said the name of farm place may be distillery near there...fresh water river essential...........and your page 17 photo....................lots on board11 now

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Jun-2013
    his son...several places on google..and email.......he also writer..from Exeter uni...born 12 aug 1946 n wales...over 40 yrs ian wales........biog done by his son..in google....son would know...about the 2 photos......................Andrew mcneillie.....john..was ians real name.....pen name ....niall.......................

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Jun-2013
    7 nov 1916 ian...born...son..would be so please..google often has feedback...on biog..or novels..and his countryside bks...his son..be so pleased..people...interested..2 sons one daughter ian had.........will try put more photos on board11..cant see to use that flickr..since changes...

  • Re: HELP Please by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 29-Jun-2013
    I think that photo of Ian dated 1924 in the book by the side of the river where he was sitting on the grate near the bridge, dressed in his smart clothes, was to send to his grandparents in Galloway. He had spent his formative years with them, and when he returned to his parents near the Clyde his mother began to change the way he had lived and dressed on the farm. He said he looked like "a dummy ... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Jun-2013
    sounds good thinking...Pauline......the middle boy of the 3 ..on wall......if ian...at cover...if his 2 brothers bit older...or friends....middle lad is very nicely dressed...shy of game and water.....the other 2...revel..in tops off ..look like...to play in water..........just been..gt day out.....union canal..and rivers.....wonderful heron ducks..babies etc....................6 photos.............. more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 29-Jun-2013
    Ian's two brothers were younger than him. He talks about a clean river running between Northolt and somewhere between Hayes and Heston called the Brook!
    Mentions paddling in it.

  • Re: HELP Please by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 29-Jun-2013
    Pauline would that be the brook flowed thro Yeading.

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Jun-2013
    yeading brook...goes down..southall spikes......area west bulls bridge....down south....is cranford park....hayes corner.....the brook changes its name to river crane..for cranford....all history in google says yeading brook changes its name there to..river crane..then onto the thames..........clean flow yes.........yeading brook...comes across brookside........from.yeading lane........so much th... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Jun-2013
    section of yeading brook turned into river crane.......is famous the splash..northyde hayes southall lane Heston parish boundary cranford pk..yeading brook the splash all merge there............all the kids of that area paddled the splash...decades..my aunt 1914 did...kids 1937 did....kids 1960s say they did....ford over river photos show large area of splash..gt fun..loads of kids talk of......ro... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 29-Jun-2013
    Yes Yvonne Mum used to tell me of the splash at Cranford.

  • Re: HELP Please by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 29-Jun-2013
    He also mentioned by the side of this river, not a stone's throw from the hedges boundary of the Uxbridge road was Rowse's farm.

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Jun-2013
    rowses have seen them ...in local family tree work....1911 census etc.....saw that family local..rowses farm.........uxbridge....road..........so...hayes bridge bankside.......ian .living....could be in..terraced cottage bankside southall........yeading brook river runs all down the west side of bankside ....to splash cranford hayes Heston border............

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Jun-2013
    lovely canal...wall.......etc....gt photos today..on board11..so beautiful .gt weather.......

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Jun-2013
    6 photos ..have....over the last couple of yrs of the splash..over different yrs..large area ford..of the river ..yeading brook into crane river.....spreads across..old lane there.....my aunt loved it.....all kids did .all generations..large area of splash wide ford.......

  • Re: HELP Please by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 30-Jun-2013
    One of Ian's brothers was a toddler when he was 10, so a big age difference.

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Jun-2013
    wow...that's surprise...thanks........3 on cover might be mates friends..wall......DENIS.IF OK TO SAY WHAT your mum maiden name if she splash.what yrs was she there..local.........we know locals there neighbours etc.......mine there 1914 to 1928 ..the common.......then moved to west avenue........

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Jun-2013
    http://www.streetmap.co.uk/street/WATER_SPLASH_LANE_in_HAYES_in_MIDDLESEX_in_UB3_621425_289940.htm
    lovely in google..street map..modern...faint wording thee watersplash lane with footbridge over it...the yeading brook turning into its name river crane...to go south to thames..........green wood area.field.....west side..yeading brook under bulls bridge area.....east side says bulls bridge the boa... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Jun-2013
    in google...ealing library the ernest ham paintings....postcards also....of the splash.......2010 in google..uk auctioneers sold £40..ern ham watercolour of the splash southall...from islewight owner.......could be .haugh daughter who lives isle wight...........ham 1874 died 1958 lifetime southall.oils and watercolours..donated many to library......84 when he died..walked southall often.painting.... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Jun-2013
    on tv now..with tonys grand prix..Hamilton.flew with red arrows..5g..cameras video...the best ever..wonderful..views....in google..http://www.hillingdon.gov.uk/index.jsp?articleid=8720
    gt walks cranford pk and canal.......north of bulls bridge yeading brook south called river crane..little bridge over the crane to go into mansion hse area church of cranford pk....splash lane long curved lane..nes... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 30-Jun-2013
    Yeading > > It was always known locally as "The brook". It never had any other name

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Jun-2013
    yes yeading brook all down south to bulls bridge then all the history items....have written that it becomes and known as river crane south of it .bulls bridge into cranford park ......in google speaks of it several times...history.......name becomes river crane at that point.........

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Jun-2013
    LOVELY...GREEN CHAIN BY GOVERNMENT 1924 1951...in google....thames ........joining..known as river crane..Isleworth Twickenham Hounslow.cranford to bulls bridge southall..with..THE WATERSPLASH...of fame..there..ford....southall bulls bridge .town boundary..known as yeading brook from there........yeading Ruislip.roxeth pinner..north harrow....with the river pinn that joined it............yeading b... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 30-Jun-2013
    There were several mentions of "the Brook" by Ian, and when the three brothers went out for the day with their sandwiches (the very young one wanted to come)they ended up mucking about in the brook again. A lovely tale, but I won't spoil it. At no time was there any swimming in the "cut".

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Jun-2013
    1924 1925 on yrs yeading brook....at its end..down by bulls bridge..blending into river crane..and the ford ..large across the area..early yrs then..not built up...so just to find a wall that 3 lads were on..with white .trim bricks along the top of the old bricks.....yeading brook..just near cut ..somuch of its way there..without actually being the cut for paddling...gt photos of inlet...feeder of... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 30-Jun-2013
    If you read the place where they all were in the brook, it was so secluded, and from what he said he didn't ever want to swim in the canal! It wasn't anywhere near Spikes Bridge where they were.

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Jun-2013
    that's lovely .......the brook secluded........the paintings by ham..and old pictures we have of the watersplash...at the south end of yeading brook...lots ..secluded....growth countryside...going towards..old cranford pk..countryside growth.......pity his son Andrew would know..born 1946 ..2006ish he wrote the biography of his ..dad ian.... in google........

  • Re: HELP Please by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 30-Jun-2013
    Yvonne mums maiden name was Wyatt but they did not live near the splash she saw it as they drove through it.

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Jun-2013
    lovely...wyatt.....did not see that in geneology work................paddle ...brook...splash...........but the bridge on the front ..cover..old brick and white.painted row on top....is another thing....be nice to know..that wish son Andrew was available.....3 lads seem to be having such good time.......

  • Re: HELP Please by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 30-Jun-2013
    It would be interesting to find the house that was built for them is in Southall.

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Jul-2013
    denis........the house built for your family your mum you spoke of.........or of ian..father...house for them.......it should be possible.with enough clues....20s 30s.when all the houses were going up.......let me know..might be able to....

  • Re: HELP Please by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 1-Jul-2013
    The house built for the father that they moved into in Southall, poss. Yeading area?

  • Re: HELP Please by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 1-Jul-2013
    Sorry the house Ian moved into, be good to get some pics of it.

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Jul-2013
    yes......new building..was going on yeading..1925 ish yrs...yeading brook there and tranquil...green fields shrubs...west side of yeading lane and also east side brookside to.spikes bridge...yeading brook.would be his area.................clean paddle..........famous bridge at..yeading....off yeading lane is golden bridge....across yeading brook...west side of yeading lane.....on maps..in google..... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Jul-2013
    lovely ingoogle...yeading brook.areas...west of spikes bridge west edge yeading lane....spindle wood.used for spinning bobbins......wet meadows..10 acre wood hazel.since the 1800s............wood bridge....country conservation area..cowslip.yeading wood..there.....Bernard miles actor fought with his family living there preserve golden bridge yeading brook.........of the 1500s.......1986 new bridge... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 1-Jul-2013
    By the description Ian gives when the fair comes to town, it is on the side of the road along where the Drill Hll was eventually built. Definitely not Bankside, as it was a road with two rows of old houses at either end

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Jul-2013
    yes remember len talking of the fair come to town..he spoke of up by hayes bridge by old drill hall.....north side hayes bridge 1925 before Berwick ashford built on our old 1932 maps..we have ..flickr...........yes bankside 1800s yrs..brickmakers terraced houses under grade 2 listed.heritage now...old...........so..he is over by yeading brook..going up..west side canal...from brookside fields........ more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 1-Jul-2013
    Another possible clue was that their horizon was a row of old cottages that had housed generations of canal bargees' families.

  • Re: HELP Please by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 1-Jul-2013
    I, too, remember that fair as I went there when I was five, living at Bankside then.

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Jul-2013
    canal bargee families....horizon..census..read so often..in google..several parts.free....along by waggon horses pub...etc....1891 1901 1911.....labourers cottages.....rowses saw their name......census always has boats at the end of the page and .mans name..dwellers...barges...so all in that..corner...north west..canal yeading brook...before delemere.....opposite old at..centre...before Berwick as... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 1-Jul-2013
    I'm not sure if you've got it right Yvonne. It was right by where the Drill Hall was, in a made up road. Hayes bridge (which is mentioned) was further on.

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Jul-2013
    lovely..ok....nice......board26.got golden bridge fast flow yeading brook..liable to floods charvill lane west of yeading lane....photo....lovely in google..hawthorn black thorn..butterflies dragonflies kestrel sparrowhawk..crickets grasshoppers...film.on the bridge in google....demo.there 1929 b miles actor familylived there..1986 new bridge built there.....stone..........................1996 fil... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Jul-2013
    http://www.londoncanals.co.uk/ruislip/ruislp06.html

    yeading brook...from west coming into yeading lane...nature reserve chervil areas..nice photos..here...flooding water meadows..old .feeder from Ruislip...and nice photos of yeading fast flow brook.............board11 and board26 general.....

  • Re: HELP Please by Janice Johnson (Member 10240407) on 1-Jul-2013
    Pauline - Were the cottages named Newells Cottages which, as I've been told, stood near the canal somewhere on the border of Southall and Hayes - an ancestor of mine was born at No.8. I really must buy this book!

  • Re: HELP Please by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 1-Jul-2013
    No, no names of cottages were mentioned, only that the bargees' cottages were opposite them, and there was a contractor's yard and stabling for about two dozen carthorses close by. They were the only ones in their new house, and the new development was between the older parts. Yes, you should get the book to read - it's really lovely, funny in parts and also very sad.

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Jul-2013
    on the census....would show you the image page of how the census man walked along..showing location..of where.......the cottages rented owned by different people...newells owning...some.......but..today along the canal .now ....called bankside rd...but on census.....things are called by ..the owner of the cottages rented....so newells section..of terraced cottages might have been along there...can... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Jul-2013
    hayes farm was still going 1925 to early 1930s....large areas there....hay for many yrs canal took hay to london.by canal.brought back manure.from.London horses...cart horses 2 dozen...you say...stabling...,,bargees cottages opposite......new house....in ..old dwellings area..between older parts...........new development.......deleware...was starting new development....Berwick ashford ave...slowly... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 1-Jul-2013
    Page 31 of Ians book states hes father worked at Hayes with his background at Thomas Beardmores it would be almost certain he worked at Fairy Aviation to which he cycled every day.

  • Re: HELP Please by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 1-Jul-2013
    Yvonne have these cottages now been knocked down will take a look next time i am in Southall, will try to get some pics.

  • Re: HELP Please by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 1-Jul-2013
    Yes, Zeta would remember the brook near her. She would also remember Spikes Bridge in both her and my time being a criss cross bridge.

  • Re: HELP Please by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 1-Jul-2013
    I'm so sorry Janice as I've only just realised that I didn't answer the question about Newells Cottages to you, as I thought it was from Yvonne!

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Jul-2013
    many people who lived near canal near yeading brook there.....cycled..the tow path to work..war..women.walked cycled....the tow path to hayes munitions......bulls bridge.....off fairey way...around there......thanks....could be fairey.......bankside famous terraced...row ..heritage listed 1830 brickfield labourers tow path canal..still there ...photos in google.......lovely to see ,canal nice alon... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Jul-2013
    the old maps I put on flickr a while ago 1932......just before a lot of new .houses roads being built...all up that .way......cycle hayes..like many did...if tow path..many went that way to hayes factories......engineering.etc.......well the old map shows that..around bankside and around...north side..west side delemare or east side.tudor rd.lanncaster...1925 yrs...empty areas there 1932 map shows... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Jul-2013
    yes 6 places in google.....beardmores..Thomas...Wikipedia has engineering shipbuilding clyde Glasgow.....1886 to 1935.....peak had 40000 work there...tony s mum from Glasgow.......1957 it was sold......had parkhead forge.....dad cycled daily to hayes.....was of engineering///could be fairey or another ..place in hayes..........canal and yeading brook...go all down south to hayes.....bulls bridge..... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Jul-2013
    http://www.my-ivefamily.me.uk/southall830/page45.html

    knew had seen......newells on geneology ..local history work......colin gave us mr meads book....small row of small cottages for brickfield labourers.......8.8 million bricks a year....owner master brickmaker owner called newell...southall

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Jul-2013
    saw it on census when doing mine.......yrs ago..............free in google.lots on newell southall........1891 census there in google.....newels cottages6 of them.....between north rd and beehive pub..........1891......newells cottages mount pleasant..there......

