dge northyde...turning well widening at old oak pub....bulls bridge.......google does not have victoria dock....keith was that on your map part of adelaide.. sayshistoric adelaide says...boatbuilding repairs.etc..northyde brickfields all along there to orphanage..along there.big coal depot fuel handmade bricks clamps.does not say kilns

thames......norwood... hayes.uxbridge ditrict.is whole area north of canal...only southallgreen and farms st johns parish exsisted

house is the derelict pulled down victorian house 100yrsand more brickmaking 202 canal bridge and house in 1881..clay from all out back quarry holes areas east side heston airport area......cannot see victoria dock was that part of adelaide keith...

pur coming upnorthhyde lane to bridge joining at your derelict hse...hence huge long green not built on so houses lay strangly far back off rd...foundations of houses not on filled in canal spur under green grass front...my aunt would have known too late to ask.........canal coming into your corner at derelict grounds by begin wentworth..so if huge dip is part of cut out of canal spur joining there

anything at all.surprising often interests people through 2010...makes local history nostalgia booklet in itself

. Then approaching Bulls Bridge there are 2 x unnamed docks on the Heston side of the towpath, unnamed meant that they were "out of use" Then we get to Bulls Bridge and a dock marked "GWR sleeper depot" From then on there are too many names to mention, many now forgotten such as Dawley dock, Stockley Dock, Liddells Dock, Bentic dock & Onslow Mills etc all before the "Slough Cut" and "Cowley Wharf"

l suspect this is pre-1948 Nationalisation as it shews (using the "e") the then independent canal companies such as the Oxford Canal and the Kennet & Avon. ls this of interest??

made bricks of the northyde victorian clamps decline....barry has the bridge house there pulled down xmas census brickfield owner lived there 1881........house sits on side of northhyde canal bridge 202......turning well widening is just there....wharfinger owner of wharfdock northhyde bridge house 1881 is tom curnock uxbridge reg district.census.norwood.....quote the free 1881 entry......brickfield owner at the 202 bridge house.....toll house of canal at norwood general district area...and boatyard norwood 1881 census...if take details of your map to library or london archive hope to get photocopy of their copy...just need canal northhyde photocopy..or scan put on our flickr site.....good map keith thanks

they had a wharf on the north west side of the Woolpack bridge, do you know the huge steel tying rings are still there in the concrete. My grandfather used to take me along to see the horses pulling the barges full of timber. I recall back along near Bulls Bridge BW had a dry dock ? ifI rembember rightly along near where Tesco now is.

lling at 1881 census old victorian hse....so derelict one is john reed brickfields owner 1881at our bridge 202 ...google says wharfinger also coal merchant wharf owner..aunt said huge coal depot along there for brickfields...

family were brick & gravel merchants).and Odell's dock south of the canal and close to the 'Pigeon House'. The so-called Dawley dock was actually well outside the Dawley boundary, in Yiewsley, north of the canal. (Maynard's dock had been, however, renamed as 'Dawley Dock' on a conveyance map in 1948) One of the longest canal docks in the whole area, Pocock's (or Broad's) was just outside the west boundary of Dawley, south of the canal. This served the Stockley Brick Works, although only a small area of brick earth for it was taken from Dawley. There was also a small dock, apparently unnamed, on the south side of the canal in Dawley, facing Maynard's dock on the north side. This was there at least by 1865 It was joined by another small dock, further east, at a later date.I will post a section of map on flickr showing Harrisons Printers Dock and another dock further along which appears to have served the 'X' Chair in Silverdale Road. By the way if you would like a copy of Terry White's book let me know and I will send you the details.

e blocks of council estate....tall flats etc lay back and group around all along there..heston airport ground in front golflinks

ing men gone...residential flats now

...up near .... with toll hse norwood north hyde and boatyard north hyde norwood...hayes coming under norwood district.....so derelict hse bridge hse is parish heston.brickfield owner living in house with dip hole at back.....must have used pub to pay their wages may have owned the brewery of pub also.northstar just nearby.brickfield owner may have owned the brickies cottages north star they payed rent to him or the brewery pub there...

at the common there.....wharfinger who owned the wharf on google lived several generations at the now xmas demolished bridge hse northhyde bridge....doug keith knowledge of nearby,,,,bridge ancient iron notice..reads no locomotive engines too ponderous heavy to go over bridge.....hence old iron tractors etc.....photo on our flickr....aquisition land heston airport and orphanage archive says by m.c.c...council 1950s....so m.c.c. responsible demolisions

ntre.as was 1856 school.1896 to98 caplin went to.says statue there....billy eliot film so good.... credit to elton john brought up pinner..billy theatre show is excellent boy is so clever and whole cast exceptionally good..puts me in the mind of blood brothers abit..the north east and liverpool working class struggles

ccartney next door screaming girls climbed over their wall....lyons have archive of nippies their uniform .etc

e know what it used to be ? perhaps Len may know.

ight,,,my aunt family lived opposite she did mention it...that was 30yrs ago when got her talking abit...must have been on census just comes into parish heston 1800s 1900s..thanks info

people around there..too late to ask..she called it all the depot..bridge hse..couple farms landowners she had along there.fentons etc..

bridge is on ealings conservation protection order for maintenance..regina rd starts other side bridge going north.....always been there small windows 1800s house.was part of the industry at canal bridge there busy...KEITH your dad of canal do you know of old house at canal bridge there and other site gentleman who had relative at bulls bridge cottage DO YOU KNOW..thanks

gle street map photo shows it as huge lots windows old 1800s bricks..huge lots big trees.overgrown..but right on bridge sits the house at canal edge...gentleman says he originated from marylebone london gent... wonder.the man in charge overseer...all trade there at busy canal..big coal depot there my aunt said...massive amount coal for brick making just along from house..the orphans would have known of hse...

...his office in the big house....accounts commerce...great deal of coal arrived there depot for brick clamp huge firings ...1800s would be the army ordinance ammunition had their barracks further along but docks all along.as at northhyde bridge number 202 .wolf bridge 203.adelaide dock between was boat builder repairs yard.....seems the bridge hse went bust left derelict to the council....decline canal because rail and rds..so curnock must have gone bankrupt perhaps.empty there for so many yrs.....I wrote to council and library last yr about such extreme length of derelict...so at last action...1887 farmhse listed building polish war memorial think bats and foxes in..extreme derelict many many yrs but never going to do anything

with the canal trade. Did the address come under Wentworth Rd. or North Hyde Lane ? presume originally would not have been Wentworth as the road was not built then. many thanks.

ocks..house and office inside.as house goes right down slope to canal edge.....high responsibilty value cargoe delivery..lots pilfering ref old bailey court cases on google.poor people .off back lorry as term today used....thanks know this last week gone.I wrote asking about its history and think 30 yrs at least derelict.wrote this last yr so that is coincidence..old oak pub would have known its use..google street map so clear windows etc...hole wonder if was a well or cess pit....if not connected to 1930s modern sewage pipes... that costs massive money to pay for...fishers owned big hse springwell at cranford lane..my gt aunt was housekeeper..her huge family he sold place to her as cheaper as he could to her.....but the sons spent whole life bachelors paying for new rates and sewage pipes etc to be put in 1940s..1800s hse huge grounds.....

h cargo my aunt and brother earned penny before school western rd to wash fish barrow.help nan food money..derelict boarded up over 30 yrs pulled down just before xmas.huge trees in grounds..does your uncle know it.it sits right at bridge northhyde lane opposite raleigh rd..thanks best wishes happy new yr

n northyde..500 loaded cart and horse 5am to lampton....so thats the old track lane northhyde bending round fern lane and down to lampton...tony went to springgrove grammer lampton..........westbrook calls it heston so hounslow council have probably sold it for development big red white boards this last 5yrs....anyway southall did not exsist as such then.southall green farms.rest all called norwood then as far as dormers wells huge norwood area....westwood says 36300000 bricks he was selling to other dealers from portion of clamp....it is farrell dealer who has had his cart load stolen......says clamp.....so suspect that huge green that they have decided not to build on might be the clamp..on tv victorians shows it as rectangle.....piled in coal..clay mould each brick hand made layed around outside in clamp..massive coal in middle 5 days fire.....over back at was heston airport quarry pits etc wonder if clay taken off in well over 100yrs brick making......the pubs and the brewers often owned some of the brickfields..beer to keep the hot labourers working.and wages payed to foremans at the old north star pub was there......women children lodgers at cottages all helped...narrow boats high with cargoe..bricks loaded up to bridge and docks there just by this derelict house....he is most important man like on the thames or down the ports at the coast..in charge of the massive value and costs of all deliveries..etc......wonder if high trees to keep his house private from rough labourers and massive smoke soot of brick clamps if 2 of them there or more..oates ealing lib may know or hounsl lib..thanks you found it gone,,,barry.happy new yr

