North Road
|
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 20-Nov-2012
|
I lived in North road from 1933-1951. I knew a number of boys who lived
in North Road, but have no idea where any of them got to.These include
Leonard Fuller,Richard Pannell Reggie Wiggins,
Raymomd Kitt, Kenneth Loader and his sister Joyce.Gerald Davidson-I heard from a relative that he died a few years ago.
Any news of them welcome
- Re: North Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Nov-2012
did put all the names in google
..incase they and families have a facebook....but could not get
anything......dylis is facebook.....are you old face southall...several
yrs now...they have some people of similar age........long yrs knowledge
people southall....if dylis puts the names on there.......tonight
bbc1.one show the famous jim..marshall .of southall green family...music
shop hanwell.....famous
amplifiers....guitar..etc...lifetime many yrs loads in google...neil
diamond just done royal variety..he says they are so famous usa as well
for the huge concerts stadiums etc.......jimmy hendrix
guitars....marshall... ... more >>
- Re: North Road
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 21-Nov-2012
There were quite a few Loaders in Greenford in the late 60s
- Re: North Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Nov-2012
at the short
page........here....in the page with the
list...under..s........southall..........says ...looking for loader
family...hanwell..........they have not put their name.......
- Re: North Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Nov-2012
remembering names.....in 2009.and
2010.......the hanwell site....cuckooites.....in google......they
say...kath...avis....archie..maggie..loader.........probably common
name..but southall families did move about.........
- Re: North Road
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 21-Nov-2012
.....also check spelling > > may have been LODER
- Re: North Road
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 23-Nov-2012
It was Loader to the best of my
memory-must check with the electoral role for North Road for 1946 which I
have here-somewhere! Mt Loader was an Engine Driver on the GWR. Some
more names-Robert Hurdwell( I had contact with him a few years back.)
Adrian Brooks, Peter("Monkey") Rabson, Ronald Body, Joyce Aubrey.
- Re: North Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Nov-2012
in google...............martin loader photography gwr steam.......................if it helps ...if his son
- Re: North Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Nov-2012
joce her surname would change at
marriage.........192 telephone in google....2003 southall..living.....
joseph c aubrey and wife olive........len used to have free 191 to click
get address because his son was policeman......................
- Re: North Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Nov-2012
in google..free site....genes
reunited ..if anybody doing the tree.........peter w g rabson...born
1930...london areas...........and uxbridge reg dist which was
southall.....born 1863 harold peter rabson........
- Re: North Road
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 24-Nov-2012
Yvonne-looks like the right Peter Rabson-rwo years younger than me!
- Re: North Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Nov-2012
great says born st
pancras.....lots of people moved into southall 1930s......on birth
records...reunited.....in google free site...may be somebody going
family tree of him.......gwr man think he could easily be your engine
driver son......lots nice steam photos he has in google........our dylis
boot taylor..on the other site....she has couple on their who were
engine drivers southall.their father or
such..........if dylis puts name on her facebook..site...........picha
za are you old face southall...site..........meant 192 telephone address
site..not 191..........in google.......best wishes mike...happy
christmas to you.....2 rare photos 1930s..new fish lily pond round
southall park..hedges and entrance arbour to rose garden...on our photo
boards......42 board to number 54....queen mum at heston church by
norwood green on a visit...nice photo.... ... more >>
- Re: North Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Nov-2012
mike.........julia hickley...is
doing family tree of peter.....could be her married name......genes
reunited membership number of her is.....1884387.........free site to
view her name.....view records..peter 1930 birth st pancras
london.......unusual surname,,,,,not many about,,,,north rd school had
reunions....may have record of him.......lots good wishes to you
- Re: North Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Nov-2012
mike.........julia hickley...is
doing family tree of peter.....could be her married name......genes
reunited membership number of her is.....1884387.........free site to
view her name.....view records..peter 1930 birth st pancras
london.......unusual surname,,,,,not many about,,,,north rd school had
reunions....may have record of him.......lots good wishes to you
- Re: North Road
by Janice Johnson (Member 10240407) on 25-Nov-2012
MICHAEL - I see that you
mentioned having had contact with Robert Hurdwell some while back.
Robert is my cousin, still alive and kicking but very busy caring for
his wife who isn't very well these days. Robert's parents used to own
the grocer's shop in North Road. They sold up and retired sometime in
the 1950s - both died in late '97/ early '98. You might also remember
younger sister Anne who has lived in the USA for many years. ... more >>
- Re: North Road
by Chris (Member 10220786) on 25-Nov-2012
JANICE.......your Aunt &
Uncles grocers was next door to my parents Shoe Repair shop. I remember
the Hurdwells. My parents closed the shop in 1973 to move near me and
my sister. Mum passed away this year, in June, aged 98 years. An
amazing lady. Chris x
- Re: North Road
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 25-Nov-2012
I was so sorry to hear that your
dear mum had passed away Chris. What a wonderful age to live to. You say
she was a wonderful lady, and she had a wonderful family looking after
her.
- Re: North Road
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 25-Nov-2012
Janice, I remember the Hurdwell shop very well.Pre-war my dad said that Mr H did the best ham in Southall!
Chris, I used to take shoes fot repait to your parents shop.
Wonderful memories !
- Re: North Road
by Chris (Member 10220786) on 25-Nov-2012
Yes Mike, happy memories. As you
know my Mum, Dad and Grandad ran RMT shoe repair shop for 40 years. I
just wish I had more photos of the inside and outside of the shop. I
can see it all in my minds eye but I'd love to have photos to show my
children & grandchildren. One day I will take my grand-children
down the alleys of Grove Terrace, where I was born .......another world
to what they are used to! Chris x x x
- Re: North Road
by Chris (Member 10220786) on 25-Nov-2012
Pauline, yes Mum lived to a
wonderful age. We really miss her. I think you once mentioned that you
remember her knitting the chain mail suits for the films during the
1950's. She always loved to knit. In fact she was knitting right up
until the day before she passed away. Chris xx
- Re: North Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Nov-2012
very best wishes..chris...lovely
to hear of her knitting...bet the new babies everything such wonderful
things they always knitted....my crowd at west ave...sideboard full
needles..wool from broadway...scans..cheaper...I had to stand 2 hands
while they bound great neat balls wool...raglan sleeves...all had
cardie...kids school cardigans..my aunt knitted all her life west ave
north ave southall..and
her daughter did too still does today....lovely pearl buttons etc..I
would help..sew the bands on cardies for the button holes....my other
aunt did the scottish fairlisle..complicated ones for her boy at
southall tech...so lucky the cottages there and alley..yr 1800s listed
like grove hse..sp think conservation..which is so good..to see some of
local areas..conserved to know previous generations.life .who helped
build the place up and their families.much affection from us all to you
and your dear mum....dolls clothes etc they knitted as well....all size
needles and gloves etc...complicated patterns..twists lace etc... ... more >>
- Re: North Road
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 25-Nov-2012
Yes Chris,I certainly remember
you telling us all that your mum made chain mail for Alan Ladd the film
star. My friend Mauvine and I absolutely drooled over him when we were
teenagers. We thought he was the bees knees. It wasn't until I got older
that I realised how short he was! Happy days at the pictures, as we
used to call them!
- Re: North Road
by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 25-Nov-2012
Yes Pauline and I'm still happy to call them 'the pictures'. The movies just doesn't cut it for me.
- Re: North Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Nov-2012
it was always saturday
morning.....pictures.....as well......dear actress passed away
yesterday.....age 92...dinah sheridan,,,northwood
middlesex....................of geneveive..vintage car run 1953 london
to brighton.....photos our board in southall high st up by greenford
ave..butlers town hall traffic lights......their car stopped child
dropped ice cream..dinah in splendid hat costume..open car..........dinah
in 1970 railway children..said,the best ever british film made....reall
art form.by jeffries..clever staging......splendid piece of work and
script actors...dinahs daughter jenny hanley of tommy....jenny she was
tv magpie childrens programme.........rank films dinah started with...up
by ealing rd.gt west rd by beechams...rank films huge corner area by
lucozade building..flashing bottle.......brentford near the back of
gunnesbury pk... ... more >>
- Re: North Road
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 26-Nov-2012
Yes, Dinah Sheridan was right, it
was the best British film ever made. I've watched it countless times,
and never tire of it. She was magnificent as the mother, as was Jenny
Agutter as the eldest daughter. They were all such good actors and
actresses. I also loved Bernard Cribbins as the railway porter. It was
quite a tear jerker as well.
- Re: North Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Nov-2012
each actor had prize part
excellent cameo.pieces..lost count times have watched it...feel good
factor....great at waterloo station last couple yrs acted on the old
rail line there....steam train..great jokes..perks birthday old cottage
his wife kids..gifts....the school runners under the rail bridge..buns
for tea..if sold a story...1950s southall the bakers had more expensive
cakes etc in the window...but
was a real treat if we got a cheaper..bun of some kind......keep making
the good acting scripts of british films please...high standard..good
works please..holds attention..stirs the feelings.drift off into good
acting......the pictures....... ... more >>
- Re: North Road
by Phyl Hutnell (Member 10234816) on 26-Nov-2012
Chris, so sorry to hear you lost
your beloved Mum. I also mentioned to you some time ago about
remembering your Mum knitting "chain mail" for films. And talking about
films, Friday nights were regular picture nights for my Mum, Dad and me.
My Dad was a real film fan, and I've been told that he named me after
his favourite film star, Phyllis Calvert. Sadly I've always hated the
name, and am never called Phyllis, but always Phyl! ... more >>
- Re: North Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Nov-2012
calvert was lovely
actress....influence of cinema was amazing though..lots named after film
stars etc......queue around the side cinema heyday..friday saturday
nights......30s 40s..gdad and most were of victorian times rural north
hyde folk..his mum dad..so when explosion..glam hollywood his
daughters..lipstick..or seams up back stiletoe heel shoes....necklace
earrings.....he never accepted it...out
down alley they would put lippy or max factor powder cake compact.puff
dab.....cinema stars hairstyles...we did hop scotch 50s..to film star
names marilyn munroe etc..ha...tass of clark gable..etc...ealing studios
etc..gainsborough..calvert and actresses were lovely..tv...repeated it
all for generations...let alone wonderful voices of wireless..talented
brits... ... more >>
- Re: North Road
by Janice Johnson (Member 10240407) on 26-Nov-2012
CHRIS
- Re: North Road
by Janice Johnson (Member 10240407) on 26-Nov-2012
CHRIS
- Re: North Road
by Janice Johnson (Member 10240407) on 26-Nov-2012
CHRIS - Condolences on the loss of your mum. It's very hard to lose a mum and it's no easier however old they become.
- Re: North Road
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 26-Nov-2012
Chris, your entry brought back
many nemories of Grove Terrace. Leslie Nelhams was a great friend of
mine-in recent years I made contact with his daughter on the
FriendsReunited that was, before it was ruined.Other names include
Bertie Harper, Kenneth Francis, George Barr
- Re: North Road
by Chris (Member 10220786) on 26-Nov-2012
MIKE.......I remember Leslie a
very smart well spoken gentleman. Did he serve in the RAF? I also
remember Ken Francis & Bert Harper but I don't remember a George
Barr - must have been before my time. Ken had younger brothers Donald
& Eddie. Bert had a sister Lilly & a younger brother Jim. I
seem to recall MR HARPER was a road sweeper. Mr Francis and his wife
had very strong Welsh accents. Everyone knew everyone in Grove Terrace. Back doors always left unlocked. No fear of burglars/intruders. Happy days! Chris x ... more >>
- Re: North Road
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 27-Nov-2012
CHRIS: Leslie Nelhams was in the RAF, as indeed I was 1946-1948.Iremember all the people you recall.
The Barr family may well have moved on-George Barr, and a
boy-Freddie Miller from North Road were caught trying to break into a
house in Lady Margaret Road, and went to Borstal!
- Re: North Road
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 29-Nov-2012
Some of the Genivieve film was actually filmed between Uxbridge & W Drayton.
Put > 14T12 Genevieve Weymann < into google and there is a good film still of car passing a 223 bus there
- Re: North Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Nov-2012
thanks will have a look.....still
photo of them in windsor st uxbridge the 1952 old well known green
front hardware shop there...photo on our boards....in the vintage
car...ken more dinah....and the scene..zebra crossing southall broadway
just before the lights..by greenford ave..2 children icecream
drop..stops the vintage car...photos on our board......good
film...watched lots times..so many of them
are social history ..snap shots of local places....great music...gt
professionals comedy...stylish......and carry on consatable stills on
our photo board ken williams..running by rowses....and outside hanwell
library etc..dr who at ealing broadway..50s60s.photos our boards...and
pubs burnham beeches still photos there of genevieve..staines
reservoir..along.. ... more >>
- Re: North Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Nov-2012
good photos of the buses...1952
with john gregson .vintage car..kay kendal....tram lines..semi
derelict..tarmac...the iron rails dug up for scrap metal...the crossover
of the conduit tram track...the gas lantern.long bracket
streets.....southall.geneveive yellow vintage car ken more.with town
hall left north side.traffic lights..and the oh so busy busstop right
south side..along from butlers area...memories
dark..getting off from school..or busy west ealing shops queue busstop 4
pm after shopping and dark..getting off at the main bus stop...that
butlers one....temporary traffic lights 1952 black white stripe..workman
hut.some tram lines being dug up.tarmac..yiewsley west drayton canal
bridge rd..other good film photos on our boards good life richard briers
filmed at northwood house middx..but tom chasing the cockeril lenin..on
the pole platform..sitting upstairs..cockeril lenin no fool he got the
bus to kingston .ha....tom payed bus fare to conductor..went to osterley
hse autumn gt exhibition inside loads filming..deb kerr cary grant
mitcham..my photo on our board them having tea break there...etc etc// ... more >>
- Re: North Road
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 30-Nov-2012
Burnham Beeches, the owl cafe
swimming pool, fun fair & the refreshment stall in the
dell all gone now a housing estate so im told
- Re: North Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Nov-2012
nice in google..on burnham
beeches....we went once....beeches cafe now called car pk..kids play
area..etc.....pubs......genevieve photos 1952..vintage car at..beeches
pubs seen..pub gardens.lovely photos.....oak etc..trees.pond
lake.......beaconsfield to slough area........clivedon view over
thames....road down to maidenhead famous arch bridge thames is
nice....boulters lock thames boat trips....cookham famous stanley spencer nice paintings.gallery museum there.. ... more >>
- Re: North Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Dec-2012
ITS BACK>...sunday emails dont
think staff there ..but monday they rectified.SITE BACK........week
news..northolt airport....war pilot..medals etc up or sale several
thousand pounds......famously.he dropped french tricolor.flag over arc
triumph..down champs elysee ..kids french waved..germans taken by
surprise....he returned to northolt...french crow.... of low fly caught
in..his..under plane....got
it out northolt has it as...kept there..............huge size models
spit and hurrican there and memorial..carved stones....huge open spaces
now large new building....nato...services post office and queens
flight..helicopters..etc..... ... more >>
- Re: North Road
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 3-Dec-2012
Yes, Southall Knowhere off the
radar all day Sunday, but I'm afraid I was still on a high after
watching England score 38-21 against the New Zealand "All Blacks" at
Twickenham on Saturday. Absolutely unbelievable!
- Re: North Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Dec-2012
kate pregnant,...so boy or girl
now ....future becomes sovereign monarch..1955 kates mum born perivale
maternity hospital demolished 1980s...they goldsmiths of dudley rd
southall green....congratulations...
- Re: North Road
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 4-Dec-2012
Just been announced that the Dandy comic is being stopped.
- Re: North Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Dec-2012
yes was good on the bbc one
show..the artist worked ffor glasgow thomson...the war yrs hitler..in it
..desperate dan..cowboy films influence..on line digital...kids not
buying now...the big chin stubble....the cat....artist died at his
drawing..easle...was great artist as child went to art school...
- Re: North Road
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 4-Dec-2012
Shame about Dandy- when it came out I got a copy-pity I didn't keep it!
- Re: North Road
by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 4-Dec-2012
And I suppose The Beano will go
that way as well. My Granny used to always have them on the lunch table
at Norwood Rd on the day they came out, waiting for me to enjoy.
I think the Dandy came out Mondays & Beano Thursdays. I don't know
about the UK but here in Aust most publications have an online presence,
which for some publications will end up as the only way to access them.
I don't think Dandy or Beano would be the sort of thing one would put online.
You can't beat the feeling of turning the pages and besides which if you
get Rabbit Stew spilt on your comic it's not a disaster but do the same
on an Ipad and you have got problems. ... more >>
- Re: North Road
by Phyl Hutnell (Member 10234816) on 5-Dec-2012
We tried to get the last ever copy of the Dandy yesterday and today. No luck, all sold out.
- Re: North Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 5-Dec-2012
bbc google.......says 1st edition
reprinted in the final..dandy........quick contact to the publishers
thompson ..dundee....might get you one.......they flew off
shelves.......1st edition.s.....free gift cover........they say..gift
.and .comics..fetch huge value....65 yrs ..75yrs..marvellous long
runs...
- Re: North Road
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 6-Dec-2012
Publishers of Dandy & Beano were DCThompson of Dundee, not Glasgow. Old Dundee family business.
- Re: North Road
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 6-Dec-2012
Before the arrival of The Dandy, I used to get two comics-Film Fun and Comic Cuts.
- Re: North Road
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 6-Dec-2012
I got the first issues oh Knock Out,Dandy , and Beano from Amsdens Newsagents in North Road
- Re: North Road
by Chris (Member 10220786) on 7-Dec-2012
Amsdom & Popes gone now
Michael.....a block of flats there now. Strangely the yard at the back
of A&P's remains the same. An ancient wall still stands between
the yard & the waste land down the alley which runs alongside the
backs of the first few houses in Shrubbery Road. The yard at the back of
A&P's is where the horses used to stand in wait to be shoed the
Smithy we used to watch as children. Chris xx
- Re: North Road
by terence patrick hewett (Member 10243212) on 7-Dec-2012
I have just been online and found out that my 1940 Rupert book is worth £495: just to think my Mum paid 4/6p for it.
- Re: North Road
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 7-Dec-2012
Chris: the Amsdons had a daughter-Norma-who was a few years younger than me.
- Re: North Road
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Dec-2012
yes high value so many
items.....did not think to save for..sale..free gift on the cover on 1st
edition also value...new Site...in
google...SPELT....BOMBSIGHT.ORG.......lcc bomb.damage.map..sept 1940
etc..war..kate jones.staff..did..lots ...on our photos...uxbridge
hillingdon .hayes.....just north of north rd southall at ruislip
rd.....by greenford grammar....so many....target factories..airports..etc...heston
northhyde cranford lane...across norwood green.....homes photos
of..destruction....churches.....ruislip.photo of its gas decontamination
tower..war...,pubs photos .like load hay bombed greenford..but photos
demolished red lion..there also nov 2012 ... more >>
|
|
A few months ago......................
|
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 6-Nov-2012
|
The notes contained what would have seemed mysterious references to
cypher machines at Eastcote and a man called Sir Edward Travis.
A few months ago...................... on a thread here that I cannot
find now, some secret locations were mentioned, especially around the
Greenford - Eascote area. . Just now this news item has appeared on a
BBC news website, and here is a small extract from that. It seems we were right about Eastcote, but could never have known quite how important it was.........
> > > >
Eastcote, in Middlesex, was where Bletchley Park's code-breaking
operations were moved to after World War II, and was the first home of
GCHQ. Sir Edward Travis was its director.
Eagle-eyed barmaid
Just how secret all this was supposed to be is made clear in a stern memo written by Sir Edward at the end of the war:
... more >>
- Re: A few months ago......................
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 6-Nov-2012
Here is a larger extract from the article on a current BBCnews page......... > > >
Mike Thomson reveals how one of the country's greatest post-war secrets
was almost blown decades before the government chose to reveal it.
The government's secret listening and decrypting station, GCHQ, is now
well-known, but for decades its very existence was officially denied.
Yet that secret was almost blown wide open back in 1951, when a notebook
containing highly classified information was left on the floor of Ye
Olde Bell, a busy Fleet Street pub.
The notes contained what would have seemed mysterious references to
cypher machines at Eastcote and a man called Sir Edward Travis.
Eastcote, in Middlesex, was where Bletchley Park's code-breaking
operations were moved to after World War II, and was the first home of
GCHQ. Sir Edward Travis was its director.
Eagle-eyed barmaid
Just how secret all this was supposed to be is made clear in a stern memo written by Sir Edward at the end of the war:
"While we were fighting Germany it was vital that the enemy should never
know of our activities here... At some future time we may be called
upon again to use the same methods.
It is therefore as vital as ever not to relax from the high standard of
security that we have hitherto maintained. The temptation not to "own
up" to our friends and families as to what our work has been is a very
real and natural one. It must be resisted absolutely."
Continue reading the main story
Find out more
Listen to GCHQ: Keeping the Last Great Secret on BBC Radio 4 on Monday 5 November 2012 at 20:00 GMT.
Or catch up later via BBC iPlayer
But just six years after that warning, in June 1951, the head of
physical security at the Foreign Office, an ex-police detective called
Arthur Askew, gave a series of interviews to a journalist from the
Sunday Express in which he made the extraordinary revelations about the
secret organisation.
And it was that journalist, Eric Tullett, who left his notes in a briefcase on the floor of Ye Olde Bell.
Had it not been for the eagle eye and public-spirited instincts of the
barmaid, Marie Cockburn, and her publican boss, those notes, revealing
the secret of GCHQ, might easily have fallen into the wrong - possibly
Soviet - hands
... more >>
- Re: A few months ago......................
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Nov-2012
yes it is in google...bbc radio4
yesterday....1951 they found booklet i old bell pub fleet st...to say
eastcote...secret nearly blown open........nice quiet eastcote
middlesex...little high st tube station.....use possibly the old manor
house in high walled gardens...at west end..of high st....thick high
trees old lanes..there.....layed..derelict many yrs.......last couple
yrs with heritage ..lottery
money..etc.....they are very proud gazette opening ceremony etc....all
refurbished...open to public and gardens........ruislip across the
medieval...oak.. woods from eastcote..had war raf headquarters..battle
britain hse raf.called it..ruislip northolt airport..used it
often..crests all around the walls...... ... more >>
- Re: A few months ago......................
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Nov-2012
lots in...raf eastcote...in
google.......base used..100 bombe enigma machines by 800 wrens.and 100
raf technicians...outstation lime grove eastcote field end rd...easterly
direction down onto south ruislip......area of usa airforce..many yrs
hospital...etc..they used ruislip lido for leisure.....so good at
bletchley last year whole day picnic in grounds..whole detailed tour
talks...fantastic..so interesting..colossus..2
men showing us...of their whole careers there....film photos etc of
them and it all in google.......tony ist started computers
npl..teddington..where wallis..1st tried...bounce in tanks..there....for
dambusters.....small computer section after grammar school and college
1967....huge high machines then midland bank....whole room..photo we
have of ...heavy tall..computers.....now...servers switch room..in many
places.....smaller..network...technology...but still hard work......for
staff to keep....instant..fast...demands of computer
users....ha.....love the collection of enigma machines.german italian
brits...in bletchley...and james bond hut..spies so much there..etc etc e
tc..they are just opening another hut.........ruislip bungalow spies
...cold war... ... more >>
- Re: A few months ago......................
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Nov-2012
PAULINE.......just thought you
might like to know..cameras at greenford holy cross oldfield lane
week.of rehearsals choir..candlelight..lookig amazing.....songs of
praise....saturday.t v cameras rehearse..evening..aled jones
arrived...filming...1st part on tv..dec9th...next part next sept.....so
often filming around there..quiet place....bbc tv..new tricks...several
times..and other shows..also...photos
on our board......I walked through eastcote raf..base of cyphers..yr
2000 short cut through warrender pk there....but all houses now..photos
in google huts of .workers.1951..very tall high fence with spikes
top......booklet of journalist on floor pub found...and secret..lbarmaid
found......but security as soon as money grew after the poor
50s....later money for huge concrete..high security....tonys midland
bank hsbc..went from basement computers.brent by M1 by brent cross shop
centre....to sheffield city offices...huge concrete bunker etc for
computers barnsley...but old 1st computers valves etc at bletchley were
gt.last yr with original men..telling us all.....hour talk...hour tour
and few hrs yourself see huts displays and grounds ducks picnic...war
carrier pigeons..models trains miniature rail collection..1940
cinema.churchill collection 1940..1940 post office..and 2 floors of
enigma etc... ... more >>
- Re: A few months ago......................
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 7-Nov-2012
Thanks Yvonne. I will try to keep
an eye open for the choir on 9th December on TV. I used to be in our
W.I. choir many years ago, and we took it around to the local hospitals
and Pensioners' clubs. We also performed shows, including the Can Can. I
always remember one old man telling us when we had finished one evening
"I've seen worst rubbish on television." We never knew whether it was a
compliment or not!
- Re: A few months ago......................
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Nov-2012
can can was local.dance
group..last time we went to ravenoer pk carnival fete...was fantastic
can can on grass gt dresses....we will watch songs praise...wonderful
church greenford yr1200..war yrs they built extension church.for extra
room....very beautiful lots photos in google and the building work....my
family tree started there 1780 baptism timberlake james,,,then went
many sons farm workers.spread
to botwell..also brickfields then to cranford lane northhyde....ha.the
cogragation.said no time to take photos..usually greenford very good at
snaps...but all day saturday hymns.repeat with choir..get up sit
down..ha....rehearsals...aled arrived evening candlelight for
final.film.....worked over 5 yrs for bbc...seeing is believing..30 min
show and all day...tedious..lighting sound..camera angles...but what
excellence...we.take for granted...lovely camera work and professional
tv..beauty.....such quiet bit of old greenford village there..often tv
filming there...new tricks etc etc..with railway tavern community centre
opposite used and 1770 famous betham school there.....used to walk it
many a time.....the xmas board has gone up at greenford bridge hotel
there....many yrs huge numbers .to say countdown to xmas..... ... more >>
- Re: A few months ago......................
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Nov-2012
iplayer eastcote cyphers..bbc
radio 4 ..3 parts is good..last episode next monday night.....loads good
info ..photos in google....hut 3...tall high fence gate spikes on
top..1951..journalist notes found retired staff member
chatted.........but women bletchley....kept mouths shut from family
etc..nearly all their lives..security...1952
1954....cheltenham....around yr 2000..houses built eastcote......old
derelict raf and cyphers huts went...I walked by there...short cut
through warrender pk..park not allowed to build on part of medieval oak
woods of ruislip lido..huge areas....eastcote gave them nearer to
whitehall 1943 and yrs.....tube train there....burgess spy.........but
famous spies in bungalow..east side of west end rd.ruislip.gardens
along....going towards ruislip high st....wireless ...all found in
bungalow...russia... ... more >>
- Re: A few months ago......................
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Nov-2012
keith ...think found google..item
like your docks...diagram map...like you spoke of......1930
1938.....very good...will put on our photo boards.......lyons
dock....yeading new west end brick dock....clayton odell
dock...willowtree hewitt dock....durdans dock...as 1950 photo that zeta
took....looking up...docks..getting filled in.....yeading marina and
huge nature pond now....taylor woodrow marina.flats
now.....southall brick works newell hamborough dock...southall chemical
wks houlders dock........gas dock..railway sleepers dock...ticklers
stroud dock......mitre ..kearley tongs dock..bulls bridge of my family
tree ..there...........northhyde...passmore farming..dock......and the
wentworth rd old oak bridge western rd bridge area.....they
call...hanwell military depot loop.......of old private canal
spur...gunpowder barracks and then orphanage farm
etc..famous.mounds...area...turning hole ..stop lock. ... more >>
- Re: A few months ago......................
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Nov-2012
bill...photos on our
boards.....1910 4 kids outside....canalside...cottages......north side
bulls bridge rd at tow path....front doors cottages onto canal
path...looking east to white western rd junction pub bridge........often
spoke of spikes bridge walking over...on west side..seing 1950s..
long.....planks wood piled high under open sheds..1950s....barges
tarpauling..high stack long planks wood.........photo
now for 1st time...davies timber..........6 sheds wharfs ..going up to
hayes bridge.............also saw similar..taylor woodrow end by ruislip
rd bridge canal.........3 bridges new one yrs ago 2 barges going
under..waterways compnay..and truck on bridge road.rail...1962 freeze
ice ..asylum..hanwell locks photo...1954 pet clark gladstone rd southall
film studio.film gay dog wilf pickles.meg jenkins.photo ... more >>
- Re: A few months ago......................
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 7-Nov-2012
The wharf for unloading timber
at Taylor woodrows is still there with rails & turntables
still on the towpath but covered in thick undergrowth
another place we played as kids
- Re: A few months ago......................
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Nov-2012
greenford church ..in google has
photos of the day..anybody allowed see them use them...gazette.says 9
dec and 24 .march 2012..bbc tv showing..vicar is of over 30yrs
there.....several choirs from around there at greenford saturday..for
december candlelight......people asked for war local memories...as
items..for it...church started new build extend space.from little yr1200
church..in 1939 but war so
1945..finished and huge opening ceremony...photos board54 also...river
brent at canal..bottom lock hanwell......map of canal docks....out to
uxbridge slough....etc...call up form 1939...etc.1947 crash plane
sitting on hse ruislip took off from northolt..1947 rail workers.huge
hostel southall station...1000 size bomb found southall lane by western
rd bridge 1964 photo.... ... more >>
- Re: A few months ago......................
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Nov-2012
yes ...walking to ruislip rd at
tow path....saw...lots bare ground grass..to west side...thick
growth..men fishing...then..onto new modern marina basin...and new
complex..marina flats...tall office block at west on bridge intself
finished sept2012.....the new photo of 6 huge sheds long planks barges
is amazing board54...and aerial..of 3 bridges..clever camera
shot..activity there......at curve bridge
to durdans..willowtree..we.took photos..of....edge canal west
side...foundation areas...of..old wharfs etc......visable....after so
many yrs...1800s canal..busy industry......the 1938...diagram..is good
in google....of whole canal..and spurs docks...loop.......all names
named ....industry along......in google......save as it .clicks to your
own ..flickr photos denis......best wishes... ... more >>
- Re: A few months ago......................
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Nov-2012
holy cross site...think it might
be 16 dec for festive shown..and 23 march other part showing 2013 for
palm sunday..but will check rtimes....board40 has uxbridge timber
wharfs...very high big like hayes bridge along to spikes...ones......we
were asked for wentworth rd filled in docks...more .amaze pictures..on
photo board 40 flickr..in google...
http://www.my-ivefamily.me.uk/southall830/page4.html
.....is mr meads amaze account of 1794 opening of canal southall..loads
there....1801 paddington branch....mounds..generations played
on...and.building.edge canal..and.1930 photo..residents there..at gate
of rec...board54.. ... more >>
- Re: A few months ago......................
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Nov-2012
mike............think YOU
mentioned benares ship evacuee children to canada.....bbc tv..very
sincere programme daily 9.15......has peope of afgan
services.today.......but 3 children and their mum on benares
1940.....many were lost with german torpedo 4 days out to
sea...but...these escaped raft..long time saved..the children grown up
today spoke very well...etc etc
- Re: A few months ago......................
by Zeta Stanley (Member 10256988) on 8-Nov-2012
Thanks Yvonne for the pictures I
was very interested in the photo of Davies Timber Yard, I never realised
how big it was, I remember they had a fire there must have been
terrifying for the people living around there, the houses were very
close to the yard. My Mother used to have lodgers who worked there,
through the war, Irish chaps mostly and one who worked in the office by
the name of Harry Mace,
in fact it was his mother who I went to stay with in Hereford in the
early days of the war as a refugee, but I only lasted 10 weeks, my
mother bought me back home, was I pleased, yes..... ... more >>
- Re: A few months ago......................
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Nov-2012
yes in the photo you can see how
close the houses are behind...so berwick ashford..going to
delemere..brookside..off hayes bridge border of southall......photo snow
of holy cross greenford..tv programme hymns..memories of wartime
greenford...the people said you will hear their teeth chatter......the
heating noisy..so sound man switched it off ..long day rehearsals they
were cold...all day singing..sitting up down etc..best wishes zeta..thanks.. ... more >>
- Re: A few months ago......................
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Nov-2012
northolt raf...up from..lady marg
rd..to yeading lane..west end rd....their raf band.as often.lord mayor
show today.london.they play all over world..queens colour..there...going
past 10 am..can here practice out on parade ground....over the
yrs...board47 new photos...and diagrams..southall canal
etc...docks..names firms.etc..1938...and all canal areas......all
general photos also...sunday rememberance
day.....greenford british legion gather...30 yrs ago songs praise also
at greenford parish church...wonder if any kids then.....see dec 9th
2012 bbctv there again .choirs from all around...photos says on church
site... ... more >>
- Re: A few months ago......................
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 10-Nov-2012
Thanks Lady Margaret Road seems to have had its share of fame this year
- Re: A few months ago......................
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 10-Nov-2012
I've just had a look through
Southallboard 47. I only intended having a look at the View Sideshow of
one photo which enlarges them full size, and ended up going through the
lot. It was wonderful to see scenes in Greenford, Langley, Hanwell, etc.
which were like stepping back into the past for me! I could have wept
when I saw Langley High street just along from Raymond road where we
lived for all those years. The photo was taken in 1955, just a year before we moved into our first house, before we had started a family.
Greenford also was wonderful. I didn't realise how easy it was to look at all the photos straight off. ... more >>
- Re: A few months ago......................
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Nov-2012
yes good idea pauline...and if
you are on enlarged photo can just click the next one and it goes
along.....I had forgotten such good ones in past boards..rare to get
photos decades past so special to keep them nicely...yes denis.raf band
was good at lord mayor show...good every year....time team..tv this
weekend have unearthed large tunnels deep by our coal miner boys
sapers.1st war by ypres..and they
dug under the german line..lloyd george heard explosions..along in
london..but russian front came so pushed the brits
back..1917/1918..snow..water pump found.etc etc. ... more >>
- Re: A few months ago......................
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Nov-2012
if war 1 dead...marched past
london cenotaph today 4 abreast would take them 3 and half
days......free ancestry in google till 12th...pension service medal
card.ist war.military just found grandad,,middx regiment from..3 kids
left at the common southall.by oak pub...5mths training just by gt
yarmouth gorleston on sea..where my aunt.myself..3 times been on beach
holiday..palin on digital tv ..last hours
of war..signed by paris train there as museum.but still those killed
afterwards...southall northhyde of ours 4 brothers..france.he died after
4yrs.at end month of war.1918.biggin hill been on.tv.spits
over.cliffs..and kent memorial..battle britain so many lost at sea..air
sea rescue started..sunny..usual large crowd greenford memorial shops
salvation army british legion.church service..red
lion..pub..demolished...boards....flats shops to go there big
corner...was high rates council tax land..not viable..brewery sold
it...august 2012........inn there couple hundred yrs..landmark... ... more >>
- Re: A few months ago......................
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-Nov-2012
WELCOME BACK..24HRS all knowhere
sites off...sent several emails to let them know.......90ys of bbc radio
today...started with music..churchill etc.etc...exhibition 1st
transmiter..at science museum kensington west london..broadcasting hse
by oxford circus.1966 was great.. reference library 1st floor left side
..enjoyed...........photos board54 and 47..salvation army band 11 nov
annual crowd greenford....rubble
red lion..now boarded...said new building flats shops large
corner...brewery sold too expensive ground rates tax .not viable... ... more >>
- Re: A few months ago......................
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-Nov-2012
pauline jean.......lovely book in
google..read through the pages.whole book.....the langley
boy......charles tyrie...40s50s 60s...starts lovely map
diagram...langley.church redlion....gwr station.ladybird factory.north
star pub..kitchen..cooking apples..dandy beano...slough grammar.....3
weeks of emi site in gazette....1973 emi left £250 million
project..develop whole site .....and crossrail.......this
week gazette of bbcradio 4 eastcote cyphers.codes...limegrove eastcote
rd..with tube station 15 mins walk north from ruislip high st..by
warrender pk..medieval oaks of lido.ancient woods....800 wrens decode
bombes..noisy smelly hot airless stressful old huts...kept their secret
till late 1970s when started to come out...ruislip local history society
book and talks most town s ..have societies since 1920s...housing there
now calls names of code breaking...mr oates librarian borough ealing
new book...FAMOUSjohn christie life crime locally.....palace cinema
southall and arrested southall pk..etc etc... ... more >>
- Re: A few months ago......................
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 14-Nov-2012
Thank you Yvonne for "The Langley
Boy" A Trilogy Charles Tyrie, Google Books. I started reading it, and
of course recognized lots of places he mentioned although he was in
Langley during the war. Hawker's Aerodrome was just behind the
semi-detached houses in Raymond road, and I remember in the 1950's
looking out of my back bedroom window and seeing loads of sheep. You
could hear the ringing of the
bells they obviously wore. I remember that although the Aerodrome was
no longer in use when we lived there in he 1950's, a plane actually
landed there by mistake. We were all sad when houses were eventually
built on it, especially my friend who had them all at the back of her
garden! ... more >>
- Re: A few months ago......................
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Nov-2012
yes....like the map he made of
all the area....yes it is houses on many aerodrome places...ruislip
uxbridge..the eastcote.HMS pembroke of war decypher raf huts .now houses
but called after the history names of the heritage there...slough my
cousin dreaded they build houses on their life long back of
garden..because of the great view of windsor castle......mike or
anybody...southallknowhere typed in
google and under..at the list has 2 of our photoboards..just
click..nice photos.....uxbridge raf photos in google of summer fete.by
the fibre glass huge model..of spitfire......and the double post box by
uxbridge station gold for local girl natasha baker of my school...won
paralympics...showed her goldmedal...torch etc at harrow shop
centre....the biggest cow bells saw were at recent tv documentary
switzerland..huge noise..lovely...and sheep coming down..side edge
narrow mountain path single file...ha...amazing...took photos of myself
12000 ft up cortina alps with cows and neck bells..gentle streams..italy
austria border..but..brookside by spikes bridge we would be at the
kitchen window 7am..daily huge noise of cows fields there going in for
milking....again massive number of houses built on now but sports fields
of our mushroom picking still there...northolt airport takes on all the
work now...beauty sunsets..huge open area...great no housing estates
there..........only operational battle britain..airfield
now.......biggin hill gt .visitor museum etc... ... more >>
- Re: A few months ago......................