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Jul-2013
    1891..census.....brickfields owner newell...........southall...............1891 landlord hambro pub by hayes bridge by bankside canal.......frances newell.wife kids 4........often brickfield owners families had pub.s.thirst of brickies..1890 yrs 1850 yrs.....by canal transport bricks.......

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Jul-2013
    just read.......the white lion..pub....was on the canal bank...for bargees,and brickmakers.......etc
    then moved to the corner of white st...for gas wks workers.....burnt down in riots 3 july 1981....1906 to 1925 of mr meads...........pub was called Frankie newells after the landlord and brickmaster owner............at white lion...pub used in tv filming photos our boards....bbc tv etc........

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Jul-2013
    meant hambro burnt down riot....but 2 ..Frankie newell.......family...many yrs...1891 publican..was 75 yr old frances newell........later at early years of the hambro pub was Frankie newell...his son...brickfields.by canal there.............so 2 pubs of them as brickmaking owners.....one had the white lion......also.......

  • Re: HELP Please by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 2-Jul-2013
    Looking at the pictures of the two brick walls on Southallboard11 (don't know if they're yours Denis DSCN7367 & DSCN7368)I notice that the white stone at the top is ridged, whereas the one in the cover of Ian's book is flush.

  • Re: HELP Please by Bill Henley (Member 10272156) on 2-Jul-2013
    I am researching the names mentioned in my grandfather's WW1 diary. They were all in the 1 8 Middlesex Territorial Regiment. I wonder if anyone knows of the family of Bert Cusi. My grandfather may have got the name wrong or possibly I am misreading his pencilled handwriting. So far I have had no success in finding him. On 1st May 1915 he made the cross when they buried two comrades "under an apple... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 2-Jul-2013
    Bill-my late fathers younger brother Arthur Sidney Braden is also named on the Menin Gate Memorial

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Jul-2013
    yes we walked at weekend..gt weather took photos for you and for denis..........0ne wall bridge....and 2 of further along another wall bridge.........asked tonyif could stop andphoto foryou anddenis.......2 of the tow path inlet bridges..going off to streams...to a lake..........with each of the 2 bits photoed to show the white top..of brick..of old brown brick of wall side..............thanks....... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Jul-2013
    we went to men gate....5 yrs ago.......was interesting..........kew has all the archive of war.open daily visit.....and online ancestry ...and find my past.........the regiment might help....I got in touch with local royal fuselliers of mine.....head office tower London...he helped a lot.....archivist.reg..iment.......x..as sign...but the clerk..would write his name on their papers...........

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Jul-2013
    denis....have put link to board11....on your 1st photo your flickr.............your free gift bk queen coronation 1953 that nice page spikes bridge and timber wharf on it..in that booklet as well...............

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Jul-2013
    Pauline.....is not hayes or southall walls bridges.......but tony has just looked..but not time yet....to enlarge and zoom..in..........our day out...yes ridge tiles....like on roof...like on walls to keep wet out....of brick...etc......usually domed curve ridge...top..like wood fence the posts put curve bit wood on top....keep rain out of rot........tony looked at ian book cover ..a bit........bo... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 2-Jul-2013
    I don't know anything about bricks unfortunately Yvonne, but the more I looked at the brick wall the three boys were sitting on, something didn't look right. When I looked at the ones your husband had photographed they looked much more substantial. It would be good to find out where it was taken. I don't think the photo was taken to send to the grandparents, as the boys were up and down to Gallowa... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Jul-2013
    lovely ..pretty photos..reflexions in water........yes ok..........don't know when ours were built.......if more substantial.......it was the old industry as usual...inlets......canal..to off water to workings..then lake behind.....rough not posh bricks...the workings owner would have payed...for..only rough brick..............then the brick of ian cover................several seem to have the whi... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by Bill Henley (Member 10272156) on 2-Jul-2013
    Further to my enquiry about Bert Cusi, I now think that the name was probably Bert Cuss. Just in case the name rings a bell somewhere.

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Jul-2013
    many of us been to York.......record never been beaten..british engineering..75 yrs ago 30s...6steam trains York celebrate,,,mallard 126 mph.........Scotsman...gt trains...british coal...

  • Re: HELP Please by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 3-Jul-2013
    Thank for the link Yvonne, whent to Nene Vally Rly. last year saw Bittern the sister engine Mallard also saw Tornado the steam loco that was built recently.

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Jul-2013
    hope you saw the 2 lots of boards..links there 400 photos..clicks ok,,,,,,with...ian.etc and general......let me know any feedback....any photos or general...................etc..etc...gt York ..they are having 2 wks celabration..coming from all over the world

  • Re: HELP Please by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 3-Jul-2013
    Yes Yvonne thanks will let you know if anything happens.

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Jul-2013
    ok...they both click ok..and open ok..links there....

  • Re: HELP Please by Jean Kirby (Member 10268700) on 5-Jul-2013
    I was lucky enough to go to York on Wednesday with my husband, we went on a day trip aboard a train pulled by Tornado the latest steam locomotive to be built. It was a fantastic day we went into the Steam Museum and saw all the six A4 Locos. Mu husband is a great enthusiast of steam and we often do these trips. It is great to step back in time, it was the first time that either of us had been t... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 5-Jul-2013
    wonderful jean....wish nearer would be great for all of us to see,,,have been to York 4 times lovely absolutely lovely

  • Re: HELP Please by Jean Kirby (Member 10268700) on 5-Jul-2013
    As you say Yvonne it is a pity that everyone can't see this spectacle. The only trouble was that they were close together and it was difficult to take photos although there was a sort of viewing platform where you could stand and look at them, it was extremely crowded as you would expect. It was a very long day as we left home at 5am to pick up Tornado at Potters Bar at 7am. We finally got home ... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 5-Jul-2013
    I belive Tornado cost £2 million to build what a superb loco it is & good value by to days standards.

  • Re: HELP Please by Jean Kirby (Member 10268700) on 5-Jul-2013
    My husband says about 3 million in cost and took 18 years to build it. We have done several trips with her in her apple green livery also Brunswick green and now in the lovely blue. We were told that she will be going back to apple green the colour which we preferred. These trips although expensive are well worth doing, it takes you right back in time to days and times long gone. On the way to Yo... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 5-Jul-2013
    yes 75 yrs for brits and never broken record..hope murray to final...soon know..and fingers crossed final we saw berni Nolan in blood brothers London.so good dear lady..bless her,,jean collection viaduct photos all yrs iron bridge and 1932 steam train over are gt...gwr..

  • Re: HELP Please by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 6-Jul-2013
    I live very close to the place where Mallard broke the record

  • Re: HELP Please by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 6-Jul-2013
    Even at £3 million Tornado is magnificent loco, Mallard broke the record at Stoke Bank between Grantham & Peterbrouogh in the attempt Mallard damaged a main bearing & had to limp into Peterbrouogh it was changed for another loco.

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Jul-2013
    your 1st photo on your flickr denis....has a click opening link there..in comment...for our photos.etc.for you to see ...the page of queen booklet..

  • Re: HELP Please by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 6-Jul-2013
    Thanks will look.

  • Re: HELP Please by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 6-Jul-2013
    Re comments Flicker photo from new Spikes bridge it states the photo is looking north, i am certain it is looking south the white houseboat is on the Hayes bridge side & the new housing estate across is the old Lancaster rd site of Wimpeys. The White bridge it had if my memory serves me right white hand rails the rest of the bridge... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Jul-2013
    lovely denis...yes google had look north....I have changed it tow path it is look south.....bridges are funny....several with white tops like ian .photo front of book...........local different brick layers...tow path bridges..inlets not .bridges across the canal.........thanks.....anything there else etc that you like with links..there................

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Jul-2013
    denis if you scroll below photos you see descriptions comments..etc....old brick of walls or bridges....white top row..on top of it......curved to keep rain..off...porous.bricks....

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Jul-2013
    DENIS....thank yes huge change..south side rds..by spikes bridge.....new houses built 1990s yrs.....by Lancaster dane..etc...in the gap there.BACK GARDENS........close up to tow path now east side of tow path.......thanks your white bridge....you ron .remember..dump.etc...north side edge of municipal..park.spikes.at tow path....canal inlet...bridge..white rail...you ...say thanks..................... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 6-Jul-2013
    Thanks Yvonne, yes white tops to bridges suspect it could viability in the dark barge horses ect. but i could be wrong, yes i remember the dump it was the white bridge inlet being filled in at the back of Cranleigh flats that would be the 1950s it was at the side of the old P.O.W camp a bit further along towards Spikes bridge there w... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 6-Jul-2013
    Yvonne they a brill load of pics anything to with dear old Southall is good in my book, & the pics are good too.

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Jul-2013
    glad you like 3yrs ..200 on each board 54 boards.....rare gt photos...yes.....white top walls old brick..bridges...all areas..and tow path side ..inlets............glad you liked links....each photo scroll under descriptions comments etc...feel free add yours..your chat and comments there or here at knowhere...................mike braden dad...remembered prison war camp...............ian book cove... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 6-Jul-2013
    Thanks Yvonne will have ago.

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Jul-2013
    ok..denis....fascinating .photos board11 today added

  • Re: HELP Please by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 6-Jul-2013
    Just another clue to Ian Niall's wanderings. On pages 71/72, he said how his mother was only too glad to have peace, and she would make sandwiches for him and his younger brother, and sometimes both brothers, while they all spent the whole day, wandering the countryside between Southall and Northolt or Hayes. They ate their sandwiches miles away from home, and often debated whether they should sta... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Jul-2013
    oh..bet that is the famous..swampy boggy meander yeading brook....all southall .spikes areas..hayes bridge and down to bulls bridge west sides.....and off bulls bridge the splash ..ford across the water....socks wet...lovely yrs quiet...countryside west all down that side....green...long distance of green the whole west...from north to south..even at the splash..southall lane and cranford pk gdns.... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Jul-2013
    http://www.flickr.com/people/52913905@N06/contacts

    old maps splash bulls..yeading brook..meanders length going south on the west side........pity he never mentioned the rd he lived....his son Andrew born 1946 would know....and of photos..where.......lovely to see 3 boys..excited 2 with tops off....if mum or dad or..took the photo.....

  • Re: HELP Please by Bill Henley (Member 10272156) on 7-Jul-2013
    It is sad to note how Southall and the local area has changed. So many of the green spaces where I played are now buried beneath cement and tarmac and/or affected by road noise and aircraft. I understand that at the beginning of the 20C there were boat trips from Uxbridge to North Hyde along by Bulls Bridge (where there was a pub). And of course Turner the artist knew and painted the area although... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 7-Jul-2013
    Although Ian didn't mention the name of the road where they lived, he did say that the fair was in a field at the top of his road. As the fair always used to be where the Drill Hall was eventually built, I assumed that it would be there! I could be wrong though.

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Jul-2013
    sure that must be..it...yes len .spoke couple times..of fair there area of drill hall..peg leg lady...and .all things len spoke of there.....drill hall.photos on our board TA....hayes bridge south east corner.....top of ian rd..1925 built places....were bankside with lovely nature fields canal....and by drill hall the southall roads start...Lancaster tudor 1925....1925 onwards the roads..south wes... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Jul-2013
    yes email..or phone..dr oates ealing library local hist dept water colours .he has the collection by ern ham..of southall.........turner gt at London tate Britain have been several times....windmill by turner 3 bridges and lock..1810....sold by christies 2008..to private buyer...pity should be for all of us to view....in google plenty of it there..to see,,,,,turner lived Brentford by thames severa... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 7-Jul-2013
    No, I don't think it was Bankside because he said there was a row of old cottages opposite to them and he never ever saw the inhabitants although they were certainly there. Surely, he would have mentioned the canal as well!

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Jul-2013
    gt row cottages opposite......so..fair...so more likely 1925 over north side of bridge....just there around..mind you...hayes uxbridge rd on all censuses 1911 .etc..row old cottages...had been brickfields ag lan .hayes farm etc..then goes further on census to waggon horses pub.......so..just near hayes bridge were some rows old cottages.....he had new house built and old cottages opposite......so ... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Jul-2013
    they used to call it high rd on census..1911....agricultural labourers was hays..farm..hay for loads horses canal to London..south side uxb rd..west side hayes bridge...rows old cottages...then census goes along waggon horse..pub..south side uxb rd with TA centre opoosite......all this area if new house just built 1925 on street view old cottages opposite demolished..hays .farm .of hayes side gone... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Jul-2013
    bill..............turner 1807 buys plot land Twickenham.....his aunt uncle live Brentford......up the road...fields 1805.......he does windmill lane....hanwell lock oils.with bridge of 2 routes canal rd...later to become 3 bridges.......so 1805 he is there sketch in google....oils he paints it with windmill 2 grind stones...labourers....and men opening lock gate.....fields...........watercolours..... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Jul-2013
    meant my crowd geneology...gd luck murray hope win....

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Jul-2013
    royal academy..turner ...piccadily...huge massive value watercolours oils....gazette often spoke of local artist watercolour oils ern ham 1880 to 1958 southall..person..walked streets painting....scenes southall..northyde mounds canal..etc.etc............your paintings in google...they are there...73 to enlarge see,,,,lovely.....held at ealing library also...he gave them...gift......

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Jul-2013
    wow...murray won....77yrs since perry..7th of 7th today...lucky 7.....1977 jubilee queen there for wade...murray mounds...wow...

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Jul-2013
    both 26//peak....how wonderful..for uk...dumblaine boy....his teacher heard shots got her class moved way....we might have lost him...then.....murray mound...we went to museum and centre ct once was gd...

  • Re: HELP Please by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 8-Jul-2013
    I think the mystery of where Ian Naills father worked is explained on page 72 it says he worked at an aircraft factory.