have come to new enterprise from marylebone paddington brought family to booming bulls bridge and northhyde commerce.......tom curnock son is called 1850s wharfinger bridge house northhyde...owner of the wharfdocks..hence your big hse and grounds there and trees.....202 brdge is old oak tree and northhyde..good photos on foxs walks and bike on google.all bridges along....and 1801 opening pictures paddington extrememly good on google with packet boat trips pictures....207 bus going along and canal bridge..hump bridge iver lane cowley 201 .188 bridges....3 white cottages bulls bridge photos on foxs...1881 free census on find past but cannot get key word to it....northhyde lane..need key words to get census of the bridge house at bridge..have emailed them but no reply.....maps of convent way show the curious shapes of docks wharf..as it goes paralel with wentworth...so this old house to the east of row of dock shapes curves shapes at all maps of convent way curves there....cannot find proof of kilns at northhyde only says clamps which were more old fashioned had some black coal scorched bricks used for labourers dwellings...fine perfect bricks came out of later kilns...wonder if kilns at norwood green norwood brickmaking so famous for good quality bricks buck palace and fine houses built up west london.. london

door helped her...old oak pub tony at side door.front door on canal bricked up...bridge..click close up read....bridge hse boarded up..have some of northhyde lane older houses as well pauline....and 2005 cranford pk church a wedding at lynch gate and stables etc and museum models photos of description boards......later put more on flickr....google maps street view has excellent photos of 2005 or 2006 white red boarded up derelict bridge hse at bridge northhyde

ds all northhyde etc etc.....north star pub and northstar row...that little bit was called north star rd in 1881...barrack row 1881 which came out of orphanage...... .priest at one....old gas factory northhyde...yes gt uncle jim worked there 1881......ordinance cotages along there 3 places ordinance....barry 1881 birch horace b 1853 gen lab wife jane b heston will eliz eliza..northyde road heston.....they call it both lane rd..2 tentlow on 1881 diferent spellings heston

4 old bailey says clamps flat rectangular large squared off place..piled middle huge coal..fired along there for 100.000s of bricks..500 at time horse carts taken 5am to dealers buying them...barrack row from orphanage we have farrier horses of carts and canal////ordinance cottage we have roman catholic priest living..along there all at 1881...no convent way...must be 1940s convent way which changed its name from barrack row as orphan put on diagram..then wentworth seems by 1950s......old gas works along there 1881...heat of gas..gas lights....brentford high st at river had old gas works 1900..jam factory along there at river boiling jam

ry rd heston..parish heston.district isleworth..duke york pub nelson pub british lion house...wellington rd heston sutton with all pubs get loads pubs down south by hounslow

here..excellent up close small in the round so close to costumes actors all.great...walpole pk still has rockery little bridge water etc...old hospital gt edwardian nursery rhyme tiled walls was edw 7th hosp around back st johns church off lido..had tonsils adenoids out there age 5.they brought me yellow glove puppet sooty.icecream was food

cludes many colour plates. Apparently it was priced at £40, but the museum told Anita she could have a 10% discount as they had had it in stock for such a long time!!!

y dog wilfred pickles..racing greyhounds extra got payed 10/-....shirley eaton film 1957..george harker skipper in river film...

f Martinware in a cabinet. Amazing. Even more amazing was that whilst l was looking at it, Anita went to the desk and asked if there were any books on it. The attendant produced a large book, price £40 which she immediately bought for my Christmas present (so l don't yet know who the author is) and he said it was the only copy they had left and he thought it was "long out of print". He knows of the other collection in the Pitshangar Museum. l shall post more info after Christmas when l have been allowed to have the book. The display is amazing with just one ugly bird head included. Cannot believe it fetches so much money he said the collection (about 20 pieces) is very valuable. Am almost speechless. A BRILLIANT museum and worth a visit.

I have my photo as screen saver...2 deer antlers close to me lovely big eyes looking..beautiful animals..yet in new forest so lucky if see them..only regular feed area and go in the hide..couple flock red and fallow.shy .....but richmond of henry 8th lots large herds....kingston had bentalls like ealing broadway..richmond shops couple stops on bus lovely library tourist info shop and wh smith lots local hist bks..whats yours called and author..hap new yr

rary carved reddish huge letters over door....RICKY says RAY at manor hse has people look around 1500s listed tudor building..sept weekend it is open tour also.RAY born bred havelock rd nearby all his life

hurch.receipt 13/6 paid vicar.we have his army bks..birth reg wolstanton.1850..the smoke thick potteries stoke trent..we went good museums and bottletype kiln gladwin,,,and huge museum wedgwood great see them paint plates and gold edge demos.will walt brought wedd presents home from burslem huge blue white plates dishes displayed on old cottage dresser.one still in family with ann.cousin

ral full screen size..photo looks like wallace the eldest think leader.sculpture.and figurerer of wally bird and grotesques..they say he modelled faces on his own..looks poss ..HA..beard cloth fur hat overall.1890s..book 1872 to 1923 martin brothers......4 of them then buried havelock .a son tried to paint piles of left over face jugs etc selling them 1923 but went out of business..he signed his robert martin.less valuable

y doulton....so often pieces on antique roadshow....my gt gt grandfather was at old brentford smith hill by market gardening and gas works..went river to lambeth 1891 1901 1911.died there.william and ann walker ...in his 80s..so many flocked lambeth work labourers...archive good photos etc..stink of bones used potteries near river wharfs..marshes ...disease...by river...all pottery and market garden produce to the crowds of london..famous doulton works of lambeth by river....now huge prices and priceless..handmade uniques and handpainted before transfer print and factory mass production moulds etc....

leader his designs sculpture quirky figures..1920s when one sold for more than £40 he was amazed....they started to get intersting to a few great friends and followers of martin.they bequethed their collections later on....wallace £40 and more for book and 100sthousands for pieces and museums..famous people never saw their true worth .shame..and no reply from cemetery dept....ealing....plot memorial stone.feel sure no stone as they were going bust 1923 not surviving when died...on google famous burials site photos etc..but martin brothers not on it

....martin 1879 showroom holborn..shop fulham extrememly bad fire ..1884 pliability wet clay squashed vase slumped he made photo google..inscribed from bible..and the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter so he made it again another vessel as seemed good to the potter to make it..plaque panel shows wheelboy..bench boy and potter at wood treddle potters table...my potter gt uncles son was called knocker all his life worked martin as knocker outer boy gets pottery out kiln tubs.knocks bottom out to get pottery out...off tentlow lane walk to work at canal bridge there martin havelock pottery.on site of very old disused soap works before 1850

e your birth present brother brought you....will take photos......dilys if can come...laurence from leatherhead it is just off your memories of meadow way..have sent xmas card to phillis scarb hutnell church warden her invite to us

utdoor centre court in good weather..next to sci museum and earth museum gems rocks and nat hist museum dinosoars etc evolution and giant whales etc

ide..promoted animal welfare...film is extremely good..mother was childrens writer..anna signed 1st edition to her mother sold for 33000 pounds christies 2006...she only got 40 pounds for it when publishers took it only just saw success of it at beginning...biographical speaking of black beauty through life makes it unusual and good..still some horse riding along paths ruislip rd and harefield and feed their horses back of osterley....down windmill lane..sensitive animals with their own personality west ave had hay bag around horses neck feed...deliveries....london parades of beer shire horses brasses ribbons dray huge elabourate painted carts huge barrels beer.like fullers..youngs..costume of drivers.in brewers livery spectacular uniforms.smell of fullers was rich strong

hhyde lane...huge long grass infront..makes me think they could not build on it ..industry toxic coal kilns clamps etc...soil there must be suspect hence golf course only allowed.ammunition napolionic wars barracks and storage convent way.one google says saw red flames burst through 1970...victorian farm ends with xmas table soon.bbc2..they did brickmaking...clamp huge amount coal.massive heat..bricks for labourers cottages.kiln gave less blackened for fine houses....by bridge old oak my aunt 1914 to 1927 said coal depot...soot massive 5 days in kiln fires....many 10000s of bricks ......women men lodgers worked my family dwelling there 1800s..gave southall some of its wealth money growth of industry....where theres muck theres brass.... southall brickfactory 1800s 1900s near josies uncle down southall..

..on london...flights...plane spotters many yrs...one chap got arrested about 10yrs ago..but released seemed genuine.....small aircraft...they log all flights in room there 12 people work around the clock

heston airport on there yet and your 3 ,4 items you mention...would like see that all..says fairey.and first plane vertical take off..says weston helicopters....last yr we were weston supermare and the special one only helicopter museum is good there....keith lots on hayessite..all buses history photos routes..aec.records etc locally

lane used by seacadets 1951..1960s aeradio office used chapel still standing as office...etc etc

went my husbands school.springgrove grammer lampton hounslow

with nice dresses.nan with cross over pinny.beatles received there new booklet riverside place open winkle picker..later flares..bell bottom..drain pipe..empire line dresses..stiletoe heels.brylecream....ashracan collar..cloth cap..waistcoats..bolaro top..crocheted poncho.good display in v and a london..butlers burtons did the made measure suits and pkts white collars

nnie......loves golf and west ham team..nan cook beet in copper with gas under..washed len in it first then beet.customers said best beet..len said the scum...washed clothes in same copper....only child parents divorced 50s.len born 1944.scare prostate cancer last yr treated..cockney expressions.get on my wick..for petes sake..my cup of tea..rub salt in..last straw..weedle out of it..etcbring up kids like bake cake...hope got all ingredients right..only time will tell how it turns out..moorish...take mickey...fuddy duddies

ly has been couple yrs now.....

st wishes doug..my dad also born 1921 southall..thanks info any more please...ghost hauntings convent..1921 nuns there 1938 ish went to chigwell..1854 brothers of jesus there.st mary orphanage school convent..3 old chapels..war memorial doug.1952..in grounds north side

links at end wikipedia.