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 16-Nov-2012
I realise not everything could be
included on Charles Tyrie's map, but he missed out the Langley Free
Church which was next door to Fuller, Smith & Turner Ltd off
licence! These were just before you got to the Co-op and Mercers
Newsagents & sweetshop further along. Then came the Red Lion pub,
just before you got to Mrs Rhymes & Son, the fabulous bakers shop.
- Re: A few months ago......................
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Nov-2012
there is nice photo of free
church in google.1901 built 1977..with shops there.256 high
st..fullers..slough library..source..lovely site.museum..lots lovely
info and photos..any sketches of southall shops..north south
sides...times gone by .can go on our photo boards//.tv.engrossed in
europe rail with portilo..puppet show strings..vienna..sound music
puppets.gt...as tv kids shows bbc 1950s...hungary.to
1913.war...danube..salzburg.1357 ft above sea level..of dormers
southall visit 1964..mozart.tonys favourite...viennese walz of our
lovely dance tv..weekly now..VERY steep rail so engine on angle keep
water level..steam loco..climbing...beauty...ha...imperial villas
etc....cortina.alps.over 12000ft. of my family hundreds yrs roots..sheer
beauty dolomites... ... more >>
- Re: A few months ago......................
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 16-Nov-2012
Yes, there are a load of lovely
old photos of Langley high street and Langley if you tap in Google
"Langley woodyard" and then "Glazing 24 hours" etc. It gives the photos
when the huge wood yard caught fire and burnt to the gound. This was
next to "The Harrow" pub. We were all in the crowd watching it in
disbelief!
- Re: A few months ago......................
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Nov-2012
much in fo..on line...slough
library museum...photos..william rhymes hand cart bakers...228 windsor
rd....with changing names to..calling high st..langley....postoffice
with post box outside..elmhurst.rd....free church became furniture
store...sense of place..but list of all clicks..in google index....my
morten stem of family of langley..section from north hyde southall..1911
langley...to recent times......canal brickfields etc...caused moving about... ... more >>
- Re: A few months ago......................
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 16-Nov-2012
I particularly remember the
Off-licence in Langley high street next door to the church, as when I
was pregnant in 1957, after I had shopped in Slough, I used to pop in
there for a small bottle of brown ale. I don't like beer, and have never
drunk it since, but it had to be brown ale!
I was always grateful that I hadn't asked my doc for any medication to stop the sickness, as that was when Thalidomide was being given out with disastrous consequencies. ... more >>
- Re: A few months ago......................
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Nov-2012
thalid....went to oz
1970...sydney..cousin who left southall 1957...on ship she made friends
with large young family....baby boy had thalid...we drove through the
gum trees..canberra..during night..visited them melbourne....she had lot
of work to look after her dear little boy......beecham glaxo...when
worked for the pharmaceuticals were so long and detailed care clinical
trails.....german firm.terrible
should never happened ..only recent yrs some compensation
money....light ale brown ale...bitter..nan did have bottle brought in
sometimes of ..stout..... ... more >>
- Re: A few months ago......................
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 16-Nov-2012
Somebody told me yesterday (don't
know if it is true or not) that Guinness have stopped doing bottles and
its now draught or cans only
- Re: A few months ago......................
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 17-Nov-2012
brooklands racing 1920 .on the
ramp..accidents deaths..turn over old racing cars......today on house of
elliot tv..freeview 10..channel......just done uxbridge....free
book...read pages in google..history of uxbridge......photo 1866 to
1970s pub...8 bells house of historic relics...was called..at greenline
bus stop.....demolished area..of miss youngs painting...there east end
of high st number 247..to
built civic centre borough hillingdon....by tall spire st andrews and
gates raf uxbridge..where they used to drink in 8 bells.......local
social hist societies and residents societies are gt..just got reply
1972 demolished pub..named after 8 bells of st john baptist
hillingdon..ancient church uxbridge rd..bus stop,,road to hillingdon
hospital walk.. ... more >>
- Re: A few months ago......................
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 17-Nov-2012
Yes some very bad accidents Brooklands not just cars but aircraft to in the early days
- Re: A few months ago......................
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 17-Nov-2012
amazed to seeing filming for
tv...there..costume of the 20s30s..and round the banking old car
went..turn over......died...lots lovely filming there....my bridesmaid
her dad..as kid his dad a dentist..took him to brooklands...30s..todays
news bentley priory got lottery heritage money.....opens to public sept
2013.....harrow stanmore......lovely stained glass windows raf
planes......plotting map...ops
room.....lady spoke waaf...worked on table.......tv news and
google...lots ladies in their 80s 90s now speak of work..ops..plotting
table etc..as girls war.....by gates raf uxbridge just finding out about
photo 8 bells house of historic relics..pub called....8 bells after
john baptist hillingdon 8 bells 1866 to 1972 pub..greenline bus stop
there...but demolished for civic centre feb 1972.......painting by miss
young..on line and at library..... ... more >>
- Re: A few months ago......................
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 17-Nov-2012
Just finished reading a book
on the bad treatment dished out to Dowding after he won the
Battle of Britain written by a fighter pilot who was in
the battle pilot officer Peter Brown called Honour Restored
most interesting about all the back biting and double dealing
against Dowding at the time of the battle
- Re: A few months ago......................
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 17-Nov-2012
1970 in his 80s..he died
tunbridge wells..a scots man....ashes raf chapel westminster abbey his
wifes ashes later there..great gratitude to him and raf,,..with
embankment thames raf memorial and now new by ritz green pk huge
memorial..will visit when see xmas lights regent st oxford st this
yr...raf church opposite law courts..bomber harris
outside...along..strand..aldwich...have been in couple times lovely raf church...by iceskating of somerset house these days....off the thames ... more >>
- Re: A few months ago......................
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 17-Nov-2012
Was born in Moffat
- Re: A few months ago......................
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Nov-2012
books......the 2 bks by .irvine
welsh...are in google..free reads turn the pages...free...born edinburgh
1958..lived greenford////spoke of red lion pub in book.........photos
our board of rubble bulldozer boards around oct 2012....brewery said not
viable high ground rates tax etc......welsh wrote skagboys and
also....wrote trainspotting.........ewan mcgregor film 1996..likely lads
to young men......photos.playhouse
granada.etc greenford there..bomb of playhouse war...left going out of
greenford.past many yrs shoe repair shop..opposite long yrs sherry
funeral parlour....was along ncr..taylor woodrow office..ibm think...all
photos our boards..mystery photo southall station bridge 1920.with very
high item.crane like...on west side..top of bridge..8 bells photo raf
uxbridge corner near st andrews spire//1972 demolished.pub for civic
centre to be built..but photo labelled says 8 bells house of historic
relics........bells are the local 1866 church of the pub hillingdon st
john baptist.uxbridge rd......but why house of historic
relics.....nothing in google.....rural pub style cottage 4 windows porch
door pub ivy around..raf used during war.... ... more >>
- Re: A few months ago......................
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 19-Nov-2012
reply from guiness
today.......your request late fri but office not at
weekend...........guiness extra stout in cans and bottles....only in
bottles guiness foreign extra stout....draught guiness not in bttles.but
in cans.....tony does not like those creammy cans funny cans inside
gubbins........loads on uxbridge in google...dowding unveiled tall stone
plaque ops room of war....2010 close raf band and
parade ground and through high st film there parade.inside raf with old
buildings around.cinema shop..sad but.speech there..film of raf and
pathe news film stadium.spell out word.uxbridge loads men on
parade.letters formed of men.......1920 to 1929 military tattoo stadium
uxbridge behind down park lane of lido..sports grounds...annual middx
show loads people go to........your request dennis place for your
items..most towns have free entry museum..local people give.family
items.display..southall ealing..are close to displays gunnesbury ealing
rd...rothchild mansion hse free entry museum car pk flower grounds...has
many local donations displays.....sure they would love your pieces... ... more >>
- Re: A few months ago......................
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 19-Nov-2012
Thanks Yvonne will follow it up
- Re: A few months ago......................
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 19-Nov-2012
thats ok..gunnesbury..lovely
people there send me regular booklet..today exhibition kitchens
opened..xmas days gone by displays etc......just found colour print
hanwell bridge pre 1900 before widening ballastrade added for new
trams....put 2 photos together compare .board47..greenford bridge brent
yrs ago...and river brent there 1903 record level rain..boats sunk brent
rver local..photo.....mile posts....and
huge sarsen stone....display sudbury golf greenford whitten
ave.....google has many sarsens found river brent....came down from
north...history.....one entrance hanwell pk........ ... more >>
- Re: A few months ago......................
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Nov-2012
75 words per minute....the quick
brown fox....etc....last typewriter made today..uk....wrexham north
wales..1873 to 2012....it goes to scirnce museum kensington..west
london...display...last with the very first.....dormers school...type
upstairs....old keys....then electric came in..golf ball.......typing
tune song.....portable typewriter in handle case my cousin had at west
ave southall.....ribbons...
- Re: A few months ago......................
by Janice Johnson (Member 10240407) on 20-Nov-2012
Watching the BBC news item this
morning about the last typewriter being made in Britain, it took me back
to when I first sat at a typewriter(60 years ago!) at Dormers Wells
Comprehensive and I left school being able to type at the magnificent
speed of 28wpm with lots of errors. After three months in a Civil
Service Training School in London, I could touch type at 40wpm almost
error free and I was deemed
good enough to be let loose into the typing pool to put my newly
learned keyboard skills into practice. After a short while, I could
accurately touch type at 75wpm with ease on a manual typewriter, usually
an Olivetti or Imperial, and became one of the senior typists. As the
years went on, I progressed to audio work using an electric typewriter.
Later still, word processors became popular and lastly, a few years
before I retired, computers were installed. I doubt I could depress the
keys on a manual typewriter these days but I still automatically type
with speed. All this sounds so 'out of the Ark' but it's how it was in
the days when we were proud of producing quality work. Now, of course,
anything goes and when watching the sales assistants in various shops
picking away at the keyboard trying to find the keys they need, I can
feel myself wanting to get in there and do the job for them. And isn't
it sad how everything 'British' is, or has been, taken away? ... more >>
- Re: A few months ago......................
by Janice Johnson (Member 10240407) on 20-Nov-2012
Ooh! I forgot to say that when in
the Training School, the keys were covered so we couldn't look at our
hands. A portable wind-up gramaphone was on the Tutor's desk playing
(usually) Colonel Bogey or some similar piece of music and she used to
hit the desk with a stick to emphasise the beat so we could type in
rhythm. Such old-fashioned ways but it stood us all in good stead for
our future careers.
- Re: A few months ago......................
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Nov-2012
yes know of the rhythm
music....typing pools...sling the carriage across...music....olivetti
portable hard case handle...had a cardboard piece to cover the
keyboard..to learn tying exercises.....those keys that jump up....then
the golf ball......further down here....yesterday bryan martyn of
northcote ave by norman rd put his memories and of haigh norman ave..as
you spoke of..best wishes....think he had a brother....spikes pk near there......parker upstairs dormers...but she may have done shorthand...... ... more >>
- Re: A few months ago......................
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Nov-2012
queen 60 yrs married today for
those who saw 11.30 am cinema film abbey wedding....2000 guests..1st
monarch to reach diamond wedding.....ruislip parish church 1930s says
queen mary visited...pitman..had typing courses....people went to
colleges or london for ..courses...little brush clean those keys..put in
new ribbons...hanwell library in todays
gazette....£1million..renovation..like southall carnegie..built
payed for....1904 opened by countess jersey.art nouveau
interior......1960 carry on constable filmed there ken connor ken
williams..and running outside rowses...store..for ealing film studios ... more >>
- Re: A few months ago......................
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 20-Nov-2012
I remember the day our beautiful
Queen Elizabeth, who was then Princess Elizabeth, and Prince Philip got
married all those 65 years ago. I was working at the Car & General
Insurance company in Ealing Broadway, and we were allowed to watch the
film across the road in the Palladiun cinema as many times as we liked.
We weren't allowed to have the day off though. Happy days.
- Re: A few months ago......................
by Sandy (Member 10264317) on 20-Nov-2012
I remember the typing classes at
Western Rd Girls school Olivettie typewriters we were able to pick our
own tune as a class we used Buddy Hollys Peggy Sue it was great fun
- Re: A few months ago......................
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Nov-2012
yes they are calling it sapphire
blue 65 yrs..charles 14 th,nov birthday about4/5 at coronation..royal
variety last night so we will see on tv.....ealing broadway listed
facade building council have given.owners aug oct this yr start build
new cinema or lawyers...so long derelict...gazette says crossrail 2016
southall hayes..will be 25 mins to tottenham ct rd ...36 mins to canary
wharf.....they are
hoping new residents..revamp the area..emi weekly in gazette huge area
for houses offices..hopes to revamp with new station..lifts to go to
lengthened platforms ... more >>
- Re: A few months ago......................
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 20-Nov-2012
Mum whent to Pitmans
collage i think it was in West Ealing she keep her diplomas
all her life, i think that would be in the 1920.
- Re: A few months ago......................
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 20-Nov-2012
My mum also went to Pitmans
College in London for shorthand and typing. Her aunt (who had been a
companion to one of the Guinness family) paid for her. We used to
compare our shorthand when I was older, but I learnt mine at Southall
Grammar school at night school and was pretty good at it. Can't say the
same for my typing, as we only had one lesson a week and I didn't have a
typewriter to practice on then. Soon caught up on it later though. ... more >>
|
|
fred asked reigning monarch visited southall.......and general
|
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Nov-2012
|
yes......george mary 1916 23 nov...south rd...was 1850 to
1930ish..marylebone school..poor of london..1915 to 1919..used as
hospital.oz amputees.with harefield hosp...oz nurses..3302 treated 2508
straight from france..only 4 died..rehabilitation work skills..tennis at
pk..southall..oz museum sent me photos southall and hospital
etc....last yr........mr meads southall book photos.text...king visite d
maypole marg factory and institute used as hospital war..became
community centre..new beaconsfield school 1915 was used as
hospital..queen and family visits local over yrs..ann dormers
school..queeh hayes ealing broadway..harrow northolt
.uxbridge.heathrow.hounslow..etc etc......1916 after somme....1917 nans
brother of northhyde and cranford lane blown to bits arras.....north
star pub .landlord my gt aunt hubby 2 kids.died 1918.oct.arras with his 4
brothers of northhyde and uxbridge all died..war.. ... more >>
- Re: fred asked reigning monarch visited southall.......and general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Nov-2012
bill.........couple yrs ago we
have been the junction pub end..at brent rd....but street view 2008 ..in
google..takes you along tow path...because..cars go to the
corrages...bulls bridge rd.......1914 post offce directory in
google.....the terraced cottages ..1st lot nearest junction pub....are
3/4 kings head cottages....lots pubs along there 1880s brickfields
thirsty work.......priddle junction publican...then...bolton...henken..rogers...snook
who was also chairman anglers fisheries club.southall.......hammond
..tubb..knight..meller...humphries..brown
..dobson..goodfellow..perry..dobson.....today google shows cottages
ending..now with...warehouses..going up to bulls ridge...all north side
..new huge tesco..south side.....our members here...3 were of white
cottage..and that right at the bulls bridge.....but all other 32
numbered cottages...are bulls bridge rd canalside southall...nearer to
western rd bridge........our member lives there..now over
40yrs......road and tow path..western rd to oak bridge..is the
common..industrious cottages of yrs 1800 also....mount view cottage.so
that is wentworth rd.when was huge mounds..gunpowder....by manor
way.near to the rec.......my family 1860 to 1928 ..lived..bulls bridge
rd cottage..kids born there......and .old oak pub cottages also..and
north star row.... ... more >>
- Re: fred asked reigning monarch visited southall.......and general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Nov-2012
phylis..............would
probably know when kings head hotel pub.went....along from junction
pub..bulls bridge rd..with..long rows cottages over the years going
west.north side....my family morton wingrove there.........2008 in
google character appraisal photos.kings head listed building......1899
walker publican..1914 was priddle.....old north star down bottom bridge
regina rd.was 1899 hutchinson
publican..my family ackland publican 1912.......canalside cottages
still there on google street view2008...some modernised...but some..very
authentic sache windows low tiny old labourers cottages
1850......photos and interior...small narrow fireplace in bedroom...cars
go along...parking house cars.....the 1881 free census..schedule of
census man walking route..has them at 485...next schedule he walks is
western rd..prince wales pub..still open.........norwood reg dist
uxbridge it was called then..of southall...best wishes..warehouses up
nearer bulls bridge north side.southall....but couple our members had
relatives up there in paddington branch white canal cottage etc
there..far up by hayes...... ... more >>
- Re: fred asked reigning monarch visited southall.......and general
by Bill Henley (Member 10272156) on 5-Nov-2012
Very many thanks for the
responses to my postings. I must find time to research more. My Great
Grandfather William Couch lived at North Star Row where my Grandmother
Rose was born and later at Canalside where my Great Aunt Ellen (Nellie)
was born. When I was a little un they lived at 99 & 103 Dudley
Road. I still remember having to kiss my Great Grandfather through his
whiskers, the dog under the table, racing pictures on the walls and heavy curtains in front of the door and all very Victorian. ... more >>
- Re: fred asked reigning monarch visited southall.......and general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 5-Nov-2012
yes straight in living rm from
door so curtain..moustache fashion..my gdad etc....roy couch our member
he is around 80yrs....here...ROY FAMILY>..horace and archie couch of
him..southall green....years before 1900s and 1900s........horace..darts
winners 3 tuns pub.southall team 1920s....archie horse wagon..united
dairy ...tables by gem cinema......dudley ..kate of prince
william..family came from..1967
her mum carole at featherstone sch..........ellen what was her
surname..canalside...row of dozen cottages going from...junction
pub..along...to half way west along...bulls bridge rd..tow path........ ... more >>
- Re: fred asked reigning monarch visited southall.......and general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 5-Nov-2012
1911 census was free in google
3mths..ended day ago.........uxbridge reg district southall.........so
1911....born 1877 age 17..census reg dist brentford which was north star
row parish heston..northhyde...............1911...9 william
couch...uxbridge southall and brentford..northyde heston
areas....living...free census index find past in
google...........canalside..1911 onwards came under southall reg district of uxbridge........whats ellen surname.... ... more >>
- Re: fred asked reigning monarch visited southall.......and general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 5-Nov-2012
free in google....family search
records held....free click arrow right scrolls info..under.....william j
couch age 13 .1911...southall...b1898.........william couch..just born
1911...southall....also.....ancestry has them as well......genes
reunited....has all records free also in google..............
- Re: fred asked reigning monarch visited southall.......and general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 5-Nov-2012
meant to put rose couch age 17..1911.uxb reg dist which was southall
1914 free in google post office directory southall 1914 yrs...william
john...couch..101 dudley rd.......and james couch 109,,dudley
rd.......kates family lived dudley...in flat effect.... flat upstairs
old place flat downstairs..goldsmith..edith worked ticklers brought up 6
kids there....goldsmith.1967 kates mum there.........william
couch 1914...kingston rd southall......my akers north star
cottages..1870 to pulled down 1957 by .BA.....BILL>did you see
them..sache windows row on street level..doors .no front...terrace
small.10 dwellings...our planted apple tree back yard.....in corner down
from..regina rd bridge..was old north star pub 1866 to 1937
demolished...long white building.....NEW.1937 built north star much
further round getting nearer to norwood green..of annual july
fetes........yr ago new tesco inside big corner pub..facade kept..... ... more >>
- Re: fred asked reigning monarch visited southall.......and general
by Bill Henley (Member 10272156) on 5-Nov-2012
So much information. Many thanks.
Ellen (Nellie) Couch lived at 99 Dudley road with her father and mother
and stayed there after there deaths. She married Peter (Percy ) Dawson
who worked on the railway. Rose Couch married Frederick Henley and lived
at 103 Dudley Road. I never met Fred as he died in 1940 of an illness
but I have a small notebook of his from WW1. I am currently transcribing
his pencil written notes and researching his time in the trenches at Ypres in 1915. ... more >>
- Re: fred asked reigning monarch visited southall.......and general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 5-Nov-2012
fred henley not on our
memorial.for 1915 ..list southall green ..1st war ..in st john
church...on our flickrsouthallboard54@yahoo.com.....photos...william
dawson 1914..17 sussex rd...frank henly 48 waltham rd,,,,nearby....our
family north star landlord 4 yrs france died wounds 1918 oct arras..4
brothers ackland he was from born uxbridge ..all died 1st war....nan
wingrove brother blown bits arras..17
april 1917....on heston by church memorial......bill did you see north
star row before demolished 1957....ours born there...small sache
windows..small front door terrace of 10.low brick small
places.....onto..road was ..old dirt track 1800s
yrs..northhyde..lane.... ... more >>
- Re: fred asked reigning monarch visited southall.......and general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 5-Nov-2012
just noticed 1940 for
fred.......but we went to menin gate of ypres..bugle about 8 pm
daily...belgium school children......on our way to bruges
holiday.....war memorial photos southall our board 1970 ish chamber
commerce there..laying wreath...crowd.....board54 photos..white
lion.pub...getting lots viewing...and tv cinema filming
around..professionals..sweeney dr who etc.....lord wolsey 1950 pub outing group to southend 1950.....etc..lots of manor hse area over the decades....... ... more >>
- Re: fred asked reigning monarch visited southall.......and general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 5-Nov-2012
bill....................1950
film..cinema..bargee...harry h corbett.of tv steptoe.photo of crew.there
filming bargee film..cameras bulls bridge....board50.our
photos....another board. has harry on narrow boat at 3 bridges
filming.....saw film it is good...also free on computer you tube to
watch film.........
- Re: fred asked reigning monarch visited southall.......and general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Nov-2012
ROY COUCH..our 83 yrs young
member..1911 census still free on genes reunited...your photo our
board50.and 52.gdad h.f. couch...king st hairdresser shaving 1902...1926
dad horace couch southall win darts 3 tuns pub.photo...uncle
archie..horse wagon milk united dairy by gem cinema...photo..census .109
dudley rd...1911.still FREE IN GENES REUNITED GOOGLE...archie
10..horace 12.henry r 7..george 2..5 room.terrace.......109
dudley age 13 william john couch butcher errand boy.....looks like bill
of brother horace.who was father of our member roy couch..many yrs
southall......albert couch 10..at 99 dudley fred 8 alf 3yrs
old...........at 1 jubilee cottage kingston rd .evelyn.mary couch age
5....meaning of couch red hair.cornish...tom couch 24.a baker.at 60
gordon rd.southall..catherine age 3.william 6 wks old.........roys
mum...little girl age 3 .1902.and aunt lil in .barber shop photo king st
1902.....our boards//also photo .of.5 nov 2012..large post office
northolt opposite village green..loading bay 4 cars..etc..in
flames..fire last night..... ... more >>
- Re: fred asked reigning monarch visited southall.......and general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Nov-2012
lucky 1911 census still free at
moment genes reunited in google....99 dudley rd...wife ellen 36...19yrs
married..daughter nellie.age 13,,,daughter rose age 17 unemployed
domestic servant...son richard couch age 12.....william john born 1874
age 37 in 1911,,at 99 dudley..stationary engine driver for gas
works.....he was born 1874 delahole cornwall..cornish surname means red
hair.........dairies of war
are well looked after by imperial war museum london..and archive office
war section kew.......displayed for public.and for historians....bbc
for over 10yrs..do verbal.cassettes war memories etc..as do local
libraries and british library london..memories...kept and cherished..for
social..rare archive not to be lost or forgotten..from ordinary people
who lived it all.....photo .northolt fire sorting office post last night
board52......4.30 pm..9pm..4 fire engines....sparks cars went up..by
village green near tube staion rail..140 bus stop... ... more >>
- Re: fred asked reigning monarch visited southall.......and general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Nov-2012
roy............got the 1911
family ..your gdad at the hairdressing sahve shop 47 king
st..1902....photo is also in mr meads book....harry fred age 14.there at
shop living...lilian age 12....mary sophia age 10..tom george age
8..herb charles age 5..all born southall.....gwelin idris the son age 2
,in 1911 there at shop number 47 king st..7 rooms....andrew leslie.age
2...albert age6..........couple other
hardy family local...hammond rd east.....6 albert rd...103 featherstone
rd.......16 featherstone rd..and 109 dudley rd.henry r hardy.....in
1911...constance hardy was nurse at north rd sanatorium....age
21.....all born southall.....some lovely colours fireworks huge sprays
last night...high... ... more >>
- Re: fred asked reigning monarch visited southall.......and general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Nov-2012
cant believe luck.....free census
to everybody in google friends reunited....ROY.....CLICK RIGHT SIDE AND
GET ALL IN ONE HOUSE.....YOURS...47 THE HAIRDRESSER SHOP
...TOBACCONIST..OF HARRY FRED HARDY...KING ST..19 YRS MARRIED..AGE
48..BORN BURY ST EDMUNDS SUFFOLK....wife catherine jane
born.marylebone....age 42...7 kids alive 2 died...as was very
common..most families......daughter katherine nevill
hardy.age 16...1911..north side king st..junction corner hammond
rd..along from..havelock....going east was 67 black dog pub...your dad
horace 1921 darts won southall team 3 tuns...must have known mr
meads..and given him a copy of the photo...it is in ..mr meads
book..1982 published couple yrs before he died......1911 mr meads was 6
up at townsend rd....from yeading hayes.... ... more >>
- Re: fred asked reigning monarch visited southall.......and general
by Bill Henley (Member 10272156) on 8-Nov-2012
I am still absorbing the
fascinating information that has been posted. Sadly, I only became aware
of my connection to North Star Row recently and do not remember ever
seeing the cottages. When passing through a few months back I found the
building of the later North Star pub but now realise that the old one
was elsewhere. I called in on Havelock Road Cemetery and found graves
for Couch family members
and my Grandfather Fred. All in a very sad state. I must find time to
further pursue the Cornish connection of the Couch family. As a lad I
stayed at Delabole with an "Aunt Bessie" but have yet to establish her
place in the family tree. There are not enough hours in the day! ... more >>
- Re: fred asked reigning monarch visited southall.......and general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Nov-2012
yes time....is not
easy........yes very much cornish name....means red hair....yes most
modern people....think new north star was the one.....old north star
near regina rd bridge 1800s to close demolish 1939....was brickfields
next to them on the west...workers cottages all the censuses.....photo
of them in mr oates book........cottages demmolished 1957ish......4 /6
sections families couch southall green..in 1911 census.....our roy..is one of them..with male born cornwall also.... ... more >>
|
|
Civil Defence area at the side of King's Hall
|
by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 31-Oct-2012
|
Does anyone of our members have any knowledge of what went on there, I
often used to see them when I was at the Hall either for Technical
Drawing (part of the Hall was an annexe for Southall Grammar) or when
attending a youth club back in the early to middle sixties.
- Re: Civil Defence area at the side of King's Hall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 31-Oct-2012
1950 cold war they had the bunker
north side kings hall...photos derelict on our boards..later new
beaconsfield primary school built on the site...onto south rd
pavement..hedge front of school photo in
google...heathrow.bunker.tunnel..7 photos bunkers local..in
google..1950s cold war..civil defence.....
- Re: Civil Defence area at the side of King's Hall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Nov-2012
very interesting in google..west
london bunkers tunnels.1950s cold war..photos..northolt
decontamination.place and hayes.....wandsworth...heathrow...southall
south rd..is white door bunker by the school.tarmac
entrance...hamborough primary school..newly built some yrs ago..along
from kings hall...recent photos...in google..subterranean..civil defence
1950s...
- Re: Civil Defence area at the side of King's Hall
by penny (Member 10265839) on 1-Nov-2012
Does anyone remember the shops in
Western Road -starting from the Brent Road end- Ives the Newsagents,
then next to Western Road Primary School- Mrs Keith's grocers (mother of
Peter and Geraldine), then further along Watsons the Butchers next door
to a grocers, with a greengrocers just opposite.
Then further along, a parade of shops set back, including another grocer's (Leicester Stores?) and Mrs
Boot's lovely sweetshop where you could buy a huge selection of sweets
from one farthing to one penny, and also sample her homemade ice
lollies. ... more >>
- Re: Civil Defence area at the side of King's Hall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Nov-2012
some rare old photos old western
rd..are about.shops etc.....brent rd..now with the new primary school
there on west side western rd..with featherstone boys school.stone high
with soldier on top 1st war memorial.out front by fence by bus
stop.....105 bus.junction pub and old oak still open.......new photos
rec common..on southallboard54@yahoo.com.new oct 2012 set of 3 flats
complex on regina rd northhyde hump bridge..selling now....swans along... ... more >>
- Re: Civil Defence area at the side of King's Hall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Nov-2012
todays news..war carrier pigeon
found chimney surrey..cigarette thin tissue code message..from..special
operations executive..our spies in france.70 yrs ago.going back to
bletchley pk..now the code is being dealt with by modern day gchq
cheltenham.......red container.around leg.they flew 1 mile a
minute....couple of them got medals..bravery saved lives.arrived back in
uk..in extreme bad conditions....exhibition
we saw at bletchley last yr..only 45 mins drive from..harrow bushy area
middlesex..to up by milton keynes.....today gazette photo at uxbridge
raf airport..by model.spitfire..camera catches ghost of american
soldier.gun helmet.uniform.pack on back...says image has not been
tampered with...uxbridge was hospital 1st war soldiers before raf moved
in 1918...site well known for ghosts halloween.and bunker legend of
spirits...... ... more >>
- Re: Civil Defence area at the side of King's Hall
by Jean Kirby (Member 10268700) on 1-Nov-2012
I remember the shops there was
also a cobblers shop, Walters haberdashery and if I remember rightly
Johnsons sweet shop and a greengrocers in the parade opposite Tachbrook
Road. Further along on the otherside of the road was a shop called
Baths which my Mum would always send me to get freshly cut ham and
cheese. My friend Linda Harvey and I would go there on roller skates.
In the parade between
Balfour Road and Featherstone Road was Brady's which sold the latest
records, a dress shop where my sister June would spend hours trying
things on and coming out with nothing, and Hill's newsagents I think
there was also a small toy shop. Other shops even further along were Ivy
Wrights baby shop and a barbers. I think there were others which escape
me at the moment, can you remember any more Penny? ... more >>
- Re: Civil Defence area at the side of King's Hall
by Jean Kirby (Member 10268700) on 1-Nov-2012
I have just remembered Mullengers
fish shop, where there would be live eels wriggling around in a box
outside, and the really fishy smell which you could smell a long way
away. I also think there was a scrap metal merchant along Western Road
nearer to the King Street end.
- Re: Civil Defence area at the side of King's Hall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Nov-2012
timber wood yard western rd near
king st...flexman coaches...western rd girls school on west side between
houses..when was it closed..when demolished..about 1980 perhaps...up
near king st...what long road it was...there is film of the street in
google by art student group..going along with huge bouncing eye//called
ball..going whole legth of western rd...my family tree they were 85
western rd...called 1
blenheim terrace then by junction florence rd..florence named after
builder rt warren .his dorset children....gdad was his house building
manager..site of the men.bricklayers...gt skill good houses
built..morton ann mary..james 1911...my nans wingrove of her gdad
family..western rd .also bulls bridge before..southall all their
lives..rail worker.. ... more >>
- Re: Civil Defence area at the side of King's Hall
by Bill Henley (Member 10272156) on 2-Nov-2012
At the back of Western Road
School there was a dry cleaners. A fence separated the playground from
the cleaning premises and was covered in fluff. At the other side of the
playground there were WW2 shelters that in my time were used for
storing unwanted furniture etc. Adjacent to the school and to Ives shop
at the front was Lady Jerseys Own 1st Norwood Southall Scout Hut (later
burnt down and then
replaced before the current use of the land) and next to that St John's
Church Hall. Whenever I hear the hymn "For those in danger on the sea" I
recall a junior school assembly in the school hall. The submarine Afray
had been lost and we sang the hymn as part of the service. ... more >>
- Re: Civil Defence area at the side of King's Hall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Nov-2012
best wishes..went to school with
snelling girl..her brother went to.scouts there 1953...any names you
heard of there 1962..arthur collins..mrs scott..mr wheeler..mr
jubb..50yrs celebration they had 1962 from.start 1912/3.........our
photo board54...new st john church ave..whole wall nice wood
engraving..clock...names of 2nd war lost lives and 1st war ..parish of
st john southall green...hahnenfeld..nutley..haigh....many
families local names....not on memorial council said not money for it
but all churches usually have names displayed..lutchen design
copy..southall like whitehall..cenotaph.....manor hse photos through
yrs..with.in the photos.also the.featherstone hall of welch family.and
wall folly .then became asylum..then dominion cinema....1935 ... more >>
- Re: Civil Defence area at the side of King's Hall
by jean edward (Member 10247075) on 3-Nov-2012
I remember those WW2 shelters at
the back of Western Rd school and spent many hours there after the siren
had sounded. I was there 1942-46 and we had to take our lesson books
with us and carry on as normal until the all-clear. When we first
started senior school we all had to take a packet of biscuits for the
storage box - to be used if we got stuck down there unable to get out
I wonder if they packets are still there lol - they would be pretty stale by now. ... more >>
- Re: Civil Defence area at the side of King's Hall
by Bill Henley (Member 10272156) on 3-Nov-2012
I believe that the shelters have
all gone following the redevelopment of the whole site. Sadly the scout
hut and church hall are also no longer there. I was in the cubs and the
scouts and remember many winter evenings playing games and erecting
timber trestles etc etc. I was brought up in Brent Road and that has
also changed greatly. Large warehouses now stand where Ticklers had its
yard for barrels of pulp
for jam making. The confectionary tower of what was International
Stores has gone as has the old wooden building that was a railway siding
for fruit deliveries. As a boy I would rescue strawberries and plums
that "leaked" from the trucks. Ticklers jams feature in many pictures
from the WW1 trenches and a bomb made from the cans was called a
Tickler. I believe that the wooden railway shed was constructed that way
because WW1 armaments were produced there. Also Crown Corks, Brolac
Paint, Scotts Emulsion and later Arrow Switches, Beaver & Tapley and
of course Southall Gasworks that had an entrance under the railway at
the end of Brent Road. ... more >>
- Re: Civil Defence area at the side of King's Hall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Nov-2012
they talk of the gun in western
rd and airraid shelter...nan lived next to old oak
pub..walk.canalside..to junction pub.and brent rd for ticklers..her
cousins from across the fields cranford lane came they worked 1914 yrs
ticklers..war jam cans huge work at ticklers..nans family back to 1803
heston.norwood green fruit orchards mkt gardeners....nan moved north
southall..the other side..ha...she walked..over
bridge back to ticklers...1928 yrs.work....jam came home for kids on
bread ..her eldest.looked after the 6 kids school lunch....veg ready for
6pm.dinner .but nan came in from ticklers to cook it all...aunt was
supervisor kealey tonges piece work..to make their money ..up..bonus for
friday night wage pkt..http://www.flickr.com/photos/86803954@N05/
board54..53 ..photos western rd..and also floodlight
pylons.football.1992 collapse demolish 1996.fa cup held
crowd.19000.against watford..and 105 bus..etc. ... more >>
- Re: Civil Defence area at the side of King's Hall
by Bill Henley (Member 10272156) on 3-Nov-2012
A great aunt of mine was born in
1898 at Canalside, North Hyde. I think that was near Bulls Bridge but
would like to see a map of the time and perhaps a photo. My grandmother
was born at North Star Row in 1894. Once again a map or photo would be
very interesting as I cannot identify where the cottages were. The later
North Star pub is now a Tesco Express. My grandfather started work in
the brick field and that is another area of interest. ... more >>
- Re: Civil Defence area at the side of King's Hall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Nov-2012
bill..snap snap...my gdad.akers
and siblings born 1890 etc north star row number 5..his brother number
10.hackers ..couple spellings..by old noth star pub..demolished
1939.....new north star pub built further east at bend to fern lane..now
tesco..this last couple yrs closed.....gdad father moved in brickfield
worker 1870s......betsy charles....married heston church...came under
parish heston...brickfield
owner house oon hump bridge old oak pub still open...at regina rd..by
rec park........the common by tow path canal..to junction pub...then
going west to bulls bridge....hayes bulls rd..canalside..industrious
cottages...goes from..western rd canal bridge to bulls bridge....my nans
family 1803 southall green..had kids 1881 census..bulls bridge..then
lived western rd 1911 census was free last 3 mths ended last
night......etc etc..loads info 3 yrs family tree local social history
work photos maps etc.etc.. ... more >>
- Re: Civil Defence area at the side of King's Hall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Nov-2012
census north star each 10 yrs has
names....what surname were they......1881 census free on
google...numbers cottage row..terraced...2 up 2 down..often took lodger
help pay rent...brickfields were next to them...on the corner
bend....northhyde lane..from ..hump canal bridge spur
dock...canal..could not afford to build more canal private there so used
rail track instead...huge clamp...coal fire bricks
5 days..heat smoke...or kilns..hand made bricks...gravel pits....all
out across that .empty land there as goes to heston airport...dad
worked...now ..golf links...and built on land there mounds...convent way
estate wentworth rd ... more >>
- Re: Civil Defence area at the side of King's Hall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Nov-2012
canalside....census image page
you pay for...but gives neighbours and location of census man going
along...tow path ..old dwellings..cottages.....from...norwood
=bridge....to hump bridge ....to western rd bridge to bulls
bridge........library sometimes has census view free on computer monitor
screen......our social historian..local all his life mr raymond..his
family north star row also...10 cottages
there...he was birch........orchard farm behind..holly farm rd there
now...ba pulled down north star row 1957 built ringway employees houses
there....my gdad brother still there...chucked out died yr later in
council flat........2/- 4/6..rents they used to pay 1900 yrs,,,,,,,,,nan
gdad there.row.when 1st married..all had their kids in cottage.....nan
went across canal to old oak pub mt pleasant 13 dwellings there next to
rec.....then 1928 to north southall......etc etc..loads maps photos
etc...on our boards........southall book by oates..on sale
ebay..amazon.and ealing library..by librarian mr oates has photo of
.north star row cottages.about half way through...onto.front road door
opens..no front .area..door front window opened onto pavement of just
old track lane 1870s 1900s...bit of back yard......lane was 1870 mud
track..farm cart...carts carry 500 bricks to hounslow..old bailey site
westbrook...well know bricks..had cart500 stolen....many thousand fired
bricks...millions..there till clay brickearth worked out
1920s....1850..barracks there at dock...jesuit cruel catholic priests
400 boys london poor orphans..many shipped to canada slave labour age
12...1952.war memorial boys..huge staue jesus gone parade ground sea
scouts..aeradio ba...office built there southall lane......turning hole
at canal...by north star row.....wide curved space there today to turn
barges narrow boats cargo..tarpauling..covered....toll house there
tax....coal depot...my uncle aunt helped for pennies...fish barrow
there...cleaning they did before going to school 1918.....freezing
cold...dad age4 fell in canal there his brother.got him out.....horses
kept by my relative hubby 1860 to 1900..for brickfoields canal..up by
bulls bridge...repair yard and adelaide...for barges........etc etc etc
ha ... more >>
- Re: Civil Defence area at the side of King's Hall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Nov-2012
the old north star photo our
boards...white...long....tucked in corner at brickfield.s.....south of
canal..on the open space golf now...right angle bend in northhyde lane
along with pub..1830s built north star row..terrace 10 of them...many
families each census..pulled down by ba..1957...number 10 gdads brother
he put sweet shop into his front window yr 1900...down as grocer shop
1911....my canada
cousin..born 1914..still canada ..served in shop...age 12/3....her dad
owned the pub 1913 old north star..then war 1914 4yrs killed last weeks
war arras....ackland....her mum gdads sister was barmaid
there..1913.....long big pub ..several rooms...brickworkers......yrs
1900s...and before......mr raymond our member ..hayes hounslow all his
life...lifetime work collection bulls bridge etc etc...all areas..vaste
collection work and items..maps photos etc...born in cottages they went
to old schools ..boys featherstone across the rec .walked...girls
western rd etc....1900s..and just before the oldest schools
started....1837 old st john built as school for rough wild..brickies
kids....by dodds..who owned the vitreol works at norwood canal
bridge..... ... more >>
- Re: Civil Defence area at the side of King's Hall
by penny (Member 10265839) on 4-Nov-2012
Yvonne, you have such a fount of
memories. Is it possible that you could write a short history in
pamphlet form for people to buy from you. It would be a wonderful asset
for future social historians. Otherwise all these lovely memories of
buildings-no-longer-there will be lost.