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Jul-2013
    GT AIRCRAFT FACT...HAYES YES FAIREY....MANY WORKED THERE AND WELL KNOWN FAMOUS...GOOD...1925 YRS......I KNEW COUPLE THERE...MIKES DAD WAS SENIOR THERE .MANAGER ETC....KIDS WENT TO SCHOOL NEARBY..LIVED HOUSE ALONG NORTHHYDE RD..SHELTER AND ALL.AT WAR YRS..HAD THE BOMBS..HAD PHOTO TAKEN ON WRECKED HEINKEL.PAYED IT WENT TO WAR FUND WRECK FROM..DUMP..COWLEY OXON..WENT ROUND COUNTRY KIDS PHOTOS ON FOR ... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 8-Jul-2013
    Having now had time to re-read Ian Niall's description of the road where he lived, I am 99% sure that he lived in Beresford Road.

    I believe the bargees cottages he says are his horizon are the ones in Bankside, he talks about them being on the other side of an old bulging wall, which suggests to me he is talking about the view from the back of his home. He also says the back garden was about 12... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Jul-2013
    that is good of you....yes Beresford.....his new house must still be there....but 1925 they were building around...building workers terraes...his bike to fairey...probably along tow path....plenty of greenery all around.yeading brook wet socks.west side canal/....lots picnic areas 1925 yrs.....TA yes.....bankside..preserved heritage listed..old 1830 or so labourers terraced.....thanks again colin.....

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Jul-2013
    1925 and yrs..the allotments..at the south end of bankside...and Beresford rd....canal to bulls bridge...for fairey dads job..hayes northhyde rd..near the allotments used to be the water area over the canal to the west side......did they say sunken barge......inlet.......papers always say back in time they always wanted a proper crossing at new Beaconsfield rd across the canal to hayes but it was ... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Jul-2013
    noticed dilys....lived Beresford rd...age 5...but about 20 yrs after ians new house built...funny if she moved in..after they moved out.....cherry ave..at the bottom of Beresford...pooley lived when very old..he died and ashes taken to the famous massacre his mates suffered.from the ss...at.war............lens son..took offlicence drink to mr pooley...

  • Re: HELP Please by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 9-Jul-2013
    Colin - I am so pleased that you have finally nailed the road where Ian Niall and his family lived. Yes, the blue brick sagging wall makes sense that it was at the bottom of his very long garden, with the row of old cottages that had housed generations of canal bargees' families behind it. I would never have realised that in a million years. I was five years old when I lived at the bottom end of B... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 9-Jul-2013
    Denis - Good you found that Ian's dad worked in an Aircraft factory. Ian said it was about four miles, or less, away. When you think of the terrible rush he had to get home to his dinner every day, travelling by bus or tram. Ian said his father ate his dinner at top speed and hurried back to work, and that getting on and off buses took up part of his precious time to get to Hayes and back again in... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 9-Jul-2013
    Thank you Pauline, yes must have been a rush as you say, will now try to find the house & take some pics to put on board 11.

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Jul-2013
    even worse Pauline it might have been 2 buses....uxbridge rd...then different bus off south coldharbour lane..to fairey 1925yrs...was famous factory 1935 had so grown ,,,and larger place.elsewhere also became fairey ....other place .took on usa .orders...........lovely to think of Beresford.....house must still be there..and bankside is heritage listed......later dilys..was 5 yrs old there....Bere... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Jul-2013
    denis.....had Beresford...on aerial..yesterday....in google great whole area close down..in aerial.....allotments still there at south...2012...canal..goes along...the bottom south..end of bankside.....1925 .our old maps..shows spaces and of course yes building more houses...roads...cherry ave and the bottom there with Beaconsfield......old gas works...finished on 2012 aerial..views all there...TA... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 9-Jul-2013
    Thanks Yvonne will have a look next time i am in Southall see what we can find.

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Jul-2013
    southall ....Beresford rd.....the yard..57 Beresford rd...1989 bankrupt..b m autos panel beaters..the yard........1925 ian.new hse...think..middle probably..half way along...west side......1925 were old dwellings...both ends Beresford.....at the end of ian house back garden the old bulging wall blue brick sagging wall sounds fascinating..........but 1830 old bankside terraces....interesting histor... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Jul-2013
    meads book....lived Beresford villa at the end of Beresford rd..turn of the century..was George Stacey................he had yard and stables there........meads says.so much development going.on..eastate agents builders huge job work........new town..like the new towns that grew after the war......vicar for southall green 1800s wrote only 33 dwellings there small hamlet 4 farms....wow...England ch... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Jul-2013
    1931 ..fairey.hayes photo men working....his dad perhaps been there 6yrs....on board11...war ..lots work...but they seem to leave .about 10yrs...Beresford.....piecework long hrs they earnt more money.....night work....my aunt said 1st time life got decent wage pkt ..munitions....

  • Re: HELP Please by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 9-Jul-2013
    Wish I had remembered the name Stacey's, my grandfather Les Ive used to mention them from time to time as he had worked for them with the horses.

    i have tried to solve the mystery of where the picture on the front of Ian's book was taken, but with no luck so far. I think the boys are probably on the roof of a single-storey structure (there is what looks like either a door or window lintel at th... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Jul-2013
    THANKS COLIN...IF IT EVER..appears to you what the 3 lads are on front cover 2 boys with tops off excited having a good time....white top part ..brick....glad Stacey rang bell....aerial yesterday of Beresford etc was good in google...72 ..57 .Beresford etc...ian.he had the 2 younger brothers...

  • Re: HELP Please by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 9-Jul-2013
    Ian also had a younger sister, who was newly born when they travelled to Southall. His mother had her cradled in her arm.

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Jul-2013
    oh that's lovely sister very nice...she would be .now perhaps......... Andrew born 1946 ish north wales...so hers younger if she had...nice family..lovely to think of them over the back of bankside....the girl..about the same age as len..and his class mate my aunt..for tudor rd school..len born about 1925ish yrs..mcniellie family..

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Jul-2013
    nice street view...Beresford....top west..by uxbridge rd ..3 and 5...etc....look like 1925 built terraces................end of Beresford with view of gasholder in the back garden area of the bend curve rd..at the south part...one detached house villa..large .could be Stacey villa of 1910.mr meads spoke.....now ..called 54.number a childrens homes.education...........curve bend goes around to can... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 10-Jul-2013
    Yvonne will look in Bankside & Beresford.

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Jul-2013
    had look both at street view today...good interesting...and along uxbridge rd...bridge with north side of TA area....lots high trees there

  • Re: HELP Please by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 10-Jul-2013
    Since all this research on Ian Niall's book and his home in Southall I have been trying to establish exactly when the TA was first introduced at Hayes
    Bridge Southall. I'm sure it wasn't there in Ian's time. Ian said "The Fair was at the top of our road", and as I knew where the fair used to be years ago, I said it was where the drill hall was eventually built. I can only find out that the TA wa... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 11-Jul-2013
    Pauline i dont know the exact date the TA opened but i know there was a Wellington bomber on the parade ground between the center & the canal, that was about this date i have mentioned this before but nobody seems to remember it.

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Jul-2013
    562 parachute squad..ta..royal corp transport....the new building architecture there cost to build £2million.....ian 1925ish for 10yrs ish.......uxbridge rd canal bridge so..opposite the ta....on west bank north ..canal hayes bridge...james davis timber wharfs..........south side west of canal there .Victoria sawmills ,,,.......woolf rubber works the years they had.....along canal...areas..off ..... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Jul-2013
    1965 the ta ..roy corp transport ..at the ta centre southall....2013 feb.duke kent visited.ta centre.......from southall my.dad was in corp transport itlay ..war.........duke kent..also visited pitshanger mansion hse....I have been few times lovely in there......1925 10 yrs ian...len born 1925.same as my aunt in same class.len remembered her face brunette hair....he spoke of fair..hayes bridge peg... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Jul-2013
    1846 southall squad..air cadets..air training corps..ta centre....workshops drill hall.....hayes bridge north east side.canal...there.uxbridge rd.....corner........livingstone rd at east side of it.....

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Jul-2013
    says new ..ta..units not exsist before war..so 1947/9...southall ta centre...156 2nd company.hayes bridge southall..rasc..ta....airborne division composite..........ealing local history library email dr oates librarian..would know more.........1950 ish years....big fire davis timber..yard....opposite...many people remember.....canal side...

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Jul-2013
    reformed...ta.....after the war.....1947 southall....hq...drill hall ta centre....woolf rubber works.....along canal...increased in work...50s 60s..smell like gas ..of wall vent..rubber...used to run past..horrible to breathe in..as trying to get past...1979 in google workers there..

  • Re: HELP Please by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 11-Jul-2013
    Yes, I read all that all up yesterday about the transfer to Southall TA at Hayes Bridge. I just wondered when their building was first built. I think Zeta went dancing there as well.

  • Re: HELP Please by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 11-Jul-2013
    Denis - I'm sure by brothers would have been up there to see that Wellington bomber on the parade ground, but afraid they've both gone.I don't know when the fair started at Southall park either. Ian said it came to his place for many years, and mentioned all the vicious fights with the fair owners and the Hambrough cut-side boys!

  • Re: HELP Please by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 11-Jul-2013
    That would explain the Wellington on the parade ground parachute training 1949/52ish

  • Re: HELP Please by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 11-Jul-2013
    Thanks Pauline been trying to find the history of this aircraft for sometime. I see Ian states in hes book page 120 that he left St Georges scouts & joined the 3 Spartans Holy Trinity Lady Marg. Road my old scouts.

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Jul-2013
    denis Pauline mike..3 nice photos and interior ta,centre hayes bridge board11

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Jul-2013
    meads says...end 1930s...huge fire costing £10000.to southall valve factory....he is going from dane tudor to hayes bridge says..up by bridge valve factory......

  • Re: HELP Please by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 11-Jul-2013
    In his book The Maypole and Southall Green, R.J. Meads says the Drill Hall was located in Featherstone Road until 1937 when the TA transferred to the new Drill Hall in the Uxbridge Road.

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Jul-2013
    fantastic 1937 moved across to..bridge..thankyou..then of course the war...after war ..TA..with 1946/7..reintroduced......mike braden might know more....his air..cadet etc...around the years.......thanks colin......Featherstone oh yes those large buildings along there........Heston had its drill hall....TA....now new .community centre....along there west junction..new Heston rd......long yrs TA ..heston

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Jul-2013
    yes meads has it.....on the bend at Featherstone rd.built 1901..territorial drill hall.....1937 moved to uxb rd..beacause of lack of space for transport.....furniture depository.took its place......so 1937..new at hayes bridge ..ian probably did not see the change......

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Jul-2013
    good in google.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ww2peopleswar/stories/38/a1901738.shtml
    age 16 he joined TA.hayes bridge uxbridge rd.1937..lived hayes end..1938 in cinema Corinth hayes..the 2 lads names on screen...they were called had to go to TA.southall...searchlight battalion....my relative was that also age 17....these lads bbc war memory..went onto d day etc....

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Jul-2013
    got reply from...zeta.......and local friend who was there also..man called val...........they were of 1935 Berwick area....always knew drill hall at the bridge.....did not know any thing else there ...as young children............................so yes 1935..1937..as mr meads said.....drill hall moved from the bend in Featherstone rd......to hayes bridge for more space for transport..........ian ... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Jul-2013
    zeta just mentioned only the once to drill hall for a dance....lived nearby..dad had her to be home by 10pm...but she ..like so many..loved the dominion dances......so many many people...everybody loved the dominion....wonderful interiors......gt architecture exterior...all our gt photos.......of the wonderful dominion..southall green.....

  • Re: HELP Please by Bill Henley (Member 10272156) on 12-Jul-2013
    My memory of the TA drill hall in Featherstone Road is from my school days when it was used as a gym by my school. It was cold and the wooden floor was splintered and quite dangerous. I am assuming that it played a part in recruiting for WW1. A local regiment was 1st 8th Middlesex Territorials (and later the 2nd 8th and 3rd 8th) Certainly the local published roll of honour shows many from this are... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Jul-2013
    that's interesting bil.........and when the drill hall..TA moved.......furniture place took over the site there at Featherstone rd...............

  • Re: HELP Please by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 12-Jul-2013
    Yes, I only went to the Drill Hall a couple of times and also went to the Dominion. Ealing Town Hall was my favourite one with our EMI crowd, plus we all went by coach! Once I met my husband I'm afraid the dancing all finished as he hated it and never could dance either. Still managed to have a whirl though at the functions we went to.

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Jul-2013
    ealing town hall lovely building Percival hse...only mainly weddings there now about 4/5 rooms.for different weddings....most men cant dance..tony lifetime music though..enjoys....drill hall she only went once her dad.strict home by 10pm..as most did say..back in times....photos board11

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 17-Jul-2013
    2005/6 they still call the old building in Featherstone rd..the drill hall....old one...in google....so new TA drill hall hayes bridge...but...old building was left behind

  • Re: HELP Please by Bill Henley (Member 10272156) on 18-Jul-2013
    I have finally got around to reading "A London Boyhood" by Ian Niall. Like many others on this forum, I found it fascinating. Many features that he described in Southall were still around in my boyhood days in the fifties including the horse drawn trades carts. Towards the end of the book he discusses the motor bikes of the time. These included the Brough Superior. He mentions that an aircraft man... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 19-Jul-2013
    Bill i think Ian was talking of T.e. Lawrence that would be the about the time he left the Army & joined the RAF & got involved in the early days of the air sea rescue arm of the RAF.

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 19-Jul-2013
    finding Lawrence special wrist watch and on antique roadshow was amazing......doug bader was at uxbridge raf base at one time...blue plaque there........photos in google of its closing raf uxbridge houses school building onsite..raf Northolt took over....hq famous bunker museum still at uxbridge....air chief retire Northolt Halifax ans spitfire display for him...in google..nice photos all at raf N... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 28-Jul-2013
    Yvonne & everybody pics of Beresford & Bankside taken Sunday. More to follow Dormers school then & know & others.

  • Re: HELP Please by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 29-Jul-2013
    Sorry forgot pics on board 11.