.then priest there to demolish.2 days ago doug on site...

rth it when gt entertainment

w record all flights etc in log books 24 hrs daily...saw security team..military with his security gun come forward to check plane spotter..who they felt suspicious of..IRA troubles and recent terrorist securities.let alone cold war spies yrs ago...remember spies man wife lived bungalow ruislip many yrs

alive and well today with the Battle of Briton Memorial Flight. A happy day for 2 young aircrat fans.

maps	by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Dec-2009
1818..1820 map..new grandjunction canal northhyde ...norwood was southall...heston...before all industry ..brickfields became to their height...agricultural labourers.market gardeners ..huge open spaces...northyde lane bends round .over 202 bridge bends ..fern lane is only track rd....down to elm tree heston junction cranford lane...........got wolf bridge quaker dock ..adelaide dock......202 bri dge northyde...turning well widening at old oak pub....bulls bridge.......google does not have victoria dock....keith was that on your map part of adelaide.. sayshistoric adelaide says...boatbuilding repairs.etc..northyde brickfields all along there to orphanage..along there.big coal depot fuel handmade bricks clamps.does not say kilns ... more >> Re: maps by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Dec-2009 click twice on our flickr....full size screen enlarge...only the common tow path..there.not roads only a track down to north star pub and cottages....road starts northhyde.but 1881 census says called north star rd here.....my aunt said farm behind..can see open fields......fed london all the market gardening...whole is parish heston northyde cranford and isleworth...county boundary dots down river thames......norwood... hayes.uxbridge ditrict.is whole area north of canal...only southallgreen and farms st johns parish exsisted ... more >> Re: maps by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Dec-2009 2nd entry for solus car repair shows better location map..it is north hyde house.northhyde wharf at canal road bridge western rd.which goes into bulls bridge rd and off to bulls....so 1881 the wharfinger northhyde wharf owner tom curnock...is here at bridge house here on census..brent rd comes done to it all factories cargo there for wharf..............so john reed brickfield owner of next bridge house is the derelict pulled down victorian house 100yrsand more brickmaking 202 canal bridge and house in 1881..clay from all out back quarry holes areas east side heston airport area......cannot see victoria dock was that part of adelaide keith... ... more >>

o/s map	by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Dec-2009
laurence your site PPRuNe...has good os map..shows canal spur following line of the now convent way..it used to be barrack row 1881...clay..quarry pits ..brickfields clamps..load bricks on canal..winding hole widening for turning barges and wharf docks all along...fill in canal long back spur.end of bricks etc so before 1930s....barry the spur os map shows it bend to come off now golflinks canal s pur coming upnorthhyde lane to bridge joining at your derelict hse...hence huge long green not built on so houses lay strangly far back off rd...foundations of houses not on filled in canal spur under green grass front...my aunt would have known too late to ask.........canal coming into your corner at derelict grounds by begin wentworth..so if huge dip is part of cut out of canal spur joining there ... more >> Re: o/s map by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Dec-2009 flickr heston airport.....has nice photos heathrow airport planes captain flynn...doug arnold mosquito..bea argos boac..etc..aerial picture heston shows construct m4 1964..wentworth rd and convent way... quarries Re: o/s map by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Dec-2009 barry think you put 2 photos on flickr lovely all those bikes at fence and rest day on grass...canal spur up to your derelict hse on our flickr now Re: o/s map by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Dec-2009 2nd good photo put on flickr today by tony....huge aerial m4 being built 1964...along through heston airport area.....so see wentworth convent way quarries etc.......hanwell site is sad today 2010 feel nobody use site dying site..had many at their height.reunions and photos refreshments..etc....but if several generations join in it would keep going and be so interesting..hope people add any thing anything at all.surprising often interests people through 2010...makes local history nostalgia booklet in itself ... more >> Re: o/s map by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 30-Dec-2009 l have an official Grand Union Canal map from the days when my Dad worked on the Grand Union (up to about 1970). lt names ALL the wharves and docks then in use OR potentially still usable. Heading FROM Brentford (where there are several named users), there is nothing more until "Lock 90 Norwood Top" lmmeditely afterwards is the Quaker Oats Dock, followed by Adelaide Dock then Victoria Dock . Then approaching Bulls Bridge there are 2 x unnamed docks on the Heston side of the towpath, unnamed meant that they were "out of use" Then we get to Bulls Bridge and a dock marked "GWR sleeper depot" From then on there are too many names to mention, many now forgotten such as Dawley dock, Stockley Dock, Liddells Dock, Bentic dock & Onslow Mills etc all before the "Slough Cut" and "Cowley Wharf" l suspect this is pre-1948 Nationalisation as it shews (using the "e") the then independent canal companies such as the Oxford Canal and the Kennet & Avon. ls this of interest?? ... more >> Re: o/s map by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Dec-2009 thanks keith..2 un named out use on heston side...that would be north hyde heston parish.....northhyde bridge 202 before bulls bridge....yes the huge northhyde brickfields stretched across..census has all the brickmakers of area...1854 cart horse took bricks to dealers from there....canal and spur there load bricks....but filled in .my aunt lived by oak tree pub played over mounds 1920s.......hand made bricks of the northyde victorian clamps decline....barry has the bridge house there pulled down xmas census brickfield owner lived there 1881........house sits on side of northhyde canal bridge 202......turning well widening is just there....wharfinger owner of wharfdock northhyde bridge house 1881 is tom curnock uxbridge reg district.census.norwood.....quote the free 1881 entry......brickfield owner at the 202 bridge house.....toll house of canal at norwood general district area...and boatyard norwood 1881 census...if take details of your map to library or london archive hope to get photocopy of their copy...just need canal northhyde photocopy..or scan put on our flickr site.....good map keith thanks ... more >> Re: o/s map by barry raymond (Member 10239180) on 30-Dec-2009 Yes Keith there were quite a few docks along the canal between Bulls Bridge and Dawley another was Maynards Dock. Iknow when I were a lad many moons ago used to play along the canal,don't know what the name of it was but Harrisons the Printers had their own dock, rememember seeing all the drums of ink/dys stacked there. I had an uncle who worked for Horsley Smiths Timber (later Hewetsons flooring) they had a wharf on the north west side of the Woolpack bridge, do you know the huge steel tying rings are still there in the concrete. My grandfather used to take me along to see the horses pulling the barges full of timber. I recall back along near Bulls Bridge BW had a dry dock ? ifI rembember rightly along near where Tesco now is. ... more >> Re: o/s map by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 30-Dec-2009 Other named docks are Shackles Dock, Printing House Dock and Wilshins Dock. Brick Works Dock is on the Regents Canal Arm twixt Yeading and West End (Northolt) Otter Dock is marked as being for exclusive use of Rickmansworth & Uxbridge Valley Water Co Durdans Dock is at Yeading Also very many canal using factories are named such as Lyons, and H J Heinz at Park Royal Re: o/s map by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 30-Dec-2009 Barry Can see no reference to Maynards Dock, nor Harrisons Printers Re: o/s map by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Dec-2009 the barges along spikes bridge were high with long huge timbers.I remember and probably pauline does..taylor woodrow wood sheds all along///think the 1881 norwood census means whole southall area termed norwood..says 1881 northyde norwood bridge hse wharfinger dock owner curnock..may mean historic adelade dock..so northhye canal and norwood corect..so they must have had bridge hse there..their dwe lling at 1881 census old victorian hse....so derelict one is john reed brickfields owner 1881at our bridge 202 ...google says wharfinger also coal merchant wharf owner..aunt said huge coal depot along there for brickfields... ... more >> Re: o/s map by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Dec-2009 harrison...probably printing house lane dock....dad as teenager started work there for short while bike through all traffic of hayes..about 1937..ink barrels...printing ancient place there goes back many yrs Re: o/s map by barry raymond (Member 10239180) on 31-Dec-2009 Hi Keith;-have attached a quote from my good friend Terry White (President of Hayes & Harlington History Soiety) 's book The History of Dawley. This is a wonderful descriptive book, he worked on it for about 25 years !;-Brickmaking at Dawley led to the construction of a number of canal docks. The earliest of these were Maynard's, north of the canal in roughly the middle of the estate, (the Maynard family were brick & gravel merchants).and Odell's dock south of the canal and close to the 'Pigeon House'. The so-called Dawley dock was actually well outside the Dawley boundary, in Yiewsley, north of the canal. (Maynard's dock had been, however, renamed as 'Dawley Dock' on a conveyance map in 1948) One of the longest canal docks in the whole area, Pocock's (or Broad's) was just outside the west boundary of Dawley, south of the canal. This served the Stockley Brick Works, although only a small area of brick earth for it was taken from Dawley. There was also a small dock, apparently unnamed, on the south side of the canal in Dawley, facing Maynard's dock on the north side. This was there at least by 1865 It was joined by another small dock, further east, at a later date.I will post a section of map on flickr showing Harrisons Printers Dock and another dock further along which appears to have served the 'X' Chair in Silverdale Road. By the way if you would like a copy of Terry White's book let me know and I will send you the details. ... more >> Re: o/s map by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 31-Dec-2009 keith photos go on flickr tomorrow for all...2010..turning well northhyde bridge 202. opposite old oak pub...as you say 2 docks on heston side northhyde.1800s 1900s again for brickmaking like dawley/arrive coal take away clay made bricks..etc..bricks stopped there filled in docks 2 roads built through there wentworth..and took photos convent way today..whole dock spur canal loop around there..larg e blocks of council estate....tall flats etc lay back and group around all along there..heston airport ground in front golflinks ... more >> Re: o/s map by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 29-May-2010 For many years there was a steam crane on a length railway track a the side of of Durdens dock untill late 50/60. Re: o/s map by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-Jun-2010 was it to do with taylor woodrow....all length spikes to ruislip rd...long stretches long planks wood piled onto barges...kept side in wood covered sheds...marina opposite durdons area over in willowtree bankside...durdons used to be brickfields.....think durdons got renamed king george park......path back goes into tow path canal....to ruisip rd bridge hd office woodrow gone and statue heavy work ing men gone...residential flats now ... more >>