- Re: Civil Defence area at the side of King's Hall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Nov-2012
over 3yrs reading.masses of
stuff.in .google..library books ..records..census etc.tales from the
family..etc etc....BUT need to claw back some of the massive lost time
to catch up on loads vital jobs to do..no time to do more.,,54 boards
photos etc....here...11 yrs this site of peoples memories etc..makes a
book..here..these 11 yrs this site.....several people on our board here
writing booklets for
their grandchildren..dylis boot taylor said she was...mr meads wrote
booklets published 1982....mr oates local librarian has wtitten..seberal
books..with photos postcards...on amazon..ebay and public
libraries..southall librarian 1962 kirwan..in google..wrote
booklet...war local mr upton..people wrote books..local wh smith shops
sell them.....local social history societies all towns..have records
booklets they have written..societies in google have been going since
1930s.......glad you enjoy penny...if anybody wants to put sketch of
local high st shops .years they used ...can put sketches on our photo
boards....nice to hear you penny..... ... more >>
- Re: Civil Defence area at the side of King's Hall
by Bryan Martyn (Member 10242855) on 19-Nov-2012
There is a long history of Civil
Defence there, underneath the old school (Marylebone) the CD
communications rooms and switchboard for wartime rescue coordination. My
mum worked down there always said it was haunted.
- Re: Civil Defence area at the side of King's Hall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 19-Nov-2012
the photos taken..modern times
are..awful.inside.50s cold war bunkers...old derelict
water..rust////photos on the sites in google..southall.now beaconsfield
primary school..but door there in photo....off south rd........heathrow
etc....lots photos in google of war ...decontamination gas centres radar
.airraid...ruislip manor..still there brick
tower...windmill.rd...pembroke......northolt ones.....interesting to hear any thing from your mum...sounds fascinating.... ... more >>
- Re: Civil Defence area at the side of King's Hall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 19-Nov-2012
yes that huge area of old
marylebone school 1850 to 1930s....1st war used by australia soldiers
nurses amputees..rehab.with harefield operations....limbs there..tennis
they played..learned job skills..photos our boards ..of..all ..orphans
poor kids from all london..to school...several hundred....marylebone at
south rd..then they had some in london also.....photos front layed back
..wall hedge mansion hse....pillars at front door....west side south rd...north side of kings hall...... ... more >>
|
|
new developments.....changes.....and general
|
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Oct-2012
|
10 months now building new bridge photo in
google..splendid..opens..later..down from feltham middx..walton bridge
thames..1st new road bridge thames in 20 yrs..since q eliz bridge
thames.....of course 2 new footbridges..central london by st pauls and
festival hall....photos...webbs furniture shop by himalaya palace
cinema..1975 bought by asians.carpets.now biggest carpets west
london..huge warehou se
opposite st bernards....long years white hart pub by prefabs
golflinks...along west of allenby ..now flats just about to
open....photo 1960.lex solicitors...heasleigh accountants...79 south rd
east side..some of the elabourate gentry houses villas along there now
guest houses...back lane to osterley from norwood green horses.used to
be ron brewers donkeys there......harehounds windmill lane was gentry
main entrance child esquire..london bankers...and lord jersey land
owner..to the 2 main rds to london..from there..and rail.osterley
..later piccadily tube.......2 gate houses there by war dads army
shooting range high wall horses..fed looked after sundays..crown cork
and all the pubs...churches .and local..there photos ... more >>
- Re: new developments.....changes.....and general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Oct-2012
you tube films in google..1940s
50s trolley buses...fim with nice quirky music shepherds bush to
southall uxbridge....and film 100 yrs buses and trolleys....london
middlesex hastings etc.......google has 2008 last comment on lady marg
rd 447 opposite row shops..top north part...about the 40s 50s sprung
floor dancing seagull pub...then saffron dor night club..then 2008
change name to thatch pub...long
white..west side.447...but whether flats now dont..know....although at
the top of the rd ruislip rd corner..2012 still esso garage...many
decades back always been esso....new entrance lady marg rd to greenford
grammar..new high school. 2011..opened new school ... more >>
- Re: new developments.....changes.....and general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Oct-2012
happy october birthday cleo lane
..google photo with her son alec..looks so like his late dad johnnie
dankworth..clementina dinah campbell of clarence st southall..dad
jamaican.mum..minnie bullock of swindon....photo our boards she is
little girl 3 of them in garden southall..martin bank 27 south rd 1969
ish became barclays.photo grasshopper hanging there.1944 mr mowbray
there.corner hamilton rd..bus
turning.jb miller next door...lex house little further......fish
chip.shop..very old front..changing hands now..norwood rd down from lamb
pub...old southall 6154 telephone number above door..fisheries norwood
green says above door,,,tonight channel freeview 9 grammar
schools.by1950.7pm...aerial photos 1930...everywhere local.all
areas.there board54.....see road house lived etc.... ... more >>
|
|
clothes 50s40s etc..local.shops material rouses west ealing.school.GENERAL
|
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Oct-2012
|
gingham check..bought yard off roll rouses .school primary check..pink
red white.seniors basically navy skirt white blouse....or as chris said
50s stiff net petticoats under full skirts..new exhibition v a
london...meaning characters image of clever clothes
costume.cinema..dorothy wizard oz 16/17 yrs old garland bound tight ..to
child person..kansss depression gingham cheap...washboarded scrubbed to
make worn poor look..titanic long sleak stripe.huge buttons..closed in
emotion winslet...1912...£10000.postcard ireland off titanic
sold....northcote pub southall friday saturday nights...factory all week
glam ladies..dressed up..womens darts etc...lounge bar music..my aunt
looked gt...little droop earrings.ldelicate sparkle necklace.nice
evening watch..seems up back stockings.stiletoe heels....out of daily
wrap pinny nan for sunday best.costume cheaper jewellry brooch at
blouse...little hat...munitions and factory they wrapped scarf head
snood turban...glad shoe shops west ealing southall..annual shoes school
grew out of...long high boots snow rain..walk or bus.. ... more >>
- Re: clothes 50s40s etc..local.shops material rouses west ealing.school.GENERAL
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 18-Oct-2012
Sorry Yvonne, but all one sentence and I don't understand it.
Sorry. But I do know Rowse's of Ealing was spelled with a "W" and not a "U". I think it was F.H.Rowse
- Re: clothes 50s40s etc..local.shops material rouses west ealing.school.GENERAL
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Oct-2012
as we spoke..1940s .war
farm..excellent tv bbc tonight..then choir excellent ..keep it
up..bbc........the local paintings..through the years...3 emails
tonight..from locals who found them wonderful...friend wife sister
cranford lane 40s..they liked tentlow lane to 3 bridges.painting splash
at northhyde generations played there..also..mounds where wentworth rd
built 1936....lots canal paintings......
he rode his bike.all areas..........yes rowse..thanks...gt material
rolled out cut yards for my .sewing .....saturdays....on bus vist...west
ealing ..BHS ms..woolies..daniels...rowse opening day 1913 in
google.... ... more >>
- Re: clothes 50s40s etc..local.shops material rouses west ealing.school.GENERAL
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 19-Oct-2012
Remember mum talking of the water splash at North Hyde
- Re: clothes 50s40s etc..local.shops material rouses west ealing.school.GENERAL
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 19-Oct-2012
the paintings of the splash are
lovely...my aunt 1914 and dad kids lived common north hyde canal...she
played there....my friend cranford southall lane northhyde rd
hayes...played there 40s 50s.he likes the paintings..done decades
ago....australia newzealand x pats love them......splashlane there but
lots houses built around..len lived there.quite a while.....splash the
yeading brook coming down to
river crane......just done 1911 census....dozen... of mine around
there....canteen pub white wingrove.with the 13 acre farm northhyde from
passsingham.........by the old barracks catholic orphanage.gunpodwer
factory canal.private canal..off.... wharf.. docks got filled in
....mounds painting..is great to see........free 1911 to all till nov
2..handwriting of the old people...canteen row cottages they write
barrack row twin titles.........josie uncle..on here...used canteen to
40s.....northhyde house bridge on canal...depot....census free takes you
along the roads.......mine at ..old oak bridge house.north star row pub
and.also 3 of the cottages and grocer shop sweets.....they had......the
other southall site........are raving about the paintings...held at
ealing and hounslow libraries...... ... more >>
- Re: clothes 50s40s etc..local.shops material rouses west ealing.school.GENERAL
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 19-Oct-2012
putting photo later.....shops...king st..1953 years
d langley worked.....hardy tv radio electrical...row was timothy whites
/boots...tesco..coombes...hardy....hinton..co op...bakers..with toy shop
in middle.....johnnies greengrocers....carnival kept by white
swan...barn mission....down by bridge canal rspca.timber
yard.....1947...famous abbots og high st and bees...at famous brit fair
industry....in google....
- Re: clothes 50s40s etc..local.shops material rouses west ealing.school.GENERAL
by Phyl Hutnell (Member 10234816) on 21-Oct-2012
Rowse's in West Ealing was a
great department store. I remember going there with my sister and niece
when I was pregnant with our first baby, and my sister bought all the
cot linen for me. We then went over the road to a chemist and had our
ears pierced - my sister, niece and me. Sounds odd now, but didn't seem
it at the time!
I've worn ear rings ever since.
- Re: clothes 50s40s etc..local.shops material rouses west ealing.school.GENERAL
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Oct-2012
it was age..20ish that had mine
pierced.....my aunts always had the pretty little drop earrings...one
unday visit....she did..one ear in bathroom..needle..oldfashioned
way..but myself white green face she could not do the other....I did it
during the night..wore gold sleepers .to work next day...no infection no
trouble...but would not choose that way again....all the front row
woodbine ..cottages 1910
in..ham.paintings...phyl....loads of green..pond etc..all
weathers..church pub tentlow and loads canal ones..up to bulls bridge
junction pub..paintings....1900s years.....rowses...material and
patterns..buttons zips...great...xmas father xmas
grotto...toys......1960 photos our board...film comedy...running around
rowses and west ealing etc...kenneth williams actor etc... ... more >>
- Re: clothes 50s40s etc..local.shops material rouses west ealing.school.GENERAL
by terence patrick hewett (Member 10243212) on 21-Oct-2012
Are the pictures by Ernest Ham of
Southall online anywhere? Managed to locate one of the mounds at back
of wentworth rd on flikr but that is all. Would like to see them all
esp. watersplash lane.
- Re: clothes 50s40s etc..local.shops material rouses west ealing.school.GENERAL
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Oct-2012
in google......your paintings
bbc........ernest a .l.ham....southall....and 7 artist in all southall
and towns local...places views...through decades..what did you think of
mounds and canal...ones......so many generations played mounds and
splash.....rural....
- Re: clothes 50s40s etc..local.shops material rouses west ealing.school.GENERAL
by terence patrick hewett (Member 10243212) on 21-Oct-2012
Hi again Yvonne: which BBC website is that? there are so many of them.
- Re: clothes 50s40s etc..local.shops material rouses west ealing.school.GENERAL
by terence patrick hewett (Member 10243212) on 21-Oct-2012
Found it.
- Re: clothes 50s40s etc..local.shops material rouses west ealing.school.GENERAL
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Oct-2012
good...under .....your
paintings...in google.....hounslow library keep the oil watercolour
paintings...their borough..nice osterley...etc...see who can
recognise....the wall...estate agent .poster southall
green......southall high st.would it be white hart and red
lion...looking west......norwoodbridge old mill..and at night gas
lamps/crowd.....norwood green farm......police pound on frognmore green...bacame
1890 police station.by loel ham..pound move to behind wolf pub..son ern
.austin lucy ham age 6 1881..moved to southall lots siblings
kids......worked cratesman for abbots married local...died
1958...viaduct etc...uxbridge library would hold borough hillingdon
local history paintings.donations etc.beqeathed.......on line
now...whole country.... ... more >>
- Re: clothes 50s40s etc..local.shops material rouses west ealing.school.GENERAL
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Oct-2012
your paintings......says has
option to print at home............painting hay wagon 2 horses.....spire
on st mary virgin...norwood green....1200 very old church...problems
over yrs age..small rural church victorians payed to ...restore
etc..history several places in google..........ham....did some paintings
from pictures he saw...........spire in painting not flat top...weather
vane on top.....so which year approx did spire go....phylis....thanks ..best wishes....... ... more >>
- Re: clothes 50s40s etc..local.shops material rouses west ealing.school.GENERAL
by Zeta Stanley (Member 10256988) on 21-Oct-2012
Thanks Yvonne for the info on the paintings, I will look into that.
- Re: clothes 50s40s etc..local.shops material rouses west ealing.school.GENERAL
by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 21-Oct-2012
The actual address for Ernest Ham if anybody wants to paste into their Browser is
http://www.bbc.co.uk/arts/yourpaintings/artists/ham-ernest-a-l-18741958
- Re: clothes 50s40s etc..local.shops material rouses west ealing.school.GENERAL
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Oct-2012
thanks ernest austin lucy
ham..unusual...good luck zeta..wonder how much cost..and size...the
boards .painted oils are less than a foot...held at local
libaries....warm interpretation of local social history paintings oil of
watercolour can be more pleasing than..rare photo or postcard of
decades ago....if lucky photos were taken..luck of rare camera back
then..when time I could easily ..sketch my
childhood home southall interior and out..memories.or the corridors at
school....ha..took just couple rare photo chance ..of work place..early
years..tony has early one of huge size computer..early workplace..b/w
photo...his couple mates there... ... more >>
- Re: clothes 50s40s etc..local.shops material rouses west ealing.school.GENERAL
by Jean Kirby (Member 10268700) on 22-Oct-2012
Hi I notice that you have
comments on this subject from a Terence Hewitt and I am wondering if
this is the Terry Hewitt that lived in Wentworth Road I think it was
number 67 and had an older brother and sister Pat and Peter. I have
looked ast the photos that you are talking about which bring back happy
memories.
- Re: clothes 50s40s etc..local.shops material rouses west ealing.school.GENERAL
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Oct-2012
welcome jean .glad you like
photos paintings..our boards..53 of them......mr hewett if you use index
here..he has been on here several yrs...couple yrs ago...pages here he
spoke of wentworth rd....with our member john w..of gone to san
francisco.john family lived wentworth from 1st built 1937......best
wishes....
- Re: clothes 50s40s etc..local.shops material rouses west ealing.school.GENERAL
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Oct-2012
PHYLIS.....got the details
painting..ham...st mary norwood green...spire tower..1st july 1896.earl
jersey there ..opening new..tower there bells....old frail
church...improved by victorians........ham painted of yrs 1890 1900 etc
yrs...so he is remembering the old spire....now flat
tower...belfry..they had to sort out heavy
bells..wood.....stone..stength..victorians payed for
improvements....your lovely
lady vicar showed me all around..took loads photos gt day...spire was
of 1500 years,,,removed ..but ham has it in his...idyllic
paintings..warm nostalgia..beauty..lucky to have.....rare people
bother....then memories lost for ever.. ... more >>
- Re: clothes 50s40s etc..local.shops material rouses west ealing.school.GENERAL
by Jean Kirby (Member 10268700) on 22-Oct-2012
Thankyou Yvonne my parents also
bought their house in Wentworth Road from new, and moved in with my
sister born in 1936, my brother and I were born in the house and as many
other people have we lost contact with those we grew up with.
- Re: clothes 50s40s etc..local.shops material rouses west ealing.school.GENERAL
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Oct-2012
my cousin was born 1936 in the
house west ave..1935 to 1958 we were cousins the
grandchildren...wentworth is ok today....but as ealing do
everywhere...humps all along long rd..reduce speed.....john w..member
was saying...border heston borough hounslow...so
postcode..southall...then history as on parish heston land built.....our
west ave hse built 1928 nan 1st to move in....gdad uncle ..worked great
skills house building those days...for owner rt warren he built
florence rd etc..named after his children......old house at east end
wentworth exactly on edge canal was old dock went around
there....derelict so many yrs from brickfields....boarded but this yr
new flats there on brow of old oak..narrow bridge yr1790s.......house of
yr1800 was demolished 2010....my 1850 onwards family...lived by there
old north star pub row cottages..and also old oak pub..old
dwellings...moved out 1928 and 1957.when..ba demolished old north star
area..built airport employees houses there.....busy bridge west end
wentworth 105 goes heathrow..1952 demolished barracks orphanage
there..boys war memorial and nuns took huge jesus cross statue to
chigwell....scouts parade front yard..farm orchards..mounds kids played
on...as gunpowder made there yr 1800...aeradio office took site worked
in old chapel said it was haunted hundreds orphan boys babies.from poor
parts london.....since 1850.catholic jesuits..boys..age 12 many shipped
off to canada,,slave labour.....northyde rd to hayes ..famous splash
there... ... more >>
- Re: clothes 50s40s etc..local.shops material rouses west ealing.school.GENERAL
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Oct-2012
southall park.26
acres..............1923 lake built...........photo
board4...............of 1909 new park from burnt down dr boyd asylum.14
aug 1883 6 killed including boyd trying to save them..london
gazette.article pictires..board 4 .clifton dudley schools,fatherstone
hall..1935 demolished became dominion cinema..board4...
- Re: clothes 50s40s etc..local.shops material rouses west ealing.school.GENERAL
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Oct-2012
denis....you spoke of shops
southall green and horse trough......street view van camera going
round..think summer 2008 approx....google.....the trough still there
now...metropolitan.water.horse cattle fountains and troughs......one in
middle duel carriageway..opposite viaduct..ealing hospital...one heston
village opposite church....southall green photo trough board 43..page
1...with telephone box..trough
.outside east side brophy sweet shop///which goes round into..osterley
pk rd..library..shows hospital corner..norwood southall front old gentry
house going round..with wards overlooking manor hse
gardens......board6.page1.photo..snooker hall above at east corner
alexandra ave..diy wallpaper paint shop ripolin north side
there,,optician.chemist.west corner alexandra...supermarket at several
names over the yrs....traffic 1983 to lights at crossrds lady marg
rd.town hall.... ... more >>
- Re: clothes 50s40s etc..local.shops material rouses west ealing.school.GENERAL
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 24-Oct-2012
I well remember that old Horses'
water trough over the Green, Southall on Page 1 of Southallboard43. In
fact, it reminded me of the time when one of the boys we were walking
with had a drink out of it as he was so thirsty. That's something that I
always remember that we were often dying for a drink of water when we
had been out all day. No plastic bottles of water in those days. It was
always worse after
walking from Hanwell Park, as we used to call it, down Burns Avenue to
Northcote Avenue.The photos of the Roundabout and the Playground Horse
are the best ones I have seen on Southallboard 43. Just like the ones in
Spikes Bridge Park! ... more >>
- Re: clothes 50s40s etc..local.shops material rouses west ealing.school.GENERAL
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Oct-2012
yes we played on the roundabout
and horse.......think was witch hat there also..seemed to titch me..huge
high hot metal..slide...trough outside heston church..last couple
yrs.volunteers photos work there full to brim.with polyanthums..gt
colours yellow red.all bright colours...think this 2008 southall green
one on walking pavement went.to duel carriageway middle at viaduct
uxbridge rd..photo we have...tony
I always take bottle tap water with us..car then out for
walks.....great walks about..lovely views..all things....quiet off
beaten track..away from traffic...nice weathers...binolulars
camera...red kite 8 swoop over harefield hills village..285 ft above sea
level..to river crane and canal middx..we had them at hill clinb high
wycombe but they are spreading..some fields chilterns put meat out for
them...heron ruislip lido..cormorants...fish increasing about..but dead
bream..old age on weir at rickmandsworth union canal..by middlesex
border ... more >>
- Re: clothes 50s40s etc..local.shops material rouses west ealing.school.GENERAL
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 24-Oct-2012
Yes, the Witch's Hat was there,
but we just called it the big Roundabout. I rarely went on that as the
boys made it go so fast it became dangerous! They used to rock it!
- Re: clothes 50s40s etc..local.shops material rouses west ealing.school.GENERAL
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Oct-2012
yes was going to say the danger
of rock it...and swings..if they went making to try and send them up
too high....soft pad ground rubber health safety today...but side temple
of the head with knock was worry...shiny high metal slide........3
different views now of sub station...in detail door...windows boarded
old roof..red brick dilloways..on board43 etc....6 ...has got houses
road wentworth and northcote
ave......romayne family southall green meadow fields owned land...1359
to 1497..so romans house till demolished 1934..was oldest house..welch
owned it and built high wall windows in it..kids called it welch
folly...widen rd..hansen build the dominion..and gracie fields opened it
14 oct 1935.shut 1982,,,boarded,,demolished for new art
centre....cardinal wolsey stayed at the romans southall green..west
side..1860s was medina dairy.....wolsey while henry 8th deer stalking at
the dormans lord manor dormers lane to syon pk deer ... more >>
- Re: clothes 50s40s etc..local.shops material rouses west ealing.school.GENERAL
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Oct-2012
denis.....you spoke of trough
near dilloways.......photos couple different troughs southall areas...on
boards.......6/7/8..etc....bottom bit liitlle stone tray for dogs they
say....1890 metropolitan society..troughs cattle horses
everywhere.....hanwell bridge oppsite viaduct...one now.2012 ..opposite
new ealing hospital....broadway photo ripolin wall paper paints..top
alexandra ave snooker....corner
norwood green drinking ftn.....site green of old football...ground
southall club..photo.....photos wentworth rd.....and northhhyde near
fern lane.1936 new north star...facade kept but 2012 new tesco
inside...photo...etc etc... ... more >>
- Re: clothes 50s40s etc..local.shops material rouses west ealing.school.GENERAL
by Jean Kirby (Member 10268700) on 25-Oct-2012
Regarding the opening of the
Dominion my parents often spoke of being there, it was something of a
highlight to them. They were very young and coming to the end of their
first year of marriage aged 19 and 21. They always held Gracie Fields
with the greatest affection.
- Re: clothes 50s40s etc..local.shops material rouses west ealing.school.GENERAL
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 25-Oct-2012
Jean-I was also at the opening perfotmance of the Dominion-do you know what year that was?
- Re: clothes 50s40s etc..local.shops material rouses west ealing.school.GENERAL
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 25-Oct-2012
Thanks Yvonne yes remember
small trough for dogs i think theres an inscription on the
trough must look & take a pic next time im in Southall
- Re: clothes 50s40s etc..local.shops material rouses west ealing.school.GENERAL
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 25-Oct-2012
There was a cast iron
enameled drinking fountain in Spikes Bridge park nr, the swings
& slide ect. for many years, seems to have vanished in
the 1960s i think it was light blue/gray must have dated
back to the opening of the park itself
- Re: clothes 50s40s etc..local.shops material rouses west ealing.school.GENERAL
by Jean Kirby (Member 10268700) on 25-Oct-2012
micheal:- Yvonne had put it down
as October 1935 which would be about the right time although I was not
aware myself of the exact date
- Re: clothes 50s40s etc..local.shops material rouses west ealing.school.GENERAL
by roycouch (Member 10232168) on 25-Oct-2012
I was always under the impression that the big store in Ealing was `Rowses`. Just shows how time distorts one`s memory.
- Re: clothes 50s40s etc..local.shops material rouses west ealing.school.GENERAL
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Oct-2012
jean...ha just got in..ha...did
quick reply.so tired gt day out.rush hr traffic back though
..ha.....put.reply JEAN in down next one..ha......great day out we had
car...so hold on to your hats...changes......white hart greenford rd by
was prefabs..empty.pulled down..boards..over 10yrs..must
be....today..nearly finished office or flats;;whole large
site.....redlion closed...taylor woodrow by canal...just
finishing huge area flats offices...by civil engineer pub...BY CANAL
BRIDGE HIGH MODERN GLASS buildings now.......wiseman catholic school 6th
form college opposite red lion greenford high st....huge ..lite
up...high glass out on pavement....science
labs....library...restaurant...11 yr old kids leaving deep blue
jackets.....staff car pk full...ha..dont know how they manage...huge
school behind ..lots land...92 bus still turns bus lane only ..north
from ironbridge....cars still up near dormers lane to turn back for
greenford rd....norwood green lovely...extra buildings on
.the.horticultural college historic building..now sikh school...OVER10
YRS DERELICT OLD YR1800 HOUSE BRIGDE REGINA RD...BOARDS LAST 3 YRS HUGE
HOLE THERE CANAL..STOP..LOCK AREA TURNING HOLE..MASSIVE TREES..TODAY
JUST FINISHIN..3 BLOCKS WATERSIDE FLATS...NORTHYDE LITTLE FRAGILE CANAL
BRIDGE..WITH GARDEN THEY HAVE MADE ONTO CANAL..OAK PUB.OPPOSITE
OPEN..B.AND B.DINNERS.AND PUB....NEW DECO SIGN.SOUTHALL REC...ALL
PHOTOS..IN NEXT FEW WEEKS WILL POST...SWANS CANAL..NEW NORTH STAR
PUB..OF 1936...OPEN FRONT GLASS DOOR BUST LITE UP..TESCO INSIDE..PUB
FACADE..ETC ETC.. ... more >>
- Re: clothes 50s40s etc..local.shops material rouses west ealing.school.GENERAL
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Oct-2012
ROY...........ROWSES WEST EALING
NORTH SIDE.......EALING BROADWAY SANDERS...BENTALLS....BIG
STORES....LIKEd WEST EALING ALL IN ROW BHS...M AND S woolworths
daniels...north side...xmas father xmas grotto
rowses.......toys.....etc..huge store so many yrs.....gren man
pub..pulled down few yrs ago...historic pub.....
- Re: clothes 50s40s etc..local.shops material rouses west ealing.school.GENERAL
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 25-Oct-2012
Thanks Jean-I would have been 7, so would have gone to the Dominion with my mum and dad.
- Re: clothes 50s40s etc..local.shops material rouses west ealing.school.GENERAL
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Oct-2012
len 1925 would have been
10...watched in crowd tore trousers on railings st anselm school area
manor hse....jean did.reply...but just in day out tired...put at
down.....next....place down..in red there.....oct 14 1935.....several
nice articles in google.......photos our boards..6//7//8//and to 53
boards flickr photstream...3 yrs work there now..photos..text...memories
nostalgia southall and local..areas...
- Re: clothes 50s40s etc..local.shops material rouses west ealing.school.GENERAL
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Oct-2012
denis....inscription..granite...metropolitan drinking fountain and
cattle trough....shows better on our outside heston church photo
board....google has lots on them and photos....mr meads says southall
high st had one going near lady marg rd...opposite.dilloways and gem
southall green..1859 started london..1877 loads about........extra
photos substation elect.on our boards around back.......uxbridge
rd dormers..trough..think that is now at viaduct/........mr meads said
1981 they moved wolf pub...one..norwood green.....today..western
mkt...along from western rd....off canal...all being dug up now huge
area...was complex mkt...20/30yrs,,,,,but closed nearly 7 or so yrs
ago...had..huge tall fountain historic there...spire fountain...like the
one ..kew bridge brantford mkt...by thames...... ... more >>
- Re: clothes 50s40s etc..local.shops material rouses west ealing.school.GENERAL
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Oct-2012
jean and all......put my reply to
you next section down.........denis las of series tonight 7pm.....it is
gabby polish usa pilot spitfire....northolt
1943.......southallboard54@yahoo.com.......flickr
photostream.photosharing..in google......ten pin bowling wimpey front
bar..slogan..come in dont be miserable and get.FED up....lady marg rd
post office ..by alley..was martin sweets....sheep out front
school had lady marg primary...2012..manor hse ..huge corner was
victory pub..king st.now modern block all around........grove hse north
rd..many yrs vetinery family........ripolin.wallpaper by alexandra
ave..photo 1904 1 st built with empty behind west ave etc was
brickfields......playground.on old pond dutch canal. and huge norwood
green...hanwell bridge 1904 rebuilt widen for new trams..asylum
wall...extended all along.......1934 pony track races greenford...and
2012 photos lovely days out west middlesex ..exquisite
areas....beauty..countryside..parks grounds..waterways rivers hills
etc..nature sheer beauty....tube train..fascinating london thames and
all interests......and beauty ... more >>
- Re: clothes 50s40s etc..local.shops material rouses west ealing.school.GENERAL
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 26-Oct-2012
Thank you Yvonne what side
Polish Spit at 7 please, see also last Battle of Britain
pilot died this week
- Re: clothes 50s40s etc..local.shops material rouses west ealing.school.GENERAL
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Oct-2012
YES HE WAS IN LATE 90S LOVELY
PERSON HEARD HIM SPEAK...GT PEOPLE..GRATITUDE...CHANNEL 5 ..7PM,,,WAS
YESTERDAY WATCHED...REPEAT TODAY...AMAZING FIGHTER..ACE POLISH..FOR HIS
POLISH FAMILY AND FATHER LAND..NORTHOLT 1943.....POST OFFICE LADY MARG
RD OUR ..54 BOARD PHOTOS...AND SHEEP AT LADY MARG SCHOOL......PROBABLY
60S....ETC..LOTS PHOTOS OSTERLEY OUR VISIT THIS WEEK THERE AUTUMN
COLOURS SERVANTS BELOW STAIRS ETC...TV SERVANTS LAST WEEK GOOD SERIES.....CANAL SUMMER PHOTOS GT,,2012 ... more >>
- Re: clothes 50s40s etc..local.shops material rouses west ealing.school.GENERAL
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 26-Oct-2012
Thanks, had my post office savings account at Lady Marg. post office still got my book
- Re: clothes 50s40s etc..local.shops material rouses west ealing.school.GENERAL
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Oct-2012
yes little bks they were....photo
...shows alley right side at post office...but gates blocked now most
alleys are.....stop..wrong people getting round back....inside osterley
house this week autumn trees..exhibit filming 60 or so..tv cinema..there
diana dors film 2012 batman..cedars trees pond ...deb kerr
film.....huge maps on walls...lord jersey owning so much land..southall
green dormers..heston..huge
size maps..spread of areas.......huge walk in safe room..olympic
torch..osterley involved...coins huge colllection each year back...far
back in history...then also greek roman coins also.....tony liked sword
collection in safe...1953 photo flats opposite southall
park...northcote.pub...wagon horses pub hayes bridge had a
trough........1899 bassett liquorice allsort s..start
rinso..oxydol.tide..omo.austerity yrs.no colour print package...last
episode war farm good.and choir..gt..tv... ... more >>
- Re: clothes 50s40s etc..local.shops material rouses west ealing.school.GENERAL
by Jack (Member 10165328) on 26-Oct-2012
Denis - I hope you don't mind me
pointing this out, but that Battle of Britain pilot was not the last one
to die - he was the oldest at 99. There are still something like 60
younger ones left alive.
- Re: clothes 50s40s etc..local.shops material rouses west ealing.school.GENERAL
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Oct-2012
new museum opened this year
contact for tour..open to public...rooms at present
polish..war.raf..northolt airport...photos in google of
displays..also.new ...cleaned....huge polish memorial..western ave 2 yrs
ago unveiled..huge shiny eagle on top....photos new.in google...over
60yrs..very interesting...most yr red white huge displays there
..pond..squadron names all around..... duke kent there every
yr....spitfire hurricane models..large at entrances....photos in
google...pilots go for reunion...war planes go over....etc..interesting
in google.. ... more >>
- Re: clothes 50s40s etc..local.shops material rouses west ealing.school.GENERAL
by Ronald Cox (Member 10259196) on 27-Oct-2012
Thank you Yvonne for the info via Zeta.
War Farm should be interesting as my sister was in the Land Army in Devon & I would visit each summer school holidays.
- Re: clothes 50s40s etc..local.shops material rouses west ealing.school.GENERAL
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Oct-2012
gt to hear you RON ..lots of love
to the family..still have gt group photo..warfarm should be on the
computer bbc...iplayer..free...one of the best things they have done and
1950 midwives on their bikes...bbctv so real today..interesting and
entertaining..funny..and marvellous people in it..my cousins heston were
land army war2.....she said the work was extremely hard..but they had
come from mkt gardening
rural stock of people..cranford lane north hyde.....nan and cousins
photo of them there fields war food war1.1917 photo....denis..myself
have watched the channel 5 tvseries war pilots...bader etc and the
aces..fighters..northolt spitfires etc...northolt airport still
busy..had typhoons for olympics.security.spitfire hurricanes for
veteran war2 pilots who visit..displays..dad worked heston airport..now
golflinks...sincere good wishes ron..thankyou.....ytxx ... more >>
- Re: clothes 50s40s etc..local.shops material rouses west ealing.school.GENERAL
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 27-Oct-2012
Thanks Jack my mistake
- Re: clothes 50s40s etc..local.shops material rouses west ealing.school.GENERAL
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 27-Oct-2012
I felt really sad when the last
episode of Wartime Farm finished on BBC2 this week. It wasn't until you
saw them all walking away from the farm (after their 1945 celebrations)
that it brought you up with a jolt that they were only acting it all
out. Ruth Goodman as a social and domestic historian, and Alex Langlands
and Peter Ginn, the Archaeologists. At least we csn still watch all the
Episodes 1/8 again on BBC2
i-player. A really wonderful series.
(Sorry - I put this on the thread below by mistake).
Reply ... more >>
- Re: clothes 50s40s etc..local.shops material rouses west ealing.school.GENERAL
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Oct-2012
YES WILL WATCH AGAIN TODAY 5.15
BBC2....LOVELY UNIVERSITY PEOPLE.PRESENTERS..SO THRILLED TO GET AWAY
FROM THEIR BOOKS..AND LIVE IT THEMSELVES..BRINGS IT SO TRUE ..GREAT
HUMOUR AMOUNST THE HARDSHIP.COSTUME..FARM EQUIPMENT..LOST OLD
SKILLS...WHICH WE WOULD HAVE TO RESTORE TO USE IF WE LOOSE MODERN..LIFE A
BIT........WISH WE COULD HAVE HAD THESE SORT OF PROGRAMMES IN THE 1960S
50YRS AGO..OUR AUNTS GRANDPARENTS COULD HAVE SEEN..THEY WOULD HAVE LOVED IT...AUSTRALIA..NEWZEALAND ARE KEEN TO SEE...WELL DONE BBC...... ... more >>
- Re: clothes 50s40s etc..local.shops material rouses west ealing.school.GENERAL
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 27-Oct-2012
I see the air historical branch archives have moved to Northolt from Queen Annes gate
- Re: clothes 50s40s etc..local.shops material rouses west ealing.school.GENERAL
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Oct-2012
yes ..so proud of northolt..1912
proposed may 1915 .1919...years..started planes....polish records held
there.services own post office there and queens flight..all started
there in last few yrs..huge open wide areas now entrances
two..gates...gun patrol started with ira ,,now terrorism...plane
spotters..1920s30s hanworth middlesex also....bought by hotel now .mall
admiralty arch just plan pass by westminster
council...5star hotel..will look splendid cleaned.kept looking
great..facade..like westminster abbey big ben etc..cleaned so many yrs
ppollution st pauls white gt..of wren....horseguards.parade
area...tidied looks fantastic..admiralty arch by edward 7th for his
mother victoria.....the ivy masked huge plain..concrete corner..in
london books of hidden.interests says...hidden tunnels there.....along
is back of number 10 churchills war rooms.....london is so gt days out.. ... more >>
|
|
canal.....and general
|
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Oct-2012
|
todays national news..english heritage...canal repairs...hanwell locks
£90000 in the coming yr lock gates..date at gate 1888 refurbish...some
gates other parts have 1914 repair year..wood...last 10yrs .government
money payed for annual..cleaning ...tow paths etc etc...which looks
splendid..lots waterfowl fish etc but recession now.....staines and
boulters maidenhead with splendid metal gates..au tomated
press button and expensive yachts go through..locks...lots nostalgia
memory local photos all yrs on boards 17/18/3/10/12 /43 to
53.etc...conservative club behind southall town hall..toilets at
railings.high st there..3 old pence slot car racing.by shop....holy
trinity hall photos top lady marg rd.. ... more >>
- Re: canal.....and general
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 12-Oct-2012
Yes, it will look splendid.