  • Re: HELP Please by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 29-Jul-2013
    Sorry folks pics on d.sexton428 not board 11

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Jul-2013
    excellent photos denis.....just back from gt dorset holiday....your Beresford is so good old houses and the newer ones..etc......and street view and aerial is good.....thanks so much for dormers 2013 blue gates but old 1934 corridors building classrooms hall gone....dad and aunt went several of mine generations went...gone..solid brick but gone..new glass modern distance through old entrance...fie... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Jul-2013
    denis.................heron..several times on willowtree pond...the old brickworks..digs..couple old ponds fish..nature park...by marina..poppy seeds planted along tow path..red poppies..flutter.....butterflies in copse..near canal...solar panels new houses near...solar panels on narrowboat..and ..hols at coast solar panel on beach hut saw this yr....

  • Re: HELP Please by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 31-Jul-2013
    Hi Yvonne glad you had good holiday, yes pics downloaded to board 11 with discription but pics whent to my photostream without discription. the white gates & the pic of the yard through them i suspect is where Ians horses came out every morning. Yes Dormers was quite a shock when got to the gates. more pics to follow hope i can get t... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 31-Jul-2013
    fantastic denis..willcheck both places.pics...gt weather..dorset coast Christchurch along to poole...fantastic.holiday......dormers shock..several generations of mine walked.in those blue gates old entrance..1934 onwards..now empty space far over modern glass build.college like.....h shape corridors were so good in schools...the standard..shape was so good.for staff and kids..to go to lessons..bri... more >>

  • Re: HELP Please by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 31-Jul-2013
    denis....your photos have had about 6 viewings so that's good popular.......thanks for ta centre....high fence girls side of 1950s as you say.showing new 2013 buildings through fence......well done.....thanks........think merge 1967 dormers...several girls staff left retired they did not want merge...

  • Re: HELP Please by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 31-Jul-2013
    Thanks for that Yvonne, Dormers was still segregated when i left in 1958

 
24th May by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 24-May-2013
If I remember correctly,in my young days May 24th was Empire Day-half day off from school??   
  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-May-2013
    nice half day......then...eliz 2nd..brought about commonwealth...we went to new ..exhibition centre she opened....notting hill..west london..on main..rd..loads huge flags outside.........free..several visits...gt displays...closed now............happy coronation day...next weekend......whitsun..this.......new painting.of queen.on crowning..abbey..new restored ancient..cosmati mosaic..italian..wonderful.......

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-May-2013
    queen vic birth 24..th.....my southall canada cousin says still celeb 24th last monday before 24th ..in canada..nice brit pathe film..in google...with other items..there....sch kids..britannia dressed..shield etc...flags waving....1933........poem song there......1958 changed to commonwealth......

  • Re: 24th May by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 24-May-2013
    The last Empire half day holiday for schools was 1954 the year i left Lady Marg. Rd. for Dormers Wells.

  • Re: 24th May by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 24-May-2013
    Yes, I remember Empire Day at Tudor road school, and whenever I hear that lovely hymn "I vow to thee my country all earthly things above" I am immediately transported back to our school Hall where we were all singing our hearts out! I also remember we used to walk the short walk up Tudor road to St George's church when it was Easter time, and one of the hyms we always sang was "There is a green hi... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by Chris (Member 10220786) on 24-May-2013
    Yes, half day off school - attended during the morning. The girls wore Brownie uniforms - boys wore cubs uniforms (if they belonged of course). I did! Happy days! Chris x

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-May-2013
    dormers infants built opened sept 1954...ha....missed out on ..may 24...ha...

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-May-2013
    mike fred......all.....deb bull ballet .royal opera hse......dsertr island discs...today...marriage figaro..splendid...colin davis conductor..choice.....just minute.nic parsons..pam ayres..paul merton..graham norton......bbc radio 4....gt day..happy ban hol all.....

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-May-2013
    dennis.....................http://www.pitsfordhomeguard.org.uk/gallery/osterley10/osterley10.htm
    http://www.pitsfordhomeguard.org.uk/gallery/osterley10/osterley10.htm
    osterley home guard events.........gt weather blooms everywhere...baby ducks swans geese........
    leisure boats canal rivers canoes...bikes...horses etc....picnics

  • Re: 24th May by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 26-May-2013
    Thanks Yvonne sounds interesting will download, i have some pics of building work in Spikes Bridge will upload

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-May-2013
    there is photo of 30 men southall greenford...homeguard..unit..2nd .war..syd taylor etc....but....looked at your 428 flickr could not see anyway could put it on there for you.....4 rows in uniform..southall men.posing..in a group....think..have to put in 428 ID and password...canal river complex full of young....swan mallard grebe coot canada geese all babies.grey lag goslings..lots barges canoes..bikes..

  • Re: 24th May by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 27-May-2013
    Have uploaded pics of building work at Spikes Bridge park, date 27-5-2013 if interested (Flickr d.sexton428) will now down load Home Guard pics fingers crossed.

  • Re: 24th May by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 27-May-2013
    Ok got it downloaded thanks Yvonne.

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-May-2013
    12 good photos spikes....new pavillion..looks good..thanks..

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-May-2013
    beyond our ken round the horn...bill pertwee dads army hodges arp...passed away.......of family theatre amersham...with...john pertwee dr who

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-May-2013
    http://www.thegenealogist.co.uk/featuredarticles/may13_veitch.php

    happy 100yrs chelsea flower show....we have enjoyed...but also...tv..is ..wonderful..so very gd tv......

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-May-2013
    bbc yv one show today...the canister...show pneumatic..tubes...fly ceiling change ..stores...one left at jacksons corner///closes this yr...from brunel..rail..idea yrs ago....today used in hospitals...take blood 12 mph...etc.etc...gt springwatch 3 pm..8 pm...tv....nigelhavers..new family tree series ancester cab driver.........tv.....

  • Re: 24th May by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 27-May-2013
    I was discussing "Empire Day" only this morning.

    In the infants school aged about 5 or 6 we had to parade around the playground like an armoured column with the teacher at the head of the line holding a large Union Flag (ALWAYS called the Union Jack then) We were told that all around the world children of every colour were doing the same thing in their playgrounds at the same time because they ... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-May-2013
    may be around 1958...changes those years...schools had to get rid of imperial..empire///geography history bks.....my goodness the old atlases....red pink..areas etc....recent yrs....huge changes on the atlas globe...world maps.....large posters decorating the school walls.....after war some new primary schools opened.some new bk stock....assembly speeches..always had charity etc.missionaries etc..... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-May-2013
    mike......thanks info....bunce north rd school 30s caretaker......must have been in charge of premises.as living at the caretakers hse..seems 1914 and 1930s also..perhaps near retirement when you knew him..mike.......also.if he had assistant boy helping him........1914 post off directory james henry bunce..1 meadow rd southall...house goes with the job....arthur bunce 1914 living ealing..arthur bu... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 29-May-2013
    Yvonne-I don't remember Mr Bunce having an assistant.You are right, he lived at No.1 Meadow Road.Once I was sent by a teacher to get him, and he was at home when I called.

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-May-2013
    thanks...not afford one..modern schools have more staff...yes most schools hse by school..free hse to caretaker...if he retired 1940ish...think he went northcote ave.....150ish.number....fred bunce his son....caretaker james bunce......fred married 50s60s..bought hse windsor..had a son....related to me...inlaws.........25 mb..pdf file...you can do...if want ...pages rtimes....1953......31 may to ... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 29-May-2013
    Yvonne, I just had a quick flit on Showmystreet.com to have a last look at Northcote Avenue where your relatives, the Wellans, Mauvine Stephens,and the Bunce's lived. Yes, the Bunce's house was number 150, as it's painted on the wheely bin. The "Strange" family lived right at the end, going into Spikes Bridge road. I remember they were a very large family, lots of sons with red hair. It then occur... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-May-2013
    thakyou...so grateful to you...150 was guess........2012 feel sure st view....tony myself noticed...an item that was done 2012....but not 2011...sunny..near.july 2012 feel sure...........fred..yes dont know his siblings....he born 1920 years....feel sure caretaker james his dad..retired 1940ish and council would have rehoused him........fred bit older when got married..they were not young at weddi... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 29-May-2013
    Yvonne-Mr Bunce retiring in 1940 sounds about right. September of that year I went to Dormers Wells School

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-May-2013
    thought so...the way you spoke...mike.....1914 ...he was at number 1.......doing the job...elderly when you knew him..30s....1935 ish...onwards...northcote ave,,,end bit....been built...approx.......so he looses caretaker....in job house..to next caretaker,,,,they have to give him..council hse..3 bedroom..with brothers ..offspring......1920s..1922 or so fred born...of your james.....michael.......... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-May-2013
    bet caretaker.....lives..number 1..today...usually with couple assistants......mr meads of our bk..probably knew bunce...there 1914.....meads went to north rd sch.....1981/2 40 yrs service retired lady teacher north rd school..july retire party there..........happy weekend all......

  • Re: 24th May by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 30-May-2013
    My sister thinks one of the Bunce's boys was called Alfie. My brother evidently used to go fishing with him.

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-May-2013
    makes sense...think saw fred born about 1920 ish...his dad 1914 caretaker....think..james his dad had brothers as well...records bunce about.....thankyou....small world.......1930s...they were all marrying..local people..from around the roads.......bus to uxbridge registry office some went.......fred was into his 30s .approx.before wed...they had one child malcolm...we visited them once windsor...... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 30-May-2013
    When was Jonathan Oates actually at North Road School??

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 31-May-2013
    mr meads who wrote southall booklet..was at north rd school..his family around the high st there.....he was born 1906ish died 1982 ish..southall lifetime..colin gave us his many pages booklet...link...free to read...lovely read very interesting indeed ..each yr..so much detail...photos etc..............j..oates..lives yiewsley..born about 1960sish...1999 onwards librarian ealing local history libr... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 31-May-2013
    in google type...........radiotimes.com/1953..............takes little while..25 size.load........rare rtimes tv....of 1953 bbc.......lovely pictures all programmes...lovely read....................

  • Re: 24th May by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 31-May-2013
    Thanks Yvonne fot the info on Jnathan Oates

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Jun-2013
    today 9am..onwards 1953 ..early yrs radio.....programmes..and 7 pm tonight.....radio 4 extra ..708 channel..........bbc....hap 60 yrs..the queen

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Jun-2013
    radio 4 extra today...is 1953....animal veg mineral.....gt fun..word.play.......like clever ones on tv radio today...clever wit..gt fun.......1953 st party west ave southall........

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Jun-2013
    11th july cath jenkins..party song..on tv...buck palace......sunday tommorrow..freeview...81....digit enhance coronation...on tv...10.10 am.......mugs etc given to southall kids at school 1953........

  • Re: 24th May by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 2-Jun-2013
    Lady Marg. got a Mapping & Webbs silver spoon a tin of chocolates & a coronation book which i still have.

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Jun-2013
    it is so special...that those who still have special thing...how marvellous...take photos put on your flickr.......1953 schools got mug...etc...fantastic...81 ..channel tv....gt..new huge window parliament for queen 60yrs and her wonderful speech..this yr...and their thanks.........beaulieu war offices...lady on desert island disc today..708 radio4 extra.....now on freeview channel.81...new touche... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Jun-2013
    let me know if you get bk or cover on photo flickr...or other.....thanks....happy day...1953 on tv today..tuesday queen at abbey...etc......best wishes always

  • Re: 24th May by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 2-Jun-2013
    Pics from Coronation book on fliker d.sexton428, the green paper covering is what mum put on the book 60yrs. ago. 60 yrs ago this afternoon we had our street party in Lynwood gardens off Lady Margaret road

  • Re: 24th May by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 2-Jun-2013
    PS. Yvonne this book is another item for Ealing library to take i hope

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Jun-2013
    well done...yes ealing library...they will treasure it forever for all to see.....green cover gd idea your mum......thanks..always

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Jun-2013
    perfect ..dennis...very precious..10photos.....extremly good.......pauline....all.....d.sexton428...................flickr photostream.......can get it also from...our board put that in as ...a member....and up comes his 101...southall etc photos...so good dennis..grateful........................

  • Re: 24th May by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 2-Jun-2013
    Your all welcome.

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Jun-2013
    dear dennis..so thrilled to see your book.....10 lovely pages.........only just..to know...was that 10 pages long.......2 boys from dormers wells seniors..1953...brothers...think...got 42 page ..booklet..red cover similar but not quite same.........please how many pges yours..thanks...so perfect your mum kept...it ..gratitude to you and her...oh yes..wonderful

  • Re: 24th May by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 2-Jun-2013
    No Yvonne you are right 42 pages long.

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Jun-2013
    thanks gt thanks

  • Re: 24th May by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 2-Jun-2013
    I think it would be a standard book given to most schools in Middx.

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Jun-2013
    2 brothers lived off cornwell ave got 2 from dormers..mum kept both.....freeview tv 81...now procession 5 mls london queen 1953 by bbc tv 1953.....gt to see all today........lover your 10 pges wonderful...so grateful..to see....thanks so much..fantastic......

  • Re: 24th May by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 2-Jun-2013
    Thanks Yvonne glad you liked, i am certain i can remember a torch parade up Lady Margaret Road 60 yrs ago this evening.

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Jun-2013
    oh gt......thanks...quality of your photos book are so good....so grateful......sunny today...huge rain..1953

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Jun-2013
    other southall schools also...dennis....tin chocs...spoon...book...cup saucer.........mcc....southall borough.......then ..mike...had...early gift school.....think.....lovely..................oxford st marble arch queen 1953.huge parade..bbbc tv...gt today....close up ..those in crowd.......military....today channel 81......

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Jun-2013
    97 aircraft...now....across...the ..mall...1953 bbc tv....on channel 81 now....5.45 pm 1953.with 2 small kids balcony 1953....on now........bbc tv filmed it.in 1953

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Jun-2013
    pauline...dennis///mike....keith..lyn.....tv today...6 pm....1950s life...so true........repeats...at 33 .........itv....now...