1881 have north hyde near hayes uxb reg district norwood	by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Dec-2009
so 2 bridge houses...199 schedule..north hyde norwood..for census stretching huge areas..not calling itself southall for official purpose....but says people born southall....so type norwood not southall and all areas rds cottages come up...tom cumock at this 2nd bridge hse says north hyde norwood..not northhyde heston....farmer 66 acres.tom his family as wharfinger owner manager of the wharf docks ...up near .... with toll hse norwood north hyde and boatyard north hyde norwood...hayes coming under norwood district.....so derelict hse bridge hse is parish heston.brickfield owner living in house with dip hole at back.....must have used pub to pay their wages may have owned the brewery of pub also.northstar just nearby.brickfield owner may have owned the brickies cottages north star they payed rent to him or the brewery pub there... ... more >>

FORMAN	by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Dec-2009
the lady looking forman west ave 1940s....1881 census....free on find past......northhyde rd heston..just by canal....tom forman market gardner employed 3 labourers born london place...you said yours moved in from london area.....age 40..wife charlotte/...son william in 1881...1914 my photo natty forman and wife.in charge market gardener war effort my family woman working land for food northyde cranford lane fields

postcode	by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Dec-2009
the address etc on google shows how complicated the council is at border southall heston.and old place called northhyde ..the whole district of northhyde....quote..spec brand solus centre.car repair is on their maps as next to rec and old oak pub the common......quote their address says northhyde wharf.hayes rd.heston......ub25ns southall.....telephone code 571 southall......the winding hole just at the common there.....wharfinger who owned the wharf on google lived several generations at the now xmas demolished bridge hse northhyde bridge....doug keith knowledge of nearby,,,,bridge ancient iron notice..reads no locomotive engines too ponderous heavy to go over bridge.....hence old iron tractors etc.....photo on our flickr....aquisition land heston airport and orphanage archive says by m.c.c...council 1950s....so m.c.c. responsible demolisions ... more >>

aviation	by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Dec-2009
lawrence ..just seen maidenhead 2010 aviation history..their heritage centre...air transport auxillary ladies..west london aero club