There is more heritage than realised with the Grand Union, and I can
clearly remember the barge traffic ending almost exactly 50 years ago.
Martin Brothers used the canal to prevent damage to their pottery ware
as once it was on the barge, it was a smooth journey to London (that is
why they moved to Southall) as the roads were so bad, anything going by
road could have got
broken. It is a magnificent asset and I am glad it is going to be
restored. So much heritage has been lost - - people today just don't
realise. I can remember Hounslow's last orchard being grubbed out
(near Hounslow West station) to make way for more buildings only in
about 1960 - Hanworth "Nurserylands" all gone to housing (and
Sainsbuys). It is relentless. . I am glad money is being found to
save some of our heritage.
... more >>
- Re: canal.....and general
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 12-Oct-2012
Nice to hear some of old Middx being restored instead of demolished (Sipson)
- Re: canal.....and general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Oct-2012
glad you liked the
news......pauline just received post/wartime farm 1943 years...excellent
booklets ..can ask several copies....use email...gave
you..here......free..so attractive colourful..full
info..lovely..presentation..last night episode loads in it ..interesting
and fun..her flour sack red check dress..kids..honey sandwiches..the
tractor scoop and tie bales hay from grass graveyard..pence children
got..so many employed tents...dried egg ..gi jive....lots local..social
history memories on the other free on line southall site with
photos...several there..love it and senior members give valuable.long
ago memories......bbc tv open uni correspondence courses..going to ask
for wales now.to be posted...so interesting bbc tv last night .coal
etc..the rows of front door on pavement labourers
cottages....etcetc...my aunts partner was 1909 coal mines welsh
family.later age 14 ...came to west middlesex settled.carpenter....other
developed countries world..long time says uk..has many more
associations..preservation..conservation heritage..tourists come to
us.....millions manor hse yr1500 southall..etc...ruislip village yr 1300
castle mott bailey..manor hse etc...local history societies since
1930s....tirelessly try so hard...influence and achieve..recent yrs gov
heritage lottery dept...millions raised....nnational trust..english
heritage..gazette..often with retro page and planning..people keep
trying...balance..to the future...more than other countries do.... ... more >>
- Re: canal.....and general
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 12-Oct-2012
Wonderful news about canal
repairs. As we lived in Bankside in 1936, I have some lovely memories of
the Grand Union canal. I was five years old, but can remember as if it
was yesterday the sound of the barges chugging along at night. I would
jump out of bed when I heard the chugging, to see the barge with its
lights on. The magnificent shire horses used to pull their heavy cargo
along in the daytime. My
father used to take us for walks along the far end of Bankside, and we
would pick blackberries on the way on the hedges, and see the occasional
kingfisher. The towpath along Bankside had May trees growing. and in
those days there were no cars, unlike the photos today! ... more >>
- Re: canal.....and general
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 12-Oct-2012
It's strange Yvonne that you
mention "Wartime Farm" again and the booklet available. As I have had
problems in contacting the OU on line. I have today just phoned them on
0845-366-0257 (local rate). You just have to leave your nsme and address
They say "please allow up to 28 days for delivery." After watching the
6th series last night, I made up my mind to get the booklet!! One thing
which I had never heard
of was that young children were paid to gather plants for medicinal
purposes which were normally supplied from abroad. ... more >>
- Re: canal.....and general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Oct-2012
yes so interesting pharmaceutical
company..that sticky weed plant they collected so much of it process
for infection use..more money if collect the other one...back to bygone
days of..natural hedgerow wild plant remededies...just used the email
again..for hist wales..yes month and booklets arrive.....get few copies
gt for kids shool..illustrated so well....curriculum..several yrs
now..1sy 2nd wars
etc.....page of huge photos shopping..van says council.food
collection...women in turban snoods like my munitions aunt
wore...counter grocer birds egg powder..libbys...lyons..etc..glass front
along boxes biscuits see top layer.....but half hr on goole not
found......pkt..says huge letters I-T...carrot pancake..and yorkshire
pudding mix....independent trader..or what.....name of grocer
chain..or.....not found I-T on google....2nd world wartime photos...old
till...3 old pence tab popped up..in top glass showing rung up
cost...national butter special marg photos...you will get just over 3
wks time..milton keynes.2nd class mail. ... more >>
- Re: canal.....and general
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 12-Oct-2012
I think it was the Foxgloves
which were the most expensive plant used for medicinal purposes. I
always remember as a child we were told about Deadly Nightshade,
Laburnum and Foxgloves which were poisonous. There was a large Laburnum
tree in the garden of one of the private houses in Northcote Avenue, and
the branches were overhanging very low. We were always told not to
touch it or the berries!
- Re: canal.....and general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Oct-2012
yes have healthy careful
knowledge of nature and poisons...elderberry..wild about..tonys dad with
concorde going over 4pm regulairly..had his old shed homemade
wine..that thatch..nettles pick when whole root long comes up...lay flat
with the .pegging...and great roof...keep turning drying herbs etc in
shed then sell it for medicines..so much in an hour...bees in the
foxglove great flowers..bare hands
at the right time when they are well fed dont sting...home made
baskets..queen bee in one..and they all flooded in...lovely runny honey
tipped out..comb...bbc tv today..bethnal green museum childhood.v and
a,,next to central line tube station free ..been several times..top
floor was gt beatrix potter....today esther rantzen opened .muffin
mule.teletubbies..1948 to 2012 .changes.tv radio..clothes.. free
milk....music.holidays.toys.exams..and photos..v and a also gt
exhition.kensington...cinema costume clothes of the
famous...fantastic...through all the yrs......from hollywood
collection...tonight bbc last episode servants below stairs
..nan..heston northhyde..age 13/4..sent off ...must be maid all
work...several many cousins on family tree servants west ealing ealing
broadway...turn century.......and cranford lane her grandparents...ag
lab..farm servants both of them....and heston house gentry place
there...they all did washing ironing for...many yrs...kids my aunt took
it back flat ironed fire...old dwelling cottage they all squeezeed into
like most families did....so heston marriage was after 4 kids had been
baptised there...they were not allowed to be married and keep the
job......uni historian..is great presenter as they all are..social..real
ordinary people lives....handful of great presenters we are lucky..yrs
ago would have had to go to uni lecture presentation.... ... more >>
- Re: canal.....and general
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 12-Oct-2012
Yes, Denis, I agree. There is so little left
Interesting few photos of Heath Row village pre-1935 still exist and to think all Middlesex was like that 100 years ago
- Re: canal.....and general
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 13-Oct-2012
Keith i remember going to
Heatrow trough Cranford all farms & market gardens the
remains of Heston aerodrome What a lovely county we all grew
up in
- Re: canal.....and general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-Oct-2012
always keep that large field
open..by queens head pub cranford..fullers still open...we pulled up car
watched concorde last flights there...open spaces around airport kept
to help pilots....week now hard work..trying to get links family
tree..online records.mkt gardeners..cranford lane northhyde..etc...nans
uncle mkt gardener left huge probate 1937 heston wingrove..those who did
the mkt runs and had
greengrocer shop..could build money..gdad turn of century drove mkt
garden produce to covent garden by viaduct pub as they all pulled up
very early hrs morning liquid breakfast....got wingrove white mkt garden
employer 1911 living at grange attached to friars lawn.norwood
green..his father mkt gardener cranford many yrs married to our ann
wingrove...another week need to keep digging for link..her father was
john wingrove 30 acres farmer hillingdon 1850s....we were from long line
john wingrove..from 1700s.....west middlesex mkt garden.for
london..dense growing population..lots cherry apple pear trees...fields
strawberrys..my aunts friend like 100s other shropshire lasses came to
harvest..fruit...annually...jam factories biscuit jam by canal...nan my
aunt worked..but they made little bit better life gradually with
modern.middx factories etc..tonys dad lived on old heathrow site
1918..age 13/4 terrible gravel work.etc father by 3 magpies cottage hard
farm work...tonys dad made little bit better money.dwellings life was
NOT honey.several generations...later after army war..factories..for
tony to go grammar school and modern life...nice to have balance..still
little bridge goes into cranford park....cars etc..allows us all..get
countryside...keep try protect it.. ... more >>
- Re: canal.....and general
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 14-Oct-2012
Re I-T COULD IT BE INTERNATIONAL TEA CO. or INTERNATIONAL STORES?
- Re: canal.....and general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-Oct-2012
you are
marvellous............thanks so much..grateful...yes you hear of
them..all yrs..I-T.in huge letters on packets..war yrs...opie is good
many yrs now museum packaging .....yes you will like the booklet
photos..board 16 got photos....they are all pleased with tudor rd
infants across to juniors photos.....1955 yrs .although..some..talk of
.southall before yrs.......prefab hut..nap.....we also did
a lay head on desk..infants 15 mins before home bell....greenford ave
1945 photo more people recognise street party lived 91..77..etc..smiths
crisps photo war paper ration..bag....beano annual 2013.with dennis on
cover..£3.86..says 75.... ... more >>
- Re: canal.....and general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-Oct-2012
google has
it.....yes...slogan...greatest grocers in world..london
based..international tea co ltd stores kearley tonges....became
somerfield eventually......our series photos of changes..west corner of
alexandra ave.....street view hot july day camera van sunny.has.co op on
the corner.2008 ish.......photos later gateway there..then
somerfield....oh..have just put photo on...proposed redevelop of broadway...enlarges full screen.... ... more >>
- Re: canal.....and general
by Jack (Member 10165328) on 14-Oct-2012
Hello.all. I have just
rediscovered this site which I have not visited for years. I used to
live in Western Road Southall as a boy and I remember my mum pushing me
in my pushchair to see the water rats, as she called them, in the canal
many times. I used to play football in the rec and went to school at
Featherstone Road infants and juniors and then Southall Grammar school.
My sister, who is 8 years
older, also went to the Grammar school. My dad used to be a bus driver
and sometimes he would stop the 105 bus outside our house to pick me up
if he was on that route - so funny. I will read some more about
Southall, its all very interesting and takes me back. ... more >>
- Re: canal.....and general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-Oct-2012
welcome jack...105 bus stop still
just before brent rd and junction pub of bridge over..we took 105 to
heathrow......bus stop has new primary school there with featherstone rd
boys war memorial with soldier statue on top by fence...western rd
school girls gone now.....couple of our members dads were buses driver
conductor........southall garage opposite asylum and hanwell high st
garage..trolleys...
- Re: canal.....and general
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 14-Oct-2012
We also sang a little prayer before the bell went, and we went home in the afternoon from Tudor Roaad Infants School.
Hands together, softly so. Little eyes shut tight. Father just before we
go. Hear our prayer tonight, Amen. I still remember the tune.
- Re: canal.....and general
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 15-Oct-2012
Welcome back Jack. Stay on our bus!
- Re: canal.....and general
by Jack (Member 10165328) on 15-Oct-2012
Thanks for welcoming me to your site. It's got me thinking lots about the past now, I hope I don't bore you all!
My paternal grandad was born in Acton Green in 1875, but his parents and
siblings were in Featherstone Road Southall soon after that I believe.
My paternal grandmother came from Shropshire and I think travelled to
Southall by boat. She is recorded as living at Norwood Locks on their marriage
certificate in 1898. Anyway, Dad was born in Church Road Southall in
1918. His mum died when he was only 6 years old of a burst appendix and
she is buried in havelock cemetary. There is a huge asian temple
opposite there now. Then he lived with his Dad but was not too happy.
When his half sister married in 1925, she got a house opposite in
Western Road, which is the one I grew up in. Dad lived with them after
that. We lived near the top of Western Road - what I knew as the Girls
school was right behind our house, I used to watch for my sister and
wave at her sometimes from our garden. The buses used to terminate and
turn round at Brent Road. Down Brent Road, and I think it was called
Scots Road, there were a lot of industrial places. My mates and I used
to go there and play by the canal and railway line - my mum had a fit
went she found out! I had an aunt and uncle in Greenland Crescent. I had
better stop now, so many memories flooding back. ... more >>
- Re: canal.....and general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Oct-2012
wondered how the shropshire women
travelled all yrs 1800s to northhyde etc....my aunt born 1914 there
knew jane cotton..came to pick fruit..annually but stayed...100s came
every yr.orchards mkt gardening.harvest work..lived in huts....southall
heston..transported veg fruit for.for the london mkt.hay for london
horses brought back manure canal.......canals cheap way for workers
travel...and my family
tree the lanes.travelled..fields farms to next ..work their
way...surprised how far they travelled work and pay the rent...nan
family timberlake wingrove is from wingrove 1802 norwood green southall
green baptism s records..gdad northhyde..1850...brickfields...1897
wingrove nutley.ours moved into waltham rd by gas works...as work
expanded and rows workers cottages got built...scotts rd..crown cork
factory and scotsman pub.....plan of 6 pages 2012 photos board19
pedestrian southall broadway lots of trees.... ... more >>
- Re: canal.....and general
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 15-Oct-2012
Jack-I was most interested to
read that your dad was a driver on the 105 route.My dad was a conductor
and for much of the war years and after he was on the 120 route.He
retired in 1954.
Good to have you aboard.
- Re: canal.....and general
by Jack (Member 10165328) on 15-Oct-2012
Yes, dad was on the buses for
quite a few years after working for EMI in Hayes for about 20 years. He
used to take me out in his delivery van full of records in the summer to
give mum a break. Then he qualified as an RAC and MOT driving
instructor and tried that, but ended up back with London Transport at
Uxbridge Road bus garage. He retired as an instructor on the buses at
Chiswick. There was a little
corner shop near our house, we knew it as Mrs Keiths. She had a
daughter Geraldine who went to school with my sister. Nextdoor to us was
John and Margaret Couch. I remember the house on the other side had an
aviary, then they left and asians moved in. In about 1962 I started
aircraft spotting and collected plane registration numbers. I used to
walk from Western Road to Heathrow airport with a packed lunch and stay
out all day. Sometimes I would get the Green Line bus and go to Gatwick
as well. Also would walk to Northolt RAF base all in same day, great fun
and no mobile phones etc to tell mum what I was doing. Left school in
1970, and mum and dad moved to a flat at top of Lady Margaret Road near
Taylor Woodrows. Got a job with Nat West Bank at their Southall branch.
Got married in 1976 and lived in West Norwood and Tulse Hill for a while
then came back to a maisonette in Northolt. Then to a house in
Northolt, now in Hitchin Hertfordshire. ... more >>
- Re: canal.....and general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Oct-2012
ROY COUCH OUR MEMBER..his family
southall green many yrs..3 tuns pub darts.had hardy shop in king
st....united dairy by the old electric sub station dilloways..by old gem
flee pit cinema.most moved out by 1970.....for yr now new huge open
entrances northolt airport..old guards hut small narrow entrance
gone...huge models hurrican spitfire on display...new museum open to
public..has polish war display...woodrow.demolish
photos on our boards..new marina flats..shroppies famous came over
100yrs to harlington.heston northhyde mkt gardening...top lock by glebe
orchards nurseries..norwood green church behind st mary...our photo
board12 page 2 photo shroppies in field strawberries local 1906....men
came from bucks for harvest..heyward had 300 acres to 1957 it says.1840
they walked 100 miles ironbrdge mines closed a bit..so may 3 mths they
came to middlesex...they walked produce to london market....but canal
rail was growing..jam factories local..gt shropshire weekend break we
enjoyed loads there heritage.industrial revolution..tiles.museum
etc.ironbridge etc etc ... more >>
- Re: canal.....and general
by Jack (Member 10165328) on 15-Oct-2012
My aunty Nellie who lived with us
used to clean the scout hut just up the road, I think it was in Western
Road. Does anyone remember it burning down one night? I vaguely
remember going out and watching the fire with Dad. Must have been
sometime in the early 1960's. So that was the end of the cleaning job.
Nellie used to take me in the hut and let me bash away on an old piano
they had in there while
she worked. Nellie had been brought to Norwood as a baby by my maternal
grandmother from Shropshire. She was born in 1897. Dads mum had been in
service up there and got pregnant! She must have been quite young. Met
my grandad when she came south and he took them both in. I never knew
either of my paternal grandparents, I don't even have a picture of my
grandmother. I only found all this out when I started researching my
family tree. ... more >>
- Re: canal.....and general
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 15-Oct-2012
Welcome aboard this site and
the Denis & Keith aircraft spotters club we did the same
in the 50s, i also lived in Lady Margaret Road
- Re: canal.....and general
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 15-Oct-2012
Yes, I was at "LAP" for the only recorded of a Sud_Est Armagnac (in 1958) I think
Over the last couple of years, a couple of threads have morphed into aircraft spotting threads from those days
- Re: canal.....and general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Oct-2012
think.....pauline mike phylis
denis keith jack..all...in google.might like the bbc site...paintings
southall norwood green 83 by ernest a ham...on line..paintings many yrs
southall library ..now held at ealing library...oils.depict.king st high
st south rd norwood rd....nation put paintings of the country on line
now...he painted about 30 yrs round streets with his easle western rd
etc..station...worked for abbotts.......1900s years..rural etc.... ... more >>
- Re: canal.....and general
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 16-Oct-2012
Thanks Yvonne will have a look if i can find
- Re: canal.....and general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Oct-2012
in google...your
paintings...bbc....ernest ham..southall..73....western rd..canal...oak
pub..junction.pub..bridge northhyde...viaduct .3 bridges..station 1941
painted...guage there......1900yrs out with easle ..he painted...died
1958 southall...mr meads knew him.......dad was ham..clerk wks
joel.....he 1890 organised build of norwood green police station...6
kids....1881 free census.....1911 census
free..ernest and wife age 36 no kids living..florence rd......worked
craftsman for abbots high st........painting pond norwood green dutch
canal....heston church village and splash cranford oil paintings....high
value at bonhams 2008 valuation for ealing library who hold them...to
show public..donated by his family to southall library 1958....manor hse
green paintings...high st..northyde..canal...ernest auston lucy
ham....born 1876..to 1958 buried southall...married southall uxb
reg...to leics .shire girl....age 33 on 1911 census southall....ossulton
villas.norwood rd by king st 3 storey..basement had
servant..painting..there....1900yr..very pretty rural..elms at norwood
green...4 of tentlow lane there.....trees rural ...78 paintings..on
line...enlarge full screen...barn became catholic church
school...fred...paintings victory pub and manor hse....... ... more >>
- Re: canal.....and general
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 16-Oct-2012
Thank you Yvonne for the 73
lovely pictures of "Ernest A.L.Ham Southall 73". I haven't seen the
whole 73, but the ones I have seen are beautiful. Have also found 165
Paintings by him Under "Ernest A.L. BBC".I can't remember if he was born
in Southall?
- Re: canal.....and general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Oct-2012
born bere regis dorset...dad
travelled hamps gosport..devon..shropshire ern was 1881 6yrs old there
then to southall.....your paintings....held ealing libray...5
pages..loads each page..enlarge ..oils...hanwell west ealing ealing
broadway 1950s as well.......very attractive....so few hundred
there..online.....ham...his dad had 5 kids....joel the older son..is
still local also .marries etc......dad
good job..clerk works buildings....so southall lived he got the 1890
police station.norwood green built listed...closed but not been able to
pull down still empty....paintings..site lots river brent
greenford...perivale hanwell...the 5 kids were born..on job
travels...but age 6 ern in shropshire ,born regis dorset.. 1881
census...died 1958..gave to southall library..married southall ...mounds
by 3 members HERE who played at them...4 generations did
that....wentworth rd built on site gunpowder factory 1805..painting
there and ophans cows they milked field farm catholic school st
mary..northhyde.... ... more >>
- Re: canal.....and general
by Jack (Member 10165328) on 16-Oct-2012
Crikey Yvonne, where do you get
all your information? I am just looking at some Southall pictures on
Flickr - Southall Board 17, its fascinating I must say.
- Re: canal.....and general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Oct-2012
jack..sp pleased you like......53
boards photos.....this new google site...your paintings bbc around the
country...from libraries etc..is good in google....few hundred oil
paintings...canal..yr 1900 flat barges cargo..horses on tow
path........glad you like photos 3yrs work.......put click.comments on
any it adds to the interest memories nostalgia..all yrs of
photos.....google has pictures new southall broadway 2013 start....gas area...waiting to start revamp...... ... more >>
- Re: canal.....and general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Oct-2012
pauline.......on the right you
see the other local artists ...if you click on ham...you just get
ham.........wallace..the lady is so skilled ealing.clever beauty work
done by her.......about 165 local paintings.artists.all local
towns.......ham did the canal ones yrs 1900s..local..... and antony
dracup..did local paintings....there......ealing library sold some at
bonhams huge value.........bequeaths paintings..over many yrs to ealing library southall library...of local scenes important places etc.....great local value... ... more >>
- Re: canal.....and general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 17-Oct-2012
MANY PAINTINGS ARE at local
libraries.....ealing...or uxbridge or hounslow...slough langley also
there....king queen at bombed war perivale medway drive.6
killed........librarian in google writes...july aug 1940 350 bombs hit
west london...ealing sept 1940.jul aug..sanders store photos our board
flattened....165 paintings borough ealing .73 by ham......williams
painting 1995 grove house north rd.....penny
store high st southall 1910...and abbotts.......down barn farm...there
and northolt village...airport there....top lock areas
paintings....hanwell west ealing..ealing there...whole country
collection paintings..click in index...shropshire union canal.shroppy
fly..flyboats.fast passenger.pulled by horses go quicker than sedate
pace cargo boats...regular replace horses at stables top of flight
locks....PHYLIS paintings norwood green canal etc..there...snow..the
pond dutch canal in ice..etc....vicarages...st mary plough.pub..norwood
court...of cole landowning family 300yrs..my wingrove 1911 at grange
manor gdns mkt gardener..must be attached to friars with gardend behind
to norwood hall....woodbine and bakers post office painting
there...painter mr ham..dad joel ham..built 1890 .police station..still
empty ..listed building...but 1961 they demolished 1800yr almshouses.my
91 yr old wingrove died there 1893 number 4 ... more >>
- Re: canal.....and general
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 17-Oct-2012
The lovely painting by Ernest Ham
of The Three Bridges reminded me of the walks my dad used to take us
down Windmill Lane, and the first time he showed us the three bridges.
We also used to walk past The Aviary along by a high brick wall, and we
would hear the sound of birds twittering on the other side. I have a
lovely tale in my brother's autobiography when he did some work in the
holidays for Charlie
Woods buiding firm in the Aviary which was owned by a very wealthy man
by the name of Whitney Straite. When I get time I will put it on site. ... more >>
- Re: canal.....and general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 17-Oct-2012
yes love to
read.....thankyou...sultan brunei...another owner aviary high wall
windmill lane at bend.,..villa hse..swim pool ..aerial photos
etc...inside open gates hse on our photos...earl jersey estate osterley
pk....painting 3 bridges steam train..colour horse rope tow barge ..hay
wagon on road.horse...clever brunel he died little while
afterwards...paintings 1900s years flat wide barges on canal
along...there.......lane down to gillettes wonder if hotel yet..they
keep facade.....so warm the paintings oils foot size...view at ealing
library...cosy warmth..attractive..skilled clever..painters...photos
great detail....but flat....brush strokes...human eye..perspective..so
lovely.......165 there in google...many towns in uk..there.views great
buildings places etc....online//from libraries bequeathed etc..... ... more >>
- Re: canal.....and general
by Jack (Member 10165328) on 17-Oct-2012
When I was about 11 years old, my
uncle Danny, who was a builder of sorts and lived in Greenland
Crescent, took me along to help him lay a new flat roof on the sikh
temple that was in Havelock Road at that time. He gave me some pocket
money and I guess it got me out of mums hair for a while in the summer
holidays. They used to put indian food in baskets on a rope and we would
pull it up and eat it
for lunch. I had never eaten anything like that before then. My uncle
and aunty later divorced and he went to Australia. My mum had 9 brothers
and 3 sisters. When I was growing up, one sister lived in Southall, one
in Slough and one in Addlestone. She lost one brother,(Jack),in the war
- RAF, the others I remember were in Yeading, Paddington,
Sittingbourne, Maida Vale, Kew, Bracknell and Eastcote. Only 3 of them
left now. ... more >>
- Re: canal.....and general
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 17-Oct-2012
Great to have you on the site
Jack. I lived in Langley, Bucks from 1956-1972 and was in and out of
Slough with my family, walking and shopping, and travelling on the GWR,
then driving. Like everywhere else, Slough and Langley have changed a
great deal since those days, but I still have some lovely memories.
- Re: canal.....and general
by penny (Member 10265839) on 19-Oct-2012
Interested to read the mention of
the corner shop owned by Mrs Keith. I too went to school with her
daughter Geraldine, first at Western Road, then at Southall Grammar.
Before they owned that shop, they used to live at Canteen Cottages off
North Hyde Lane.
Does anyone know the whereabouts of Barrie Mead who went to the same
schools and lived in Leamington Road with brother Keith? Not on Friends
Reunited.
- Re: canal.....and general
by Jack (Member 10165328) on 19-Oct-2012
Hello Penny. You may know my sister then - Christine Taylor? She lives in Norfolk now, has 3 grandaughters?
- Re: canal.....and general
by penny (Member 10265839) on 20-Oct-2012
I do remember the name Christine
Taylor, but cannot put a face to the name.........will keep on trying to
dredge up a memory! Other names include Carole Tolmie, Ann Birch, Wendy
Sutherland, Jean Webb, Hilary Scott(Derley Road), Lesley Twist, Janet
Perryman, Marilyn Sharland, Linda Harvey(Wentworth Road), Deirdre
Graves, Barrie Mead(Leamington Road), Roy Rowbottom(Brent Road) Paul
Benson, Roger Rosier,
Jimmie Gentsch, Frank Chidley, Danny LeHec(Western Road),Norman
Baker,Raymond Miller, Alan Chidley, Leslie & Tony Boulter (Greenland
Crescent) Stephen Kirby, Leonard Sweales and several others that will
come to mind as soon as I've logged off! ... more >>
- Re: canal.....and general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Oct-2012
best wishes ..we knew chidley
family..quite large..before at mount pleasant by old oak pub.canal..nora
etc chidley family...the when we moved by heston church met the 2
sisters again 1970..nora.chidley..and her large
family..northhyde...would have been southall green also.think clarence
st................rowbottom we knew well west ave areas southall..mr
thompson...here....is of them....LOTS on short
page click top here....rowbottom thompson clarence st reenie
les...smart fair beaches ruffy george flo rowbottom.regina
rd..daniel....west ave greenford ave.. ... more >>
- Re: canal.....and general
by penny (Member 10265839) on 21-Oct-2012
Can someone please tell me
exactly what I have to do to get to see all the wonderful sounding
paintings on the internet? I can't find them!!
- Re: canal.....and general
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 21-Oct-2012
Hi Penny. Just tap in "Ernest A.L. Ham BBC" in Google, and the titles will come up for you to view the beautiful pictures.
- Re: canal.....and general
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 21-Oct-2012
You can also tap in "Ernest A.L.Ham Southall 73".
- Re: canal.....and general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Oct-2012
yes..he paainted them around yrs
1900....out in all weathers with his easle....mr meads writer of
southall knew him...painting..southall green norwood
green...canal....south rd southall high st...some he did from
postcards...we have many postcards on our board...you can see how he
painted from them.....but snow norwwod green famous pond that was
filled in later...famous rows elm trees killed by dutch
elm disease.1970s.......ice canal etc...he painted barges
..cargo...horses etc......7 painters in all local..there also...and
...all over the country paintings there....thousands of them...type in
town you want............your paintings
bbc...........................collections through all the
decades..................memories nostalgia... ... more >>
- Re: canal.....and general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Oct-2012
phylis........you will like
norwood green canal .woodbine 1900years of our families....gt bbc tv
country tracks weekly...norfolk.....fred spoke og like....over wilfs
mothers...the weather .rain...but my aunt uncle southall..lots of
expressions..southall london and cockney......years heard fred say
....over wilfs mothers...etc....tv also reed..for thatch ..lovely
norfolk broads..but war bbc tv..showed...long
root as well,of nettles...dried used for thatch roof also...southall
station platform in rain..also by ham..in january family tree magazine
calendar..on my wall..painting 1910 by ham....not seen..on
paintings.....norfolk..postman..top pops 1960s..have you got light
boy...knocked beatles off charts 60s....we remember all the
music...nelson weekend norfolk museums.school.pub he used..but our
london trafalgar sq annual..ceremony....yarmouth gt sands..we had cromer
crab....wash huge waterfowl ducks etc...harefield middlesex.village
valley by uxbridge gt lakes rivers canal..waterfowl etc. ... more >>
- Re: canal.....and general
by Phyl Hutnell (Member 10234816) on 21-Oct-2012
I've just looked at all those
wonderful paintings by Mr Ham. We've got framed copies of one or two of
them in our home; Tentelow Lane and North Hyde Bridge. I remember St
Mary's church bought some as a retirement pressie for Revd Lawrence when
he retired. One was St Mary's Church and I think another was The
Plough.
- Re: canal.....and general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Oct-2012
lovely oils warm..others ice
snow..hounslow library has the ones ham did of over at heston parish
areas..splash etc......ealing library the others of 73..white northhyde
bridge there.western rd..the old brown narrow one at oak pub
regina..,,,,..top lock....st mary and pub..lovely...zeta here newzealand
wants buy,,print or anything...where did you get yours..ealing southall
library..or new site year
now ..of your paintings.bbc......who have put them on
line............she wants couple of them......southall grammar
reunion..and the old southall tywman local history society had photos of
them displaying at events......cold weather going round southall
etc..with his easle..under foot square on board........southall
station...most places there......hanwell...ealing..etc...rowses and
daniels for baby..mothercare moved in but closed now....green man
listed..so extremely. historic pub..went to housing estate couple yrs
ago..uxbridge rd..west ealing...... ... more >>
- Re: canal.....and general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Oct-2012
roughly how much were they phylis...ham did..
board under foot size oils......what size were your gift
ones......thanks...also...zeta...asked wants buy some...post to
newzealand........he did several from postcards....stay home paint...but
mr meads knew him said he was familiar sight southall..with ihis easle
and paints......southall library bequeath ..they gave them to borough
ealing local history
library upstairs mr oates..ealing brooadway behind...was sanders
store.....73 ish.....160 and more of all painters local....through
decades places and views....but ealing sold couple of high value ones at
bonhams....london auction..... ... more >>
- Re: canal.....and general
by penny (Member 10265839) on 22-Oct-2012
Have found the Ham paintings.
They are beautifully painted and wonderfully evocative. Does anyone
know if they are reproduced in book form, or even as postcards or
calendar which would be available to buy?
- Re: canal.....and general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Oct-2012
he painted some of them from old
postcards...he walked streets southall 1910 years painting....ebay has
some southall and local places...to buy..postcards..local history bks on
line and libraries sell bks full of photos through decades and local wh
smiths shops have.....your paintings...site....read..see if it
says.....can print off...or get prints etc from them....ask library who
has the originals...how can get copy.....mr oates ealing library london w5 or email him.........or phone him...ealing broadway....... ... more >>
- Re: canal.....and general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Oct-2012
the january family tree on sale
dec 2011..has calendar...october has ham..southall station 1910 in
rain...night...have it on my wall....ham paintings are not in
books..ealing library has them 73......for public to view....donated
bequeathed to southall ealing library at his death 1958...with 7 other
local artists bequeaths......yes lovely..rare to get images of past
decades..pity we were not all out
there with cameras...and our past families out there snapping..or
indeed sketching painting.....if anybody wants draw
sketches.plan.names...high st broadway shops..southall ealing southall
hanwell west ealing greenford..will put the page sketch on our photo
boards...yrs changes of shops...memories..1911 census if
fascinating....along there.... ... more >>
- Re: canal.....and general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Oct-2012
open long hours daily....ealing
local.social history library..has huge selection...photos postcards
etc..southall and local areas......to see........all through
yrs......the ham paintings they have 73...plus others...are small..oil
on board less than foot size....watercolours......1958..they have had
them....54 yrs now....this last year they have gone on line for
everybody and abroad to see ..whole country collections...gone ..there on line...history social history towns etc..our country... ... more >>
- Re: canal.....and general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Oct-2012
PENNY YOUR REQUEST ON SHORT PAGE...TODAY....INFO PUT THERE FOR YOU TODAY....BEST WISHES...
- Re: canal.....and general
by penny (Member 10265839) on 23-Oct-2012
Thanks. I meant to put it on
this page so that more people would see it. So, just to recap -
information on Wentworth Road area and North Hyde Docks. Plus does
anyone remember the Saltmarsh family who lived at the top of Wentworth
Road in an older house with huge orchard garden? Children Jeffrey, Alan
and one other boy. I used to babysit for them with my friend Linda
Harvey.
- Re: canal.....and general
by Jean Kirby (Member 10268700) on 23-Oct-2012
Hi Penny I remember the Saltmarsh
family, was the other boy named Stephen? Linda and I also took the two
younger boys out a lot especially Jeffery mainly to the rec' and walks
to the shops in King Street. I also remember the family that lived in
the house before them they had three children John the eldest and twins a
girl whose name I think was Anne I can't remember the boys name the
surname was Selley do you remember them? They also kept a pony which if you were lucky they would let you ride around the garden. ... more >>
- Re: canal.....and general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Oct-2012
our local history social historian all life..has done docks
mounds etc etc
gave you most info.....on short page diagramms maps 3 yrs work in
google...reaearch.....photos etc.......1797 new canal cut
there...1805.gunpowder napolionic wars 1847 jesuit priests 400..more
poor boys from all london .docks.there barrack way..orchards farm kids
tended...age 12 lots shipped of canada slave labour..1914 my
aunt there coal depot barges docks..turn around there.....old
oak.pub..1936 wentworth built as fill in .dock...one bit spur canal,,but
too expensive more there wharfs..so rail track instead take millions
bricks to canal..houses and buck palace nash used....my gtgdad gdad
brick makers there...your docks..1850 etc years to 1920s..then to 1930
southall green bricks......hot kilns 5 days bake....bulls bridge ..and
more docks ...canal wharfs...passingham farms..docks canal produce...new
convent way built on mounds...flats there road in shape of docks
diagram...1st board our photos........etc etc.etc..fast must
rush...loads work to do ... more >>
- Re: canal.....and general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Oct-2012
meant to say mr raymond..study
work..lifetime work..........and ealing hounslow libraries uxbnidge prob
as well..loads info there penny......
- Re: canal.....and general
by terence patrick hewett (Member 10243212) on 23-Oct-2012
Hi Jean, yes it is Terry from
number 67. Pat is alive and well and living in Ruislip. Peter died
some years ago in Lymington Hants, funeral attended by most of 5th
Southall boy scouts and families. I remember the Selley family I used
to knock around with their son John Selley the one with the pony. Alan
Duffy at number 77 is also alive and well and living in Middlesbourough.
- Re: canal.....and general
by Jean Kirby (Member 10268700) on 23-Oct-2012
Hi Terry good to hear from you
sorry to hear about Peter. George and June both live in Buckinghamshire
and have children and grandchildren George has a greatgrandchild. I have
three children and five grandchildren. I remember cricket on the green
outside your house where Mrs Perks would hide behind her curtains and
yell at anyone who dared to go near her garden. You will remember we
lived at number 87. Last heard of Charlie Donovan many years ago he moved to Suffolk. ... more >>
- Re: canal.....and general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Oct-2012
PHOTOS WENTWORTH RD number 208
etc.BOARD6...PORCH HOUSES NORTHCOTE AVE..FRITH PHOTOS SITE..LIKE MOST
PEOPLE MEMORIES PLAY MOUNDS..THERE,,JIM SEANEY.old disarmed machine gun
war there and old airraid shelter..he.went local school.s...photos
school s ..etc our boards...north hyde dock typed in google has our 1st
board pictures dock.etc pages there..think.john w..our member spoke of
scrumping..fruit trees
over wall there...old orchards...mounds painting photo board53..member
josie uncle jimmy neal..used canteen pub ..was till around war yrs still
by canteen cottages... ... more >>
- Re: canal.....and general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Oct-2012
lovely....info...yes gracie oct
14 1935...back couple yrs our site here len tore his trousers on manor
hse railings...watching.it.and gracie...crowds there.....ballroom cinema
sat morn pictures and ron brewer of charity donkey took kids
there........google gazette said she made frequent visits...well she was
in film at southall film studios gladstone...rd..southall green..before
it burnt.down...closed
fire...famous many yrs comedy etc films there....trough yes....4
different photos of it on our boards southall green and another
different one....viaduct..going along to hanwell bridge..... ... more >>
- Re: canal.....and general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Oct-2012
jean..photos today wentworth
rd...old house area by northhyde bridge regina...photos new flats.there
in its place.....canal oak pub...rec..etc.....will sort out later...gt
day out osterley in house etc..for day ......fantastic so very much
there....splendid......everybody should go for day out..........autumn
colours gt trees etc....