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Jun-2013
    30 mins mary rose....cnannel 80.......gt today...now........new museum.....info....film.......portsmouth

  • Re: 24th May by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 2-Jun-2013
    denis-thanks-have just viewed your marvellous pics

  • Re: 24th May by penny (Member 10265839) on 3-Jun-2013
    Western Road primary school children received a glass beaker showing the queen, a cream coloured propelling pencil with a gold crown at the end plus a silver crown coin.

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Jun-2013
    thankyou penny rare..info......would never know..if 60 yrs later people....did not chat......mcc..and southall borough council..gave different...things at schools......most got book 42 pages red.........cup saucer north rd.1953..beaconsfield......silver spoon mappin webb............tin..chocs..........dormers wells.........................not heard what tudor rd got yet.........................sou... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 3-Jun-2013
    Glad you liked Michael.

  • Re: 24th May by Janice Johnson (Member 10240407) on 3-Jun-2013
    I was living in Faraday Road at the time of the Coronation. One of the neighbours had a TV and left her door open for all to pop in and out at random - a tiny screen in a large cabinet with a very grainy picture - showery weather and quite cool. I was a pupil at Dormers Wells School at that time and took part in a fancy dress competition. My mother made my costume out of crepe paper copied from th... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Jun-2013
    great story..janice thanks.........nell gwynn...lots at windsor....pub etc......yes..but they always speak well of her...good heart.......dormers sounds..great...the decades of changes...1934 open dad aunt went......now so huge modern build 2013.............glad you kept..queen.from.school........rain..on film...now on tv...such shame..our country do all so well..best in world ..for skill....but t... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Jun-2013
    tv tonight...bbc..one... queen..item..on........marlborough rd down by derley and scotts rd...kids there from school ....got 2..crowns in presentation box....5/- crown..................tin choc queen face on...............mug.....spoon.....but tudor rd..dont know yet........1953 june.....

  • Re: 24th May by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 3-Jun-2013
    The accounts of the Coronation in 1953 reminds me of my antiquity!
    I remember the Coronation of George VI in 1936-somehere I have a Coronation Booklet frm Middlesex CC. I also remember the Silver Jubilee of GeorgeV in 1935. I was at North Road Infants school then -in the huts-and we had a class party.

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Jun-2013
    lovely hut class party...what would schools do without huts....expand and .huts...largest longest hut north rd sch..became swimpool...what yr was that......1937..george queen eliz crowned..abbey......prince consort not...wonder if girl baby of kate..will be the same prince consort..of a future coronation..to a girl baby if born..your leige man..lord...bbc 1 tonight good tv...queen etc 1953........... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 3-Jun-2013
    Michael that brings back memories my classroom was in the huts at North Road, i can still smell wet coke burning on the stoves, the huts have now long gone.

  • Re: 24th May by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 3-Jun-2013
    I can remember being given A Mug at Tudor Road School after George VI's Coronation in 1937, with George VI & Queen Elizabeth's picture on it. Also a silver plated spoon with a little crown and George VI & Queen Elizabeth's heads on the end of it. I'm sure the crown was coloured. That spoon knocked about in the cutlery drawer for years, and I don't know what became of it. Our Queen Elizabeth's Coro... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by Jean Kirby (Member 10268700) on 3-Jun-2013
    Coronation Day watched service on Aunt's tv she lived in Scotts Road, all family watched there the only one in family who owned tv at that time. Afternoon bought street party for Wentworth Road kids unfortunately because of rain it was held in the Internation Aeradio canteen does anyone remember this? Also fancy dress parade I was rose of England, outfit made by my older sister. My friend Linda Ha... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Jun-2013
    lovely jean....there are 6 photos of the different spoons ingoogle..........1953 queen silver spoons..commem..........gt ..nell gwyn.......areadio.....built offices..on old barracks.demolished by..ba 1952........hill...man worked there.....he lived northcote ave......use index at top here search...and old.....memories there...aeradio...by..mr hill......he said staff worked in old chapel of orphana... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by Jean Kirby (Member 10268700) on 3-Jun-2013
    Yvonne: I don't really remember North Star cottages although I do recall a North Star Pub just past Norwood Green School. However, I remember well the old house at the bottom end of Wentworth Road it always seemed to be quite scary to us as children, as we always thought it was haunted. My sister worked at Glynn Mills Bank at the time of the Coronation and managed to get both my brother and I Cor... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Jun-2013
    lovely jean...my hubby worked midland hsbc 25yrs...but when..new tower canary whar...he changed to lovely....career change...yes old hse have photos boarded.....demolished dec 2012...new flats....new north star built 1939..along towrds heston..closed 2012 ..now tesco....are you far away...some are australia.etc...best wishes...wentworth has ealing speadramps many yrs.....but my husband I..were dri... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by Jean Kirby (Member 10268700) on 3-Jun-2013
    I am in Northamptonshire moved here 1967 when I married. Mum and Dad bought Wentworth Road house,from new moved in with my sister, my brother and I both born there. Have been back to Southall a couple of times in last few years husband interested in steam railways so visited the engine sheds in Windmill Lane, also looked at some of the old haunts so much changed hardly recognisable.

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Jun-2013
    yes it is one of the most changed areas...but so,,many have caught up with it now...so there are many local...changed and many parts of the country...likewise.....lots..not so....they are lovely...still lots..ok...much the same....1967 most went those yrs.........wentworth john wooton..family moved in new,,,,,,,now san francisco.......do you remember old barracks parade ground demolished 1952...ol... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Jun-2013
    gt for golfers wentworth......heston airport now golf...and lloyd sports centre.......west midx golf still lovely bunny pk..brent lodge...hills...river brent..tall spire.......harry secombe brother was vicar

  • Re: 24th May by Jean Kirby (Member 10268700) on 3-Jun-2013
    Yvonne: I remember the name Wootton they lived nearer to the top end of Wentworth I think they had a daughter Pat I'm not so sure about a John I think that Pat would have been more my sister's age. I also remember a school like buiulding where International Aeradio was that burnt down when I was small would that have been the orphanage that you spoke of?

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Jun-2013
    jean...kind of you....yes was orphans school catholic..they lived in 1857 to 1952 yrs....1936 the nuns moved out..lots 12 yr old boys sent to canada slave labour.......north side....of buildings facing canal...big trees facing...western rd bridge....entrance parade ground was southall lane....huge14 ft cenotaph to 1952..wrongly demolished by labourers 80 names on 3 with special bravery awards........ more >>

  • Re: 24th May by Jean Kirby (Member 10268700) on 3-Jun-2013
    The big trees were the beautiful ornamental cherries with the pink blooms always loved to see them. Dad's family were all from Southall Grandad worked at Gas Works as did Dad and my brother, both made redundant when Gas Works closed. Mum and Dad left Southall for Buckinghamshire 1973. I don't think any family left in Southall now.

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Jun-2013
    some of mine at gasworks...2 got redundancies 1970s yr......but family tree..couple lived waltham by gas 1890 1900 stokers.....at gas....couplewar bombs around gas ..during war.........lovely blossom this yr...gt big blousy reddy pink...delicate pinks....several roads..thanks..to know...those trees also..pleased to know..was dense growth there north side..suppose you could not see the 14 ft cenota... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by Jean Kirby (Member 10268700) on 3-Jun-2013
    Yvonne:I wished that I had seen the cenotaphe with the boys names. I didn't know that such a thing existed. Dad worked Gas Works over 40 years was a crane driver there, my brother a mechanical engineer. It's amazing how the gas holder still looms over the area such a long time after the closure of the works. we are just watching BBC1 programme The Peoples Coronation absolutely beautiful pictures o... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Jun-2013
    yes bbc tonight was gd...day of rain..etc...gd bbc......I worked bbc tv.6yrs.....was gd.......in google..site....day of the week.......what day was it...2 june 1953...tuesday...so...exact 10 am tues tomorrow queen philip family at abbey.........nice white cleaned now.....cosmati mosaic italian..of .1000yrsago....restored in place all monarchs crowned....new huge painting of queen there............... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Jun-2013
    http://www.warmemorials.org/uploads/publications/172.pdf

    page 10.......huge article...photo memorial cenotaph....80 names...cross 14 ft high stone..soldier sailor stoops in stone....huge thick hedges north side.....over look western rd bridge canal....huge tall trees...in photo here.........or type in google........2 special medals .brave..and one...legion...honour....boys names ...demolished 1... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Jun-2013
    in google type.......on page 10..photo of your schol you saw....high hedges..dense,,walls..huge tall thick trees.....................type...friends of war memorials bulletin autumn 2004..number 22..issn 14732335.............scroll to page 10...huge page article......nov 11 every yr they had mass service at memorial 14 ft high....dads came..nov 11 1952 it had gone,,,,demolished......all know...noth... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by penny (Member 10265839) on 4-Jun-2013
    Jean,
    re coronation: Yes, I came equal first in a Nell Gwynne costume which my aunt had made. The other winner was a boy whose costume was entirely made out of newspapers - trousers, jacket and hat - but I never knew his name - not from Western Road school.
    I went back to Wentworth Road about 3 years ago and what struck me the most was that the neat rows of green and yellow privet hedging have... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by penny (Member 10265839) on 4-Jun-2013
    Jean,
    re coronation: Yes, I came equal first in a Nell Gwynne costume which my aunt had made. The other winner was a boy whose costume was entirely made out of newspapers - trousers, jacket and hat - but I never knew his name - not from Western Road school.
    I went back to Wentworth Road about 3 years ago and what struck me the most was that the neat rows of green and yellow privet hedging have... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Jun-2013
    so many towns now front paved for cars..if 2 in family...or such.....parking can be the near impossible many places now..yellow lines...parking meters...p..for resients permit holders only....small island england...population..traffic cars...dodgem cars to get downnarrow roads..where parked..on road... as well as 2 rows traffic backwards forwards....if cars up on front way of house.....helps..let ... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by Jean Kirby (Member 10268700) on 4-Jun-2013
    Penny: It's strange how certain things stay in your memory I was sure that you won the competition, and can still see you in your pretty dress with a basket of oranges. I don't however, remember the boy in the newspaper outfit. I totally agree with you about Wentworth Road I was shocked when I first saw it, not the same place now as when we grew up. When did you and your parents leave? It's good ... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 4-Jun-2013
    When I lived at North Hyde Lane for a brief eighteen months, I used to get off the bus from Hayes after work and walk the entire length of Wentworth road, and that was a very long road to walk. Coming up to the 1953 Coronation I looked forward to that walk every night as every single garden was decorated in some way or other. There were flowers, pictures of the Queen, lots of Union Jacks, and some... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Jun-2013
    thats nice..wentworth rd..........the oil..the crown ..alter..at abbey today...service..today tuesday as it was...kate baby due july..there ..the future monarch ..2013..birth...marvellous...music..event today tv..sunny.....

  • Re: 24th May by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 4-Jun-2013
    It was lovely to finally see the War Memorial at the Orphanage in North Hyde in the Link you provided
    Yvonne. I hadn't realised it was so beautiful. It is inconceivable that anyone would have demolished it, but having said that, if the land was sold to other Businesses, I can hardly see it being removed for safe keeping. What a terrible shame that those young men's names will be forgotten. That B... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Jun-2013
    janice.....out your way...won best dressed st coronation....1953...bristol mansfield st..film of it on bbc news..£75..won..all st went to weymouth day out....gt abbey today 400 choir music......sunny...silver outfit 87 yrs..along side 27 yr old film.gown.queen..philip 92 monday........charle 4...65 th yr now..ann 2..........crown..oil...lolipop lady 2 little 6yr olds....lovely service..new archbi... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Jun-2013
    have written to all......yrs now...so has barry raymond local historian......councils know...all local history libraries...know...ealing had huge display library 8 yrs ago.....london depts all know...nothing ...done...80 names should carve immediately heston..memorial....plenty room......2 specialbrave awards..one.....honour france award...fathers used to go 11 nov every yr..huge service...they tu... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by Jean Kirby (Member 10268700) on 4-Jun-2013
    Yvonne: Thank you for the link to the War Memorial it is such a shame that it disappeared. I don't remember ever seeing it. It really is a beautiful monument. Let's hope that they will find it one day, and put it back where it belongs.

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Jun-2013
    must have been smashed with rubble of school barracks....gravel went to heathrow runway....by 1952....hard core ..very valuable......1952....60 yrs people have tried....I wrote letters..waste of my precious time......nobody..says their job..money to..carve names...plenty room on heston memorial.......catholic church southall green...and catholic..cathedral london...no reply at all from...etc.....a... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by penny (Member 10265839) on 4-Jun-2013
    Jean-left Wentworth Road in 1969 - shared a flat in Ealing - got married 1971. My Dad died 1976 and my Mum moved to be near us (we were in Hampshire by then).
    Glad you're in contact with Linda Harvey. Has she changed much? Where is she living now? Send her my best wishes when your're next in contact.

  • Re: 24th May by Jean Kirby (Member 10268700) on 4-Jun-2013
    Hi Penny Linda hasn't changed at all really at least I don't think so, we still get on really well and often talk about the old days of school and you and Hilary. She isn't a fan of technology hence why she's not on this site. I do know that she is a friend of Alan Woodley's wife and sees them occasionally. I lost both my Mum and Dad they left Southall 1973 asnd moved to Buckinghamshire not too fa... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by Sandy (Member 10264317) on 4-Jun-2013
    We shared our coronation party with Portland Rd lived in osterley Park Rd. Had races up & down Rd to Cemetary wall. all cramed into one ladys house whohad a T.V. had a oarty in the evening at British Legion behind Dominion Cinema. My Mum iced 3 tier cake with chalk bust of the Queen on the top.

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Jun-2013
    sandy ...lady lived hortus....she sister brother age 3 to 7.......fancy dress...puff....guardsman..and other...mum made fancy dress there 1953 day,,,,,,hortus.....