sport..local people	by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Dec-2009
remembered the lady lillian board died young just before we got married...then noticed they have named lillian board way after her in greenford..family lived 1956..lillian born 1948 died 22 munich..memorial service st pauls..athletics olympics....went to drayton green school pe teacher spotted her..bowel cancer...fred perry tennis of ealing...billy elliot filmed in hanwell community centre.1933 ce ntre.as was 1856 school.1896 to98 caplin went to.says statue there....billy eliot film so good.... credit to elton john brought up pinner..billy theatre show is excellent boy is so clever and whole cast exceptionally good..puts me in the mind of blood brothers abit..the north east and liverpool working class struggles ... more >> Re: sport..local people by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Dec-2009 family trees back on bbc2.nigella lawson cook..grandfather of 1887 lyons of greenford.nippies and corner houses ealing etc..piccadily circus corner now planet hollywood...he was army catering went to liberated belson to try advise gentle intro to nourish food......marg thatcher worked lyons her chemistry degree.... employed nigel lawson as chancellor yrs later....jewish they lived north london.p m ccartney next door screaming girls climbed over their wall....lyons have archive of nippies their uniform .etc ... more >> Re: sport..local people by barry raymond (Member 10239180) on 28-Dec-2009 Hi Yvonne & co;- Need a bit of help here, have just noticed they have pulled down an old house at the end of North Hyde Lane junction with Wentworth Rd. just as you go over the hump back bridge near the Oak Tree Pub. It appears to have been a quite old house, probably now under Hounslow Borough, backed onto the canal. Can't find anything under planning. I know it had stood empty for years. Any on e know what it used to be ? perhaps Len may know. ... more >> Re: sport..local people by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Dec-2009 right there at bridge.had wood all around boarded up for yrs derelict..saw it still same yr ago..so gone now..wonder what they are going to do with land....bridge hse what was it on census...there was coal depot there etc..house probably to do with activity at canal there..was dock areas 1800s.. bridge..think it was probably 1800 building...somebody in charge of something there busy area at its he ight,,,my aunt family lived opposite she did mention it...that was 30yrs ago when got her talking abit...must have been on census just comes into parish heston 1800s 1900s..thanks info ... more >> Re: sport..local people by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Dec-2009 northhyde lane not on kellys directory on line 1914..because just at bridge it is no longer southall.kellys...wentworth rd we have site member lived there 1950s and pauline around that time down northhyde..anybody know how the old building was then,,,,think it has been derelict since 1970s when I have been along there a few times since then...my aunt lived next old oak 1914 to 1927 knew all places people around there..too late to ask..she called it all the depot..bridge hse..couple farms landowners she had along there.fentons etc.. ... more >> Re: sport..local people by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Dec-2009 on....maps google street view..5yrs ago hot summer day scorched grass van filming..red white boards all around..huge piece land old boared up house inside....boarded so many yrs..empty donkeys yrs..huge trees all in it..so must be last 6mths or so that it has been demolished ..expect they have got rid of all the overgrown growth green as well..wonder if flats but so near bridge and water edge.... bridge is on ealings conservation protection order for maintenance..regina rd starts other side bridge going north.....always been there small windows 1800s house.was part of the industry at canal bridge there busy...KEITH your dad of canal do you know of old house at canal bridge there and other site gentleman who had relative at bulls bridge cottage DO YOU KNOW..thanks ... more >> Re: sport..local people by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Dec-2009 google has tom curnack...bridge hse northhyde....has him as gentleman occupation his daughter born there 1871..emma.....couple of tom curnack before him intered st johns which is just up rd from the bridge regina rd and at southall green..he died 1853 registered northhyde norwood hayes middx..well that whole area early 1800s norwood covered it all and norwood was precinct hayes registering.....goo gle street map photo shows it as huge lots windows old 1800s bricks..huge lots big trees.overgrown..but right on bridge sits the house at canal edge...gentleman says he originated from marylebone london gent... wonder.the man in charge overseer...all trade there at busy canal..big coal depot there my aunt said...massive amount coal for brick making just along from house..the orphans would have known of hse... ... more >> Re: sport..local people by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Dec-2009 the first tom curnock is b 1775 died 1853 northhyde.. tom born 1818married bloomsbury so london gentry.died 1884 northhyde..so if owner of it all the trade there..gentleman who had his managers....1853 tom curnock died 1854 his will..wharfinger northhyde.....these curnocks of bridge hse.now live wembly born 2007 and 1954 born horsham sussex..with 1974 born there Re: sport..local people by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Dec-2009 curnack .one was gentleman as occupation. married bloomsbury ..marylebone.,,,the other was down as wharfinger....1790 to 1900 northhyde...the bridge house....owner of the wharf dock..responsible for the delivery cargoes goods value of...docks filled in at turning well canal just there....the mounds we all know of as playing in more recent yrs...after docks filled in....wealthy man left his will. ...his office in the big house....accounts commerce...great deal of coal arrived there depot for brick clamp huge firings ...1800s would be the army ordinance ammunition had their barracks further along but docks all along.as at northhyde bridge number 202 .wolf bridge 203.adelaide dock between was boat builder repairs yard.....seems the bridge hse went bust left derelict to the council....decline canal because rail and rds..so curnock must have gone bankrupt perhaps.empty there for so many yrs.....I wrote to council and library last yr about such extreme length of derelict...so at last action...1887 farmhse listed building polish war memorial think bats and foxes in..extreme derelict many many yrs but never going to do anything ... more >> Re: sport..local people by barry raymond (Member 10239180) on 29-Dec-2009 Hi Yvonne;-this all helps tremendously, they actually demolished the house the week before Christmas. Went over and had a look on Sunday, the building itself has all been taken away, all the undergrowth and trees are still there. To the left (Wentworth Rd side) is a huge depression in the ground, wonder if sometime it was a pond or something. So obviously as you say this house was something to do with the canal trade. Did the address come under Wentworth Rd. or North Hyde Lane ? presume originally would not have been Wentworth as the road was not built then. many thanks. ... more >> Re: sport..local people by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Dec-2009 yes think northhyde lane and it is northhyde the bridge..the house and grounds are on the slope up to the bridge..most of the house itself longer facing northhyde lane..the south side house is shorter at wentworth.only mainly the huge grounds going down as far corner wentworth..massive trees..owner wealthy..a man of own means.. gentleman 1800s.and his son geneology says wharfinger owner of wharf d ocks..house and office inside.as house goes right down slope to canal edge.....high responsibilty value cargoe delivery..lots pilfering ref old bailey court cases on google.poor people .off back lorry as term today used....thanks know this last week gone.I wrote asking about its history and think 30 yrs at least derelict.wrote this last yr so that is coincidence..old oak pub would have known its use..google street map so clear windows etc...hole wonder if was a well or cess pit....if not connected to 1930s modern sewage pipes... that costs massive money to pay for...fishers owned big hse springwell at cranford lane..my gt aunt was housekeeper..her huge family he sold place to her as cheaper as he could to her.....but the sons spent whole life bachelors paying for new rates and sewage pipes etc to be put in 1940s..1800s hse huge grounds..... ... more >> Re: sport..local people by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Dec-2009 JOSIE DO you or uncle know about house at bridge northhyde opposite old oak tree pub..uncle and family like mine 1900s 1800s brickmaking...think it was bridge house owned 1800s by wharf docks owner tom curnock.. there at turning well canal.cargoes.narrow boats full coal for brick clamps..5 days huge smoke high temperature 1000s bricks....loaded go to paddington build up london..dock there had fis h cargo my aunt and brother earned penny before school western rd to wash fish barrow.help nan food money..derelict boarded up over 30 yrs pulled down just before xmas.huge trees in grounds..does your uncle know it.it sits right at bridge northhyde lane opposite raleigh rd..thanks best wishes happy new yr ... more >> Re: sport..local people by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Dec-2009 g twyman would probably know postcode is southall there .he shows as attend meetings old property development as with n green..he must know something of history northhyde and brickmaking there as was also famous for it at n green..southall borough ealing.old bailey google trial.james ellis of northhyde bricks 1853..edward westbrook said they had his mark on them.he had made them at his last sessio n northyde..500 loaded cart and horse 5am to lampton....so thats the old track lane northhyde bending round fern lane and down to lampton...tony went to springgrove grammer lampton..........westbrook calls it heston so hounslow council have probably sold it for development big red white boards this last 5yrs....anyway southall did not exsist as such then.southall green farms.rest all called norwood then as far as dormers wells huge norwood area....westwood says 36300000 bricks he was selling to other dealers from portion of clamp....it is farrell dealer who has had his cart load stolen......says clamp.....so suspect that huge green that they have decided not to build on might be the clamp..on tv victorians shows it as rectangle.....piled in coal..clay mould each brick hand made layed around outside in clamp..massive coal in middle 5 days fire.....over back at was heston airport quarry pits etc wonder if clay taken off in well over 100yrs brick making......the pubs and the brewers often owned some of the brickfields..beer to keep the hot labourers working.and wages payed to foremans at the old north star pub was there......women children lodgers at cottages all helped...narrow boats high with cargoe..bricks loaded up to bridge and docks there just by this derelict house....he is most important man like on the thames or down the ports at the coast..in charge of the massive value and costs of all deliveries..etc......wonder if high trees to keep his house private from rough labourers and massive smoke soot of brick clamps if 2 of them there or more..oates ealing lib may know or hounsl lib..thanks you found it gone,,,barry.happy new yr ... more >> Re: sport..local people by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Dec-2009 huge depression in ground..did you take photo..would be back of his house south side corner by wentworth..perhaps a well...or cess pit...sewage pipes of council 1930s would not be this old 1800s house....first curnock wharf docks owner was 1790s..when paddington arm first opened coming down to bulls bridge...curnock is man of his own means .gentleman..heir..inherited money.marylebone...so may well have come to new enterprise from marylebone paddington brought family to booming bulls bridge and northhyde commerce.......tom curnock son is called 1850s wharfinger bridge house northhyde...owner of the wharfdocks..hence your big hse and grounds there and trees.....202 brdge is old oak tree and northhyde..good photos on foxs walks and bike on google.all bridges along....and 1801 opening pictures paddington extrememly good on google with packet boat trips pictures....207 bus going along and canal bridge..hump bridge iver lane cowley 201 .188 bridges....3 white cottages bulls bridge photos on foxs...1881 free census on find past but cannot get key word to it....northhyde lane..need key words to get census of the bridge house at bridge..have emailed them but no reply.....maps of convent way show the curious shapes of docks wharf..as it goes paralel with wentworth...so this old house to the east of row of dock shapes curves shapes at all maps of convent way curves there....cannot find proof of kilns at northhyde only says clamps which were more old fashioned had some black coal scorched bricks used for labourers dwellings...fine perfect bricks came out of later kilns...wonder if kilns at norwood green norwood brickmaking so famous for good quality bricks buck palace and fine houses built up west london.. london ... more >> Re: sport..local people by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Dec-2009 just found my photos took couple yr ago..good of old house boarded windows..tony put on flickr Re: sport..local people by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Dec-2009 to all and barry lawrence keith and wentworth rd site member and pauline...hap new yr gift dozen photos colour on flickr..sept 2005 ..lawrence the airlinks site now at heston airport..sports and lloyd centre.hanger design buildings.....southall rec and new flats next door..was old hovels labourers dwellings one tap in centre ...1914 and 1800s to 1927 evacuated....nan gave birth 5 babies there next door helped her...old oak pub tony at side door.front door on canal bricked up...bridge..click close up read....bridge hse boarded up..have some of northhyde lane older houses as well pauline....and 2005 cranford pk church a wedding at lynch gate and stables etc and museum models photos of description boards......later put more on flickr....google maps street view has excellent photos of 2005 or 2006 white red boarded up derelict bridge hse at bridge northhyde ... more >> Re: sport..local people by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Dec-2009 have found demolished bridge hse 1881 census.....free 1881find past.....just put in heston...only heston..up came all rds cottages etc heston parish 1881.....census 501 bridge hse heston northyde....reed john age 38 manager brickfield..born hillingdon..wife born paddington..so she came down canal.....brickfield house 1881 burr born northyde he and wife both clerks......have 6 pages written out loa ds all northhyde etc etc.....north star pub and northstar row...that little bit was called north star rd in 1881...barrack row 1881 which came out of orphanage...... .priest at one....old gas factory northhyde...yes gt uncle jim worked there 1881......ordinance cotages along there 3 places ordinance....barry 1881 birch horace b 1853 gen lab wife jane b heston will eliz eliza..northyde road heston.....they call it both lane rd..2 tentlow on 1881 diferent spellings heston ... more >> Re: sport..local people by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Dec-2009 so google says curnock bridge hse wharfinger early 1800s owner managing the wharf docks canal..1881 38 yrs old and family there brickfield manager john reed...all in area brickfields people grown huge build up all houses...crowds moving in for factories transport etc..barry your.....huge dip in his grounds near start of wentworth rd side..would not be a kiln...some bricks fired there.wonder....185 4 old bailey says clamps flat rectangular large squared off place..piled middle huge coal..fired along there for 100.000s of bricks..500 at time horse carts taken 5am to dealers buying them...barrack row from orphanage we have farrier horses of carts and canal////ordinance cottage we have roman catholic priest living..along there all at 1881...no convent way...must be 1940s convent way which changed its name from barrack row as orphan put on diagram..then wentworth seems by 1950s......old gas works along there 1881...heat of gas..gas lights....brentford high st at river had old gas works 1900..jam factory along there at river boiling jam ... more >> Re: sport..local people by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Dec-2009 just found st mary on free find past census 1881..as barry said 600 at its height..several 100 1881.from surrey east london kent middx..where all boys slept cramped in.....superintendent mafart belgium.most staff belgium irish catholics...but census calls it hounslow street north hyde heston.....was tentlow rd...but he calls it this...ha.....rg11 1340 ..91 folio..sched 688....haydealer at milita ry rd heston..parish heston.district isleworth..duke york pub nelson pub british lion house...wellington rd heston sutton with all pubs get loads pubs down south by hounslow ... more >>

cinema photo etc uxbridge rd ealing	by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Dec-2009
noticed ealingknowhere next to our google southall site lived there 1970s.good photo forum 1934.len pauline etc might like and...bond st walpole picture theatre 1912 photo....on queen suburbs ealing site at google...billy bunter author frank richards name charles hamilton born ealing...questors theatre always been nice along back at mattock lane..6th form ormers we saw lion in winter shakespeare t here..excellent up close small in the round so close to costumes actors all.great...walpole pk still has rockery little bridge water etc...old hospital gt edwardian nursery rhyme tiled walls was edw 7th hosp around back st johns church off lido..had tonsils adenoids out there age 5.they brought me yellow glove puppet sooty.icecream was food ... more >>

The Martinware BOOK	by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 27-Dec-2009
As per my posting last week, my Christmas present froom Anita, purchased in the Kingston Museum Shop 10 days ago is a book entitled, "The Martin Brothers, Potters", by Malcolm Haslam and published by Richard Dennis in 1978. No wonder the attendant at the museum said that he had had it a long time and he thought it was (probably) out of print. lt is a large book, hardback with 174 pages and in cludes many colour plates. Apparently it was priced at £40, but the museum told Anita she could have a 10% discount as they had had it in stock for such a long time!!! ... more >> Re: The Martinware BOOK by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Dec-2009 thats lovely.it is haslam mentioned on google..the photos of their chess pieces look good in ceramics display v and a museum..lovely xmas present.nice of anita.best wishes