- Re: canal.....and general
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 27-Oct-2012
I felt really sad when the last
episode of Wartime Farm finished on BBC2 this week. It wasn't until you
saw them all walking away from the farm (after their 1945 celebrations)
that it brought you up with a jolt that they were only acting it all
out. Ruth Goodman as a social and domestic historian, and Alex Langlands
and Peter Ginn, the Archaeologists. At least we csn still watch all the
Episodes 1/8 again on BBC2
i-player. A really wonderful series. ... more >>
- Re: canal.....and general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Oct-2012
1945 celebrations and they spoke
of far east burma etc..wait for vj.....so strong the lads...muscles a
lot dont have today..no use in many jobs..and she,,well puts so many of
us to shame...lovely strong and can put her hand to everything..she did
the house victorian through the yrs.also..costume...clever lady...her 2
daughters came on..and they changed back into modern clothes jeans
etc.....new idea to be
able to switch lives...clothes and such gt changes....so quite bit of
acting involved to make it convincing...ordinary people at last
..costume..as servants was....getting away from history bks...kings and
gentry and politicians......keep it up bbc tv..... ... more >>
- Re: canal.....and general
by Jean Kirby (Member 10268700) on 29-Oct-2012
Yvonne... can you tell me how I
can access the photos on Southall Boards I was able to view the Ham
photos but do not know how to get the others. Thank you for any help
that you can give me.
- Re: canal.....and general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Oct-2012
jean..ham paintings..in
google....type.ernest ham..your paintings..bbc......75 there and 7 other
painters there,,local..areas also.....paintings on show at hounslow
library and ealing library...sure uxbridge probably has some too...they
are donated by artists.......our board photos.....in google
..southallboard54photostream,,,,photosharing.........www.southallboard54@yahoo.com.........53/52/51/etc//boards..to
1st board over 3 yrs ago..collection.......local interests memories
nostalgiia...let us know if no luck...will try help..........all
yrs..there...with text..descriptions info etc.... ... more >>
- Re: canal.....and general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Oct-2012
meant to say....flickr.is the photostream photosharing...11 pages each board..
http://www.flickr.com/photos/89207625@N06/
....today ..tv ..and filming...southall photos...sweeney bodie
doyle..gordon jackson..straight demolished white lion...pub..gas wks..jo
lumley.purdey there....mystery ghost between two topiary trees front of
manor hse gardens by pond martinware ftn,,,over west side by dominion area...dome pointed..top..1040s etc yrs photo...but faint back image huge..pointed...is mystery,,,,.photos our board ... more >>
- Re: canal.....and general
by Jean Kirby (Member 10268700) on 30-Oct-2012
Thank you Yvonne I have managed to access the photoboards.
- Re: canal.....and general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Oct-2012
good so pleased ..let us know if
problems.....quick to go between...just click..other user then..put in
53/52/51/50/etc..sign in......your computer memory .keep signed in will
auto show all the boards in list.......great to see white
lion.pub..gone.now....western rd just got my 1911...morton..blenheim
terrace..but ancestry I took 3 days my trying index..12 letters to them
and today...they found under...morter...their
typing index error...find past had morton correct but wanted image page
address rail worker..single with mother..my wingroves...other sister
there.........photos..18 viewing since yesterday ghost..west of manor
hse photo...cant see what it is...jean.....old victory pub there..etc
etc..canal...by middlesex mill..rapids canoes......but/environment dept
laptop computer measure flow with model boat going across on
string....ducks cant get through the strong flow...lock high in water
..rain.... ... more >>
|
|
Ford family 1965-2000
|
by Dee Ford (Member 10268189) on 3-Oct-2012
|
Looking for memories of Dennis & Ellen Ford, formerly of Brandon Road.
Dennis was often known as Ginger or Kenneth, and Ellen as Elsie. Dennis
died in 1974 and was an Engineers Toolmaker, Elsie was a nurse, of
Irish origin.
|
|
"On the panel"
|
by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 24-Sep-2012
|
When I was a child in the fifties I used to hear "he/she's on the
panel" the meaning of which I took to be under the doctor but does
anyone know the derivation of the phrase?
I have had a quick look on Google but the answer was not forthcoming. I
certainly never hear it anymore, although I did hear it the other day on
a radio programme about the life of Irene Handl.
- Re:
by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 25-Sep-2012
Sorry, that should read
'derivation'. I wish one could edit on this site but I'm afraid once
it's posted you can't do anything.
- Re:
by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 25-Sep-2012
Hello the madness has set in, it was correct in the first place, I just misread it.
- Re:
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Sep-2012
yes always heard that in 50s
..later dont hear it..each gp has list of how many patients he has at
his area...nhs..allows him..not go over certain number...often now
several doctors in one practice....but sure one of our members here will
know.......schools it has to be catchment area..have to go..selected
school so many mls not allowed to be out of area..or if school
full..to 2nd choice......but
being off sick work..50s..getting a certificate..then to go back to
doctor to sign off...getting..certificate to take back to work.......yes
always heard on the panel....radio is so good..get some good
biographies etc...handl was quite a character....they had mrs mills at
weekend radio...lps were had and sing songs...joanna upright
piano..tingle the ivories.... ... more >>
- Re:
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Sep-2012
in google...under nhs
wikipedia......each gp....had list panel....those who had contributed
out of their wages..national insurance stamps...to qualify.nhs
doctor......google has more ..panel...at oz and new zealand....state
funded doctors.on the panel.......people on the panel..allowed a panel. a
list of those who pay nhs insurance state contributions free health
care........or private doctors.....nhi
number .give to the hospital..lifetime payment..into
scheme...state...but immigrants..board53 st anselm kids 1945..s grammar
kids age 11 1962.or 13..photo...boards
10...22..23..43..18...131....added photos...box brownie cameras in some
kids hands....ed medley left s grammar 1966 age 17..southall.went uni ... more >>
- Re:
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Sep-2012
PRESUME...STRICKEN OFF THE
PANEL.doctors list patients..IF NOT PAYED ENOUGH CONTRIBUTIONS.out of
work or what....deducted taken out of wages...off sick..years ago...pay
seperately your nhi stamp.state insurance.even though not wages..then
keep up your contributions..for health care...lloyd george liberals
1911....all my family..50s and before..never knew word off sick...work
or school...so...myself
to 17 never missed single day...never heard of it...family were all
work..and never home..sick...presume hard life 1900 and before
yrs..dread of being sick or out work...pauper workhouse..not pay rent
kicked out.no food..so never heard..any my crowd..off
sick....hospital..1950 before....family used to say..scared.never want
be hospital.because you died in hospital...1900 and before..never knew
doctors..so..if hospital..was so serious usually died..half stamp for
married woman..but full stamp females..got off sick wages etc..and
insurance stamp payed health..enough contributions female got full state
pension.. ... more >>
- Re:
by roycouch (Member 10232168) on 25-Sep-2012
When I was a kid, I remember
going to Dr Ginsberg in Lady Margaret Road when I was ill, and my mother
being charged half-a crown for a visit. Before the NHS, of course. I
can also recall being treated by Dr Olive from North Road.
- Re:
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 25-Sep-2012
Fred, this has nothing to do with
the Panel, and although I still make mistakes, I find it does help in
reading stuff to use CONTROL AND + and CONTROL AND - to reverse it.
- Re:
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Sep-2012
yes roy...1936..west ave..it
would be 2/6 doctor......terrible birth in front room...nan had 7 babies
but her scared daughter age 21...nan could not get delivery.....no 2/6
for doc...so sent for district nurse rolphe from clarence st.......not
such a charge........boy born ok...fine today age 76.....but was long
difficult labour.....2012 nhs...seems treat tourists immigrants
etc.....but pre 1952 ish...pay
for doctor...40s etc..paying.....but those generations had never used
doc really...terrible tb..etc...but usually doc for death
cert....many.old generations.as my family never been to doc..or
hospital...many sad times.serious bad stuff ....but many..used bottle
something from chemist.....italy 60s were still using pharmacy mainly he
advised..was too expensive for doctor...mainly...all their
lives.....except tragic cases of course......loads of us today from 50s
etc....copied families and not really been to doc...generally
speaking...but young...seems part of their lives for habit....today ... more >>
- Re:
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 25-Sep-2012
When my brother David was born in
1936 with Pyloric Stenosis, which was a blockage in the main intestine,
which meant he couldn't keep milk down, my mother had to feed him with
the bladder of a fountain pen. Dr Ginsberg arranged for him to go into
Great Ormond Street hospital for an operation at six weeks old. I don't
know whether any money had to be paid. My brother survived that, but
then contracted
pneumonia as we lived by the side of the Grand Union canal in Bankside.
Dr Ginsberg supplied the oxygen necessary to save his life, and I do
know my parents couldn't afford to pay for this. However, David once
again recovered, and my grandmother died soon after leaving my mother
some money, so they were able to pay Dr Ginsberg, who said he hadn't
expected to see that repayment for a long time. A really wonderful
doctor, and I was so sorry to learn that he died very soon after his
retirement. He should have had a long, happy retirement for all the good
work he did in Southall. I will never forget him. ... more >>
- Re:
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Sep-2012
yes should have had
retirement.....several good reports on southall memories ..of gp...clyne
was good as well 50s 60s.....but they had had through all
generations.....ordinary working people.....not really looked after
much.....nan never went doc or hospital all life...knew no
different...and shillings 1930s were wage ..pkt week money gone food
rent....previous generations pennies......grateful to
good people who kept proud kept head above water...my aunt said gdad
strong labour socialist union...most had seen themselves their massive
hrs hard work.manual...terrible low wage kept deliberately by
government...to keep them down...health deaths etc,,but gt things got
better for gkids...and all rest world here it seems... ... more >>
- Re:
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 25-Sep-2012
Our family doctor was Dr McKenna in South road.
For some reason my mum took me to Dr Olives-not sure why. In those days
women doctors were not common. The practice I go to now is very girly!
- Re:
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Sep-2012
mike....you were all talking...of
radio....dick barton 1950s 1940...a while ago........they are repeated
next week daily...on radio4 extra...708...................and talks
people here on site of sing song...the other local sites have also
spoken of mrs mills on this week.....mrs mills.. joanna upright
piano...tinkle the ivories...lps sold....on few times this
week....freeview channel bbc 9.evenings.....radio times has big write up on..it...was very popular.... ... more >>
- Re:
by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 25-Sep-2012
Our Doctor was Dr. Sheperd his
practice was in Norwood Rd near the corner of Victory Rd and opposite my
grandfather who after he retired became the doctors gardener.
What a wonderful doctor he was, he even treated me for free for a bout
of tonsillitis when I was back from Australia on a visit once.
It was the same practice where there was also a a female, Dr. Moore? I think, who many years later was murdered in a terrible incident so many of you may remember. ... more >>
- Re:
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Sep-2012
there are 2 murders in google of
over that way old southall..way back 1920ish or yrs...mr meads book has
it and oates local history librarian ealing....woman coming home from
work as milliner from southall station to the common....she cut across
the rec as short cut....murder.etc......then dear mrs makelin...not sure
spelling in the 50s..going to work nestles.early morning.over by quiet
area..back passage
stables.cranford pk..splash lane area..northhyde rd...border southall
with hayes..murder bured heston church...dear family who.put message on
here...but of course there have been troubles in more modern
times...unfortunately..oates librarian..has written 6 bks over
yrs...local area..and his reading is crime etc murders..bks in
google.....christie of notting hill war crime.the film.murders evans
hung wrongly..christie in google was oodeon cinema south rd and southall
pk was arrested..yrs of crime christie..... ... more >>
- Re:
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Sep-2012
yes........fred..............in
google.....and I wnt to the exhibition south bank..thames
london......2009 to recent times....the have done the southall
story....personal stories.......in google..her dr was eva moore...was
murdered by drug user ..poor frail body dumped in canal...memories of
marion parker reeves 1957 yrs went to grammar..lived by canal norwood rd
wiltely gdns used riding stables there
along near wold pub norwood green....lots photos area our boards yrs
gone by..........boards43..10...18...22..23....to 53........the other
story in google is ladys grandparents lived tudor rd...whole
lifetime.........photos st anselm kids 1945....photo s grammar 1962
kids...on our boards..this week.......etc etc.rare..good photos memories ... more >>
- Re:
by Phyl Hutnell (Member 10234816) on 27-Sep-2012
Dr McKenna in South Road was our
doc when I was little. I remember when my Mum took me there for whatever
he used to ask me if I would like strawberry or raspberry cough
linctus, and he made up his own. Lovely man. When he retired we went to
Dr Paterson on the Uxbridge Road, but never found him very "doctorish"
(I know, no such word!). When I got married I transferred to my
husband's doc who was Dr
Ginsberg, by then in partnership with a couple of others, one of whom
was Dr Freeling, who went on to greater things in a London hospital. He
was an excellent doc. Didn't suffer fools gladly but I always found him
very caring and ready to listen, especially when I was a first time mum
and all at sea. ... more >>
- Re:
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Sep-2012
lovely to read good reports of
the gps.....they must have had many patients.hard work.in constantly
growing town...my aunt 40s 50s..loved dr braun...think was.......her big
op..when she was older and he near retirement...in the 1970s....she
insisted on him..norwood southall hospital..had hillingdon surgeon,,just
for op...then..braun did the rest...popped in to see
her.....clyne..prefabs..was greenford
rd..at edge prefab estate viennese.had german speaking.....gp..and
interest in psychiatry...lived to old age southall couple sons..one
became a doctor.... ... more >>
- Re:
by thompson (Member 10241148) on 29-Sep-2012
I can remember my dad saying he
was going "ON THE PANEL" but I think he was referring to getting a sick
note from doctor Ginsberg or Clyne. Then "SIGNING OFF" when he was fit.
Does anybody remember the dentist on the other corner by Dr Ginsberg's Surgery?
- Re:
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Sep-2012
the different dentists..I went to
the one...at corner going into church ave.cant remember name.....off
the king st.........mr thompson...........your photos...have had many
viewings....robin boultwood comment said he lived opposite your family
clarence st.......he now lives swanage,,,,but comes back..visits....yr
ago visit......he has fond memories clarence st and your family....his
southall school friend went to visit him...at swanage...etc etc ... more >>
- Re:
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Sep-2012
denis...................photos
osterley home guard 21/29 sept 1940..close ups of men training..and to
shoot down aircraft..and barley fields there 1960....we lived by fields
footpath 1966....photo gt west rd 1934,garage petrol 12/6..and own
private traffic lights operating.....google getty images osterley....g
union canal..cormorants looking for fish..yellow beak hooper swan
pair...heron....and dutch
canalbarge...wide.size huge...cargo..but leisure and moored hse
boats..some of locks.may be very tight for them to get into...one dutch
by hayes had sail...photos...gt documentaries still on
tv...interesting....local photos boards 3..10..12..43..22 23..etc to
53.. ... more >>
- Re:
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 29-Sep-2012
Thank you Yvonne will take a look.
- Re:
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Sep-2012
ok.........getty images,,,,,then
type in their box osterley..........box can type in other subjects and
get all sorts...board17 we have new entrance security officer there gate
high fence saturdays as well...dormers..allenby
rd......board3...10...20..21 .22..43...23...add photos...51.....gt
shampoo.with root of plant most gentle type of soap,,use for antique
tapestries etc...horse level ..ploughed
field of tractor..40s..milking. sad cow put down if problems..war
bbc2.........maid of all work 1910...before war changed scivvy age 14
labour,,,chelsea.bad rd by sewage of thames.fog mists.trade middle class
terraces....room in damp basement.bed by her work...bbc 2 tv....wish
had asked how many yrs my nan put up with it...like most did..norwood
green..girls all on census..think the schools had card system send them
off for vacancies work..live in..home sick...no time off etc....nov
2.ends..free census in google 1911... ... more >>
- Re:
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 29-Sep-2012
The bit I enjoyed the most in
"Wartime Farm" was when they dispensed with the starting handle to start
the engine of the "Field Marshall" Tractor. Instead they undid the nut
on the outside of the tractor and put black powder in from a cartridge,
and after igniting it then wrapped blotting paper tightly around inside,
as it was slow burning. Then, after screwing the bolt back on, hit the
'firing pin' with a
hammer, and whoosh - the engine started! The starting handle that they
didn't use in the end reminded me of all the times my poor husband
started our old Hillman Minx in the early 1960's when it was a freezing
cold day. It certainly took some muscle! ... more >>
- Re:
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Sep-2012
yes saw them ignite
it.....amazing....the 6.30 bbc2 series is good also..daily..interesting
coventry...bath...etc...dormers school visited coventry just after new
modern cathedral..1964ish.my photos with the girls.....north rd north
parade again.more photos on board17....then....denis series ......the
ace fighter pilot.young lad from.shot down many more than others
did..from montreal rural..incredible
vision and practice of aim..fighting determination..he was essential
for malta then died in aircraft after war in israel conflict..early 20s
yrs old....... ... more >>
- Re:
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 30-Sep-2012
Memtion of Southall dentists
reminds me of the chool dentist. When I started at North Road School,
the School Dentist was based at Featherstone Road. Later, a small
building which had been North Road Infants School was converted to a
Medical Centre, including a Dental Surgery. The School Dentist was a
very nice young Scottish lady
- Re:
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 30-Sep-2012
we used to have gas mask...school
clinic...opened corner off northcote pub and grubhams grocer.....then
later seemed no gas mask thank goodness...frightened life out of me and
smell etc......north parade photos on board17 ..or 3..or 10/12
today..think..domino cafe....hawkin .old grocer shop
there....hairdressers..butchers....rabbit...kidneys with
fat..hearts...all used..sage onion stuffing...oxtail.stew.....britains
longest 12 inch gauge railway.runs daily...middlesex vaste oak.ancient
woodlands.726 acres. there....mad bess wood..steam....turntable around
engine...£2..ruislip lido reservoir bird nature sanctuary...over 30
cormorants..dive fish..gulls..loads swans......ducks hill rd.... ... more >>
- Re:
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 30-Sep-2012
We only needed gas masks at Brentside juniors if we sat next to Terry Weekes
- Re:
by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 1-Oct-2012
I see when it comes to dentists
no one has mentioned the elephant in the room i.e. Duncan who had his
practice in Dormers Wells Lane about 400 metres from Uxbridge Rd, it was
well known that you had to go to him in the morning because after
4.00pm you got "Drunken Duncan" and he wasn't too gentle either.
- Re:
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Oct-2012
pinch punch 1st month no
returns....ha....new photos board17 seem popular.....north parade...new
dormers opened..3rd southall scouts boys close up 1950s......community
centre.restored....ron brewer donkey..1950s st bernards 2 lane traffic
going to iron bridge at arch entrance..607 trolley and greenline
bus....etc aerial 1928 greenford area redlion
etc.....etc..boards3..10..12..43...22..23..53..etc..corbis is good site images.........heston 1930s and 1950s training school bea heston ... more >>
- Re:
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 1-Oct-2012
3rd Southall scouts Spartans that was the troupe i was in we talked of some time ago
- Re:
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 1-Oct-2012
I was just re-reading the first posting on the next thread (R J MEADS' book 830-1982)
Chris wrote " I feel like I have been transported back to another life
that I once lived.", and a couple of events in my life over the last few
days have made me realise how profound and accurate that statement
actually is. I find it difficult to assimilate with the values (or
rather the lack of them) of anyone
born after, say, 1970. It IS not only another life but also another
place. Our old lives could not exist today because the places do not.
We are all looking to the past when we all had so little but all
seemed to live happier and certainly less stressful lives. I would not
like to be a youngster today. I despair of what is happening and
being done in our names, ...........allegedly for our benefit!!
Actually, apart from medical advances, I am finding it difficult to see
many benefits to where we were 60 years ago, because as a result of all
these "advantages" we (allegedly) have today, society has broken down if
not collapsed.
Somebody, prove me wrong.
... more >>
- Re:
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Oct-2012
denis...see the photo of boys
50s...in corbis images site in google...southall......or on
board17...........xmas toys in their hands...fete fair.....new tricks
tv...bbc tonight again at greenford ..by the church oldfield
lane.tonight.......often locally filmed.....
- Re:
by Chris (Member 10220786) on 1-Oct-2012
KEITH ------I totally agree with
you. I suppose every generation feels the same, but the changes our
generation have seen have changed the world completely. Like you, I
would NOT like to be a youngster today. I feel sad for my
grandchildren, although they are happy because they don't know any
different. Times are hard. Chris x
- Re:
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 1-Oct-2012
Chris, You've hit the nail bang
on the head. Children today don't know any different. They think
that what goes on now is normal and that things and places have always
been like this. . Yet West Middlesex in particular has been destroyed
within our lifetimes. . And the "culture" is just so much different now.
In fact the word 'culture' is no longer appropriate. . I know you
cannot re-write history,
but I wish I could. . My memory is much clearer about events that
happened 55 years ago than ones that happened 55 days ago. . I am told
that this is normal!! ... more >>
- Re:
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 1-Oct-2012
CHRIS - Strange that Keith has
been referring to your comments on R.J.Mead's book, as I have just
received notification from my library that the book has now been
received on Inter-library loan (£4.90), and they will be delivering it
to me. So, thanks for the information you gave! All done by e-mail!
- Re:
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 1-Oct-2012
MICHAEL - Your memories of school
dentists in Southall reminded me of my first encounter at the North
road dentist. I was very young when I went there, and was absolutely
petrified. When I was in the dentist's chair I can remember trying to
stop whatever was going on in my mouth with my hands. According to my
mother, she was called in to hold my hands down so that the dentist
could proceed. I remember
that part, and I remember kicking up about it. All other visits to the
dentist were at Featherstone road, and I didn't like that either!
Fortunately, today is not such a dreaded event to the dentist. ... more >>
- Re:
by Chris (Member 10220786) on 1-Oct-2012
Pauline & Michael....I recall
going to the dentists in North Road School Clinic, the old infants
school in fact. I don't know if it is a memory or dreaming but were the
sinks covered with red glass so that we couldn't tell how much blood
was coming from our mouths when we rinsed them after the extraction? I
can see this vison clearly in my minds eye. Chris x x
- Re:
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 1-Oct-2012
As far as I can remember Chris, I
think it was Phyl Hutnell who told us about the red sinks. I don't
remember any of that as I was very little when I went there.
- Re:
by Chris (Member 10220786) on 1-Oct-2012
I hope you enjoy the book
Pailine. £4.90 - wow that's a lot to have to pay. I don't recall if I
had to pay to borrow it from the library or not. It was a few years ago
now. Fortunately I have a copy of my own now........a long story but
my cousin is married to the sister of the authors son's wife! Takes
some working out! Chris xx
- Re:
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 1-Oct-2012
It's actually £4.80 Chris. I made
a mistake (What's new)! I expect some of it is attributed to the high
cost of postage now when other libraries have to send it on.
- Re:
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Oct-2012
greenford oldfield lane huge
close ups team at church..traffic going by to western ave...new tricks
bbc tv..today....photos board17..1955 pm anthony eden.at bridge hotel
pub greenford western ave...1945 churchill uxbridge station..40s
hurricans northolt..glass total front doors entrance of southall town
hall now...haven green jan 2012 new routemaster pole platform...ealing
broadway.............southall.ron
brewer more photos donkey....new southall community centre
refurbish........nhs save a and e march protest hosp at viaduct...2012
sept.......queen vic ealing diamondjubilee process hanwell bunting flags
1897 ... more >>
- Re:
by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 1-Oct-2012
I believe in England years ago
they did not charge for such things but here in Melbourne if a book has
to be brought in from another library they still don't charge for it.
- Re:
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Oct-2012
yes not so much charges uk
libraries yrs ago..but fines..and ordering bks has been a while
now...library music loans etc....council tax we all pay is part of
library cost..but some indivual costs as well...huge council tax pay
every year all our lives ...some councils more than others for all
ameneties...£4 seat to go to library evening talks local history
etc..audio visual..social historians librarians..etc
etc..postage of libraries across the country to loan..post is
expensive..mr meads .for australia and uk..is free online..in
google..lots of pages..he wrote.over lifetime yrs..info southall and
lots photos... ... more >>
- Re:
by Phyl Hutnell (Member 10234816) on 2-Oct-2012
Yes, it was me who remembered the
red sinks at the school dentist in School Passage. The dentist was a
nice Scottish woman then, but I remember once getting a telling-off from
her because I thought she said "touch" when she had said "don't touch"
after I'd had a tooth removed. I was such a timid little thing in those
days!
- Re:
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Oct-2012
richard meads..books.pages on
line..maypole and southall green.......several..of him..lots pages..over
many yrs memories...good and photos..
http://www.colin.harris4.btinternet.co.uk/page80.html
top west corner alexandra ave .supermarket was fine fare
..gateways,somerfield..now coop..51 yrs ago 10/.week payed for
groceries...photos board.17..3..10..12..22..23..43..to 53.interior
southall library..stairs platform southall station.etc.etc ... more >>
- Re:
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 2-Oct-2012
When I looked at the photo of
Southall Station's stairs to the platform on Southallboard 17, it made
me shudder as I have been known to 'bump' the baby's pram with baby in
it down those stairs to board the Guard's van! I was a lot stronger
then, but often a kindly gentleman would offer to help me down.
- Re:
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Oct-2012
hard job......steep
stair.....buses good today low platform..seem to get pushchairs to wide
place or up on surface easier....gradual decades..improvements in many
areas achieved...progress......sometimes.....of course......nostalgia
memories of photo boards..sites attract lots comments
memories...google....picture tells thousand words.....rare if found..
- Re:
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Oct-2012
well..rare..photo...1970..jumping
on off pole platform 120 bus..palace cinema..south rd...film.1970
aristocats cartoon.....other film..zoom.but something something
london.cant see...jan 2012 boris new..copy of pole
platform.routemaster...... photo also board17 at haven green ealing
broadway on display new for london...120 says going to greenford
station...crowds as usual that busy busstop...going north....aerial
1928 photos...one at gtwest rd..springwell rd..gt south west rd
hounslow west ...empty fields before all crowds 1930s
houses....fairey..travellers friend pub..now macdonalds hamburgers..etc
etc etc.. ... more >>
- Re:
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Oct-2012
todays gazette.....new mr
sherwood bk...he was in front row our heston....airport audio visual
talk...denis.......around heathrow through time..photos 1950 entrance
airport 4 buses.old cars..bath rd....before m4spur loads
hotels.....tarmac rollers building m4 there.harlington....83 now lives
harlington lifetime..he said longford harmondsworth little changed
community fight preserve...harlington was
blacksmith high st ..vine grape greenhouses were sipson..gt barn..huge
cost preserved open to public..largest in europe hay etc..several
hundred yrs....cathedral.oak..type roof..1929 fairey...1944 construct
heathrow 2yrs.single runway tents....tony and my family..local to it
all...several many generations...photo paul macartney son playing guitar
band in old vinyl factory blyth rd.emi huge site .develop
plans..proceed..new high speed rail to southall..tunnel diagram..for
under ruislip west... ... more >>
- Re:
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Oct-2012
pauline..today....on... old face
southall site picha.......of dylis...mayo....you spoke of....her
grandparents northcote ave and then to spikes bridge rd..,,,mr
pumfrey.....lots regulars locals there..for couple yrs now.........mr
thompson..your family photos..mr boultwood lived opposite yours at
clarence st fond memories....etc etc..
- Re:
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 3-Oct-2012
Thanks Yvonne will look at
Heathrow pics, have posted pic of my enrollment cert. 3
Spartans cubs Southall 17 November 1953 on Flickr(d.sexton428)
- Re:
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Oct-2012
2 good photos ..yes denis...the
close up 1956 one 3 boys with toys at scout xmas toys fair.23 nov..3rd
southall cubs and scouts they look about.11/ 12..ish...
- Re:
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 3-Oct-2012
Does anyone remember a chap
called Derck Martin was scout master for the 3 Spartans lived
on the Uxbridge Rd. bottom of Dormers Wells Lane i think he
died in the late 1960s
- Re:
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 3-Oct-2012
Did the Spartans used to meet at North Road School-red and green scarf??
- Re:
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 3-Oct-2012
Yes michael on Thursday & Tuesday at Holy Trinity hall Lady Margaret Rd. if i remember correctly
- Re:
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 4-Oct-2012
I didn't know any of the Mayo family Yvonne, only that they were a very large family. My sister might have known them.
- Re:
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Oct-2012
ok...yesterday and for some time
now ....grandaughter mayo..on the other southall site,,,,said northcote
ave,,,then to spikes bridge rd....lots lovely southall memories
there...........old photos shops high st.western rd and wood
shop..etc........sherrys chemist..southall grammar b/w...2 floors of
southall library..windows over looking.osterley pk rd....
- Re:
by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 4-Oct-2012
Hi Yvonne
When you say 'on the other southall site' which site are you referring to?
- Re:
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 5-Oct-2012
facebook......are you old face
southall.......picha za......in google...about 5yrs or so
now......reopened as photo site with 10 comments or so each
photo...decades southall people all ages......ticks for likes....
- Re:
by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 5-Oct-2012
So I presume you'd have to join Facebook?
- Re:
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 5-Oct-2012
can see photos with their chat
comments without join......just in google...picha za are you old face
southall......the general one they had like other facebooks closes down
when not enough ticks for likes..not enough response..comments,,,,,but
now they make sure they get enough response so not close as they did yr
ago................we are spoiled here...people can not bother and site
stays open..people
facebook..respond every night or week..or it closes........only join to
reply to photos comments...just got back in fred so delayed reply.. ... more >>
- Re:
by peter hillary (Member 10254122) on 17-Oct-2012
When I was a child in the fifties
our family Dr was Hector Smith who had his surgery at 1 Derley Rd just
off the Western Rd he always wore winged collar shirts and I believe did
sterling work during the second world war
- Re:
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Oct-2012
peter our photos western rd 50s
60s wood shop...halfway hse pub...flexman coach area etc..on
board.prince wales pub...all years going far
back...photos....................the dentist .orthopedic..corner east
side church ave king st..older age man was sharp bit scary to kids
1950s..upstairs clinic there..braces and things..
|
|
SOUTHALL 830-1982
|
by Chris (Member 10220786) on 13-Sep-2012
|
I've just re-read MR R J MEADS book. I feel like I have been
transported back to another life that I once lived. I actually moved
out of Southall in 1962; went back loads of times because my parents
still had their shop until 1973. It's a facinating read and if you can
find a copy I recommend it to you all. I know that Osterley Library
keep copies of MR MEADS books. Years ago I ordered it via my
local library and they got the book posted especially for me so if
you've moved far away ask at your library. ISBN 0863031129 title
SOUTHALL 830-1982. Brilliant. Chris x ... more >>
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-Sep-2012
thankyou chris.......and year or
so ago...colin harris.ive......put it all on...google..on line.....many
pages of the 1982 one.....the maypole one...and his booklet
..reservist.war........southall green manor house one....think there
were 4 booklets in all..........ealing local history library for
southall.mr oates librarian...has books cabinet......open long hours
daily there.........lots rumours
southall library..1890..listed building...but things...adapting...if
there or new eventual manor hse museum..displays.....thoughts are of new
phoenix building..southall green..high block.being completed..pavement
front .new library....often need new for technology computers
etc....libraries now.coffee..audio etc etc....in google last year been
reading of southall....slow but gradual changes southall
green..develop..money aside ready but slow at recession... ... more >>
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 13-Sep-2012
Thanks for that Chris. I have just sent an
e-mail to my local library although I am not a member. So, keep your fingers crossed for me.
lol Pauline
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 13-Sep-2012
Success Chris. The Library have
been very prompt and are going to arrange an Inter-Lbrary Loan. I will
have to become a member of the library, but no problem! I look foward to
a good read!
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 13-Sep-2012
Enjoy Pauline they are a very good read
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 13-Sep-2012
Thanks Denis.
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by Chris (Member 10220786) on 13-Sep-2012
WOW Pauline; that was so quick. I
know you will enjoy MR MEADS BOOK. I have another one somewhere; must
look it out - I think it is called GROWING UP IN SOUTHALL. MR MEAD was
born in Grove Terrace about 1901. I was born in Grove Terrace too but
quite a few years later than MR MEAD. Chris x x
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by Chris (Member 10220786) on 13-Sep-2012
WHOOPS.......sorry, MR MEADS was
NOT born in Grove Terrace but his parents lived there just a couple of
years before he was born. Chris x
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 14-Sep-2012
CHRIS - "Growing Up In Southall"
by Mr R.J. Meads is in Google. I am still reading it. If you tap in
"Clifton Brown Drapers" and then click on the heading "Page 5" up comes
"Growing Up In Southall". I'm really enjoying it. He says in there he
was born in Cambridge road.
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 14-Sep-2012
I should have said "Growing Up With Southall From 1904". Trust me to get it wrong!
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-Sep-2012
limited
time..google...ancestry.and free to anybody....got southall
1911...nice..yes meads....21 hgh st george clifton brown.draper age
46.born paddington 1865.wife kate born croydon.assisting in shop..basil 8
school alwyn 5 school.servant..nice click page handwritten by him..6
rooms..norwood uxbridge as was district then.they charge such lot
usually......in google granddaughter proud of clifton brown
she worked there..sent email..but no reply......abernethie grandaughter
sent me photos brochure shop...just got photo maypole dairy 1921 built
shipping siding .in now new rd merrick..down from station
bridge..several 40 yrs worked there as my cousin gdad did...tried to get
through all online.pages..lots...meads etc..colin gave us..hard work of
him..to get on...very kind of him..great reads.....photos ... more >>
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-Sep-2012
mr meads....info books on
southall..chats about all the pubs...camra the pub society in
google...end of 2011....says...glassy pub closed boarded to be
vegetarian restaurant........old oak pub canal..of my gdad ..my gt
gdad..1890s...closed up for sale..£625000..regina rd etc regulars..gdad
and men in outing photo 1925 outside pub..photo hangs by
bar,,,,,,,,...closed rising sun pub..cranford lane..used
to be field footpath across the field from canal..mr meads went to see
his 1st girlfriend there........pub council planning permission to be 4
flats.....my nans side...1850...family...dwellings there....all
generations...... ... more >>
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Sep-2012
TODAY....9 PM...FREEVIEW
TV..CHANNEL 12....5STAR MARKED EXCELLENT FILMING AUTOBIOGRAPHICAL..WAR
..KIDS WITH LAUNCH BARRAGE BALLOON..SCHOOL..TEACHER IN LONG SHELTER
...TIMES TABLE..CHANT WITH GAS MASK ON..SHRAPNEL..2HRS...HOPE AND
GLORY...GOOD ACTORS SCRIPT..AMMO WITH KIDS..GANGS....BOMB
SITES....LONDON AND ALSO SUBURBS..GOOD SETS.....CLOTHES...KIDS
TALK..MUMS COPING...
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by jean edward (Member 10247075) on 19-Sep-2012
Hi everyone, I also read these
pages and found them very interesting and was most pleasantly surprised
how accurate they were. They really surprised me of the things I had
long forgotten, one especially was the reference to Dr.Glass who used to
run the clinic for children at the Manor House.I had impetigo in the
mid 40's and she treated me for weeks before I was dispatched to the old
fever hospital for 2 -3 weeks.
One thing did make me laugh, he said the shop in King Street was called
Outlands, proberbly a typo - my parents used to live over it and it was
named Cutlands - a drapery type in and out shop ... more >>
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 19-Sep-2012
thats lovely jean....he did such
work to.type so many pages..several.in the series..must have been print
error..glad you put it right...age 6 on the 1911 southall census mr
meads,,,think he died about 1982 southall....think he worked at the town
hall a while.so. statistics he gives...and so many memories..so many
things all around southall...over the other side...over the
trams......old southall ..new
southall.......over the station bridge...so many..used to
say...southall green...or the broadway...grew up abit like 2 towns.... ... more >>
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 19-Sep-2012
I can remember the tram lines finishing on top of Hayes bridge
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 19-Sep-2012
Yes - In Mr Mead's "Growing Up
With Southall From 1904" on site - one bit which really amused me was
that "The Empire" cinema was opened in 1911 at the top of Northcote
Avenue on the Uxbridge road. Evidently, it soon got a bad reputation
and was closed after six years. Mr Mead said that the last film shown
"The Exploits of Elaine" were very daring, the ladies revealing about
four inches of leg and very low cleavage! I thought my god they should have seen some of the films today!
... more >>
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 19-Sep-2012
on his other page.....he puts mr s
g cutland drapers 30 yrs king st...died 17 may 1981 age92...president
of southall chamber commerce 1944 to 45...he lists all the
presidents....photo on our board of rare lady one 1975 at
cenotaph.hilton....with crowd around......census often round off dates
ages...meads birth cert 1904..married 1929..died 1988 hillingdon borough
registered..probably hillingdon hospital.......but
southall lifetime and family.....big main ealing general
hospital.opposite viaduct.now exsists..attached to a few old st bernards
buildings......but.huge procession.weekend to try stop close a and e
dept..emergency and care dept.....also greenford all areas use...told to
go hillingdon or northwood. accident and emergency dept....not possible
for many elderley or bus users.......car park not enough anyway even
though charge a lot... ... more >>
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 19-Sep-2012
I can remember going with my
mother to the Manor House when she had an appointment to see Dr Glass
who saw her occasionally after she had contracted TB. She was a very
kind person.
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 19-Sep-2012
nice when you put in dr glass in
google...margaret acting med officer started when dr grundy called up
war.....mr stonestreet account.in google.age 17.born 1926 worked for
her...he was in med dept in the manor hse..dept...he saw fly v1 bomb
come down regina rd..near where he lived.heard engine cut out...at west
side part was martin famous pottery.had its own dock.changed to building
there cleaned films of
print used to make paint.......today antique roadshow.£10000....small
the size of mans hand wally bird..detach head..container..1891....they
were pleased to get£30 for a piece in the old days.....time is never
possible...so quick ref for mr meads many pages on line....ctrl F....and
type in slot ..and it scrolls to sentence highlight,,,,,subject
indexed..often saves precious time..... ... more >>
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 19-Sep-2012
says 72 yrs draper...king
st....sidney c cutland..liquidate windup..1958 26 aug.london
gazette...1899 1901 1911 census family...sid e..dot gert...town hall
hayes grade2 listed..being refurbished.barra pk....my student..held
library door open to..age 11 to 17..wheelchair..gazette....misses
olympic pk.very much indeed gt fun..she used to go all round in her
electric scooter...won gold..equestrian..gold letter box uxbridge..miss baker....stamps....1st woman... age 22 ......honour.freeman borough hillingdon.presentation. ... more >>
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 19-Sep-2012
I posted a letter in the GOLD
LETTERBOX in Maidenhead awarded to Sophie Christiansen for her 3 gold
medals in Equestrian events at the Paralympic games! People were taking
photographs.