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Jun-2013
    the nuns.....of the orphans school...barracks....moved out 1937 to chigwell...they took their statue christ with them.........it was next to...cenotaph...but 11 nov every yr the old boys came back...for ceremony........1952 it had gone...smashed away..........................when parade ground out front west side....old bits...finally demolished..1 chapel left aeradio used as old office..said it w... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 5-Jun-2013
    cant ..put photos on here...for nostagia...memories...jog...chat..etc..but links...can...nuns 1937 took...statue jesus to chigwell.nuns place there....statue there today.....when they moved out ...of sch orphans .end of wentworth rd......scroll down....we have known long time...but 1952 war memorial sailor soldier at carving..80 names...wrongly smashed rubble......map we have of inmate boy he drew... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 5-Jun-2013
    we had member......whose family ..were bulls bridge..yrs ago.........famous white old cottage.......todays gazette.........the bulls bridge..demolition..of 2 cottages..together there..white in photo..at canal edge.....toll house...........................refurbish....and erect one concrete mixing unit....and staff facilities.....with car parking...for boaters.....conservation consent....demolition... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Jun-2013
    pauline...if you saw the ian naill bk ..london childhood......photo rusty old bridge spikes....bumpy field over....very old...bridge...bit of shock..memory....1913/4 born 12 yrs old southall 1925ish...from scotland....spikes bridge...wharfs...old ..west side..loads high wood for barges,,,,going up to hayes bridge........photos......but if you have seen the book..cover .they said had 2 boys leaning... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 7-Jun-2013
    Spikes bridge was originally a farm for growing hay & straw for horse feed up in London, pic of new new bridge on my photo site.

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Jun-2013
    thanks dennis........yes yr 1800 with new canal...hayes farm......uxbridge rd..down to....spikes bridge.....swing bridge for farmer..hay.....to london horses..barge come back with manure..........................and across swing..municipal pk..area was his..farmer part of land..hay....so ccross the swing bridge....barges..hay to paddington..horses..london...............................hayes farm u... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Jun-2013
    they have fought BUT CANT SAVE 3 HORSE SHOES..http://www.londonpubsgroup.org.uk/viewnode.php?id=878
    meeting next thurs ealing council developers demolish......not viable....shops asked for......not pub goes..been monitored several yrs..fight but....no choice..like redlion greenford large .site..not the pub drinkers...........camra in google....2 long articles history....fight..but council....thur... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Jun-2013
    http://www.londonpubsgroup.org.uk/viewnode.php?id=878

    camra in google..assoc pubs....met there....most months for yrs..they know it well...meetings in there..assoc ..for pubs..camra

  • Re: 24th May by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 7-Jun-2013
    Thats going to alter the Southall we know.

  • Re: 24th May by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 7-Jun-2013
    I think I've seen the book cover but not the book. Although the new bridge my brother David and I saw in 2000 looked safer, it still didn't have the character or the memories of the old iron Spikes Bridge. The old bridge had an iron ledge on the outside, which Ron and Zeta will remember, and it was a dare to climb all along it. The thick wooden planks we walked on were very squeaky and loose, and ... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Jun-2013
    famous architect..unique...got...rare high status...1914 ..rebuilding there...but war .shortages not complete to 1922...so english heritage 1922...not able to give it....more staus.....that if it had been nearer 1900s yrs..of rebuild.........fight long time....but council..now meet demolish........little old pub...rural..village high st....like greenford red lion..was site of..beginning of a ..fam... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Jun-2013
    oh yes the old iron ledge....1950s.....yes...now you say...yes....old iron..square...pinned together..this old photo in his book..1930s 1950s yrs nail was there ian.......bleak old photo.......wish had photo of front cover to boys on bridge....this one is in book...looking...north...up the canal...bumpy field to left...old ..rail.....down into berwick.........bleak..empty canal...quiet day photo..... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Jun-2013
    libaries have copies book..ian..naill.born scotland came southall age12 1925 ish ..yrs.....spikes area...half dozen .photos in book...old timber ..spikes...to...hayes bridge.......inside..ironn pinned square section...iron pieces bridge across......wide span..lot in photo......but front cover..of his original..print of book..that fron cover would be gt...2 little lads on bridge etc................... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Jun-2013
    photo inside book is 1935 1940 ish ..not 1950.....no spikes on it...council added those keep kids off....read..........long narrow across...bolted pieces iron squares..oh yes ...now you say....yes remember the iron..ledge.....
    left .bumpy feld path up..rail......but..not so much over to right......tow path there...under 2 sides bridge old and clear.....old supports.iron..rusting.......where kids... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Jun-2013
    think...has gone on board11......half way through....seems to show....spikes 1925 to 1940 yrs...bridge .....naill born 1913 ish..age 12...southall spikes area from scotland lived............near impossible that flickr now...they have changed it so badly...to upload..description...etc....yes I got all sizes....but.....loads cant ..do ......as 3yrs did there.......wish they had not changed it........

  • Re: 24th May by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 7-Jun-2013
    That photo of Spikes Bridge on our Southallboard11 had all the bridge in one whole section, closed in. In 1940 it was a cris-cross iron bridge, as I was 9 years old then.

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Jun-2013
    wonderful thanks...gt.......close ...1940...my one 50s....had spikes keep kids of..so rare get you know 1940....so grateful......yes so old there 1940..close gt to know.....big thankyou......

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Jun-2013
    freeview 80 now..queen bbc radio...1939 1953 she was there....today new glass...myself worked there 1966....old still there left west...new east right //glass....8th floor radio.one...3 rd floor radio 4.....she just spoke on........gt on tv.....was there 1966..tweedy.auntie bbc..still in 1966.....gt place......oxford st regent st....gt day today...............1932 build 1922 new bbc radio....gt wa... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 9-Jun-2013
    Yvonne - there is a book called "A London Boyhood" by Ian Naill. I typed in google "London Boyhood by Ian Naill" and there are several headings, especially by Amazon where they show a picture of three boys all sitting on a brick wall. Don't know if this is an entirely different book!

  • Re: 24th May by Colin Harris (Member 10240389) on 9-Jun-2013
    Pauline - that is the same book.

  • Re: 24th May by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 9-Jun-2013
    Thanks Colin. I might treat myself to this.

  • Re: 24th May by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 10-Jun-2013
    Pauline do treat your self to London boyhood by Ian Nail i have read it twice & recommend it, must reading for a old Southallian.

  • Re: 24th May by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 10-Jun-2013
    Thank you Dennis for the recommendation. I will get it.

  • Re: 24th May by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 10-Jun-2013
    Have just placed an order myself!

  • Re: 24th May by penny (Member 10265839) on 11-Jun-2013
    Another excellent read is the newly published "This Boy" by Alan Johnson. This autobiography takes us through the 1950s into the 1960s in West London.
    Good descriptions of housing, food, sweets, popular culture, schooling, etc. etc. Do try to read it if you can.

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Jun-2013
    think I am back....4 days internet explorer...lost log in..knowhere site...sent Pauline 2 replies..off site..hope she received....ian niall...yes got close up of the top of the bridge..looks like ian age 12..on right..with 2 other scamps..brick..canal bridge...born nov 1916 ...1928..he was southall...hardback book...he wrote over 40 books...died age 85 ish...end of 1990s approx....wife daughter 2 ... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Jun-2013
    thanks penny.......yes 2013 memoir of politician....born may 1950.extreme poverty.slums nottinghill gate..condemned 2 rooms...dad gambler.mum difficulties..older sister helped bring kids up...no elect no toilet..gusunder.hide from.tallyman..£13 ish hdb..ebook at Sainsbury......ian niall used pen name..real name from Galloway..Scotland..mcnielly.......over 40 bks..mainly countryside..fishing...etc... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Jun-2013
    keith............in google....several pages of collection at ealing library....of martin brothers...letters...items...etc..1900s to 1938.......2006 ceremony..4 gravestones erected by southall local history society..............today bbc tv news...£20 million..lay new runway .south heathrow..7 hrs daily at nights.for 6mths.work....ashfelt tough...europes busiest airport...from Heston airport truck... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 12-Jun-2013
    The new runway at Heathrow south does that mean that Sipson is left alone.

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Jun-2013
    the south runway......being re tar.....resurface.........6mths work....to...gradually...retar it......showed men working there today........new terminal 2 ..redone building...now..........old runway getting older so retar...strong..type of tar surfacing using....huge use..busiest airport Europe..............not building...extended new runway...plans been put on hold so far......nov 2013...hear mor... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-Jun-2013
    cats........tonight bbc 2 9pm.....horizon......cameras on necks......see where they go...................

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-Jun-2013
    denis...............don't know which yr but just incase......did you know..worked at dilloways......paul santa maria..........kate about 11..am....tv...news..80/81......launch royal princess today cruiser ..Southampton...princess Diana did the previous one 1984...this one built by venice......

  • Re: 24th May by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 13-Jun-2013
    Yvonne i worked for Dilloways from Aug. 1958 until Oct. 1959.

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-Jun-2013
    long shot if you knew him....but probably not........gt to see kate at Southampton....tv 82...launched new cruiser...huge high.......50 cats gt tonight..hoizon..9pm..tv...science....camera necks...track them....gt fun.....night....gardens...car flaps....

  • Re: 24th May by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 13-Jun-2013
    Thank s Yvonne could i ask how you found out about him it mite shed some light.

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-Jun-2013
    no date at all given..so if gilloways open 20 yrs could be anytime......his daughter asking if anybody knew him......he went to the gym also..by it .by st anselm church..so my guess is he worked there 1970ish yrs.............facebook...

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-Jun-2013
    crown cork are having their 1st reunion...july 2013....friends reunited....have workplaces.......members put themselves on southall jobs.......if there are others there working yrs they did..........memories.....nostalgia.......

  • Re: 24th May by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 13-Jun-2013
    Thanks Yvonne after my time.

  • Re: 24th May by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 14-Jun-2013
    I think it closed early to mid 70s.

  • Re: 24th May by Bill Henley (Member 10272156) on 14-Jun-2013
    The back of my house in Brent Road looked over to Crown Cork in Scotts Road. In the summer when they had their windows open we could hear the loud machinery. As a boy I collected many exotic bottle tops with fascinating pictures and names. Sadly my mother binned them when I left home. My Aunt (89yrs) worked there for many years. She now lives in Pagham.

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-Jun-2013
    best wishes to you 89 yr old..very good wishes to her...my southall cousin..married st john..is 100 next yr..lives Canada.........lots people have gt memories cork..offices as well.................lots on google...photos of items etc..................denis 1975 ish..dilloway....that could be why he left.....gym..nearby....so sounds like...60s 70s..worked there.............Scotsman pub..suppose has... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 14-Jun-2013
    Mention of Crown Cork arouses some very old memories. In the 1940's I was in the 1846 ATC Squadron. We used to go to Crown Cork some evenings to use their Rifle Range-0.22 rifles.

  • Re: 24th May by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 14-Jun-2013
    Michael i remember going to some .22 rifle ranges all big firms seem to have one in thoes days but not anymore.

  • Re: 24th May by Jean Kirby (Member 10268700) on 14-Jun-2013
    I worked at Crown Cork from 1963 - 1967 left when I married I worked in the accounts department part of the new office block. I was there when an extra floor was built on top of the existing building which held the drawing office. Drove down Scotts Road a couple of years ago looked like Crown Cork had long gone. Scotsman building was still there although I think that it was some sort of Asian Rest... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-Jun-2013
    think crown cork having 1st reunion july 2013.......

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Jun-2013
    tribute to Northolt ...raf 95 yrs.....red arrows put colour stream ..back on...over.............from...palace balcony...formation groups.....over Northolt airport......Chinook..trio.........gt day 60 yrs..birthday parade...music..grand.......sunny........

  • Re: 24th May by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 15-Jun-2013
    Ah Lancaster just gone over i bet thats where its been.

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Jun-2013
    yes queen just had the Lancaster no spit no hurricane,,,,over Northolt awacs..tornadoes typhoons...red arrows..with...stream,,,,tip...in salute......and shinooks........

  • Re: 24th May by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 15-Jun-2013
    Thanks.

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Jun-2013
    todays.....gazette.................new ealing broadway cinema..to open 2017......change of developer..was row....large photo looks nice......huge...150 flats above......multiscreen cinema...bars..café..restaurant...keeping..same façade..heritage......opposite old town hall registry office steps.....filmworks.complex....called......exhibition plan in ealing shop mall centre

  • Re: 24th May by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 15-Jun-2013
    I have now got Ian Niall's book-terrific reading.

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Jun-2013
    good let us know..............photo of him..older .grey and .beard...................photo.of him..young ..slim..at 1st bk written.....over 40 bks..often countryside.....worked for spectator..and country life....died 2002 born nov 1916....................went live wales wife..daughter 2 sons....then lived chilterns.....son Exeter uni......a writer................3 boys on bridge...got close up..lo... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Jun-2013
    3 horseshoes....developers....ealing council thurs met...not viable..plans shops..residential above...plan..old shops by it was singer..........landlord..today said..thinks 2 yrs...to get survey money sorted out....if he stays open till then.........landmark..1900s yrs...traffic lights crossroads heart..of southall...camra pub society meet there...but .not viable..beer selling..............

  • Re: 24th May by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 15-Jun-2013
    Michael enjoy i have just bought it to even though i have already read it twice.

  • Re: 24th May by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 15-Jun-2013
    Yvonne & all Southall not the same after 3 horse shoes gone.

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Jun-2013
    some sort of modern corner...shops..flats above...............100yrs and more....pub....landmark like redlion..crossrds Greenford...............

  • Re: 24th May by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 16-Jun-2013
    Although I have been looking out for my book "A London Boyhood" by Ian Niall, I have only just this minute found it. Our lovely postman had put it through my letter box, and it had secreted itself down the side of my recycling box in the porch! Haven't read any of it yet, but am so delighted with the excellent condition it is in. This has been very well looked after.