Merry Christmas	by Vince Jackson (Member 10004627) on 24-Dec-2009
To all Southallians, Have a verry merry Christmas and happy and peacfull new year. Thanks for the Southall posts brought back some really super memories Re: Merry Christmas by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 24-Dec-2009 Thanks Vince for espressing so well the thoughts of so many of us. A Happy Christmas and 2010 to you and yours

southall film studios	by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Dec-2009
george twyman loc hist soc busy on google greenf high school spring 09..my cousin went there 1967 grammar...front main building all pulled down,,new modern glass building at back....george has good page..LEN would enjoy....called gallery...1936 photo burnt studios...just william 1948..time gentlemen please sid james....life with the lyons..bebedaniels lyons..double exposure 1954 sothall studio..ga y dog wilfred pickles..racing greyhounds extra got payed 10/-....shirley eaton film 1957..george harker skipper in river film... ... more >>

More Martinware news	by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 21-Dec-2009
By the amazing powers of happenchance, my beloved partner Anita decided that she wanted to go to Kingston on Saturday. So l came up from Sussex where l now live and we got a 111 bus that now runs to a different route to 50 years ago, and l found myself in Kingston Town Centre. Even on a Saturday, the museum & library is open until 5 p.m., and the fisrt thing l saw as we went in was a display o f Martinware in a cabinet. Amazing. Even more amazing was that whilst l was looking at it, Anita went to the desk and asked if there were any books on it. The attendant produced a large book, price £40 which she immediately bought for my Christmas present (so l don't yet know who the author is) and he said it was the only copy they had left and he thought it was "long out of print". He knows of the other collection in the Pitshangar Museum. l shall post more info after Christmas when l have been allowed to have the book. The display is amazing with just one ugly bird head included. Cannot believe it fetches so much money he said the collection (about 20 pieces) is very valuable. Am almost speechless. A BRILLIANT museum and worth a visit. ... more >> Re: More Martinware news by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Dec-2009 well done..I saw collection in pitzhanger 8 or so yrs ago..dont know if before robbery or not..google says they took it away safety.dont know if back to give secure building .wrote but know reply.....200 items were given by one man..a friend admirer of martin..his family bequeth...richmond pk on kingston..often photo in national press...express with snow had lovely photo few days ago deer snow.... I have my photo as screen saver...2 deer antlers close to me lovely big eyes looking..beautiful animals..yet in new forest so lucky if see them..only regular feed area and go in the hide..couple flock red and fallow.shy .....but richmond of henry 8th lots large herds....kingston had bentalls like ealing broadway..richmond shops couple stops on bus lovely library tourist info shop and wh smith lots local hist bks..whats yours called and author..hap new yr ... more >> Re: More Martinware news by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Dec-2009 anita keith best wishes for holiday..one book on google..published by haslam hbk..martin brothers 1978..£48..complete history and production.illustrated..40 pgs..40 b/w and 8 colour plates....southall library has 800 pieces.1877 to 1907..sat to 5pm....osterl pk rd..just going east at war memorial.north side of manor hse and gardens.....1890 building library victorian elaborate front..southall lib rary carved reddish huge letters over door....RICKY says RAY at manor hse has people look around 1500s listed tudor building..sept weekend it is open tour also.RAY born bred havelock rd nearby all his life ... more >> Re: More Martinware news by barry raymond (Member 10239180) on 22-Dec-2009 Hi Yvonne-Keith;-I have a small paperback book, which you obviously know about, 'The Martin Brothers-The Southall Potters 1877-1923' It's 43 pages and was published by Southall Local History Society in 1995 by George Twyman. I think it was he that gave me this. If anyone wants his address let me know. Re: More Martinware news by barry raymond (Member 10239180) on 22-Dec-2009 Have just put a pic of the front cover on the Flickr site for you. Re: More Martinware news by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 22-Dec-2009 The Martinware book Anita has bought for me for Christmas is a large one with hard cover. l am not allowed to see it until Christmas but will give you details of it afterwards. l will be back on line on 26th or 27th. > > > l did hear the museum attendant say it was the only copy they had, and that they had had it in stock for some time. Re: More Martinware news by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Dec-2009 thanks yes please address.thanks photo..martin brothers knew burslam potters says google..my sarah timberlake who broutht my nan up .mothers sister..husband born burslam ..potter..his mother mary painter pottery buslem...demob army 1881 india..at hounsl barracks marr local girl gt aunt sarah.lived crannf lane..worked martin brothers..william walter wallbanks died xmas 1912 buried jan 1913 heston c hurch.receipt 13/6 paid vicar.we have his army bks..birth reg wolstanton.1850..the smoke thick potteries stoke trent..we went good museums and bottletype kiln gladwin,,,and huge museum wedgwood great see them paint plates and gold edge demos.will walt brought wedd presents home from burslem huge blue white plates dishes displayed on old cottage dresser.one still in family with ann.cousin ... more >> Re: More Martinware news by barry raymond (Member 10239180) on 22-Dec-2009 Will send you George's address etc. on you e.mails-Barry Re: More Martinware news by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Dec-2009 thanks barry..so good of you photo book....keith our photo site is lovely now about 9 photos or more..room for 100s.....easy....www.flickr.com.........type that in www.place left...click enter which shows by it.......then click top right word.. sign in.....put southallboard@yahoo.co.uk.....password middlesex.....then click sign in..........up come photos.....click then click allsizeslarge and seve ral full screen size..photo looks like wallace the eldest think leader.sculpture.and figurerer of wally bird and grotesques..they say he modelled faces on his own..looks poss ..HA..beard cloth fur hat overall.1890s..book 1872 to 1923 martin brothers......4 of them then buried havelock .a son tried to paint piles of left over face jugs etc selling them 1923 but went out of business..he signed his robert martin.less valuable ... more >> Re: More Martinware news by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Dec-2009 martin in photo is holding one of his more stylsh jug pots.lovely elabourate design..spectacles.old wood chair..google has photo of them with their pottery table in front of them..it was old soap works 1850s site havelock..their studio and factory and coal fired kiln...fulham was shop run by one brother...wallace trained school art.and think said started and was influenced by famous lambeth potter y doulton....so often pieces on antique roadshow....my gt gt grandfather was at old brentford smith hill by market gardening and gas works..went river to lambeth 1891 1901 1911.died there.william and ann walker ...in his 80s..so many flocked lambeth work labourers...archive good photos etc..stink of bones used potteries near river wharfs..marshes ...disease...by river...all pottery and market garden produce to the crowds of london..famous doulton works of lambeth by river....now huge prices and priceless..handmade uniques and handpainted before transfer print and factory mass production moulds etc.... ... more >> Re: More Martinware news by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Dec-2009 keith you may like to look burslem pottery andrew hull site...sells martin like ware..sculpture wallace martin like birds he sells now....southall library open same day as norwood village green fete...tall red victorian building large carved stone lettering southall over door.opened mayor southall..says 800 pieces on show..RICKY said very good he lives there sees them...robert wallace martin the leader his designs sculpture quirky figures..1920s when one sold for more than £40 he was amazed....they started to get intersting to a few great friends and followers of martin.they bequethed their collections later on....wallace £40 and more for book and 100sthousands for pieces and museums..famous people never saw their true worth .shame..and no reply from cemetery dept....ealing....plot memorial stone.feel sure no stone as they were going bust 1923 not surviving when died...on google famous burials site photos etc..but martin brothers not on it ... more >> Re: More Martinware news by barry raymond (Member 10239180) on 22-Dec-2009 Know it's quite a way off but if you have a table at NG Fete next year could bring some of my archives along. Re: More Martinware news by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Dec-2009 just found bit more..robert wallace the leader and last to die 1923..struggling 8 yrs after his brother died when 1915 pottery closing..not till later became famous rare unique arts craft movement pieces.he said never 2 pieces made same..rob wall had been assistant working on sculpture of pugins houses parliament..fergies tv series of victorian pugin over top elabourate decor of new hse parliament ....martin 1879 showroom holborn..shop fulham extrememly bad fire ..1884 pliability wet clay squashed vase slumped he made photo google..inscribed from bible..and the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter so he made it again another vessel as seemed good to the potter to make it..plaque panel shows wheelboy..bench boy and potter at wood treddle potters table...my potter gt uncles son was called knocker all his life worked martin as knocker outer boy gets pottery out kiln tubs.knocks bottom out to get pottery out...off tentlow lane walk to work at canal bridge there martin havelock pottery.on site of very old disused soap works before 1850 ... more >> Re: More Martinware news by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Dec-2009 yes please barry...I have lots bits to bring...looking forward to it..good weather and easy out on green..refreshments extended plough garden there...hope you anita can come keith...josie and uncle coming....have you got old paste board fold table to put in back car barry..we have picnic rug anyway... we have offered to pick len up on way if wants....hope pauline can get back norwood green way lik e your birth present brother brought you....will take photos......dilys if can come...laurence from leatherhead it is just off your memories of meadow way..have sent xmas card to phillis scarb hutnell church warden her invite to us ... more >> Re: More Martinware news by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Dec-2009 victoria albert museum w london ..collection in ceramics room martinware..many pieces chess by martin..etc etc..free entry..near tube and bus goes along to harrods sale jan and xmas covered in xmas lights shape of building..albert memorial next stop on bus museum has a bequeth collection of martin...photos chess etc on google their site....v and a..lovely shop and coffee room and refresh terrace o utdoor centre court in good weather..next to sci museum and earth museum gems rocks and nat hist museum dinosoars etc evolution and giant whales etc ... more >> Re: More Martinware news by homer68 (Member 10244766) on 20-May-2010 WILLIAM WALTER WALLBANKS WAS MY GRANDFATHERS UNCLE Re: More Martinware news by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Jun-2010 that would be knocker to be uncle.....brother of knocker ,,,alf ,, joseph...will walt their father from burslem sloke trent first born to mum mary painter teenager pottery,,lodging when she had him ...later she married had more children ..age 19 went in army india came out houns barracks 1881 married sarah timb mary first born 1882 bapt hest church