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 19-Sep-2012
how wonderful......so many gt
medals...brits got...so proud...lovely people......mo farah gold box
isleworth went to tech college there ...ha so did I.......his dad born
hounslow....and tony said another local one around...sure he
said........we like henley and marlow..gt statues olympic rowers...both
places..and museum......
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 19-Sep-2012
Jean Edward's mention of the old
Isolation Hospital reminded me of my two week stay there in 1938 (during
the Munich Crisis) with Scarlet Fever. I remember s boy being confined
to a single room with Impetigo.
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Sep-2012
that north rd..up by allendale
rd.....hospital...in the 1960 years..adapted used for the
elderly...hospital..for the ill........nan was there for a
week.only.that year ..she had been...ill ...a very long time..passed
away there.....think they said gone now..housing instead there...mount
pleasant..behind the row parade of shops..north behind....happy
september month birthday mike..think some days ago..but best wishes.... ... more >>
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 20-Sep-2012
Thank you Yvonne-it was the 6th. 84years on the clock-sobering thought,
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Sep-2012
thought it was 6 to 9 ..area of
dates but did not dare say incase got it wrong.....hubby born hillingdon
hospital september....school...tend to be the sept age crowd...start of
term.....many happy returns of the day.....gt weather 1st 2 wks sept
most yrs but now oh dear chilly.now...autumn around corner,,,,,,
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 20-Sep-2012
Sorry about your nan Yvonne, but
at least she spent the last few days of her life in Southall, the town
that she had loved and lived in for a lifetime. Although Hillingdon has
obviously done a lot of good things, I always felt it was an alien
place. My mum died in there in the 60's after a few days. The Southall
Norwood hospital where my dad ended up, was a much more friendly place,
but then it was a much smaller hospital. ... more >>
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Sep-2012
oh your mum...nan was there
october 1961.west ave we had autumn chrysanths.huge displays out on
front lawn..then to havelock...nan timid shy lady all life..born
northyde..orphan..2 siblings mum age 29 died there..hard times..3 of
them age 3 she went to mums sister cranford lane.her 1803 side southall
and 1850 side cranford lane then before hayes....she went to heston
school.1895.when opened..think
your jennifer went..later it expanded along by church....chelsea as
servant hated it came back.married gdad northhyde...had 7 babies the
common by canal oak pub...1928 condemned so council hse west ave ..so
she thought that was palace....but so shy to next door seemed posh mrs
boylan...but elsie bob cornell.more rural country folk..as she came
from...lovely photos nan..daughters looked after her well when worked
factory..would have lived to 100...but coach trip from southall
pensioner friends.seaside.she tripped step coach..ok...but..later eye
check up..specs...they said slight bleed head.but was..perfect
well...but.atkinson morley..by wimbledon...brain surgeon..came out op
..a complete vegetable...my aunt nursed her 24 hrs daynearly 3 yrs west
ave...aunt at breakdown..nan near the end...but aunt to seaside first
few days break....nan..mt pleas..and died shock..scared..never been hosp
or to doctor in her life.died within the week.....doll had football
cyst cancer op southall norwood.got up she made tea for them all...loved
the place..small yes friendly.but.hillingdon..can do gt ops god bless
them but...not easy there..difficulties.. ... more >>
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 20-Sep-2012
It was sad for your nan to lose
her mother at such a young age Yvonne, but those things happened all
those years ago. Fortunately, she came from a caring family and
eventually had a large family of her own. It was sad for her to end up
as she did after such a busy life, but she still had that caring family
to look after her. That must hae been hard for your aunt caring for your
nan for three years, but she probably got far more attention than she could have got in a hospital. She was obviously loved very much by you all. ... more >>
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Sep-2012
yes my aunt went to brain
hosp..mental ops patients...she could not stand it..got her mum out
straight away.......northhyde old labourers dwellings
1890s...tb..married 1885 ..chas..matthew died tb intestines..john..ada
my nan age 3...sister hannah baby died measles..mum died same yr tb
lungs..age 29 all buried heston church..he died labourer new workers
houses going up west ealing.plasterer..fell off
broke back died west mid hosp...young...heston church books full
sadness..hard times..but all neighbours.same.....gt documentaries
tv..tonight 6 weeks vintage war aircraft..heroes...8 episodes bbc war
farm..by historian people .well..done.....and the queens
historian.archivist worsley gt series..the home..bbc4..we all got kicked
out west ave ..3 bed..nans death ..told council not go down .past
2.tenancy.nan gdad dead...so moved to a flat..fred begged old ma bennett
housing officer.to stay..his whole life was northcote pub.west
ave.northcote ave.....but my aunt cycled back to work across brookside
to..old peoples home.southalldormers.where she took a job..I walked
across fields for dormers.school.never had money for bike ever..pity.. ... more >>
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 20-Sep-2012
Miss Bennett. Didn't she collect
the rent on our estate Yvonne? I remember she was a very hard person.
That certainly was a long walk for you from Yeading way, across fields
to Dormers - especially in the bad weather.
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Sep-2012
yep..buses all around..in
rain..because field..and bumpy field wet mud was murder..my aunt cycled
for work..long hrs....2 choices..walk grapes 607 across walk
length..dormers lane fog.etc......or walk around ashford delemere
berkley rds..around mud fields..to step stones over brook..then bit path
around other field..to yeading...ha...cow pats....xmas cake did for gce
mock exam..teacher.was thrilled
with it she dropped me at grapes..went on to her home
hillingdon...or.yeading lane..up to white hart..bus across to greenford
high st 105 down to dormers...,,ha spent whole life buses..then left
school tube trains london bbc reference library.......buses gt today
last 5 yrs...but 14 yrs greenford..they refused to go ..inspector pulled
his hairr out..playing cards in canteen..union said too far route.not
get correct tea break etc......14 yrs...hours to get there back..stood
bus never came....but privatised now extremely better......scare
traffic..dont drive......yes.old ma bennett fred called her..housing
officer he asked her..to stay...she said no..2 tenancy died..not allowed
go 3rd..of family....they all went council offices top west corner up
high stairs..alexandra.ave....aunt 3 babies paying 2nd rent
there.lodger..also...after 5 yrs got north ave...but rest of us had to
get out..to flat.myself on camp bed in aunt uncle..when cousin came home
from sea....his room..back........fred his dad died .so he could stand
no more ..payed cash .bought hse..behind heston church..for us
all.....trains from there to bbc work..walked across osterley huge
fields....ha...there was no warning or knowledge of old
victorian...dump..under bumpy field brookside...sandles.school walk.my
foot got cut glass...flats neighbour took me hillingdon hosp in very old
first model black running board car...stitches and tetanus ... more >>
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Sep-2012
DENIS.......brooklands on itv tv...4pm today..hour..excellent.......we have been twice
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 20-Sep-2012
Thank you Yvonne what a shame i have missed it i was out
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Sep-2012
it was only short bit...but on
the ramp.round the banking etc......tv 5 8pm good series had war
planes..bader etc etc..well done /.interesting..it is weekly thursdays
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 21-Sep-2012
Heroes of the skies, was very good looking forward to next week
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Sep-2012
yes excellent well made..hour...6
episodes...tv.and bletchley girls was good..and 40s war farm..well
done...autumn..spurt of good documentaries....my heston relatives worked
land army cranford mkt gardening and heston farm..gazette..more polish
....northolt airport section dept.museum..polish items gone on display..
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 21-Sep-2012
Yes, I'm also enjoying the series
"Wartime Farm" in the 40's. To watch them making tiles for the barn
roof was really interesting. To see the raw clay being stamped on, put
through a machine to make the shape of the roof tiles, then firing them
in the home-made kiln was brilliant. The making of the "hooch" to have
when they were keeping an eye on the kiln at night was also good. Then
the Christmas without a
proper turkey, making a "Murkey" instead! When that finished Gareth
Malone followed on creating a choir within Lewisham hospital to compete
for the title "Britain's Best Workplace Choir". I just hope we are able
to see if they win! A really good evening. ... more >>
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Sep-2012
yes often autumn..tv ..starts..gt
choirs..watched everything he does..proms so good...forces wives...all
so good..for the country...nhs..he is doing post office workers...as
well..work hard but clever to train the voice.........sing song was
always the way of past families..also...
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 21-Sep-2012
Yvonne-Your mention of Heston
Farm reinds me I had a summer job there the during the summer of
1950,when I was a student.One of my tasks was to lead the horse of a
horse rake ic was a man called Fiddler who used to cuss the horse and me
in equal measure.
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 21-Sep-2012
Michael, I beat you to it, as I
was at Heston Farm in 1945, during my school holidays. I had actually
just left school. Most of us working there were school children picking
up the windfall apples and stringing up the tomatoes.
There were also many land-army girls there as well, plus a conscientious
objector. "Fiddler" was there when I was, and he wasn't very kind to
the shire horse as the poor thing
had an infection near his foot and the flies were always getting in it.
We didn't get much money, but we subsidised it by helping ourselves to
some apples and tomatoes which we left inside the farm wire fence
opposite the 105 bus stop that we got on to get home. The "gaffer", a Mr
Clayton, must have seen all of our our bags as he drove past on his
little motorcycle, but as long as we weren't too greedy he didn't seem
to mind! Happy days. ... more >>
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 21-Sep-2012
Thinking about it, was it a 120 bus we used to get to and from Heston Farm, and not a 105?
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Sep-2012
yes...still runs...bus stop at
heston church and return stop along parade shops....must be one of the
oldest...long yrs ..southall to heston hounslow...120 goes on to
northolt tube station.north.......105 down western rd...to junction pub
and onto heathrow...we used it suitcase..in under bit on platform and gt
get off heathrow for plane 1977/8 ish...lots heathrow workers use it
..105 up to greenford
used it for hammersmith hospital ducane rd..acton.....western ave...bus
stop there........good old bus...long yrs....232 and 140 buses but loads
little e buses now.... ... more >>
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 21-Sep-2012
I still have a 1951 bus map
105 used to run to a terminus at "HAYES NORTH" via South Road, Western
Road and North Hyde Road. In those days, the 120 started at Hayes Stn,
but ran via Coldharbour Lane to "the Grapes", then along Uxbridge Rd to
Southall, then via South Rd & Norwood Road to Heston, Lampton,
Hounslow Central then Hounslow Heath. So from Southall Station, to get
to Hayes Stn by bus,
you got 105 to go via Western Road from a stop on the station side, or
120 to go via Uxbridge Road from stop on the opposite side of the road. ... more >>
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 21-Sep-2012
Thank you Yvonne and Keith.
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 21-Sep-2012
Who remembers seeing 105s running to "Hayes North"?
When they changed it all, and the 120s ran to Greenford instead of
Hayes, the 55s ran from Hanwell to Hayes North but via Greenford and
Yeading. When the 55s took over, they renamed it "Hayes, Bourne
Avenue"
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Sep-2012
nice on top of the 120
now...views..dragon roof palace...then up lady margaret rd..left west
along ruislp rd..as was talor woodrow was..now modern
marina..dwellings...but teamwork statue woodrow still there....to as was
byron pub fire..white hart pub yeading..then..120 up to tube
train..london..and northolt swim pool leisure centre.....on bus white
hart pub 20yrs ago..all stop pause..while ..hearse
goes 3 times around.roundabout..landlord pub funeral..tribute...on old
west end farm..housing estate...new gas line going across.huge yellow
pipes.digging..across .shooting range....several yrs work...to
southall... ... more >>
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 21-Sep-2012
I didn't know about Byron pub
fire but nice to learn TayWood teamwork statue still survives. It used
to be over the door entrance. I think it used to be bronze but turned
green (as bronze does).
Many many years since I moved to Sussex now, but went to
Hampton/Hanworth recently. Hanworth once wonderful rural place, but
awful now and not safe to be for old people.
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 21-Sep-2012
yes you stroll the marina..glass
dwellings..and statue 4 teamwork men..on lawn..in middle.....I went for
interview woodrow 1976/7..but chose the other job...nice glass tall
front doors..entrance,,head office..with the corner statue.teamwork.all
up the left side of the door...concrete.stone carved...white.working
men....pictures etc in google....
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Sep-2012
40s ..and reflects 50s.....farm
war rations etc...general life so well done..repeated today
5pm......tick...pilolows bolsters...feathers..tight weave linen but..oh
yes point feathers poked through sharp..many tile lanes called
today...near canal....harefield middx...by old tudor rd school...brick
kilns..clamps..coal..5 days heat 2days tiles 900 degrees....gd social
local history tv..gt photography
today..meteorites shower scotland last night...shuttle on back..tribute
flights over golden gate bridge etc...we see space shuttle west to east
over garden then 40 mins be australia.....those spoke of rose
gdn..southall pk....on our 53 boards photos...rare...photo....with
others there..boards18..22..23...etc..memories...photo viewers..remember
120 to north hayes..hayes end uxbridge rd..delemere rd turn around also
607.buses...those of walks to tudor rd sch...they like our
photos..there..adding photo commments their memories... ... more >>
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 22-Sep-2012
Something I'd completely
forgotten about in "Wartime Farm" was the feather duster on a stick that
the historian made from the chicken feathers. Not that we ever made
one, but my aunt used to have one during the war and I used to help her
with the dusting when I stayed with her.
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Sep-2012
my aunt had one on long stick
great for top cornrs ceiling...oh they had west ave..picture rail..metal
hooks chains..for mirror...and couple photos to hang....but vacume is
gt..attach and long just suck it up..so much .people.life in that farm
war..great series..repeated saturdays..gt hot sun today out
again.countryside rivers canal hills..local......but tony is going to
try video record..708..radio
4 plus extra...on tv also...digital..missed this pm..but during
night..2hr play .doris hare etc..happy breed noel coward...of gt film
they made...but love good radio.play family people..relax...sound and
bbc so good atmosphere..radio expertise...effect..1940s etc.. ... more >>
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 22-Sep-2012
It was a shame that the programme
"Wartime Farm" was not shown at the time in the TV guide. It should
have been on at 4.55pm and came on at 4.10pm instead. In fact, several
of the programmes following were also mucked up!
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Sep-2012
oh...hope you saw it all.....yes
they do sometimes..the times...if video..during night always best to do
20 mins extra...tony did radio.on tv..tonight see if miracle tomorrow
work...ha.......2hour play should be gt.....some radio 4 plays have been
masterpieces over yrs..hampshire the farm..poor southampton..we go
often..lovely..new titanic museum..loved the surviving medieval walls ad
old maritime museum
titanic..doors were locked closed last yr..wonder what replace...we love
southampton water saw the old quay 1920 deco close.were at the
party..all the queens ships..lens.canberra his boy was on..so the
evacuees go to her farm barn quilt beds she nailed together....lovely 4
..under 4 yr old played by ducks etc today..met..played..mum..said go
now...go say goodbye..myself next table.he politly said goodbye....she
could not stop hysterics laughter...not everybody pub garden..just your
lttle friends..tony laughed his head off back from bar...ha...canal
locks..aylsbury white duck 2 cross breeds with him..photos..fast flow
rivers...along to uxbridge..denham..fly lessons..over head ..little
bit...gt chiltern hills lakes..yachting..west edge middlesex...rural... ... more >>
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by jean edward (Member 10247075) on 24-Sep-2012
Look forward to Wartime Farm
coming to Australia on TV and will definitely watch it. Mine you it
does the rounds before coming down here, so I will give it 4 months or
so.
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Sep-2012
its bbc2....jean.....bbc4
digital....often has the ducumentaries at repeat.....so digital often
gets picked up abroad...in computer...bbc iplayer....often has repeat of
programme free on computer screen......lovely people in it...humourous
and so well done..xmas at the farm with evacuees...parsnip legs mock
turkey..sausage meat mix..herbs etc.shaped as turkey....tasty..stuffing
effect flavours....veg
out of garden....imports from oz..and wheat from canada..meat
argentina..merchant shipping suffered so bad..just heard sequel to kings
speech colin firth geof rush..oz speech trainer..takes then through the
war blitz etc..good book also written by his family....land army
stained glass window in heston church left side of alter..they worked so
hard..my female relative heston northhyde did....and nans brother age
12 to 60 worked heston farm.and with plough horse....and heston cousin
lindsey.1930s.40s .won prizes medals working horses farm..exsempt from
war call up..essential skills... ... more >>
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Sep-2012
the good tv documentaries are
connected...to open uni..milton keynes..and world correspondence courses
degree.....have written off for free info they send booklets...past yrs
they are good..bbc and ou.....curriculam..schools recent yrs....do 20th
century..pity did not do or social.history.peoples lives at school yrs
ago....this week tv..oz like corrie.as does my cousin canada..ken barlow
father doctor....77
family trees uk since 2004..all good...bbc andrew marr.series history
world..australia from red sea out of africa..turkey and the 1st
farmers..lovely relaxing interesting watch..antique roadshow just
sold..ancient art and boomerangs etc..aborigine...folk craft commands gt
prices and american..free bbc programmes on computer i player..to
all.......reading is gt books love but technology film graphics..is
stimulating..and gt enrichment info,,,when well done ... more >>
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Sep-2012
today quick reply from ou..they
posting bbctv war farm booklets and a marr history new tv
series...general-enquiries@open.ac.uk.....jean they would post to you
also..colourful interesting..708....digital radio extra this happy breed
recorded ok..excellent..gt rare photos times gone by ..board
10..43..22..23...18..adam eve deco pub hayes..hanwell...ealing..southall
1938 jubilee gdns area....slough...odeon..uxbridge
rd southall.1936 interiors etc..deco..rose garden 1930s southall
park.....all cinemas..australian huts 1918 harefield hospital..museum oz
sent me photos southall harefield oz war hospitals 1917..amputees..and
rehab and artificial limbs...and all info..south road..etc... ... more >>
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Sep-2012
feel so sorry...for beautiful
kew....and new z lady...who died ..branch fell...rare....but winds
sunday torrential rain monday....age 30 been in london for few
yrs......imperial war museum and pathe..films..war .agriculture dig for
victory...beans bullets.veg victory..cloches against hitler...hour in
gdn better than hr queue...rows our back garden we cut old potatoes in 4
get 4 eyes plant .pretty colours
red radish..green lettuce..shire lovely books..social history families
lives.by m levenston in google..farms allotments..grow on top of
shelter...bomb crater hole by westminster abbey made into veg plot ... more >>
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 24-Sep-2012
Just been looking st 1st Episode
of "Wartime Farm" on BBC2 i-player "Wartime Farm", and it says the
repeats of i-player of the three episodes will remain for 1 month!
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 24-Sep-2012
Although I realised that many
thousands of cats and dogs were taking to the vets to be put down, I
hadn't realised that millions of live stock were slaughtered during the
wartime cull of WW11.
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Sep-2012
yes so sad about pets.....kept
dairy cows for milk....lovely..interesting..and loads of fun in..the
documentary..ruth the historian spends lot of time laughing,,love the
clothes sets,,,etc...aylesbury geese ducks come into middx canal...but
seem cross breed with mallards...angling society along there many
yrs..river colne..canal locks.......mike...photos rare of of
.war.british restaurant..acton.1943
mural by ken rowntree huge on walls....2 nov free 1911 ancestry ends to
everybody uk.....adam eve pub uxbridge rd 1937 hayes end art
deco....and gents loo door deco......photos.... ... more >>
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Sep-2012
daily....bbc tv 6.30.....peoples
info..war...very interesting...spitfire fund 17 spits bought
belfast,,,,,as southall hayes,,,did shillings....a spit a day keeps
hitler away...pigs kept kitchen waste...belfast only quarter population
shelters..went up in.hills...zoo 33 animals killed feed problem and if
escape....huge archive..rooms..and dairies personal observations...kept
at sussex uni..reading uni..has
archive of heston farm...earl jersey of osterley pk..owned 1912 he put
it over to famous lobjoit..mkt gardener..nans brother worked age 12 to
60...closed and wheatlands estate built there....1938...deco built
jubilee library clinic...photo our boards.10..etc...2009 demolished new
modern complex there now..by allenby rd.areas........ ... more >>
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 24-Sep-2012
Reading about the food for pig
waste, I started to add up all of our various bins we now have from our
Council. Wheelie bin for normal rubbish. Recycling bin for paper, glass
and tin. Green bin for all garden waste, and now Food Waste recycling:
Food cooked and uncooked, including bones, meat, fish and dairy produce,
bread, cakes and pastry, rice, pasta and beans, pet food, coffee
grounds and tea bags.
All this Food recycling to be taken away to an anaerobic digester plant
in Oxfordshire and turned into fertiliser for local farms and
electricity for the national grid.Through this process the food will go
towards creating enough electricity to power 4,200 homes, potentially
saving just over 10,000 tonnes of carbon each year. I was thinking how
little we would have had to "bin" during WW2! ... more >>
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 24-Sep-2012
Should have said "food waste for pigs."
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Sep-2012
just saying to tony ...cant
remember 50s..dustbin..suppose metal and lid..but where..let alone
dustbin man...ha.....always out school etc....yet remember coalman shoot
whole big cwt bag in cupbaord coal hole..no memory rubbish peddle bin
kitchen....BUT..so much less rubbish...huge supermkt packaging
today.......50s fresh veg out garden...no rubbish...compost heap
instead......massive difference rubbish
2012..they come weekly collect and garden greenery fortnightly ...no
cant remember rubbish bin or dustbin.west ave...ha....can remember most
other things....ha..fire ashes went for garden ... more >>
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by Bob Burnard (Member 10252769) on 25-Sep-2012
I have stil got my parents old
metal dustbin and lid with S B C (Southall Borough Council) embossed on
the side. It has braved the elements and is still in good condition.
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Sep-2012
incredible....sbc....metal they
soetimes used them for...a fire.......so we must have had sbc at west
ave....dont remember dust cart coming but must have been out during
day.50s...but they did not put them out on pavement....years now we have
to put all along out there..weekly..quick they tip into big noisy van
and off go so fast....thanks bob..black plastic bins..then black plastic
bags....get me to the
church on time my fair lady...used dustbin lids..tap for the dustmans
song...ha...leather over his shoulder..to rest tip..heavy bins...but far
less than today..packaging...far more...newspaper..paper 50s used to
twist..puff up.make into bricks for the coal fire....allowed bonfires
out back..but smokeless fuel came in ..stop
pollution......1965...boroughs changed..greater london..we would not
have had to go to brookside yeading..if nan had died 1965..but 1961
still southallborough...then....became borough ealing..hayes yeading
changed to borough hillingdon..council houses..catchment....harefield
middx on canal..lie of middlesex herts.boundary..got blurrred...river
colne 3 rivers fray chess..boundary blurr.1965..... ... more >>
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by Bob Burnard (Member 10252769) on 25-Sep-2012
The binmen used to carry a large
tin bath,and put the rubbish from our dustbin and our neighbours,our as
much as he could get in it. then have to carry the bath to the refuse
lorry and empty, where i lived in Regina Rd ,we had a lane at the rear
and the bins were kept there , so you can imagine the walk the binman
had to to empty his bath
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Sep-2012
not many people would know
that.....good knowledge of yours....what difficult times they had....so
much was terrible hard work.......slowly very slowly getting
better...over many yrs......tin bath..off back house hanging..bath in
front fire.....shops selling the..tin items....enamel items....many yrs
before plastic etc came in..regina rd...nan dad were at mt pleasant next
to oak pub to 1928 condemned
so got west ave council hse 3 bedroom.....family still at gordon
rd..and they all knew oak pub regulars from regina rd etc at oak pub by
canal....oak closed about yr ago..it says.......block flats built at
very old house that was right on the side of northhyde bridge
there..about yr now new flats....swans etc.... ... more >>
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by Bob Burnard (Member 10252769) on 25-Sep-2012
I was apprentice at the Tube down
Gordon Rd. Also my fathers friend lived there, Percy Bayliss they both
worked at the Cramic when it was in Western Rd. Percy was a athlete
(walker).I can remember one morning in about 1947/9,My father and I
meeting him at his house.he was all prim and proper, dressed in suit
,waistcoat and tie,and carrying a small suitcase we then caught a bus to
the White City where he
had a event. I remember it being a large meeting, he didnt win but
showed a good account of himself. Cant imagine athletes today doing that
today. Ps it might have been the Olympic Games, as i saw McDonald
Baily, and Arthur Wint run at the same meeting. ... more >>
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Sep-2012
think it was olympics..white city
and wembley stadium..1948...august.....105 went southall to western ave
a40 to white city.....my aunt went dog track racing there....trevor
baylis.....the famous inventor has been on tv often...his family from
old southall..green...then ..moved to lady marg rd..went to dormers
wells school....he is about over70...he went to the yr 2000
reunion.....could be his family......white
city became 1960 bbc tv centre...just closing gradually..gone to new
media tc centre by docks...waters..manchester.........noticed the huge
liverpool canal..of bygone huge cargo traffic....flooded badly these
terrivble recent floods......canals rivers..seas coming over white thick
foam..... ... more >>
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 26-Sep-2012
I think Trevor Bayliss lives on Eel Pie Island now. . . Often seen in Twickenham
- Re: SOUTHALL 830-1982
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Sep-2012
yes he does lived there many yrs
now...the music etc...of old times there...wonder if bob southall
bayliss.of olympics 1948..is related to southall 1950s dormers wells
school trevor.......photos him and his invention clockwork radio on our
boards...africa used...
|
|
photos
|
by roycouch (Member 10232168) on 2-Sep-2012
|
HELP !! A cry for help from an 83 year old fart who is unable to post
old photos of Southall. Can someone please help in words of one syllable
if possible.
- Re: photos
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Sep-2012
if you put them with your
other..of railway tavern pub 1930ish,,,with your dad and men out
front...I will tranfer them to our flickr photos..roy...best
wishes..thankyou.....found your .photo..in google month ago roy..good
photo lots local men.outside
pub..darts..win...league...southall.darts..1927 or something...added it
to our flickr with comment does anybody know men......but dilys.facebook
southall site at least 3 men there...know lots of the old people faces etc.....southall green etc..... ... more >>
- Re: photos
by roycouch (Member 10232168) on 2-Sep-2012
Thanks,Yvonne. I have already put them on that site, but I cannot transfer them to Knowhere Southall.
- Re: photos
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Sep-2012
found you have added them..roy
couch photostream ..in google....football....by the gem..and king
street...will transfer them to our a....also....so they will be on both
sites....thanks.roy...but ..dylis.. photo southall facebook site is
good...3 men there know the old years of southall green and
men..etc..shops..etc....tv then there itv.looks like jellied eels east
end london...nan liked them from
stall northcote pub sundays...eels from canal or thames...foot long
some.....max bygraves of lots kids he worked get extra pennies for his
mum..dad docker rotherhithe,,but money to sing entertain was better..raf
war.helped him...catholic singer at church...you need
hands..song,,,,wanna tell you a story...jelly custard blancmange 1953
street party...tv......9/6 week..rents..of max...we did 19/6 week rent
1930...council...gdad moaned..extra for add electric
etc..1890..1911...2/6 4/6 week old yr of old 1800 labourers
places....council flats new for after war.east end..but no chat on front
door step of old lives...rows dwellings....but great new hot water bath
toilet..luxury... ... more >>
- Re: photos
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Sep-2012
GREAT PHOTOS ROY..1900 KING
ST..GDAD H F HARDY HAIR CUT SHAVE SHOP..WHO IS PAULINE .THE LITTLE GIRL
IN PHOTO......1921 TO 22.ATHLETIC FOOTBALL CLUB SOUTHALL MEN..KNOW ANY
NAMES......REAR GEM CINEMA..UNIGATE PASTURISED MILK FLOAT YOUR DAD
ARCHIE COUCH.......ROY EVERYBODY WANTS KNOW..WHAT SUB STATION ELECTRIC
OR EARLIER RAIL SIGNAL BOX..IS THERE..STILL THERE LISTED BUILDING.RED
BRICK..LITTLE WINDOWS.GOING
UP...STEPS GO UP..KIDS PLAYED ON..GEM CINEMA PROJECTOR EQUIPMENT GOT
STORED IN THERE..BY GEM OLD VICTORIAN LITTLE BUILDING.........IF DYLIS
AND HER SON KEVIN WANT TO TRANSFER YOUR PHOTOS FROM YOURS AND OUR FLICKR
THEY COULD..SO OTHER LOAD OF SOUTHALL GREEN PEOPLE CAN SEE THEM..THEY
ALL LOVE PHOTOS THERE DAILY....ON THE OTHER SOUTHALL PHOTOS SITE.....IF
YOU PUT THEM ON FOR ROY..DYLIS... ... more >>
- Re: photos
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 2-Sep-2012
(Sub station) Generator building for P W Dilloways Ind. estate before the National grid
- Re: photos
by roycouch (Member 10232168) on 2-Sep-2012
Thanks for the interest. Pauline
was my wife, who died on 29th May last. The little girl standing in the
front of the King Street shop was my mother who was born in 1898. My
Aunt Lil is at the window. Archie Couch was my uncle and lived in
Clarence Street. My grandfather eventually moved to No 55 King Street. I
was born in 1929 in the tenement block in The Crescent (a real slum at
the time).
- Re: photos
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Sep-2012
yes remember you saying now
denis..thanks..loads people southall sites ask what it is..listed
building.still there...sub station built for gilloways...so year
gilloways started do you roughly know...others say red brick windows to
top rows...before they think early rail...signal box..but most says
elect sub....ROY...THANKS...1898 SO PHOTO ABOUT 1904..UNCLE ARCHIE..SO
MANY HAD SKILL WITH HORSES..MINE
WINGROVES..HESTON..USED HORSES..EARLY 20TH CENTURY..YEARS..CIG OUT
MOUTH AS WORKED AS MOST WORKERS DID..COLLAR TIE SHIRT SMART NICE FOR
ROUNDS MILK DEPOT.SEEMS BIKE ON TOP VAN....LOVELY DAPPLE GREY
HORSE...WHAT YEAR ROUGHLY...GOOD SOUTHALL FOOTBALL 1922 MEN....DARTS
WINNNING TEAM SOUTHALL 1926/7 THINK..DICKIE BOW OF YOUR DAD...MY GDAD
PHOTO LIKE IT THEY ALL HAD BUTTON HOLE FLOWER..MY UNCLE DID
SUNDAYS..ROSE BUD OR CARNATION FROM HIS GARDEN ... more >>
- Re: photos
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Sep-2012
denis.....just found p w
dilloways ltd..southall in google.........flickr...large advert pages
etc pictures etc...let me know if can add more
- Re: photos
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Sep-2012
amazing amount things in
google..........who remembers me site........dilloways southall 1952 to
54 trevor taylor..1958 to 64 g kerrison......1959 advert large page....4
fure tel number head office southall green..gears..eyc got the royal
warrant..how many years were they there........funny bbc tv page by
it..steel frame circle of new buildng opened 1960 myself worked there
1966...gorgeous building....shep bush white city.. ... more >>
- Re: photos
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Sep-2012
denis....page in
google...dilloway...went to swindon addres....years marked there like
1996..disolved it says company......the southall headoffice dates 1959
page in google...and 1962 jan..and 1964 jan.agricultural
engineering.says london gazette company is southall.....all move change
firms over yrs company house records archive..keep records....wonder
when sub station first built red brick..as you
said before national grid...council have it listed as
historical......google.says dilloways swindon ltd...register office
rochester kent..me3 4dy..but no date ... more >>
- Re: photos
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 2-Sep-2012
Thank you Yvonne as far as i know P W Dilloways Ind. estate dates form about 1933/34
- Re: photos
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Sep-2012
thanks 1933....only thing not
found in google...so 1933 before nat grid...they built red brick sub
station..or estate there if others built it before them.....lots photos
in google of famous sub station there......glasgow.devon..southall the
head office ..agric engineering..metal structures..machine
mining,..quarry......says became incorporated 6.9. 1989...dissolved 26
sept..2000..........final name
was p w gilloway ltd..last accounts were 31 dec 1993.made up......1933
..quaker oats started 1936...loads housing growing 1930s..council houses
etc,,,,, ... more >>
- Re: photos
by Chas Chand (Member 10277855) on 3-Sep-2012
Where are these photos. I would love to see them. I (or rather my parents moved to Southall in 1962)
- Re: photos
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Sep-2012
flickr.southallboard photostream..many are pre 1962..southall and local areas of memories etc
- Re: photos
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 3-Sep-2012
Dilloways restored large
gears with worn teeth by welding & hand grinding them to
shape with a template, they also did digger buckets &
track for cranes & crawler tractors. they also did
electrical work this was done in the sub station you mention
- Re: photos
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 3-Sep-2012
Thanks Yvonne got Dilloways ad up, that takes me back 51/52 years
- Re: photos
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Sep-2012
thanks info...yes advert is
great....wonder was was by gem pre 1933...sub station...unigate milk
depot stables horse van of roy couch uncle...catholic church got built
there.....rail over the way.....THE...1962.parents HERE mentioned would
remember 1962 broadway shops or king street or high st original
shops..we all loved...always interesting to our members...any 1962
from...parents would be great...school
s...1960s also ..we have memories...if share...be great......jobs..work
places 1962..cinema..etc..etc...1962...share please ... more >>
- Re: photos
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 3-Sep-2012
Info based on info i was told at time i worked a Dilloways
- Re: photos
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 4-Sep-2012
Denis
See what I mean about the airport & Sipson?? No part of rural Middlesex is safe now.
- Re: photos
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 4-Sep-2012
Yes Keith im with you so sad as you said our beloved middx will be no more
- Re: photos
by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 5-Sep-2012
Is Southallboard 52 the latest board?
- Re: photos
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 5-Sep-2012
yes.best wishes ..52
- Re: photos
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Sep-2012
all the good people who worked
developing..great industries factories.etc. southall etc..as families
say of their proud southall memories..good town and families hard
work...just found..southall county grammar...ron ottewill..obe..feb 8
1927 died 2008...did chemistry....also beaconsfield school and heston
school..and university degree london...royal society honours and
prizes...antibodies.....his southall
dad was toolmaker...born 1936 my cousin born west ave..our pride his
hard work..southall tech and after..achieved .our pride of his career.. ... more >>
- Re: photos
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 6-Sep-2012
Yvonne, We all know that this
country is a different place and we cannot bring the old one back. But
is anyone really happier now than when we all had so little??
Personally, I would rather be living in 1955 again, and that is because I
don't remember much before that
- Re: photos
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 6-Sep-2012
I am with you Keith the
country has moved on from the 1950s & not for the better
or is it us that are out of touch
- Re: photos
by lynne Allen (Member 10277762) on 6-Sep-2012
Keith, I think it was because we
were kids and to some extent shielded from what was going on around us.
That said I remember the newspapers big ones local Gazette or the
Ghastly news of the World spread out on the table. The stories in them
enough to curl anyone hair. First big headline I read was Big Burther
Prosecuted.Tame by todays standards. Relying on a coal fire to heat the
whole house which it
never did and the wooly jumpers that were either hand me ups or hand me
downs. Teenage years were better than now job wise as we could walk out
of one and into another all in a few hours but the wages were nothing to
write home about. ... more >>
- Re: photos
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 7-Sep-2012
Yes Lynne, and I think that many
of today's problems have been caused by kids going home and sitting in
their bedrooms with computers. We always "played outside" with other
kids, and that social interaction is now gone. But, where can kids
today play a game of "rounders" in the street?? Would they even know
how to play it?? And organising it for THEMSELVES!!?? The 'system'
has even sucked that ability out of them. ... more >>
- Re: photos
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 7-Sep-2012
Keith its called mass control
- Re: photos
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 8-Sep-2012
Denis, you are right . . . .
Where I am now (in Arundel), I have lots of friends of 'our' generation,
mostly from different parts of London. Every one of them thinks that
the 1950s were a 'golden age', without much money, but poorer and
happier in strong family units, (nearly all within walking or cycling
distance in those days too).
- Re: photos
by lynne Allen (Member 10277762) on 8-Sep-2012
Den, were'nt many cars on road
then and people did not grumble about kids on street as theirs were out
there to. Sadly kids chatter outside a house now almost always causes
offence. And the fact that most mums who were home for children are now
forced to work so kids have become latchkey kids. No youth clubs either
but I recall having loads including the Sally Army or St.Georges close
to my home. We had
picture houses and coffee shop and Wimpy bar and often stood on street
corners chatting and apart from an occassional frown were made welcome
not so today kids are often viewed as irritants. What do youngsters have
now that cost little Nowt sad to say. I recall going scrumping with my
brother and getting a telling off Now it would be a visit to Police
station for same thing. Up on my soap box on this but I feel sad that
todays youngsters have been driven indoors and won't have the
experiences and interactive skills we did and as for employment. We
could walk into any number of jobs or apprentaships they aren't there
niether. I think I have argued myself into a corner but hey I am not
sitting here cold (although I know that many still are)or worried
whether the electric will go and I am using a machine my family could
never have afforded to reach out across the world so there is a lot to
be weigh up. ... more >>
- Re: photos
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Sep-2012
lynne.......did you your brother
know jason donovan gdad lived house by northcote pub.years..son terry
went oz.....our dear member len..kept in touch with the gdad..len lived
southall then bit hayes all his long life..........photos old
playgrounds...and southal hanwell...50s etc..carnivals..on our
board...billy smart was invlved ..and tommy trinder..at ravenor pk..one
also...greenford..list street
names there 180 and meanings..southall..by the local social history
society..twyman..mr meads,,etc...canal photos factories and
brentford........also.rail photos 50s etc.bridge
rd.footbridge.spotters... ... more >>
- Re: photos
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 9-Sep-2012
Keith, Lynne to the kids of
today this will be there golden age as they will know no
difference. As you say Lynne as a kid i had unlimited
freedom and a bike i remember cycling to Windsor age 10 and
many other places to airshows ect.
- Re: photos
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 9-Sep-2012
We are all using an
implement of mass control now the computer the powers that be
can read our Emails and anything else they whant
- Re: photos
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Sep-2012
2012 vaste interesting.knowledge
information.communication..broad mind......our country and world..cars
travel.see loads..but as possible control our own lives in how we live
and enjoy..pros and cons..family and broadened to friends..