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Jun-2013
    wonderful...have good read..let us know.....2002 he died....lived chilterns......wales before.....wife daughter 2 sons.........

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Jun-2013
    Heston war memorial....and in google...their other site there..typed list names....palmtrees plants there...by Hounslow council...trough....http://www.windowonwoking.org.uk/sites/goldsworthparkcommunityassociation/history/memorials/heston

  • Re: 24th May by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 17-Jun-2013
    Is "A London Boyhood" by Ian Niall easy to get? I must get one for myself now. As some of you know, I grew up in north Hanwell, Greenford & Ealing 1947-67 and it was a wonderful place at a wonderful time. But my friends now tell me that Ealing is UNSAFE to walk around in now after 7 p.m. Is that really so? 2 weeks ago I paid my annual visit to Hanworth. It is now truly a place to avoid an... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 17-Jun-2013
    book in google............and list of places there to get..............amazon.....or 2nd hand places.........ebay....library .will order you one.of a library..and get posted to you..your library

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 17-Jun-2013
    photos 2 wks ago of 4....headstones..martin bros..Havelock....2006 ealing cemetery dept Percival hse and st john church....had ceremony..there...1995...southall local history dept..got money for...g twyman.over30 yrs chairman..lives dormers wells lane.......ancestry they left..probate to their wives...............on deaths................but poor...not getting..money from their..pottery really....... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 17-Jun-2013
    denis....north rdschool......swim pool in largest hut.........between infants juniors......1961 ish opened ......kids took 2/6 week for 8 weeks to pay for it...................closed pool hen dormers senior..pool built...they walked there.....................

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 17-Jun-2013
    bbc2 tv.tonight.....4 episodes......heathrow...........live......start 1946 1955.........tents.....70 million passengers yr now......................behind scenes

  • Re: 24th May by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 17-Jun-2013
    Thanks Yvonne did not know that.

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 17-Jun-2013
    spoke of tents etc...concrete pour....runways built.................airtraffic control.....good programme..............1944 ,military....then civil................wh smith bookshop..early on..mud..duck boards..services tents..north runway...........tarmac..started with 46 planes............lancasters...............13 seats Buenos ares.went

  • Re: 24th May by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 18-Jun-2013
    One of the Lacasters crashed in the Andes the crash site was only found a few years ago.

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Jun-2013
    oh thats interesting...............very gd programme 4 parts ...again 8pm..tonight..........hope to hear of niall..book..from you all....reading.......thanks...best wishes

  • Re: 24th May by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 18-Jun-2013
    Have just finished Ian Niall's book "A London Boyhood", and what a wonderful account of his childhood in Scotland and London (especially Southall)it is. His knowledge of wildlife, both North and South, is truly remarkable, but it is his absolute honesty that impressed me, even when it was not to his advantage. Some very sad scenes and some lovely ones to compensate. It wouldn't be fair to tell too... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 18-Jun-2013
    Snap! I also have just read Ian's book and agree with Pauline.Some nostalgic photographs as well.

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Jun-2013
    lovely....and items...on southall..rare read...........photo cover of bridge 3 kids..hang over to swim canal........

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Jun-2013
    few mths ago gazette.......local history librarian ealing..dr oates.written many bks yrs...........just given talk.ealing through ages..of his new bk..ealing then now.45 photos...........he has written of local..Christie..murder of nottinghill.rillington..film..last man to be hanged....arrested southall pk.stole bike...crimes west drayton.where.oates lives..age 43............1995ish ealing library... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 18-Jun-2013
    Glad you enjoyed Pauline thought you would 1st time i read it was 1981 when i lived in Lancashire.

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Jun-2013
    denis....do you remember the photo of old iron,,spikes bridge.in it...kindly colin...gave that photo from his.................such rare photo...very interesting.............

  • Re: 24th May by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 18-Jun-2013
    Yes Yvonne i remember it

  • Re: 24th May by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 19-Jun-2013
    Yes, I did enjoy it Denis, especially all the time he spent in Southall. It was lovely to read about his schools and places of worship. Many hilarious events as well.

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Jun-2013
    http://www.mabains.co.uk/index.html

    traditional quaint old sweet shop...Chalfont st peter....by uxbridge harefield middx...........tel..01753 880 082....by the a413..high st......red kites birds prey.go over now.....old sweets even some people cant remember.......sold in old measures....then converted......................milestones museum..prince Philip opened..m3..basingstoke..kids get war ra... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 20-Jun-2013
    Yvonne mention you Chalfont i remember going to scout camp there with the 3 Spartons Southall about 1954 is it still there.

  • Re: 24th May by penny (Member 10265839) on 20-Jun-2013
    Has anyone else noticed that there is a copy of Ian Niall's "A London Boyhood" for sale on Amazon for the amazing price of £1999.00!!!!!!!!

  • Re: 24th May by Bill Henley (Member 10272156) on 20-Jun-2013
    Chalfont Heights Scout camp is still operating. In the 1960s I ran scout camps there with the Lady Jersey Own troop and then the Trojans. The highlight for many was the night walks without torches for boys who had only known life in the street lit town. There was still a certain naivety about the boys then that seems sadly missing in the current generation. I am rather sad at some of the social ch... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 20-Jun-2013
    Yes Penny, I noticed it when I ordered from Amazon!
    You'd think they would have altered it by now.

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Jun-2013
    Chalfont st giles...Chalfont st peter.....bucks...under Amersham council....they would know.....Chalfont...by university college....open air..Chiltern museum....events...so good.................prefab...school marm...lessons...in old school hse...etc..etc......red kite bird prey restored...flies over...huge gt...............old sweet shop...ma bain.....in google..............red white stripe barbe... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 20-Jun-2013
    I went to scout camp at Chalfont in the 1950's.
    The word KYBO sticks in the memory

  • Re: 24th May by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 20-Jun-2013
    Thanks for that Bill & Michael glad its still there.

  • Re: 24th May by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 20-Jun-2013
    Yes Yvonne this is the bridge at Spikes i remember this is the bridge i think that most of us played on who lived in the area. This bridge was replaced by the 1 in my Flicker pics, i think it is a pre war pic if you look under the bridge its fields no Geo. Wimpeys also i think this is the bridge that replaced the swing bridge you mentioned.

  • Re: 24th May by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 20-Jun-2013
    Denis, I'm getting a bit puzzled about Spikes Bridge. Are you saying that the picture on Southallboard 11 and in Ian Niall's book is the one you played on as a child. It certainly isn't the one I played on from when I was about seven (1938).

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Jun-2013
    yes..replaced the swing bridge 1930...onwards yrs.........very old iron....bridge....................can see the bumpy field under it over brookside....rail...to...ashford Berwick ave..delemare................yeading brook area...tow path there...........front cover..has blue with white...semi circle..around 3 lads looks like him age 12 to right.......have him..photo when he wrote 1st bk......and ... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 20-Jun-2013
    I'm reading my brother's autobiography, bearing in mind that he was 5 years younger than me.

    Spikes Bridge was a comparatively small sturdy "Bailey Bridge" type of construction, all iron girders with a typical criss cross reinforcement. Underneath the bridge was also criss cross lengths of iron rod, tying in the supports from side to side. It became a feature of one's physical prowess and darin... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Jun-2013
    gt diary....unique...not many accounts like that.......so interesting.......yes ledge....jump off.....ropes they sometimes swung on.......1944....marvellous account..so good for yrs to come to read.......always love hearing parts of it thankyou...greatly appreciated.........bumpy..field.....in google....Paddington...London rubbish...glass etc......buried...............and inlets...filled in ...als... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Jun-2013
    knickname the cut...many yrs .........says 4ft deep....trough....water for narrowboats..barges.....number90 spikes...87 Denham the deepest lock.........tarzan....oh yes.....ropes they slung as well to swing.try get across...wonder what the average width is.........age 8 1944..same as my west ave cousin..born ..in house...like your.david......my aunt..was 21/2.....married holy trinity 1934 xmas....... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 20-Jun-2013
    No Yvonne the bridge in Ian Nails book is the one we played on as i said look under the bridge on the far bank the field is trees & grass in the 1940/50 Geo. Wimpey had it fenced off it was there Lancaster road yard so the pic pre dates that.

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Jun-2013
    lovely thanks denis

  • Re: 24th May by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 20-Jun-2013
    Pauline its not a very good pic if you look thro a magnifying glass you can see the lattice bars underneath & the outside bars we used to walk across.

  • Re: 24th May by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 20-Jun-2013
    I have put a pic of Spikes bridge from Ian Nails book, there is a pic of the new bridge on my Flicker site.

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Jun-2013
    will look now...carol vordamen...doing world like amy Johnson...her gypsy moth on..tv..one show.bbc 1...now.......carols boyfriend is one of red arrows pilots.............19 days took.1st woman solo to Australia.....cbe..around world solo...1941..crash..never found..thames estuary 37 yrs old...hull born..

  • Re: 24th May by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 20-Jun-2013
    Denis - Yes, you're right about the rare picture in Ian Niall's book. It obviously replaced the old Swing Bridge, and the Iron Bridge with the iron ledge that we all played on as kids replaced the one in the book. I was playing on it in 1938 and it wasn't new then. Probably built in the 1930's sometime. However, when my brother David and I visited Spikes Bridge in 2000 for my birthday treat, our d... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Jun-2013
    denis...Pauline...the reflexion.....in water....presume...glass plate photo...seems detail like that...................lattice yes....right...east side...my cousin..1950s...played on under bridge...tow path under ..at...old brick..support area there...was old ..hicle de pickl..ee.....if they slipped fell ..climbing..over brick.or such...under there...........spikes were put on to keep kids off....... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 20-Jun-2013
    I'm sorry Dens. I've just seen your piece on Spikes Bridge, and that is not the bridge we played on. Ours was a criss cross bridge that we could look through and hold onto. Read David's writing on it. It explains it exactly.

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Jun-2013
    denis............which yrs..did your dad work wimpey.............was it Lancaster tudor rd...area exactly..near tudor rd school..off that way area.................east side of canal.......then wimpey..place at top lock..north side..glade...................the merger was Woodrow wimpey....guess what yr.....that might be in google.....best wishes thanks...............

  • Re: 24th May by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 21-Jun-2013
    Dad started at Lancaster Road Wimpeys about 1947. There was a bridge with lattice sides which was the White bridge if my memory serves me right this had a ledge across it was at the North side of Spikes bridge park i think it was removed in the 1960/70.

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Jun-2013
    thanks 1947.........was he there..perhaps 20 yrs.............thanks......2007..merger taylor wimpey........of Woodrow...........2012 taylorwimpey.finished new marina...flats estate....Ruislip rd canal...of.where offices taylor Woodrow was...broken windows derelict long yrs...........yes the ledge...bridge.....wobbly ..wood planks.floor...1960....I knew it.........spikes...had been put on...it....a... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 21-Jun-2013
    The bridge I'm talking about is the one you got to by either walking through Spikes Bridge road alley, or through the park onto the towpath. The White bridge was on the opposite side of the canal to the right where the sunken barges where.

  • Re: 24th May by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 21-Jun-2013
    That should be 'were' not 'where' sorry.

  • Re: 24th May by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 21-Jun-2013
    No Yvonne Dad left Wimpeys 1958 then went to Hygrade Trumpers Way Hanwell.

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Jun-2013
    thankyou...Pauline..lovely....thankyou...and denis.....amazing interesting area....I.walked daily...........just under 10yrs denis..yes remember you saying trumpers........and wimpey..place at north top locks.glade area..............thanks...gt....happy 31 prince William today...few weeks and new baby same lindo wing..unless..she is..near other hospital..support....................best wishes to t... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 21-Jun-2013
    Yvonne was Wimpeys Top locks yard in the same area as Martin Bros Pottery.

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Jun-2013
    yes definitely.........denis...there is photo...of old top locks north area..old gates building area wimpey...there..glade...martin...was..along a bit...nearcanal...1870s they took over old soap works..by canal........so..Havelock rd..which..went down to canal area there...north side of canal........coal depots along...my aunt born 1914...there remembered....fire the hot kilns..........norwood bri... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Jun-2013
    Pauline......we walked the area...couple yrs..ago....west side spikes bridge now..extremely high growth......as you say......west side...go right....white bridge.....sunken barges................there is Hillingdon.borough...trail..countryside walk..preserved public footpath..high growth..dirt .bit of path....................we walked it...goes along ..west side of canal...to the right north......... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Jun-2013
    with development of online.......today it is said,,,that a book..biography etc.....can be done directly with amazon............today............used to be a private publisher costing a great deal........but ..says....not need to be sold in shops...publisher that way..restrictions.........can be put out..on amazon..without shops.....for aquire....