horses	by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Dec-2009
the love of heston shire horse ...on site..horses trough along at church early on.........black beauty read across fields spikes bridge way home from dormers school hot july days...sewell wrote it in her 50s died age 57 norfolk.grave memorial house and museum there..broke her ankles in this ice that we have...as teenager 1850s..never healed invalid pain all life..love horses carriages she had to r ide..promoted animal welfare...film is extremely good..mother was childrens writer..anna signed 1st edition to her mother sold for 33000 pounds christies 2006...she only got 40 pounds for it when publishers took it only just saw success of it at beginning...biographical speaking of black beauty through life makes it unusual and good..still some horse riding along paths ruislip rd and harefield and feed their horses back of osterley....down windmill lane..sensitive animals with their own personality west ave had hay bag around horses neck feed...deliveries....london parades of beer shire horses brasses ribbons dray huge elabourate painted carts huge barrels beer.like fullers..youngs..costume of drivers.in brewers livery spectacular uniforms.smell of fullers was rich strong ... more >> Re: horses by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Dec-2009 dilys .keith.pauline..everybody sincere greetings.click through card http://www.jacquielawson.com/preview.asp?cont=1&hdn=0&pv=3111933

radio	by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 19-Dec-2009
southall buzzing with wireless...try get digital radio..channel 7 bbc everyday all the comedies..celebrities all yrs...today ken horne.died 1969..around horne xmas edition...peter brough etc..all the gt talent..lots laughs all gt script writers....everyday tune to 7 on the radio..hancock half hour..steptoe son..pantos..ken williams..nich parsons..june whitfield etc etc...comedy never dates.similar themes today Re: radio by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 19-Dec-2009 2 photos our flickr..chamb heston airport speech...and brickmaking early 20th cent.....growth southall from farms southall green..factories canal rail buses etc...but also our families brickies....norwood green famous and canal to build buck palace..and northhyde our families old north star pub and brickies cottages pulled down late 50s for aiport........how the row houses lay so far back off nort hhyde lane...huge long grass infront..makes me think they could not build on it ..industry toxic coal kilns clamps etc...soil there must be suspect hence golf course only allowed.ammunition napolionic wars barracks and storage convent way.one google says saw red flames burst through 1970...victorian farm ends with xmas table soon.bbc2..they did brickmaking...clamp huge amount coal.massive heat..bricks for labourers cottages.kiln gave less blackened for fine houses....by bridge old oak my aunt 1914 to 1927 said coal depot...soot massive 5 days in kiln fires....many 10000s of bricks ......women men lodgers worked my family dwelling there 1800s..gave southall some of its wealth money growth of industry....where theres muck theres brass.... southall brickfactory 1800s 1900s near josies uncle down southall.. ... more >>

lma archive..heston airport	by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 17-Dec-2009
barry ...lawrence.......and doug...and everybody....archive on google..just north of st pauls...letter today recd reply......their records of heston aerodrome.held..generally relate to purchase of land.not records flights planes hangers.......have survey of land to be purchased by airwork ltd.......and aquisition land for housing development by middx county council........ Re: lma archive..heston airport by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Dec-2009 lawrence...1957 references airwork services ltd for defence ..on google..1960 airwork hurn airport bounemouth and secretary name on google..could be leads info for you...airwork heston to gatwick... Re: lma archive..heston airport by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Dec-2009 lawrence google says for defence with raf and fleet air arm......1928 bought heston....great contibution engineers etc during war...your query into hangar at dusk late 1950s.....defence raf...perhaps still some use confidential matters..cold war period..heston convenient any important passenger for london....now northolt used many yrs VIPS......nato...raf....queens flight..ploice escorts...plenty. ..on london...flights...plane spotters many yrs...one chap got arrested about 10yrs ago..but released seemed genuine.....small aircraft...they log all flights in room there 12 people work around the clock ... more >> Re: lma archive..heston airport by barry raymond (Member 10239180) on 18-Dec-2009 Happy Christmas & peaceful New Year to one and all.Barry Re: lma archive..heston airport by lawrence hole (Member 10242696) on 29-Dec-2009 For anyone interested in Heston Airport history, there is a good website to view at Hayes and Harlington News. Just log in to view and there is a selection of reports, comments and pictures from a number of contributors, helping to keep it's importance still living. Re: lma archive..heston airport by lawrence hole (Member 10242696) on 29-Dec-2009 By the way Yvoinne, how does one view photo pictures in Flickr ? I must admit I've forgotten how to access it. Re: lma archive..heston airport by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Dec-2009 its quick easy..........www.flickr.com..........type that in left top...........says sign in at top right........so click that..........in ID put.........southallboard@yahoo.co.uk..........underneath password......put middlesex.........click words sign in.........up comes photos..........click all sizes large.......get full screen.........barry has put photo Re: lma archive..heston airport by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Dec-2009 did hayes harlington news..2 places there..lots several yrs on hayes site photos......today found good series photos early heathrow...and further on found very first phots postcards heathrow from dave humber 1947 plane G.. AGOP>>ZS>ATR...then 1958 observe place and cars with just open spaces of heathrow site...we know the photos of tents that started check in there,,BEA BOAC.....lawrence not found heston airport on there yet and your 3 ,4 items you mention...would like see that all..says fairey.and first plane vertical take off..says weston helicopters....last yr we were weston supermare and the special one only helicopter museum is good there....keith lots on hayessite..all buses history photos routes..aec.records etc locally ... more >> Re: lma archive..heston airport by lawrence hole (Member 10242696) on 1-Jan-2010 Yvonne/all. I think I may have misled you with an incorrect web site, the correct one is http://www.middx.net/hayes/framenews.htm, then type in Heston Airport in the search engine, top right. We now have quite a few new contributors for the forums,pictures, etc. Re: lma archive..heston airport by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Jan-2010 thanks lawrence will try that ..hap new yr..several good pieces on flickr now and more to come this week..let us know if you find .. see them all ok now... Re: lma archive..heston airport by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 3-May-2010 Does anyone remember the AA gun mount on gravel mound North Hyde end Heston airfield there in 50s Re: lma archive..heston airport by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-May-2010 members have spoken of gun used seacadets etc...on site comments by items on heston airport st marys barracks orphanage northhyde...gravel pits over back....there is lot on site written about it by members who lived nearby....1952 they pulled down orphan convent did you see it...what happened to the war memorial large stone names of orphan boys listed/disappeared 1952...forecourt barracks southall lane used by seacadets 1951..1960s aeradio office used chapel still standing as office...etc etc ... more >> Re: lma archive..heston airport by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 4-May-2010 Yvonne the gun mount in question was on the airfeild not the sea cadets at Cranford, cant remember orphanage or war memorial, I remember 2 large Vic/Geo houses on Southall Lane derelict in the 50s Re: lma archive..heston airport by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 4-May-2010 Denis - If you go back to the end of the first page, there is an entry under Photo comment board1st one ...zepler..St Mary orphanage etc. by Terence Patrick Hewett. It is a very long entry, but at the end he says "ack ack gun on mound next to the Convent, picking up dummy hand grenades, etc. Re: lma archive..heston airport by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 4-May-2010 Thanx Pauline missed that, practice granades made I.C.I between Spickes Bridge and Ruislip Rd WW11 also large fire G.P.O tyre dump 1950.