- Re: photos
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 10-Sep-2012
Denis
We lived in N. Hanwell, but regularly cycled to Heathrow (LAP as it was
called then), Northolt, Elstree, Denham, and once to Redhill. This was
NORMAL then - once we did Northolt, Denham, & LAP on one big
circuit from N.Hanwell. . Felt very tired at the end of that one.
Once did Panshangar in one day too. COULD kids do that today?? Would
they want to??
- Re: photos
by Chris (Member 10220786) on 10-Sep-2012
A few of us girls in the 50's
used to love to cycle to Horsingdon Hill. We all lived in North Road
and Shrubbery Road area. It was such an adventure; all aged appx 11 or
12. Also used to cycle to Uxbridge Swimming Pool and spend the day
there - once we padlocked our bikes to a fence & my friends purse
was lost/stolen with they key in it. A kind man helped us release our
bikes. Happy days.
- Re: photos
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Sep-2012
lovely views top of horsendon
hill.east side..was twin towers now new arch of wembley stadium..off
greenford rd they say now paradise park..by there also now as canal goes
across.....pitsanger park..brent.saw rare sight kingfisher at edge fast
flow..there.......sharon the olympic swimmer opened the new uxbridge
lido few years ago..leisure complex attached where they celebrated party
olympic torch there..in
relay....ruislip rd goes nicely across to lido reservoir..only 12 inch
gauge small train they say......35 mins around wood..£2...precious
greenery saved out harefield,middx grand union canal chiltern hills
horses ..cows..farms...village......more bikes about last month..olympic
inspired and at tow paths... ... more >>
- Re: photos
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 10-Sep-2012
Keith's memory has stirred mine. I
used to go fishing at Staines with a friend,John Brown, and we cycled
across country in the Heathrow area.
Occasionally we went by train from Southall, changing at West Drayton on to the quaint Push and Pull to Staines.
- Re: photos
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 10-Sep-2012
Yes Keith did all thoes and
White Waltham first time i saw Royal Navys Fairy Swordfish
which i am glad to say is still flying with them today,
never did Panshanger
- Re: photos
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 10-Sep-2012
Chirs i also spent many happy hours on Horsenden hill on my bike happy days
- Re: photos
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 10-Sep-2012
P.S Keith also did Brooklands Weybride Surrey.
- Re: photos
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Sep-2012
great fly of kites top
horsendon..wind..nice and high..views greenford..western ave........was
interest this site.of..rare huge barn harmondsworth by sipson saved by
heritage lottery etc money..,,,.ruislip..has the other barn...oldest in
middx...saved last 10yrs now...but.recent with 75% lottery money..the
manor hse.farm hse.open to public free daily...museum..displays audio
visual..like osterley
hse...and..yr1600 wallpaper like they found at kew palace....restored
preserved..yr1200 complex...priory..motte bailey castle.overlooking the
village........200yrs uxbridge being largest corn mkt in middx...lottery
money.etc..preserving manor hse 1570 southall....... ... more >>
- Re: photos
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 10-Sep-2012
One GOOD thing where it seems
better. Being a North Hanwell boy, we were always told not to go near
the Brent as it was so polluted. Nowadays it seems that the pollution
has gone and there is a "Brent Country Park". I would not have believed
that possible 55 years ago.
- Re: photos
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 10-Sep-2012
I used to cycle with my friend to
Runnymede regularly on a Sunday, first on my old "Daisy Bell" and then
on my new bike that I had saved for every week at the Bike shop in
Southall (can't remember the name). We used to meet a crowd of boys who
were always there and play endless hours of rounders. There were masses
of people swimming in the Thames, but I didn't ever venture in there as
it was quite dangerous with the strong current. Wonderful days! ... more >>
- Re: photos
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 10-Sep-2012
Denis, I live not far from White
Waltham Airport, and everytime they had a show on, which people paid to
see by ticket, we just used to stand in our back garden and watch all
the antics in the air. Some of it was quite scary, as they fly so fast.
- Re: photos
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Sep-2012
greenford etc factories polluted
the canal..and brent...but change in all that..kingfisher getting fish
out of the brent..saw....and canal over 10yrs...recenty hug money
spent....pollution cars lorries coal etc...clean looking many parts..and
london today parade medals 21 floats..clean portland stone millions and
years took...but lots clean looking everywhere..gt architecture
saved...love to my miss
baker 2 golds equestrian..virus of spine after birth...came to my school
age 11 to 6th form..held library door open for her wheelchair to
computers..c of e high sch..later could use a stick for short
while..pretty eyes smile and warm lovely personality..uxbridge
family...gold letter box..and isleworth gold box for mo farah.hounslow
dad....and another gold letter box middx winner..stamps also...age 22
now she came to talk to pupils..lovely girl..knew her nicely..gt
pride..in our youngsters ... more >>
- Re: photos
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Sep-2012
denham...airfield still
used.....fly lessons every weekends etc..circle the grand union
canal...lakes 3 rivers.......northolt...sept duke kent war
memorial.....spitfire fly over....arrives hanger
friday....saturday..circles airfield tribute ..polish pilots etc ..go
over it...and circle tip wing tribute as leaves 7pm.saturday....last
week...amaze clear blue high sky..see moon.to 12.30..lunchtime...huge
sunsets.....took photos canal..weekend...clear huge reflections..wlllow
tree etc..thatch cottage..hills.. heron aylesbury white duck etc..in
grandunion. and to see jumbos stream white..so high in sky..far lifted
off from heathrow..usually cloud not poss...my aunt uncle
cycled...runnymead fishing..ruislip village..sundays bike..1930s....from
west ave southall prince philip learned pilot 1952 your airport
waltham....we used to get airship over because of wembley stadium...he
waved at me as I was doing gardening..ha.... fly past today
palace........we get the queens ones....as leave the palace going
west..diamond formations etc...cranford lane drove to for last
concorde..flight...and south side our garden.....lucky..saw it ......
tony had it 4pm..daily at his feltham home.. ... more >>
- Re: photos
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Sep-2012
typoons 3 of palace fly past
olympics..over northolt airport tribute to...all the weeks
security..provided northolt.....3.50 pm...gt arrows today...extra circle
they did..back onto their own red white blue...stream....london looks
beautiful these last months..so very beautiful...as it is
- Re: photos
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 10-Sep-2012
Pauline would that be Evans
bike & pram shop in the Uxbridge Road, they used to put
some very good airshows on at White Waltham it was also the
base for the very brave ladys of A.T.A in WW11 the local
churchyard has a number graves of these lady flyers &
female aircrew.
- Re: photos
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 10-Sep-2012
Yes, you're right Denis.It was
Evans the bike and pram shop. I think most of Southall used to buy their
bikes there. The only thing with White Waltham airport is, sometimes an
unexpected plane, like a jet, will suddenly whizz across the rooftops -
it seems - and frightens the life out of you. I often wonder who are in
the helicopters when they are going towards London Airport.
- Re: photos
by Chris (Member 10220786) on 10-Sep-2012
Pauline, not only did my bike
come from EVANS at the top of Oswald Road but also my daughters pram in
1964. However, the bike was second hand to me. Before I had it it
belonged to my sister-in-law who lived in Oswald Road until 1957.
- Re: photos
by Bob Burnard (Member 10252769) on 10-Sep-2012
Youve got me thinking now ,which
isnt a good sign. Can anyone remember the name of the bike shop in The
Green opposite Southall Hospital, and the one down Norwood rd ,first row
of shops passed the Swan, i know the one in King St, Hardys. and was
Mal Rees shop selling racing bikes at the top of Lady Margaret Rd
- Re: photos
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 10-Sep-2012
I'd forgotten about White Waltham
Used to get the Thames Valley route "B" bus from LAP (was stop outside
the Peggy Bedford or was it outside the 3 Magpies??) straight to
Maidenhead then get another T.V. bus to W.Waltham airfield. Happy days
- Re: photos
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 10-Sep-2012
Oh, the sound of the "Peggy
Bedford" - that was a lovely pub. That's gone now. Opened in 1928,
demolished in 1995. When I was younger it always looked such a grand
place. Guess what it changed to. What else - A McDonald's restaurant and
petrol station!
- Re: photos
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 10-Sep-2012
Chris, I was in Langley in 1958
when I bought our first pram. My neighbour had a ticket to Hounsditch
Warehouse, London and I can still see that pram in my mind's eye. It was
a Churchill and had a white chassis and a navy hood. That pram used to
hold all my shopping in the bottom of it, underneath the boards, and the
baby on top. It was never ever used for transporting coke though (as in
earlier days) but stood
the test of time for another baby. It travelled very well on GWR trains
in the guard's van from Langley to Slough, and Langley to Southall and
Hayes, and I believe it ended up as a go-cart, but not for my two! Such
happy days. ... more >>
- Re: photos
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 10-Sep-2012
Bob it was Vic Humphreys
at the top of Lady Marg. Rd he started at Lady Marg, Parade
at the pub end after the war, i bought a new Viking racing
bike off him in 1958, mum bought Triumph ladys bike from
Evens in 1956
- Re: photos
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 11-Sep-2012
Keith - Although I don't really
know, but I would think the bus stop you refer to would have been
outside the "Three Magpies" as that was much closer to London Airport.
The "Peggy Bedford" was nearer to the Colnbrook Bye-Pass.
- Re: photos
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 11-Sep-2012
I think you're right Pauline.
The 'B' bus from Victoria to Maidenhead (or Reading??) stopped at what
was then known as "London Airport North" and was quite a well used
service.
- Re: photos
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 12-Sep-2012
Although I have got all the
Photoboards on my PC, I have been trying to find the photo of "The Three
Magpies" which I know is on there. Haven't found it yet, but noticed
that if I type in the following, it will get all our Photoboards. Maybe
it's because I have got them already, but it's worth a try!
Flickr southallboard49@yahoo.co.uk's photostream
Or whatever number you need
- Re: photos
by lynne Allen (Member 10277762) on 12-Sep-2012
It appears that your generation
had far far more freedom than mine. We were always kept to Southal only
later venturing further afield after I left school. I left just before
my 15th birthday at christmas time and all the rest of my class left at
Easter or September so all of a sudden I was grown up and the world grew
bigger to me. First wage £5.12/6 which seemed a princly sum after
recieving half a crown
pocket money a week. Then reality hit me regarding housekeeping etc. I
then understood a little of my mum and dad's struggles to bring 7 of us
up and realised why my dad worked all the hours he did to give us the
best childhood including regular holidays which many of my friends never
had. Remember going to Odeon picture house in South Road or to the flee
pit Warpole in West Ealing. Years later I worked in Rouses which as a
kid I had thought was dead glam but soon realised that was not the case
but I enjoyed my time there.I used to spend most of my wages in Jandi
(not sure if that's how it's spelt) along by Southall woolworths or the
little jewish shop at the top of Saxon Road. We used to pop in there see
what we liked from their back room (more modern stuff than they
displayed in front)and they would put it away for us till paid for. I
recall there being a fur shop in that parade somewhere and my friend
Anne Worman getting rabbits tails and other bits of fur. The only shop
in the high street that is still trading under the same name is Venus's
the Papershop. I visited it recently and it looks so much smaller than I
recall. Am off to the Wednesday market next week to see whether much
has changed in the layout. I worked on the net curtain stall at 13yrs
each Saturday for 30s and friends worked on a Wednesday with the horses
although strictly they should have been at school. Recently brough
another copy of Ron Brewers The Donkey Man's book and thoroughly enjoyed
second read. ... more >>
- Re: photos
by Chris (Member 10220786) on 12-Sep-2012
I remember Jandi's......(can't
remember the spelling either). It was always lit up during the dark
evenings as most shops were. I loved looking in the window &
wishing I could afford this or that. Actually it was quite a cheap shop
to buy clothes but as you say, money was tight. Also liked to look in
Elands Shop window. I did buy a dress in there when I was 15 and a BIG
frilly pink petticoat from Cousins to go under it. Chris x ... more >>
- Re: photos
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Sep-2012
lynne........short page
here,,,has from dane rd...years list people....and saxon rd..click top
of here.mauve word southall.....pauline..have been..magpies and peggie
bedford..over yrs...try 47..46..48..6...have one to put on with bus
along it..52will try......30 bath rd..in google the 3 magpies pub bath
rd..few pages list of some with photos of pub.....google sipson site has
magpies.....1911 census
still free tonys gdad gmum...there by at magpie cottage..dad spoke of
running across,,heathrow land as young person...farm..fruit orchards
quarry gravel..etc..workings...aerial hotel but old pub that was
before...and 2 pubs called magpie...one was the old magpies....1700s the
magpies was called 3 pigeons.....listed building...but right on top of
sipson.bath rd...historic area...old london coaching..main route.... ... more >>
- Re: photos
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 12-Sep-2012
I can empathise with you Lynne on
getting your first job. I had to leave Southall Grammar school when I
was just fourteen as I had to earn my keep. I was the eldest of five and
the war had just ended in 1945 and I got a job as a junior clerk at the
Cow & Gate Milk Depot in Greenford, right near the Western Avenue
roundabout. Unlike you, we didn't get any pocket money, and I can
remember my first wage packet when I received the princely sum of £1-9 pence.
I thought I was really grown up, and it was good to give my mum most of
my money, but still had enough left for my fares and other things. I can
remember having to creep up the stairs with my brother David to my dad
who was sleeping it off after his visit to the Northcote Alms on a
Saturday afternoon to ask him for some money so that we could go to the
pictures! Now I was earning, I was able to treat my brother occasionally
as he was five years younger than me. I loved my job, especially using
the old fashioned telephone system when I had to ring round the milk
shops in Greenford, turning a handle to ring them. I also had a friend
who worked at the large garage next door and used a loudspeaker, and we
used to have lots of chats in the morning before the bosses got in. I
got caught one day when Mr Keogh arrived and I was on the phone. He said
"No wonder I can never get through in the morning to the office." There
was a large stable out in the big yard where the horses were kept, and I
loved it when I had to take a message out to one of the staff as the
boys would always be giving me 'wolf whistles'. Don't get any nowadays
at 81! We had to work until 6pm, and in the winter go home in the dark.
I only stayed there for a year as I didn't fancy being given one of the
milkman's books to manage. As you say, it was so easy in those days to
get another job - unlike today! I cried when I left as it had been a
happy year, and a whole new experience. ... more >>
- Re: photos
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 12-Sep-2012
Thank you Yvonne for photos of
the Three Magpies" pub on Southallboard52. I can remember seeing the old
thatched pub, as we often walked past there when we visited my
sister-in-law who lived in a cottage off Harlington high street.
- Re: photos
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Sep-2012
good..lovely....just noticed in
google....old book..scroll each page reading...called..the bath rd...by
charles g harper..lovely old illustrations....maidenhead
thicket...magpies..cranford hse haunted...berkley arms..langley
almshouses...bath windsor george3rd..slough..hounslow high st mile,,2000
post horses..coaches etc day night so close many that it was like
procession..then to hyde pk corner....tonys
dad spoke of his memories.parents cottage by magpies after 1918..and
feltham life.....midwife gdaughter was on songs praise sing solo church
going to be midwife from uni..1973 jenny lee worth.left to do her love
of piano.poverty 1957 docks london..she lived amersham only about
18ish.trained nurse reading.died throat cancer as filming ending. ... more >>
- Re: photos
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-Sep-2012
as you say..was custom
,fashion..for hard work all the week worked saturdays often as
well....but sunday lunchtime..men met up with friends.good natter...walk
to pub....good couple hrs...then home for sunday dinner...and up the
stairs..kip...in afternoon....up for sunday tea...if winkles bread
butter from pub lunch stall......less but 1960s.was also..my uncle
chatted to friends the landlord landlady..and
they took him..off to surrey their home.a visit.one sunday
afternoon.from brookside yeading.......1950s women home..had to scrub
all veg out of rows in garden..wireless forces..family favourites.sunday
lunch music..all chaps..fine but one heard of..neighbour she took the
dinner plate into pub..because he was too much there..grans families
back in time had 7..or more children... ... more >>
- Re: photos
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 16-Sep-2012
You talking about scrubbing the
vegetables from the garden in the 1950's Yvonne, I can remember we
always used to put a pinch of salt in the water to coax the nasties out.
That was cabbages and lettuces bought from the shops as well. Many
years ago, my husband told me to put slug pellets around the garden to
get rid of the slugs. It was a very warm summer's evening, and when I
cane down in the nmorning
and looked out in the garden it was like a massacre. There were snails,
slugs, everything dead and dying everywhere. They filled a bucket. I
howled while I was collecting them, and I vowed I would never use those
pellets again. This year, with all the rain we've had, the slugs have
had a field day with certain of my plants, but I still won't use the
pellets as I have several hedgehogs in my garden at night, and I will
not put them in danger! ... more >>
- Re: photos
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Sep-2012
YES PROBLEM SLUG PELLETS
HEDGEHOG.....but have to use pellets..bit...had nice hedgehogs over
yrs..noise at night..they like bit of chicken bone etc...baby ones 2inch
long..beer under cup etc snalis slugs...but yes slime..massacre...but
have to do something..they eat every little shoot comes up..so no
flowers...manage to get bit colour each yrs...but oh those slugs
snails...yes salt..our veg garden..west
ave carrot parsnip cabbage broad beans black fly..runner beans
great.....sprouts...cabbage pulling as winter got tough...my aunt from
her..mum...bicarb in water..made it boil higher temp..and ..sunday roast
dinner...cabbage was nice..cook bit better..but her 1936 born john
son..used to tell her off ..habit still use bicarb in 60s..ha..nan of
born 1890..her mkt gardening..family..cranford lane all organic..local
veg....she must have got idea there...peas sunday chuck.on back door
step...taters..keep the old eyed ones use grow next yr..and bean green
or mauve..kept beans for grow....hose pipe watering 9pm..tomatoes were
gt...lettuce but .ha..wash well...brickfields land..but gdad must have
enriched it... ... more >>
- Re: photos
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 16-Sep-2012
Sorry, but slug pellets should be
banned. They are responsible for the decline of thrushes particularly
who eat the poisoned slugs and snails. Also hedgehogs are being wiped
out becauseof the use of these things too. I would rather have the
thrushes and hedgehogs and find other ways of dealing with the slugs.
We have no hedgehogs left around here now.
- Re: photos
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 16-Sep-2012
I have just seeen this suggestion in Google to keep slugs off your plants.
"Hammer out some copper pipe and put it around the stem at ground level slugs and snails wont cross copper."
Another tip says to use copper tape! I've never heard of this.
- Re: photos
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Sep-2012
pauline janice............ref
dormers seniors .born 1937/8......had weekend afternoons out gt
weather.....ruislip lido..free daily exhibition room there.photo DORMERS
1949 AGE 11/12 GIRLS. visit.LIDO UNIFORM HAT.girls..put photo on
board52......gt displays..in reservoir.DETAILS.water
creatures...woods..part of conserved whole vaste .way back in history of
vaste middx woodlands expanse...gt badger birds..cabinets
DISPLAYS size eggs..nests..etc.butterflies....still long horn
cattle..there today..egyptian geese.cormorants...photos display cliff
young ones filmed..1936 official opening lido..railway only 12 inch inch
country steam etc.around lake....seeds and little plantlets
expensive..get bit of colour..for garden..quick EASY as most people
do..need stop all eaten away......hedgehog outside my kitchen door last
night medium to large size nearly fell over.it....at west ave we had
them under shed from was airraid shelter..squirrels all many types
birds..we get...every year...thrush bashes snails on
path......seagulls..woodpigeon..sparrow hawk..kestral
once...woodpecker..lesser white throat warbler..taken photos of in OUR
garden.... ... more >>
- Re: photos
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 17-Sep-2012
I see we are about the fist
test Bager cull why is it every thing has to move over
because the human race coming
- Re: photos
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 17-Sep-2012
Suppose it is the cows that is giving T B to the badgers??
- Re: photos
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 17-Sep-2012
Keith they think thats what happend in the first place, as i said look out the human race is coming
|
|
red flags
|
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 31-Aug-2012
|
Suddenly my pages have been covered in red flags.
Could someone please remind me how to remove then Thanks.
- Re: red flags
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 31-Aug-2012
I've had them for several days
also. SCROLL DOWN TO END OF PAGE. GO TO NEXT PAGE AND THEN BACK TO
FIRST PAGE. RED MARKS WILL BE GONE!
- Re: red flags
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 31-Aug-2012
Pauline go to the bottom of the page klick back to the last page then back that should do it
- Re: red flags
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 31-Aug-2012
I know Denis.I've just told Michael that!!
- Re: red flags
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 31-Aug-2012
Sorry Pauline i meant Michael
- Re: red flags
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 31-Aug-2012
I've had them for about a week.
They SEEM to make no difference, but I don't know what the reason for them is.
- Re: red flags
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 31-Aug-2012
mystery of it all...ha.....have
had them in the past....but none for a while now...none this
week...ha.not seen red flags while now.......coulter detailed item good
read in google...all southall and areas 40s 50s etc...rail..footbridge
etc...turntable etc...memories in google...several photos wobbly planks
footbridge train spotters on our boards...closed long time now...short
cut to walls ..but walls
ended 1970s..quaker started 1936 photos our board..etc etc.photos
pulley track money rail shooting across ceiling stores money bill to
cashier comes back with change receipt..like clifton brown draper high
st..etc... ... more >>
- Re: red flags
by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 31-Aug-2012
To paraphrase Lord Nelson "I see no red flags!"
- Re: red flags
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 31-Aug-2012
YVONNE - there's a message
further down in Roy's Rice Pudding whose grandparents lived in West
Avenue, called Mr & Mrs Weedon,across the road from Pop Bowden!
- Re: red flags
by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 1-Sep-2012
There was a boy Weedon lived near us in Manaton Cres nr Jubilee Park can't think of his first name Eric or Brian perhaps.
- Re: red flags
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Sep-2012
DEAR LYNN
ALLEN............THANKYOU pauline think I would never have seen
that............yes weedon were our neighbours........we lived top west
ave number 16.ackers..with uncle opposite at 23..weedon was 7 or 9 up
the top west side.......our len here on site knew them well...he lived
by there many years.of his mum and dad goddard ..think he said his mum
lived to her 90s..len born 1925...my nan moved
in 1928..like the weedons would have done..new council
houses......their back garden alley way grass bushes..went into
northcote pub alley way.......p bowden must have been our east side
number 6 or so perhaps...nice front large gardens they all had
flowers..privet hedges...we had boyland..and cornell..since 1928 ish
next to us 18 and 14...friends reunited...has list streets.....several
there from..our door numbers..with memories going back through
decades.....grubbans grocer..through alley along by weedon we all used
and off licence.snug.room by publc bar for penny back off bottle stout
return or such..we all used the broadway stalls veg..and long back
gardens many of us grew rows veg..war and into the 1960s chickens down
shed bottom garden...we went tudor rd and dormers schools..north rd
near...your grandparents..1953 was tressels street party
coronation...shakleton hall..often used our wedding receptions..best
wishes ..google street view shows 2008 concrete fronts now..lady and her
small children who moved into ours we knew....lived there yrs but gone
now...weedon the kids would use spikes pk as we
did....canal......woolworths at top our rd..gone now...havelock all our
s..buried...cinema used regularily the palace and white hart odeon..and
snooker hall top at top alexandra rd.....and trolley bus west ealing
shops..hayes hanwell heston hounslow used to be nice...but lots
changes..uxbridge nice new shop mall.....we all used hillingdon
hospital..doctor braun etc..prefabs dr cline.. ... more >>
- Re: red flags
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Sep-2012
fred...doing family tree and all
local census...and post office directories.....weedon is one of the most
noticed names..1800s 1900s local....moved into southall from local as
many of us did...north hyde.yeading northolt ..hayes into southall...and
weedon..early yrs 1800s ..came in from
ruislip...harefield..locally.....1891 census free in google.....many
local names can be seen...living working..dwellings
addresses kids ..and most had huge families..victorian...7..10 kids
etc..so the boys names show up 50s 60s all those yrs later....1911 uk
census still free in google...been busy with it few weeks now ancestry.. ... more >>
- Re: red flags
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 1-Sep-2012
Thanks folks,all is well now.
I think the original idea of the flag
system, was identify offensive entries. Can't see this happening on our
site.
- Re: red flags
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Sep-2012
yes mike we are one of the very
best sites.....wonderful....fred ..like your nelson commment ...his poor
one eye..clever man knew how to make most of it....I see no
flags...message from admiralty...brave..his
gt.experience..trafalgar...wonder how..all would have been without the
gt turning points..and kaiser and nazi...let alone gradual.advances for
the good today..so lucky greenwich portsmouth today..everything there interesting visits... ... more >>
- Re: red flags
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 1-Sep-2012
I've repeated my message again
Lynne as it's a long way down the site.Yes, I remember Tapioca Puddings
Lynne. I lived in Northcote Avenue opposite the Ive family who sold
fruit and vegetables. My sister, Jennifer Hackman, used to go to Tudor
road school with a girl called Weedon. I can't remember her first name
though. My brothers used to put me off when we had Tapioca Pudding as
they used to say it looked like something very unpleasant!! Lovely memories of Southall.
... more >>
- Re: red flags
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Sep-2012
PAULINE EVERYBODY...tonight
tv..proms..broadway..south pacific west side story porgy bess.dont rain
my parade.funny girl.gershwin.show boat.on your toes..bernstein.cole
porter..gt white way..gt orchestra singers.god fun....gilbert sullivan
was good few days ago....we had have some of the LPs from hayes
emi..seen couple on stage.london..
- Re: red flags
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 1-Sep-2012
fings aint what they used to
be........sadly max bygraves passed away last night alzeimers last
months..his wife last year....son anthony said who did stage with
dad...daughters home oz..2005 when max left millionaire home sandbanks
poole...our visits bournemouth he often on stage...and palladium..royal
variety..obe....my aunt had his emi singalong LPs..deck cards..origin
civil war usa.......toothbrush///wanna
tell you a story...film..cry from streets..saw good...born
rotherhide..some geneology did from our branches there..was walter
william bygraves...max miller think he copied name..89..gave lovely tv
records pleasure... ... more >>
- Re: red flags
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 2-Sep-2012
My red flags have disappeared today
- Re: red flags
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 2-Sep-2012
I still had mine this morning!
- Re: red flags
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Sep-2012
why is it some have some dont
..strange....in past saw them but not for a while...not changed or done
anything to computer...ha....repeat of tv ..then now programme at
1.30....perhaps it is series...1953 ..years.....
- Re: red flags
by Phyl Hutnell (Member 10234816) on 2-Sep-2012
Hi everyone. My mother's maiden
name was Weedon and she was the youngest in a family of 8. I seem to
recall my Uncle, Charlie Weedon, lived somewhere around West Avenue. Did
West Avenue link on from Dane Road? I had an Auntie Edie who lived in
Dane Road, and I think my Uncle and his family lives a bit further along
and over the other side of the road.
- Re: red flags
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Sep-2012
was charlie wife name lou.west
ave top.near alexandra ave joining it to top at woolworths......1950s
hard to remember family speaking..but did they say weedon at west side
west ave number 7 or 9...was lou..for louise suppose........yes dane
rd...goes through alley from west ave...alley to northcote ave then
alley just there to dane rd....dane rd..went all the way down and swung
around to spikes bridge pk...lots weedon about many years big family several generations.... ... more >>
- Re: red flags
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 2-Sep-2012
Hi Phil. No, West Avenue backed
on to Northcote Avenue back gardens, probably from the Northcote Arms.
Dane road was next to Saxon road, and was accessible through an
alleyway. We used to walk from Northcote Avenue to get to Tudor road
school and cut through Dane road. There was an established alley in Dane
road to our school which was still there, exactly the same,in 2000,
when my brother David took me there.
- Re: red flags
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 2-Sep-2012
LYNNE ALLEN - I've just spoken to
my sister (maiden name Jennifer Hackman), and she said it was Pamela
Weedon that she knew. They were very good friends and went to Tudor road
school together and Dormers Wells school. She couldn't remember you,
but probably you were a different age. Jennifer was born in 1939!
Jennifer excelled in sports at both Tudor road school and Dormers
Wells.I have a family photo somewhere of Pamela, Jennifer and another girl. I think they were in their sports clothes! ... more >>
- Re: red flags
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 2-Sep-2012
PHYL - I've just asked my sister
whereabouts Pamela Weedon lived, and she said as far as she can
remember, it was at the bottom of Dane road, where it leads into Spikes
Bridge road. Northcote Avenue was just around the corner.
- Re: red flags
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 2-Sep-2012
Just seen Len Godard's entry in
2011, and he said the Weedon family lived at number 9 West Avenue. Len
is still helping us with our queries!
- Re: red flags
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Sep-2012
YES THOUGHT IT WAS 9 OR
7...THANKS LEN..PAULINE..LOVELY....len would have known charlie name and
probably his wife..WONDER IF PAMELA WAS OF A BROTHER.....CHARLIE AT
WEST AVE AND DAD OF PAMELA LIVING DANE......LIKE WE HAD 5 MEMBERS LIVING
ALL AROUND THE ROADS......big families PEOPLE COULD WALK
SUNDAYS.visit..NOT NEED BUS.......yes saxon road running between..short
only got down to norman ave....I walked
the alley at northcote arms pub.to saxon....funny L shape scared me as
kid..because could not see end....rush to get around corner.and
safe....come out saxon..with dane next rd.......the 1911 census and 1914
post office directory has all the names..southall etc..weedon etc...all
there...and the free census 1891 southall in google...also.. ... more >>
- Re: red flags
by Janice Johnson (Member 10240407) on 3-Sep-2012
PAULINE - I can just about
remember Jennifer Hackman when I was at Dormers - we are the same age
give a few months either way. An athletic girl, quite tall and easily
tanned in the summer. I'm not sure how we would have met, perhaps at
Dormers or in Northcote when we moved to 161 in the early 1950s. Wonder
if the name Janice Johnson rings a bell with her!
- Re: red flags
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 3-Sep-2012
JANICE - I just caught my sister
as she was going out of the door. Yes, she remembered you instantly from
Dormers Wells. Didn't have any time to disciss it any more, but will
get back to you if I hear anything interesting! I think it's lovely.
- Re: red flags
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 3-Sep-2012
Janice: we corresponded on the
FriendsReunited(as it was!) concerning the Rossoff family. You may
recall that my friend Howard Pullen was married to Sheila(Gay) Rossoff. I
am sorry to say that Howard died last year. Havev no news about Betty.
- Re: red flags
by Phyl Hutnell (Member 10234816) on 3-Sep-2012
Yvonne, my Uncle Charlie's wife's
name was Alice. They had quite a big family - can't remember all the
names. I was born in 1939 and I seem to recall a cousin about the same
age as me. Could have been Pamela, but not sur, the family as a whole
was so big and quite widespread throughout Southall. Most of the cousins
were a lot older than me, as I was a bit of an "afterthought"!
- Re: red flags
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 3-Sep-2012
JANICE - I spoke to my sister
again, and she couldn't remember much more. We left Northcote Avenue in
1952, just before the schools would be returning in September. Jennifer
was gutted as she would have been Captain at Dormers Wells, but had to
go to Heston school instead. She told me to ask you if you remembered
the girls in the Farrance family right at the end of Northcote Avenue.
The Marks family were still living there when we left. That's the house you moved into. ... more >>
- Re: red flags
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 3-Sep-2012
thanks phyl....as kids we have
knew the ladies as mrs this or that...not hearing their christian names
much...locally my aunt and nan born 1914..1890...they knew all their
ladies local when they were kids...but custom was very much granny this
or that or aunt..out of respect..but not
related..........afterthought...ha.....my nan had babies 1911 to
1925.several had late baby...........as cousins....we
had 1835 to 1958..the grandchildren...so young ones thought their older
ones were their aunts rather than cousin..ha.....thanks.....think
charlie alice there long time...my nan moved in new.house there 1928.end
terrace...large places they were.. ... more >>
- Re: red flags
by lynne Allen (Member 10277762) on 3-Sep-2012
Hi All,Thanks for responses they have certainly jogged my memories.
My Grandparents were Fred and Hilda Weedon. They lived across the road
from Pop Bowden not sure if number 7-9. They had a lilac tree in the
garden by the front door I think it's still there. We lived in Dane road
my brother still does. My Mum Olive's sisters Dorothy and Joyce and
brothers Eric and Den all moved out of the area but
her many Aunts and Uncles etc lived right across Southall probably
still do. One of her Aunties lived 2 doors from us in dane road Auntie
Edie Hope who had two sons one of them married a lovely girl called
Josie White from Spikebridge Road. Auntie Edie was housbound and I used
to do all her shopping in Baldwin's or the Maypole.Bread always from
the Post Office (best jam doughnuts in the world all crisp and jammy)but
if they sold out I went to Parkers. Rowse for her wet fish and they
only fried fish a couple of times a week. I remember Other Family names
were Richards or Richardsons they lived in Carlisle Road and then moved
to corner house dane road/Spikebridge road and the Westons. Years later
I worked for Dick Turners the Greengrocer and later for Wallis's (Old
Fine Fare Shop) at the top of Alexander Avenue. Ive's had a shop just
alongside Dick'and another up by Woolworth's. Also had a lorry that
toured the streets twice a week. I moved out in 73 but Southall will
always be home. ... more >>
- Re: red flags
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Sep-2012
BEST WISHES.nan and 6 aunts
uncles lived 16 west ave 1928 onwards..did fred hilda have a female a
daughter living with them..1950s..woman we knew weedon living
there..think....woolies we all used..30s 50s 60s..sad
gone.....parkers..used decades...war they did rations along .our
broadway shops....23 west ave ackers my uncle.....bowden..lots them ..in
southall records...number 6/8..must have been......did
your family...know of ..fereday brothers..lived..10/12 west
ave...boylan..or boyland lived..many yrs 14.west ave..widow with 2/3
grown up spinster daughters.there..eileen think one was......cornell bob
elsie daughter joan lived there decades number 18.......northcote
pub..clinic.alley went to saxon......does your brother of dane know the
alleys we all used through to dane...cut for shops and tudor rd
school....high gates fenced off now...but do they still exsist.......low
short cut walk bumpy field old victorian dump swampy at spikes
bridge.gone now huge high growth to brookside larch crescent yeading
lane..our member lived dane road many years 1940s..lots memories ... more >>
- Re: red flags
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Sep-2012
keep seeing here and for your
brother yourself and families..will guide you to our 3 yr
collection...rare photos..etc...southall and local...back through all
decades...special.amaze..managed..surprise..photos
etc...fascinating...you can keep for family..as memories..will show you
how.......took hubby back west ave...20 yrs ago...2 yrs ago north
rd....2yrs ago...yeading marina.was old brickfields etc....spikes
bridge tow path..and massive..high growth..brookside...took lots
photos......we have 1950 taken photo on old spikes
bridge.view.ha.........spikes money there ..transform
sport.......dormers huge money built there.huge1400 students...was girls
school 1966..my aunt there 1934 when opened...2008/5 street view we
have all used...greatly..so bee around the roads that way...concrete
front gardens for cars now.....net curtains..our 1930 to 1970..families
had..privet...flowers..fronts..lawn..fronts..no cars down west ave
etc..only tonys.bike icecream corona pop drinks.coal man..horse..ha.. ... more >>
- Re: red flags
by Janice Johnson (Member 10240407) on 4-Sep-2012
Pauline - I think we must have
moved to Northcote around the time Jennifer was moving away. I can't
recall the name Farrance but do remember the Marks family who lived next
door to us for a while. Mrs Marks was a tiny lady, very friendly. There
was a daughter who worked in a framing factory - don't know the name or
where it was - and she got two frames for some embroidery work that my
mother had done and
these embroidered picture hung on the walls of wherever she lived after
moving from Northcote. My mother died in 1997 and the same pictures in
the same frames were hanging on the wall of her flat - 45 years later. I
had them re-framed and they now hang on my bedroom wall - reminds me of
her everytime I look at them. One of the Marks sons bred budgerigars
and sold my mother one for 10s.6d - my father with great patience taught
it to talk - and it lived to the great age of 17. Another son was
'away' when we moved to Northcote but returned home after a year or two
and, as far as I know, went 'straight' ever after - hope so, he was a
good-looking chap. The Hill family moved in after the Marks left and the
Dudmans lived the other side of us. Just rambling on as per usual but
it might jog memories for you too. ... more >>
- Re: red flags
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Sep-2012
if it helps...the well
known..framing factory southall ..maany yrs....was haigh....picture
frame and did prints...won prizes for their work london exhibitions...in
google.....our member is daughter of haigh johnson....was mayor
southall...she now lives isle wight.......framing...lots employees lived
local at clifton rd..wren ave....by canal..norwood wolfe
bridge...couple of our ,members worked there.....it
was the ancient norwood flour mill tall high..building by canal...then
haigh framing took over....ebay on computer has several of their
prints..frames there...says southall on the back....... ... more >>
- Re: red flags
by Phyl Hutnell (Member 10234816) on 4-Sep-2012
Hi Lynne. Your mum Olive was my
cousin, so your grandad Fred must have been my Uncle. Nice to know that
some of the family are still around.
- Re: red flags
by Janice Johnson (Member 10240407) on 4-Sep-2012
Yvonne - Many thanks. By the
way, is the Haigh Johnson member who lives on the IoW first-named Doreen
by any chance, do you know?
- Re: red flags
by Janice Johnson (Member 10240407) on 4-Sep-2012
Michael - Yes, I remember we had
an exchange of emails regarding the Pullens and Rosoffs sometime ago.
Betty was living, I think, in Basingstoke at one time. She was one of
the Faeries in the North Road school production of A Midsummer's Night's
Dream along with me, Yvonne Lambert, Joyce Mates, Janet Aldous, Barbara
Piner. So many years ago now!