  • Re: 24th May by Bill Henley (Member 10272156) on 21-Jun-2013
    The picture frame factory was owned by the Haig family with whom I had some dealings via the Lady Jersey's Own scout troop. It is interesting to note that Norwood Green was the more important area before Southall Green and around was developed. A schoolboy project of mine revealed that Osterley Park House was important for the corset industry. With regard to the Martin brothers, it is sad that the... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Jun-2013
    yes...library....and ftn....library still has some..to view now......pitsanger mansion hse saw lots martin...yr 2000.....but ..robbery.....they are..locked away now....albert memorial and V and A ..London..have some on display.......haigh Johnson was 1958 mayor.southall...of the family........some people still have haigh.frame prints....and they are online...to buy......norwood green myfamily star... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Jun-2013
    Pauline.....it would be great to put some sketches..of memory.......with davids dairy.........the bridge....west side...boggy....weir..waterfall....sunken boats areas inlets...white bridge..tow path.....brookside......cow pats..ha.......sketches of the area..memory...would be gt....scan..flickr...for all to see....wonderful...memory...sketches......ledge..jumping off etc.....pictures paint thousan... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Jun-2013
    bill.....think found it after few hrs research today......we always go Osterley tour hse......heritage history film.there books..costume...events Georgian.fashion.etc.....got Gresham....childs....royal exchange London...banking......got childs Villiers..1924...Villiers of southall....earl jersey............so corset industry .is it...William graham.1818 to 1885.glasgow cotton manufacturer....and C... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 24-Jun-2013
    I agree that to have sketches of all the scenes around Spikes Bridge which were there during my childhood would be wonderful, but not possible. I just wish my brother, the artist, could have done some. However, as no pictures are available, I think it is essential that the firm memories I have should be recorded for history's sake. Spikes Bridge was the centre of most of our activities. As David r... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 24-Jun-2013
    I forgot about the wooden planks on the bridge, which felt most unstable. I used to avoid one in particular. I also forgot to mention, which is most important, that the beginning of my time on the bridge was when I was about seven (1938). The last time I would have walked over it was in 1952 when my husband to be and I used to go to his sister and her husband in their flat in Berwick Avenue over t... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Jun-2013
    Pauline...your wonderful...words...need ..to go with your brothers.......yes sketches spikes areas.....and broadway shops......old tudor school interiors........other areas..etc......feel sure if your brother had been of now computers flickr photos etc......he would have loved draw sketches for us........I hope do some..of my ....interior homes.memories..etc....if shops etc...later on...if huge ch... more >>

  • Re: 24th May by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Jun-2013
    meant to say...gt daredevil...stretch kids...just be .so careful..as well......colin...has gt collection..of decades newspapers ..southall...canal...etc......coroners...etc....loads...sadness.....accidents etc.........rats poo wee..paddling..can get..infections thames also.....Ruislip lido also.......wonderful..modern..pools today..and rubber floor playground gt play items........roads are the mos... more >>

 
Tudor Road by dennis legge (Member 10281999) on 18-May-2013
Does anyone remember a Club that was held in Tudor Road School in the Evening once a week,I believe the Man who ran it was a Mr Prentice.   
  • Re: Tudor Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-May-2013
    back in pages..jan 2011...says how gd tudor rd club.was......tues thurs evenings..perhaps fri

  • Re: Tudor Road by Chris (Member 10220786) on 18-May-2013
    I remember TUDOR RD YOUTH CLUB - days of innocence - fun and games. We used to take our own records and dance, play table tennis, cards etc. My memory is from late 50's. MR FALLON was the Club Leader, such a lovely man. Chris

  • Re: Tudor Road by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 18-May-2013
    This reminds me of the Pioneer Club, which used to meet at Dormers Wells School. It was started in the earky 1940's by people from Holy Trinity Church. We used to play billiards and table tennis-there was also Judo sessions. I think there as something on this site some years ago.

  • Re: Tudor Road by Lynette Ware (Member 10283192) on 18-May-2013
    went to the club at Dormers Wells also the New Youth Centre across from Southall Park. Made coffee with Cathy good times

  • Re: Tudor Road by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 19-May-2013
    In my time refreshments were served by two red-headed sisters-can't remember their names.

  • Re: Tudor Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 19-May-2013
    blue plaque today teddington studios by river tv,,,went once..gt audience show...huge crowd celebrities there wives..eric ernie.....bbc tv..gone to salford now sadly......in google...dave slater furn shop southall..pages good read....life..bbc war site....28 sept 1940 north rd sch..a bomb closed 6wks.......etc..good read......marshall blue plaque this yr music party shop 1962 high st..guitar...amps.....

  • Re: Tudor Road by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 19-May-2013
    Yes Lynette I remember the youth centre across from Southall Park. It was very modern & had great facilities and a very good snooker table although the best snooker facilities in my opinion were at the Labour Club where my Dad would sometimes take me on a Sunday morning. I also remember the youth club at Kings Hall this would all be about 1963-1966.

  • Re: Tudor Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 19-May-2013
    kings hall closed jan 2013...methodists to aford structure.old...not known yet what will happen.....

  • Re: Tudor Road by Lynette Ware (Member 10283192) on 19-May-2013
    Yes, it was around that time. I know I went there most of 1965. Lots of happy memories.

  • Re: Tudor Road by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 20-May-2013
    Which school did you go to Lynette? Just trying to see if we had any friends in common. The guys I used to go the Youth Centre with were the Edwards boys, Colin. Jeff & Derek; Jeff Fair, Bill Mansfield & John Masters (Jonte)and we all of us hung around the Bowl as well.

  • Re: Tudor Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-May-2013
    dormers..my class...she will get back to you..incase she ..is not able at the moment....canada......

  • Re: Tudor Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-May-2013
    keith pauline..everybody..gt ytube.....in google.type.....canals in britain 50s..by huntley film archive..................and there is .1930s grand union also...and potteries canal..also..........archive film 5749...........lovely so much there.....kearley southall brent rd was our last coal run..close..the ole jam ole......films ingoogle...thy do reminisce trips..........my aunt supervisor 1940s.... more >>

  • Re: Tudor Road by Lynette Ware (Member 10283192) on 20-May-2013
    Yes, Yvonne is right, went to Dormers. I knew John Masters, he moved to Darwin Drive and lived next door to my sister. Don't remember other people

  • Re: Tudor Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-May-2013
    josie neil..lived darwin..golflinks estate..best wishes lynn..my cousin had gt visit.his son getsmarried mountains..with family next week....golflinks est on council list today..due to be refurbished...tower blocks etc

  • Re: Tudor Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-May-2013
    southall films..ytube....in google,,,,,ealing hospital to gurdwara southall broadway......top front of bus..iron bridge s park........there.the other is walking film..northcote ave to southall station..glass door town hall...foods fashion.shopping....pet clarke wilf pickles.meg jenkins.petwee...gay dog greyhound track southall 1954........phoenix hse old ofices now flats southall green...

  • Re: Tudor Road by Lynette Ware (Member 10283192) on 20-May-2013
    Glad everyone had a good visit it is a long time since I have been back. My daughter was living in New Zealand so visited her instead of going home. What is going to be done to Golf Links estate? I moved into a Tower block with my dad when the prefabs came down are they taking them down? My sister moved from Darwin Drive to Faraday Road, close to the shops, now she is in Lincolnshire

  • Re: Tudor Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-May-2013
    in google...just..usual type of ealing council...plans...promised...they say..refurbish havelock estate.......few places..they plan to refuurbish......but .not known...exactly when...it says...refurbish golf links...by housing company....if see more info..during the yr will let you know....in google..ealing council...they put most there................people have problems there may yrs..will hope ... more >>

  • Re: Tudor Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-May-2013
    little row shops still there..in dip at wall with green......old peoples home....supermkt there now......dr cohen...gp on road by prefabs.....primary expanded..nursery on field at infants.......my aunts inlaws uncle..were in tower block..age 70s..both passed away in there same week......bunny pk we went sundays still there...got maze now........cafe icecream...small zoo...wallabies etc.....lots go... more >>

  • Re: Tudor Road by Dilys Boot (Member 10061138) on 20-May-2013
    Lynette, We also moved from Southall to Lincolnshire as did our son and family. It's a much better way of life. Like it used to be in Southall many years ago.

  • Re: Tudor Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-May-2013
    BACK....2 days...kept email them..thanks computer staff there....lyn...back now you asked.....kate mcewan good book in google..pulse publish 1984.....southall ealing greenford.......royal hideaway mistresses...george4...edward3..victoria father...acton..known as fashion spa resort ..laundry town.........bricks made norwood green robins..1800s ..built buck palace......umbrella 1st man..buried hanwe... more >>

  • Re: Tudor Road by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 22-May-2013
    I thought it was gone for good this time.

  • Re: Tudor Road by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 22-May-2013
    Have you seen the change in our Southallboards now?
    Just a long sheet of photos. I don't think they can be sent to individual people now.

  • Re: Tudor Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-May-2013
    oh..thats not good..nice to let others....if you send link..they can see whole..page......ctrl c...in blue...then..put in email..to them...by doing ctrl v......let me know..can...help more on that.........yes shock to me yesterday...1st time seen it........not good..like friends reunit......they dont change things for better...if aint broke dont fix..it....oh dear.....will try get used to it.....m... more >>

  • Re: Tudor Road by Lynette Ware (Member 10283192) on 22-May-2013
    Thanks for the message back now don't know anything about phots where do you see them? I'm enjoying reading about Southall and would like to see some photos

  • Re: Tudor Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-May-2013
    flickr .southallboard ..in google.....quite few boards come..up....54 boards..3 yrs collection...all yrs...local..as well........200.items.each board.......memories...etc......xxx

  • Re: Tudor Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-May-2013
    just heard......june 10th they start filming new midwife...sister juliana at chelsea flower show..perfect roses...wonderful tv..daily....she said..lots men watch it..such good.1950s..docks..people life.midwives....mic manus died 93..with pallo..dominion.wrestling..tv..weekly....australia..won..rhs..gt prize at chelsea..queen liked..frogs..he recorded in his oz..garden...great display...with..All.o... more >>

  • Re: Tudor Road by Lynette Ware (Member 10283192) on 23-May-2013
    Love Call the Midwife my daughter sent for the DVD from England so we could watch the whole show. The books are great as well. Makes me nostalgic for England!

  • Re: Tudor Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-May-2013
    did you get link for board photos.........yes 1957 london docks gt midwife..won...awards...several series...so popular....they film again june this yr....so very good...men like it also.........happy whitsun.60 yrs queen abbey..new painting of her in there 11ft by 9ft.....cosmati famous mosaic floor restored there at crowning.......

  • Re: Tudor Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-May-2013
    fortunate........keith......4 photos of 4 martin graves..havelock...stones names wives etc.......not seen in google etc....so very nice.....southall famous pottery.....rected by tyw.southall loc hist soc 1995.st john ceremony 2006

  • Re: Tudor Road by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-May-2013
    keith....from the ealing dept....she was there at st john ceremony..2006...local history society organised payed for granite stones..in by main gate..ahead left..near...4 near..granite dome shape...numbers..on.map at gate....87d....110f....110g..109m.....54...64...55..and main robert wallace was 8o yrs old......1923.................says sculptor on stne with wife name....left probate in google....... more >>

 
rare 1927 colour cine film of London by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 15-May-2013
Just been sent this - never seen it before

http://www.wimp.com/rarelondon/
  
  • Re: rare 1927 colour cine film of London by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-May-2013
    thats funny...tony showed me that at weekend.....yes good 1927.......just put it in google....comes up ok....mike dennis pauline everybody........

  • Re: rare 1927 colour cine film of London by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 15-May-2013
    Thanks for that Keith. It was lovely to watch.

  • Re: rare 1927 colour cine film of London by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-May-2013
    today fly past 70yrs derwent water...we accidently found it and pub..on our way across pennine chain yrs ago........2 spits lancaster bomber 2 tornados..lunchtime today..tv programme thurs night today......gibson 24..got victoria cross crews 20yrs olds......

  • Re: rare 1927 colour cine film of London by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 16-May-2013
    Gibson killed Holland 1944 in Mosquito crash

  • Re: rare 1927 colour cine film of London by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-May-2013
    ah ..yes..and his poor little black dog...fly past lunchtime today.....channels freeview.80..and 82....the live ..tv news....or sky news on.computer live......gratitude always..to all......

  • Re: rare 1927 colour cine film of London by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-May-2013
    midday took off scampton lincs..1 pm dam.derwnt water sky news tv..practiced,,was 19 aircraft..low feet try..hour service tonight,,,,

  • Re: rare 1927 colour cine film of London by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 16-May-2013
    Yes Gibsons dog Nigger nobody seems to know where his grave is anymore.

  • Re: rare 1927 colour cine film of London by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-May-2013
    yes dog.......beauty of film tv..today.......peak district holiday we loved...blue john caves..bakewll etc etc..chatsworth..wonderful.....lancaster spit..look gt......spits took photos after..germans ..nazi..all directions..help..break down...6 bad yrs war..all efforts...end at last...derwent weather looks lovely today...fly....service tonight...

  • Re: rare 1927 colour cine film of London by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 16-May-2013
    Just watched opp sundown from Scampton with Dan Snow very moving.

  • Re: rare 1927 colour cine film of London by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-May-2013
    hour was one bbc best programmes...snow....the raf .event perfect...so well done....amaze...vets etc.....landed the 5....band.......credit to them...such excellent programme........our chance to be there.....gt......sounds..cameras...in planes...all so gd........

  • Re: rare 1927 colour cine film of London by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 16-May-2013
    70yrs ago now at 9-40 the Lacasters were taking of from Scampton.

  • Re: rare 1927 colour cine film of London by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 16-May-2013
    Sorry 9-50

  • Re: rare 1927 colour cine film of London by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-May-2013
    tonight bbc 2 tv..11.20pm....1943 the dams

  • Re: rare 1927 colour cine film of London by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 17-May-2013
    our midday today channel..19..tv.find past......barnes wallace gt grandaughter...1942 test tanks teddington...national physical lab..sign offic secret to be employed..tony went from grammar...scientists told him..of bounce bomb..tank tests the spin..there.....plaque there...to say.......etc.....as tv says today......1943 raid..etc......so much of interest........

  • Re: rare 1927 colour cine film of London by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 17-May-2013
    4 mths testing at teddington...npl....by bushy pk where tony worked......back spin..test tanks there..1942...before 1943 dams....tonight...9pm..14 channel freeview more 4..2hrs.....one show chris evans radio 2...lincs today...there....chelsea be gt on.tv..lovely went once and also hampt ct flower show gt....tv..also....wow

  • Re: rare 1927 colour cine film of London by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 18-May-2013
    Just had a very apt moment the BBMF. Lancaster flew straight over my flat at about 300ft.

  • Re: rare 1927 colour cine film of London by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-May-2013
    gt....the canadian..gd tv..last night....got bounce bomb to work on..made dam..canada lake.....tv today music the film..3.30 channel 5.music so gd.....6pm..johnnie johnson.his 2 nails..triangle wood hole in...gt with spotlight idea....line up on towers of dam......tv.today....channel 5....lancastr film..this week derwent spits..must keep...such camera work.....sounds engines etc