heston	by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-Dec-2009
.our...site says led zeppelin played northcote arms southall...local because..jimmy page guitarist of led born 9 jan 1944 heston...heston pk had ancient may day fair going back through history....library swim pool took part of the park....lampton pk down the rd a bit..had huge may day festivals events marquees pop music..free.....bootleg beatles was good.....searchers great....the leader searchers went my husbands school.springgrove grammer lampton hounslow ... more >>

clothes	by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Dec-2009
elton john of pinner many colourful clothes etc up for sale..audrey hepburn last week sold for many thousands pounds.....each summer the queens clothes and tours australia etc with emblems .yellow dress..went once buck palace and finishes gardens out back....was extremely good lots see.....so the history local clothes 50s 60 etc/and 30s40s what you all wore..my uncles photo with trilby hats,,aunts with nice dresses.nan with cross over pinny.beatles received there new booklet riverside place open winkle picker..later flares..bell bottom..drain pipe..empire line dresses..stiletoe heels.brylecream....ashracan collar..cloth cap..waistcoats..bolaro top..crocheted poncho.good display in v and a london..butlers burtons did the made measure suits and pkts white collars ... more >> Re: clothes by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Dec-2009 deep white cuffs and cufflinks..dickie bow...len goodman looks dapper.2 photos young dark hair,,ballroom and a comic dance..good luck semi tonight ballroom..nearly all his biog bk on google.costermonger barrow boy gdad.bethnal green .to dartford docks welder.then dance school..gravesend lives by thames.....19 damage foot football.dancing won champion.....3rd lady wife.one son who sing dance tour a nnie......loves golf and west ham team..nan cook beet in copper with gas under..washed len in it first then beet.customers said best beet..len said the scum...washed clothes in same copper....only child parents divorced 50s.len born 1944.scare prostate cancer last yr treated..cockney expressions.get on my wick..for petes sake..my cup of tea..rub salt in..last straw..weedle out of it..etcbring up kids like bake cake...hope got all ingredients right..only time will tell how it turns out..moorish...take mickey...fuddy duddies ... more >> Re: clothes by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-Dec-2009 9 episodes bbc2 mondays has been coal hse war 1940s..clothes etc all good..turban scarf clever made and tucked under..my aunt had it for light engineering factories and munitions war..wish me luck as you wave me goodbye on radio...school 1940s.. bbc tv 2....if have digital radio....everyday 12.30 bbc radio comedies..sunday clitheroe kid...tuesdays navy lark....round horn etc....channel 7 radio dai ly has been couple yrs now..... ... more >>

747 and shuttle	by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Dec-2009
tonys screensaver is shuttle piggy back on 747 plane cape canaveral..shuttle space station goes across sky this weekend 6 am.but in couple weeks it goes over evening again,,,saw it was good very bright..like flash star large glowing...moving quite clear across..east area

bbc accounts of people 1939 to 1945 on google	by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Dec-2009
ahford...keith armstrong long detailed interesting..has fly fortress..peter caines saw it land in field just outside heston airfield..painter friend painted it.says so many guns carried for self defence..locals came out with tea cakes said well done yanks. 2 others saw crash..a foreman at ba ..and member institute of mechanical engineers..says heston made fighter aircraft for r navy carriers one engine....etc etc.

convent	by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Dec-2009
DOUG...barrie...dilys..and all..just found last 2 days on 2nd page..busy xmas we dont look back pages......doug.......has said he walked kelven gns plane crash dust..dilys you wrote about it....barry...doug says he worked aeradio...1959 1969...worked in the chapel 1969 on left standing...had to get priest before allowed demolish it......tunnel from orphanage to cranford pk..lady grey ghost......be st wishes doug..my dad also born 1921 southall..thanks info any more please...ghost hauntings convent..1921 nuns there 1938 ish went to chigwell..1854 brothers of jesus there.st mary orphanage school convent..3 old chapels..war memorial doug.1952..in grounds north side ... more >> Re: convent by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Dec-2009 lawrence ..barry..and all.google 2 very gd photos heston airport 1938...airteam images lockhead...inside hanger ..an long wind track aerial view.....click display..click again on photo an such close up detail..60 entrants 5 july 29..hest airpark kings cup detailed photo ..1937 aeroclub cig cards speedway rides....photo chamberlain crowd wave paper 1938.account by worker malcol carlisle..external links at end wikipedia. ... more >> Re: convent by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Dec-2009 tunnel cranford pk..countess berkley escape..fear purjury over date of marriage..tony hancock ashes memorial in churchyard corner....photo roundhouse lockup overnight drunks cranford..went couple times cranford pk church stables....1920s my aunt the 6 of them played over the splash from the old oak pub dwelling they lived..watersplash lane still there..blue bell woods Re: convent by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Dec-2009 lawrence that flight mag on line..just says heston airport for race....arrive by 6pm put undercover for night..inspect and race next day...r denham of hest air secretary....may 1932 Re: convent by barry raymond (Member 10239180) on 10-Dec-2009 Yvonne;-Please expand on your comments re:the convent Chapel etc, who is Doug ?? does he recall the War Memorial, please let me know. Re: convent by Len Goddard (Member 10234853) on 10-Dec-2009 Barry his surname is Gizzy lived in Clifton Road I believe off Regina Road I think there was a School there Re: convent by barry raymond (Member 10239180) on 10-Dec-2009 Thanks Len;-would be really interested if he had any info on the War Memorial. Re: convent by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Dec-2009 barry he is on next page of site at end our convent list Re: convent by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Dec-2009 on our flickr photos.....2 good quality professional photos...magnify click and large size full screen.....heston inside hanger all..heston aerial airport hses etc....as you sais flickr comes up....then top right corner.....click sign in word....ID and password....sign in click.......and photos come up....sometimes have to click square face southall Re: convent by barry raymond (Member 10239180) on 10-Dec-2009 Hi Yvonne;-Hooray, at last just managed to get into the flickr site re:Heston Airport, realised what I was doing wrong, was putting in my own username instead of southallboard, feel a bit daft, must be my age. Smashing photos, see you managed to include the one I sent you, I must get you another copy without the names etc. for your relative as promised. Re: convent by barry raymond (Member 10239180) on 10-Dec-2009 Lawrence, correct me if I'm wrong but is the Dragon shown on the Flickr site a Rapide ? Re: convent by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Dec-2009 so pleased great..youre getting tired probably xmas..everybody busy..yes thanks your one..I put 2 today..... in hanger and curve of track aerial airport houses look in the other direction rows rows houses........hope people have some nice local photos to put on.....magnify click and full screen..only 1% of space used so plenty room for photos....fancy the chapel still standing 1969 office aeradio .then priest there to demolish.2 days ago doug on site... ... more >> Re: convent by barry raymond (Member 10239180) on 10-Dec-2009 Lawrence;-Have just been going through my books and come across one I forgot I had, don't know if you have got it. It is A4 paper about 34 pages entitled the history of Northolt Aerodrome third edition by Peter & Keith Hayward produced by the Chiltern Aviation Society with a Forword by G.C. J.A. Kent dated March 1979. Has good info and pictures including one of the Dak that crashed onto a house after take off in 1946 Re: convent by barry raymond (Member 10239180) on 10-Dec-2009 That should be Peter Norris and Keith Hayward Re: convent by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Dec-2009 that crash near northolt is probably the famous one down station approach s ruislip..local library does good display on it Re: convent by barry raymond (Member 10239180) on 10-Dec-2009 The caption under the picture reads;-Railway Air Services Dakota G-AGZA crashed on take off from Northolt on 19th December 1946. The aircraft came down after suffering icing trouble; on a house in Angus Avenue 1/2 mile ast of the airfield. The aircraft, bound for Glasgow only had 4 crew members and 1 passenger aboard;all survived. Re: convent by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Dec-2009 thanks..yes going east out across the houses...you probably remember the white van 8.30 am rush hr a40..small white jet went through northolt..fence onto a40..he was ok firemen cut him out bruises .1999 ish Re: convent by barry raymond (Member 10239180) on 11-Dec-2009 Hi Yvonne;- Yes remember the incident with the Lear Jet and white van, was this about the same place ? Re: convent by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Dec-2009 yes...you chaps with all your plane expertise..number 25b ec ckr..jet....13 aug 1996..lucky summer..just the van...luck that not more traffic....shock for poor man....gazette headline 50 yrs apart 1946 your house crashed and 1996 a40....compared to road accidents so very bad...thank goodness planes good.... Re: convent by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Dec-2009 still this week boards display nearby library..pilot nickname rooftops....photos articles...northolt crash..capt johnson..19 dec 1946..cold snow evening...crash settled across roof of two houses andus drive nearby...dc 3 dakota..huge close up photo gazette..huge plane,cockpit sitting on 2 roofs...gt singers.band .music and skill incredible dances especilly final bbc strictly dancing.licence fee wo rth it when gt entertainment ... more >> Re: convent by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Dec-2009 len likes joke..google says 46 angus drive now called dakota rest...the 4 passengers crew got out in loft went down loft ladder down stairs out front door..non worse for wear......google has neighbour looking out window 1946..saw all planes vikings dc3..dragonrapides.ansons.etc..1960 one anson landed on top of express dairy.huge depot nearby..now gone...no damage to this plane....raf team there no w record all flights etc in log books 24 hrs daily...saw security team..military with his security gun come forward to check plane spotter..who they felt suspicious of..IRA troubles and recent terrorist securities.let alone cold war spies yrs ago...remember spies man wife lived bungalow ruislip many yrs ... more >> Re: convent by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 2-May-2010 Hi Barry talk of Northolt brings back memory of 55/56 filming the THE ONE THAT GOTAWAY, Baron Franz Von Werra tried to steal a Hurricane to escape, if camera had zoomed across the stream that runs at back of the aerodrome it would have seen 2 boys in the bushes with a wow look on there faces IT A HURRICANE, the same aircaft is still alive and well today with the Battle of Briton Memorial Flight. A happy day for 2 young aircrat fans. ... more >> Re: convent by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-May-2010 this year massive change northolt airport...whole of old entrance gate.....gone..sweeping huge open area....new buildings.......lots pulled down........and 2 nd wide open entra nce further along..they say museum going to be there.......queens flight..helicopters airpost troops..all there now,,,,,,,,several air displays etc...