- Re: red flags
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Sep-2012
she typed several times on our
site here 2 yrs ago..or so...dee ferris..father johnson haigh...mayor
southall.1958........her mum and dee isle wight..if she still has
mum........her photo...southall 1958 mayor members...other mayors..names
listed on our photo board 31.flickr photostream........haigh with
dickie bow tie.......dee also year ago typed on the other southall site
of dylis.....know old facesouthall..facebook.....several
people on there also talk of frames factory.....dee spoke of north
rd...etc areas.......asked her for photos she must have good collection
southall...but..she did not come on site often..... ... more >>
- Re: red flags
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Sep-2012
in google....dee ferris
facebook...... photo.....of her in recent later life..now..nice
photo..isle wight of her....facebook so she belongs to dylis site...dee
spoke knew people of north rd..etc...areas there......mr marks is one of
the mayor dignitaries in her dads photo.1958....list names people
there...in google ..several times the photo.....in google
- Re: red flags
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 4-Sep-2012
JANICE - I got it wrong that you
moved into the Marks house. Yes, Mrs Marks was a tiny lady with very
dark eyes. I will have to ask Jennifer about them as she knew the
daughter. I remember Mrs Dudman and her son Paul. He was a great big
chap. Didn't ever see a man there though. Mrs Dudman was always singing
with her back bedroom window wide open, and she had such a lovely
voice! The Tilleys used to
live at the end of your block, and I believe Mrs Ellis lived in the
house you moved into. Did you know the "Strange" family who lived across
the road from you in a big house on the corner of Northcote Avenue and
Spikes Bridge road. They were a very large family, mostly ginger haired,
and the dad's name was Sammy Strange. He was a godsend during the war
as he used to acquire very large pieces of cheese which were distributed
amongst the neighbours. All very hush hush! Thinking about the alleys
that ran down the back of your house and ours, I remember as children
during the war, we used to put a show on with an old curtain up and our
mum's chairs. and used to have different people singing, etc. We had
biscuits and a drink for a farthing or a halfpenny. Happy days. ... more >>
- Re: red flags
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Sep-2012
in google index our
site.....doreen haigh july 2009.typed .born 26 townsend 1937 doc john
was number 6...mike replied to her august....dont think found dee on
friends reunite....be gt if we could get photos southall from her...she
was busy..local helping wk..and mum was elderly..
- Re: red flags
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 4-Sep-2012
JANICE - I remember that Doreen
Haigh mentioned that she moved at a later date into Norman Avenue, and
that wouldn't have been very far from you!
- Re: red flags
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Sep-2012
dee came half dozen times on
site...they moved few times...also..woodlands ct north rd...mike replied
to her.both knowing all the shops......then moved to lady marg
rd..1948......lovely photo of her at facebook in her perhaps bungalow
isle wight...she says dad was interviewed by itv.1958 kelvin gdns crash
..mum got photos....her dad looks good in photo mayor dickie bow tie
with mr marks...
- Re: red flags
by Janice Johnson (Member 10240407) on 4-Sep-2012
Pauline - Yes, Doreen did live in
Norman Avenue. I can remember the Sally Army band marching past on
their way either to or from church on Sunday mornings, very proudly led
by Mr Haigh, later made Mayor. Can't remember any of the other names you
mentioned but perhaps my brothers might - will have to ask them next
time we're in touch.
- Re: red flags
by Janice Johnson (Member 10240407) on 4-Sep-2012
Pauline - Of course I knew the
Dudmans. Paul married a pretty girl named Marian and they moved Yeading
Lane way. This was back in the very early 1960s. I think Mr Dudman was
involved in the French Resistance in WW2 and he often went to France
with Mrs for holidays and look up old friends but didn't speak much of
it - very kindly let my dad used their car when they were away. Only
people we knew who had their own telephone and didn't mind if we used it on the odd occasion. ... more >>
- Re: red flags
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 4-Sep-2012
JANICE - that was lovely to hear
about the Dudmans. I always liked Mrs Dudman as she was so interesting
to talk to. The daughter in the Mark's family was Kathleen, and Kenny
Marks, who had been in the Army, married a girl called Pauline Chalk who
was a good friend of Jennifer's and lived next door to us when we lived
in North Hyde Lane. Jennifer also went to Heston school with her. She
had five children but divorced Kenny Marks later on! A sad tale. ... more >>
- Re: red flags
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 4-Sep-2012
My red flags keep returning, although I cab get rid of them as indicated above
- Re: red flags
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 4-Sep-2012
Michael - I've still got mine!
- Re: red flags
by lynne Allen (Member 10277762) on 5-Sep-2012
Hi Phyl, I am Olive's third
daughter born in 1952. There are seven of us still dotted around sadly
Mum and Dad died in their early sixties. I only found this site thanks
to my Son and I am so glad found it. As a kid I was always told that I
would not go far without finding a family member. I often say that's
what kept us on our toes as my parent's would not tolerate bad
behaviour.I recall the names
Lorreta and Barbara who went to Western Road School a few years older
than me. Are they your Girls ?I think they lived close to school. I
remember your Mum and Dad. It's funny I remember more about when I was
little than than my early teanage years. Learning to dance at Billy's
Mum (Vi)in South Avenue (She had a little studio in her big front
bedroom) Billy used to be in a Skiffle Band. My mum used to take me
there on a Saturday morning and then go off to the Market etc to do her
shopping along the Broadway. We used to put on shows in halls and my dad
who had a little three wheeler at the time used to take me all around
until I no longer wanted to do it. I got fed up with my mum bless her
putting my hair in rags to make ringlets which is possibly the reason my
hair is so straight now.I recall a Mrs Piner who lived in Greenford
Avenue who used to make our outfits who had a daughter called Jackie.
Other names I remember are the Mullins and the Tornt's,Hewitts,
Cluttons, Fews, Morleys,Whites and Worman's all who all lived in Spikes
Bridge and Bradley's,Brittains,Loveridges,Lawrences and a lovely young
girl called Topsey who died not long after she got married in West
Avenue. All the names are flooding back as are places. Spike Bridge Park
where we used to wait for the park keeper to cut grass and go off to
dinner and then we used to spread the grass back across the park. The
parkie was a lovely man who used to get us to gather it back and buy us
all an ice lolley from the pavillion. Also remember going on the putting
Green for 3 pence. Spent most of the Summer holidays there watching
cricketers practicing or going on to the little pool in Durden's Park
close by. ... more >>
- Re: red flags
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 5-Sep-2012
Hi Lynne the paddling pool
was in Cranliegh grd. park, Durdans park was at the back of
Lady Margaret Road & the canal. welcome to our Southall
web site
- Re: red flags
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 5-Sep-2012
Just been on Southallboard 52 i
did'nt know Trevor Bayliss lived in the Lady Marg. Rd flat
as i did but opp Lady Marg. pub/ parade
- Re: red flags
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 5-Sep-2012
glad you got it....roy couch
photos there,,,,yes baylis went to dormers not do well...but tv... and
africa inventor.clock radio..lives eel pie island so many yrs
now......he went to dormers yr 2000 reunion and 2008 north rd school
event....gave a talk..with loads about southall.....
- Re: red flags
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 5-Sep-2012
then to get each
board.........click top right sign out......the click sign
in........click sign different user.....type
southallboard51@yahoo.co.uk...........password middlesex51.......click
sign in....and get each one that way..................nice surprises
collection...amazing..nostalgia pictures exsist..when dig search..3yrs
now.....
- Re: red flags
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 5-Sep-2012
Got Southallboard51 up pic of Lady Marg. Rd. finishing at what is now Shackelton Rd circa 1910
- Re: red flags
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 5-Sep-2012
great...as you know..they all
click enlarge full screen.......or bottom right of computer screen..%
magnify..arrow to 125..150..or 200...enlarges...glad you like lady marg
etc ..at 51........board49..48...47...is there..etc etc.
- Re: red flags
by Phyl Hutnell (Member 10234816) on 5-Sep-2012
Hi Lynne. You Grandma Hilda must
have been my mum's sister-in-law I think (gets complicated dooesn't
it!). I'm quite a bit older than you. Have you also got a sister Daphne?
- Re: red flags
by Phyl Hutnell (Member 10234816) on 5-Sep-2012
P.A. Lynne. I haven't got any daughters, but two sons born in 1968 and 1970. Both married and we have five grandchildren.
- Re: red flags
by lynne Allen (Member 10277762) on 6-Sep-2012
Hi Phyl, yes eldest sister Daphne
sadly no contact but life goes on. My Parents were the glue that held
us all together. We are all spread out now creating our on Family
networks. I went to Western Road for a short time and two girls there
called Loretta and (?) and mum said they were my second cousins. They
used to visit your mum. I recall another lady who I often saw with your
mum who used to have a
very large pram with a bonny baby inside.Family next door to your mum
(other corner) called the Trinders they went off to Australia on the ten
pound ticket. Life was hard then for our parents but us kids never
knew it as we never went without as some did. Remember playing hopscotch
drawing the squares with big lumps of chalk. Nobody complained about
kids playing in street till it became too dark and we were then called
in. They cannot do that anymore without someone complaining. Mum's bread
pudding that would definately be a no no now. She used to make it in
Big meat dishes and used to share it with neighbours. Sorry if I am
rambling but reading on this site brings memories to the fore. ... more >>
- Re: red flags
by lynne Allen (Member 10277762) on 6-Sep-2012
Thanks Den for correction. I
recall going through a gate at back end of Spike bridge park to get
there and never stopped long because it was always packed. We sometimes
went to the chippie in Lady Margaret Road before going back
home.Sometimes went to the Library in the area on other side of road.
When I went to Dormers Wells our headmistress Mrs Morris (Dolly
Morris)used to give me two afternoons a week off to go and help at the Eventide Home. The residents there were such a cheery bunch and had a wicked sense of humour. ... more >>
- Re: red flags
by lynne Allen (Member 10277762) on 6-Sep-2012
Yvonne you mentioned Grubins. I
recall it always had a strong smell of dried tea and the bell always
rang as you entered. I visited the area on Friday and saw the state of
the Northcote Arms- whatevers happening to it. Many memories of Grandad
Fred who liked a drink or two. He used to pop through the alley in west
avenue and be at the bar in minutes. Sometimes when we went to get him
by entering the jug and
bottle the barman used to call out to him to let him know we were
waiting. His response was to give us a big glass of fizzy and a biscuit
so thick it took ages to eat. Needless to say that gave him time to have
another pint and read his evening news or standard. ... more >>
- Re: red flags
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 7-Sep-2012
Lynne would the chip shop be
Huttons on the end of Lady Marg. parade. If you go on my
Flickr photostream d.sexton428 there are pic of the paddling
pool & park today the pool has been filled in &
the tuck shop is gone
- Re: red flags
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 7-Sep-2012
Hi Lynne - I'd forgotten all
about the bell ringing in Grubhams shop in Northcote Avenue. I have some
very fond memories of the years we used that old shop. My mum used to
get everything on tick until pay day. Mind you, it was quite a bit
before your time Lynne - I was born in 1931! I used to take a bottle up
there to get it filled with vinegar and drank quite a lot on the way
home as I loved it. My
mum took one look at it and made me take it back as it wasn't filled.
George did refill it, but gave me a very wry look as he knew! Mum always
bought the ham bone from the shop and made soup with it. My brother
David worked for Grubhams for a few years, first as a delivery boy with a
bike and a basket on the front. One day he dropped the bacon in the
road and took it indoors to wash it and pick the stones out. Nothing was
ever said, and the customer got her bacon! They were hard times but
very happy. I used to get my mum a Guinness at the off-licence
sometimes, as she had TB and was advised to drink it. I used to run like
the dickens when it was dark (my dad was on nightwork at the AEC)
especially past that alleyway where the men used to pee sometimes on the
way home from the pub! ... more >>
- Re: red flags
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Sep-2012
lynne...everybody.....you are 2
yrs after me and 2 yrs before my cousins local at west ave......dolly
morris...retired back to her birth haversford west far west wales..with
mrs grey her secretary out that way......tweedy...elderll...told me
airhostess was glorified waitress.........she had it prayers old hut
back field lunches...mrs coutts LP record assembly by her
grandpiano...coutts miss littler
scrpipture union tea breakjs in miss lewis cookery by smelly milk
cupboard room..all getting demolished..new building gone up..1400
students..etc etc loads to chat loads..grubhams nan ran out of lentils
pearl barley for stew..got sent errand to his chair he had,,by row of
glass top biscuit tins..along counter of cut up ham cheese....etc etc
lots memories...uncle george ackers..went through alley regular.uncle
fred willans..50s..1928 gdad did etc..dominoes in public bar next to jug
bottle penny back nans stout bottle.arrowroot biscuit..saloon bar my
cousin used to pester at door salvation army weekend war cry mag I
got.jelly eels stall...say old peoples home for scaffold fired squatters
pub..or hotel etc..huge land ..there landlord had big dog.smell fullers
at cellar hatch....etc etc..loads memories,eventide my aunt wked loved
it they loved her..lived prefabs..etc etcetc..ha ... more >>
- Re: red flags
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Sep-2012
meant to say coutts littler were
at yr 2000 reunion there...mrs foot library english was good to me and
my friends marilyn crank...6 yrs worked for her library she did my
reference to bbc tv white city..reference library worked loved...hubby
and me visited her all her life..3 children grandchildren ..she was
lovely person all her life..they phoned me for her funeral..morris
died..1980s elderly...and
grey....upstairs ellis..gabriel geog.parker typing.....downstairs
stupid mad cruel evans so called re but not religion at all....fiscell
great sci and human biology for our g.c.e.s...got her new sci block saw
it being built and the big well...new at last 6th form toilet...old
airraid shelter 60s still there cobwebs...sport track..big
field..huts....sewing....west ealing rowses get material..dress
patterns...silence in corridors prefect ..was house cavell
mauve...friends reunite good loads there all yrs and photos.....deputy
head wrote to me said...visit back tour anytime...old playground out
front brown front door teachers..staffroom above...but kids entrance
cloakroom to right...library was new built with art room above.....etc
etc ha..etc ... more >>
- Re: red flags
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Sep-2012
lynne.....our site mar
2011.maggie shaw lives france..went to dormers 1961 to
3...robinson...her gdad goodall.....darts northcote pub built 1907...my
aunt won cups ladies team..photos northcote etc etc on our boards
here......dane rd entrance small between houses..you went through to
corner spikes.canal bridge there...high hedges.pah curve round to main
entrance huge gates...used to run through there
,.,scary.empty area...dame kelly holmes practised track there.....we
did relay .hurdles etc...walk spikes from dormers for tennis..heston
pool but dormers got own swimpool now huge sports leisure
building.....they had canteen built....huts downed.....photos our boards
here......yes small fire you said..west ave just in living room..but
strong brick built..several of ours..builders..30s 40s etc...rt warren
firm.......straight up stairs from door..cold bedrooms..were gas
light..used candle..only payed electric to be put in downstairs.airraid
shelter sheds out back...kitchenette larder...bathroom seemed squeezed
in at side..did washing in big bath..outside mangle and long high wash
line..rows veg...50s 60s..side porch toilet and coal
cupboard...........icy cold fog to dormers.walk carlyle or old trolley
bus in fog..uxbridge rd..smog...dormers huge thick scarf handy...navy
uniform in 6th form..cooper glam english teacher did shakespeare..morris
welsh origin..read old english perfect amaze well
chaucer..fascinating...she read old language yr1300s so
well..clever....new sci labs upstairs..human biology g.c.e was well
done..one went to be a nurse.....a level........those years not able do
typing as well....gce ..or..secretarial type...but not both....remember
loads....1964 we went low and ellis..austria salzburg...square they were
filming sound music....on return we girls went leicester sq to see
it..£16 did 16 saturdays woolies to pay for it... ... more >>
- Re: red flags
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 8-Sep-2012
The flags have gone. Hooray!
- Re: red flags
by lynne Allen (Member 10277762) on 8-Sep-2012
Our house in Dane road had two
rooms and a kitchen with a big stone larder. Although both rooms had
fire places the front room one was seldom used "sunday Best" Winter
evenings we often sat around the fire toasting crumpets or great chunky
slices of bread my brother had brought home from Prices yard. Lovely
meat dripping from Sunday Roast which no doubt clogged a few arteries
but we loved it. I laugh
now but my dad made us all some toasting forks out of thick wire coat
hangers. Toast never tastes the same now. We also used to have winkles
using big safety pins or cockles and whelks. WE all go down to Hastings
each year and first thing we have to eat is whelks and cockles although I
never touch the latter as my older brother John always said they were
baby chicks to get my share off me. Cannot for the life of me eat
jellied eels as my Grandad always brough a big quivering pot of them
back from the Northcote Arms on a Sunday and plonked them on the dinner
table much to dads disgust. Mum used to swiftly carry them away till
later. We only had him living with us for a couple of years in Dane Road
after Nan died it may have been less but we always felt his presence.
He was a bit of a character to say the least. ... more >>
- Re: red flags
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Sep-2012
yes the good front
room..parlour..for best....west ave 1928 built..one living room
only..with..kitchenette behind...and a bathroom..at some stage put on at
side....so only one room one fire...fork I used for cut off nobby of
bread..tasted great bit of black coal effect perhaps....ha..hot red
flames made my face hot..mat for any spits of hot bits from
flames....coke when went smokeless zone....dripping
yes they used for decades..jelly meat dish..roast..winkles sunday tea
from lunchtime northcote pub...hastings we have been many yrs..fresh
fish gt...dormers teacher retired there we visited her several times.mrs
foot librarian english...photos dormers etc....on board52 ..and new
board53......flickr southallboard53@yahoo.co.uk....password middlesex53 ... more >>
- Re: red flags
by lynne Allen (Member 10277762) on 8-Sep-2012
Dolly Morris was strict but fair
to me she knew I hated a certain lesson so channeled my energy at the
Eventide Home. I remember there being two a Mrs Evans who taught Arts
and crafts two Jones's both who taught Pe one was Eva Jones who was
friendly the other Bailey Jones who was a bit of a tirant who if you
upset her made you run round the track until she said stop. The PE kits
were'nt very fashionable
so we often said we had forgotten them. A Mrs Cooke who taught cookery a
big matronly women but I did cookery in one of the side annexes with a
younger teacher. We had all electric at home and one day we were being
shown how to make an irish stew when the teacher did not explain you had
to light the gas first. I stupidly turned gas on prepared my
ingredients and went to pop dish in oven. Teacher mentioned those using
Gas should light up so I opened oven and struck match needles to say
there was a bang and I lost a bit of ny eyebrow and front hair singed
and a very very red face not through the flame. Needless to say we all
had to troup out and wait for all clear. When I took what they called
stew home my mum said it was soup Dad had it to please me but never made
it ever again. My Mum was a better cook than any of them. ... more >>
- Re: red flags
by lynne Allen (Member 10277762) on 8-Sep-2012
Den, Yes that was it's name just
along from Lady Margaret Pub if my memory serves me correctly. Our usual
chippie was Greenford Fish bar although it was in Southall high street.
Friday or pay night and one or two of us would be sent up to get our
tea. We always got a small bag to eat on the way home and always asked
for crackling the battery bits that came from the fish. We used to soak
it with vinegar and a
shake of salt. Then on to the sweet shop to get dad some hot peanuts,
mum some crystalised ginger and a little bag of sweets for each of us
kids Heaven. We were certainly spoilt for choice in sweet shops
-Briden'(they moved to Hastings) sold bags of broken sweets at half
price at the top of Dane Road or Cordy's where for some reason the man
used to weigh the large sweet shrimps which were 4 a penny and break a
bit off if they were too heavy, Gordon's which was next to electical
shop/ Mrs T's or the shop next to traffic lights at Town Hall. Only
place you can get such a selection of sweets now is Hastings or Rye rows
and rows of jars although our sweets were always Barrats and the ones
now are all sugar and little taste. Also remember Southall Market on a
Saturday sweet stall where the chap had about 4 lads working for him as
he loaded bags to sell. Last time I went there the ambience had gone.
Heard that they now have a Market on a Wednesday. ... more >>
- Re: red flags
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Sep-2012
yes we had jones PE and mrs
short..made those tennis skirts in sewing and cookery apron..bailey
jones she may be of 2nd war wrens..chatted of her gay life..xmas cake we
made .teacher gave me lift home..to grapes hayes she went onto
hillingdon..melting moments baked apple..sunbathing local riverside pub
garden yesterday..2 behind us chatted of old ealing broadway..said the
abc cinema..opposite town
hall still derelict....but new dickens yard huge modern..off west from
was bentalls stonebridge rd..behind spire christchurch behind registry
office old town hall..housing restaurants etc...sanders swept around
corner bombed war now m and s..photos all on photoboards photostream
flickr...odeon picture place on opening 1936 dominion.and
palace..yeading industry pub of hundreds yrs closed..3 horseshoes on off
open..photo northcote there..all pubs collection southall and greenford
etc there,, ... more >>
- Re: red flags
by Bryan Martyn (Member 10242855) on 19-Nov-2012
Mr Haigh lived in Norman Avenue, opposite where I lived in Northcote Avenue.
He knocked on our door one day to ask why we had so many cars outside our house. There was only two in 1965. Cheek!
- Re: red flags
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 19-Nov-2012
yes johnson haigh did live
there....other part of southall before...neighbour said used to see him
with his motorbike.....great side entry to spikes park..they say 2013
money huge.....revamp there......dozen of us lived those
roads....concrete front gardens now..cars up......yellow lines local
towns.....permit sticker from house holder...easier to go on
bus...hardly possible park most roads places....photo of haigh 1958 with all other mayors southall reunion our board and his daughter.dee ..lives isle wight now..... ... more >>
|
|
Old factory in Southall
|
by Karen Connolly (Member 10214339) on 22-Aug-2012
|
Hi
My Grandad used to work at Poulton and Knowles (spelling might be wrong)
in the 1940's or 1950's. I think it was a dairy produce or spread
factory (took over from Otto Monstead or Maypole).
However, I have googled and yahoo'd it but can't come up with anything.
Can anyone help?
Thanks ... more >>
- Re: Old factory in Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Aug-2012
if you go back little bit here
just couple pages...think it was fish meat pastes..think one of our
members mums workd there..might have been len goddard writing about
it..think they wore clogs...wet floors....over the other side
old.southall factory...it was the page talking about fish on back of
fisherman mural huge in southall green other factory mike braden spoke
of.....mine worked kearley ticklers tube the gas etc etc ... more >>
- Re: Old factory in Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Aug-2012
len calls it noels...nov
09..page..he says ...was before walls factory southall .walls took
over.pn factory.....meat tinned for war reserved occupation.bbc memories
item in google...liz lister dad worked there ..they were bombed out 3
times...lived park ave ..went school north rd....PN factory..got
hit..war bombs..he was butcher there.....2010/11 len talks here of
factory again smell fish etc and wet
floors women wearing wood clogs.....by the railway for easy
transport..walls took over site..canal and rail so good for factories
new town southall..got built up..huge....from tiny village hamlet ... more >>
- Re: Old factory in Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Aug-2012
brent rd southall it says....PN..
taken over by bachelor soups peas..of unilever..merger with walls as
well....6 photos in google...adverts picnic..jars pots..jelly
mould...preserved meats fish used wars by service
men..tongue.veal..beef..started 1880 belgravia.steam works..buckingham
palace rd..thames rail local for use.....hard rough work .len spoke of
his mum..wet and .conditions there..southall.....nice
pots .of potted .meats fish..pot lids sell for huge
value..artists..painted scenes scotland lakes countryside..or family
groups kids ..or commemorative famous figures fine skill painted
collected.by famous potteries.animals painted lids..aintique roadshow ... more >>
- Re: Old factory in Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Aug-2012
london gazette 1938 land registry
in google ..bridge rd margarine rd and havelock rd land..to poulton
noel factory......kew archive has indexed archive 1940s ..p noel papers
etc..kew and ealing local history library mr oates librarian.ealing
broadway...nice photos china pots...adverts etc our booard..soup..veal
beef sausage brawn.chicken.ox tongue..p noel preserves picnics sunday
tea..wars used by troops
tinned..1880 belgravia steam p noel started...buckingham palace rd..bet
royal grocer fortnam mason.piccadily.supplied for picnic balmoral
sandringham and gentry country houses..southall bridge rd factory ... more >>
- Re: Old factory in Southall
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 23-Aug-2012
Karen: Your entry on Poulton and
Noel brought back memories. During WW2 we had initially two young men
refugees billeted on us. They worked at PN from 1940 to ~1943. (Renee
Duboco and Marcel ???)Renee remained in England after the war, and
married an English girl
- Re: Old factory in Southall
by Karen Connolly (Member 10214339) on 23-Aug-2012
Thanks for this. No wonder I
couldn't find anything if I was spelling it incorrectly. Thinking back,
I have seen some of the google entries before. At least I know it
existed. Sadly my mum is 91 and has dementia so her memory isn't good.
The references to Batchelors puts it into perspective as Mum used to say
that Grandad worked at Batchelors too before Kearley and Tonge.
- Re: Old factory in Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Aug-2012
best wishes to your mum and
you...my aunt was at kearley 1950s supervisor..after she retired the
girls came to see her..she used to help make their money up piece
work..willans ackers.......their metal tins mixed biscuits we had
fridays.at home west ave....bike to factories....you and your friends
think some lived greenford ave..our photo board mr thompson rowbottom
number 77 and along there 1945 ve
day tressel tables there huge crowd.....photos of the couple entrances
to walls.and their building there.....bachelors got taken over by huge
unilever..so went to walls......mergers.....1977 the canal coal run to
kearley ended.....origins 1890 like poulton..old companies came to
end.....but canal still do their annual run...from midlands down to
remember their workmates coal into kearley dock brent rd .the ol jam
ole....etc etc old southall ... more >>
- Re: Old factory in Southall
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 28-Aug-2012
Great news no new runway for Heathrow does this mean Sipson & the area around are now safe
- Re: Old factory in Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Aug-2012
on news again last 2
days.....will keep seeing....incase decision...for sure...tonys dad on
1911 census magpies cottage along there..mundy /butler....she and family
from east bedfont..quarry work they all did heathrow gravel...and mkt
gadening fruit etc..they all did 1800s.....free census month
now..ancestry and oz free ships immigration..did mty norwood green 1870
to new york....and son holiday trip
back 1924 northhyde uxbridge visit and to havelock graves with
flowers...did my finnie side 1850s australia ship...he inhereted bit
money..adventure grass greener and news of oz gold rush melbourne
1850s.....photos ships times dates original book..pages images.names
signed handwirting all free last week for week...aust ancestry I
had.....free..online.....kept all the rcords....to add to my
geneology... ... more >>
- Re: Old factory in Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Aug-2012
good actress s lancashire..was
rachel corrie...wednesday night ..britain then now 1953 coronation those
chat at 60 yrs street party....photos our board stelrads,,club st
anselm..witch hat wigwam playground..walls saus southall..inside
..women..billy smart southall pk..and carnival.southall ,,,etc..many
there....
- Re: Old factory in Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Aug-2012
typing a subject in google
often..brings up a photostream.flickr..........type oswald rd off
broadway........shows ours....poulton southall factory skipper
sardines...kearley....crown cork...quaker ....there.....
- Re: Old factory in Southall
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 29-Aug-2012
Denis
I'm afraid that I do not think Sipson is safe. Cameron is destined to
be a "one term P.M.", and I know from my own contacts that this is all
wrapped up with HS2 and Boris Island Airport. Cameron may even be gone
before the next election. For poor Sipson, I think it is a question
of "When" rather than "if". What is left of our beloved Middlesex is
destined for the concrete mixer.
- Re: Old factory in Southall
by Phyl Hutnell (Member 10234816) on 29-Aug-2012
My mother-in-law, Hilda Hutnell,
used to be the tea lady at the Kearley and Tongue biscuit factory in
Brent Road, which is now a Bestway Cash n Carry. She worked there for
many years, at least right through the 50's, 60's and perhaps earlier.
She used to be able to buy tins of broken biscuits at the staff shop. I
seem to remember they had a syndicate of some sort which won a bit of
money once, probably in the 60's. Wouldn't seem much by today's standards, but was very exciting at the time. ... more >>
- Re: Old factory in Southall
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 29-Aug-2012
Thanks Keith thats sad to hear, whent on a school trip Lady.Marg. Rd. to a farm at Sipson 1954
- Re: Old factory in Southall
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 29-Aug-2012
Money ruins everything, old Middx will be no more
- Re: Old factory in Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Aug-2012
yes....remember my aunt talked of
syndicate 50s....seemed nice huge tin biscuits ..layers mixed was good
at west ave fri nights....photos kearley etc on board52......skippers
...poulton..you tube in google has torch iron bridge....and 3 horseshoes
..town hall and south end lady marg hot sunny day...best wish para
opening tonight queen.....sherwood book author..meetings talks over
30yrs...was front row
our heston airport talk photos..denis.....lots of him in
google...maps..diagram..bath rd sipson..with m4
motorway..there...magpies pub.....so they want the land
runway..there.....harmondswoth to side grade1 listed cathedral of middx
yr 1300s barn..largest in europe.mkt gardening..open to public .restored
by english heritage last yr cost millions..by st marys church
harmondsworth.all.helps campaign and cemetery,,nearby....my family tree
full of harmondsworth st mary and local areas..mkt
gardening.workers..living...etc..lovely not having to live in ..massive
heavy,traffic..horrid living areas of around heathrow.many yrs gets
worse........plenty of rural green areas of living quality is
essential..peace.....human living home good conditions..essential... ... more >>
- Re: Old factory in Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Aug-2012
in google...celia....gdad george
clifton brown gave talks local hist soc...her dad..high st
drapers.southall 1900s...1947..1958 she says south rd drapers...somerset
1800s family...will type clifton brown drapers when time....hat from
there 1900s our mr meads said for his mum who visited clif browns at
their home norwood green to death......photos shop and high st our
boards.....
- Re: Old factory in Southall
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 29-Aug-2012
Thanks Yvonne for mentioning that
you were going to look uo "Clifton Brown Drapers" when you got time.
Well I did, and lo and behold what comes up under Page 5 at the top is
"Growing Up With Southall From 1904" Memories of Mr R.J.Meads. It's like
opening Pandora's Box. Haven't had time to read all of it, but it's
wonderful. Even mentions a German and his wife having a bakers at the
top of Northcote Avenue!
- Re: Old factory in Southall
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Aug-2012
yes meads loads pages there
..have been dibbing into it last year ..gt....really good..lots meaty
pages lovely read...celia wrote and gave talk at west middx local family
history society...her gdad 1900s started clif brown from somerset they
came..her dad...also...she lives harwich now...1958 says high st move to
south rd...£4.50 hat ..meads bought his mum...her sister married..one
of family....lived
norwood green meads kept in touch till they died....celia..talk would
love to have heard it..written pages...if she repeats at talks ealing
library her email is there......best wishes ... more >>
- Re: Old factory in Southall
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 29-Aug-2012
Just shown Olympic torch leaving Havalock Road Mosque last night 6 O/ck news
- Re: Old factory in Southall
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 29-Aug-2012
Sorry my mistake not Havalock Road mosque
|
|
gazette and also general
|
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Aug-2012
|
today.....picture of new powerhouse by purplexed company...£250
million.emi hayes site..14 sections buildings..revamp.homes etc...2 just
paddled canoeboat length grandunion canal 137 miles...badgers
herons.ducks.for charity..uxbridge ops hq.airbase..war bunker churchill
and king visited.open to public 7sept..and they hope to every
weekend...1970 found table map in cupboard.room shows table plotti ng..spits
hurricanes..60 feet below....etc bound to be in google...our local
contact who put his photo HIM young kids.on tail of..heinkel .HAYES.HE
LIVED NEAR SOUTHALL BORDER....spit fund .his mum gave PHOTO money
war..he asks to put on site...ANYBODY KNOW OF ..MUNITIONS 1ST WAR .HAYES
CRANFORD...10000WOMEN WORKED..SHEDS..BAD EXPLOSION..OFFICIAL SAYS 4
KILLED...OUR SOUTHALL MR MEADS 2 SOURCES SAYS 28 KILLED..SEEMS COVER
UP...HE HAS WRITTEN BOOKLET IN GOOGLE DURING HIS RETIREMENT WITH
PHOTOS....MR COLLIER ... more >>
- Re: gazette and also general
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 15-Aug-2012
Addy, Google Battle of Britain bunker
- Re: gazette and also general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Aug-2012
today gazette.RAF VET WENT BACK
THIS WEEK DROVE AROUND SAW SOME HUTS HE LIVED IN..uxbridge
aerodrome.....PHOTOS LOCAL CANAL...HERON SCULPTURE..AND MANY BRIDGES
last 10 yrs have mural nice paintings under
...new photos board52....
- Re: gazette and also general
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 15-Aug-2012
Yvonne it seems ICI Kynoch had a factory at Hayes 1914/18 as well as the Yeading factory in 1939/45
- Re: gazette and also general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Aug-2012
ah thats interesting...1st war
hmv.factory hayes also....my gt annie west lived..by and worked
there..with her landlard slater...1st war munitions....mr collier
written nice booklet in the hayes hillingdon.com site in google...lots
photos...book by miss lethridge..1917 had her limbs blown off hayes.she
was 17..took many yrs get little bit compensation....
- Re: gazette and also general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Aug-2012
worth..few yrs trying southall
sites etc in google..just found my infant junior class mate..her brother
1942 southall now south australia been back couple times but says
changes...she is norfolk..all over country everybody goes ha,,,,1940s
50s they never forget all their loads of southall and local areas
memories..amazing...lots chat.....like mine they go back to 1800s
local.....
- Re: gazette and also general
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 16-Aug-2012
Not only is the Red Lion closing they not printing the Danndy any more
- Re: gazette and also general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 16-Aug-2012
yes yesterday..desperate dan gone
did they say 1939 ish.start...said might digitalise or
something....farewell party at redlion..must have been
interesting......photo board52 junction pub open canal..1950 all men
outside lord wolsey pub coach outing..hambrough pub before fire 1981 and
new one after...woolfe rubber factory front 1951.photo....and mike told
us of water tank..front manor hse gdn..war..for use fire bombs..photo... ... more >>
- Re: gazette and also general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 17-Aug-2012
this week gold painted letter
boxes post box..for gold olympic medals......mo...the runner..of
hounslow feltham .................isleworth college.gold letter box
there
- Re: gazette and also general
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 18-Aug-2012
Denis-sorry to learn thar the Dandy is no more.
I remember getting the firsr issue when it firsr came out-pity I didn't keep a copy!
I bought that fist issue at Amsdens newsagents in North Road
- Re: gazette and also general
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 18-Aug-2012
It said the first sale of the Dandy went on sale in 1937 costing 2d with a freee whistle!
- Re: gazette and also general
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 18-Aug-2012
Michael if you had that first edition it would be worth mega bucks now
- Re: gazette and also general
by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 18-Aug-2012
Whilst at primary school I used
to go to my Grandmother's house each day for lunch (cutting through the
cemetery, which strictly speaking we were not supposed to do) and every
Monday I had The Dandy and every Thursday The Beano sitting at my place
at the end of the table. Every Christmas I got The Dandy Annual. Very
very sorry to see it go.
- Re: gazette and also general
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 19-Aug-2012
In my brother's autobiography he
said that my dad used to bring the Dandy and the Beano in on his way
home from his nightwork shift at the AEC. He used to get in while we
were all getting ready for school. I remember it, and there was the
usual argument as to whose turn it was to read it. My brother said he
got round this problem by walking up the road to meet my dad so that he
could get his "paws" on them first! I've learnt a lot I didn't know since reading this autobiography!! ... more >>
- Re: gazette and also general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 19-Aug-2012
korky cat...but beano was one dad
brought to me fridays from shift work....short cut havelock cemetery we
took .was sundays off bus from north southall.nice walk manor
grounds.into fence gate north side graves..flowers tap there nans
grave.....been locked 20yrs now..last 5 yrs church ave locked..only
havelock pub rd gate open..photos all southall green areas all
board52...south bridge by..denis worked
by gem cinema..1850s 1890.substation rail..must be listed..still
there..projectionist used to store equipment in there.kids played on
steps.new st anselm church got built next to it... ... more >>
- Re: gazette and also general
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 19-Aug-2012
Following Dandy, I later got the
first issues of Beano,and Knock Out when they appeared.The mind
boggles at how nuch I would be worth if I still had all three!
Before that my regular comics were Film Fun, and Micky Mouse. Also
sround were Chips, and Comic Cuts-they were around when my dad was a
boy(1890's).
- Re: gazette and also general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 19-Aug-2012
key hole kate..bbc says 1st
edition sold 2004 £20350.for man in essex he had 1st edition beano sold
£12100..they say if you have the toys with box..sell for twice
value....I liked beano because small to hold..cousin across road...had
floor covered in comics weekly..lots huge big tall ones.his dad out a
builder...his mum factory..keyhole child..keep him quiet 1 st ..hour
indoors ...till he ran always running around back alleys etc.,,,.his son ..became youth champion running joined marines....bunty etc girls mags later... ... more >>
- Re: gazette and also general
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 19-Aug-2012
I think the best comic for boys was the Eagle, i still have 2 Micky Mouse annuals from the 40s
- Re: gazette and also general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 19-Aug-2012
2nd edition dandywith plastic
jumping frog free gift. sold for £4000...1999 was 3007th weekly
edition..longest running...paralympics this thurs fri starts northola
fields 5 pm each day event..greenwood towers..sounds
.fires..torch.tour...for borough ealing venue....photos general board52
memories.and mikes water tank war firebombs..manor hse grounds photo.
- Re: gazette and also general
by Ronald Cox (Member 10259196) on 20-Aug-2012
Having all these names of comic`s
I have to add the two that I enjoyed. They were The Champion & the
Adventure. Rockfist Rogen was a fighter pilot in the Champion others I
can not remember at this time.
- Re: gazette and also general
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 21-Aug-2012
Ron - In the Champion there was
Jet Jackson, a racing car driver, Ginger Nutt, the boy who takes the
biscuit, Colwyn Dane, a detective and Dixie Jim who was a sort of
cowboy.
- Re: gazette and also general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Aug-2012
BBC REPORTS........peoles war accounts
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ww2peopleswar/stories/04/a3695204.shtml
they were of regina rd southall.......got house rebuilt ater war.....spoke of heston airport also.....in google
- Re: gazette and also general
by thompson (Member 10241148) on 22-Aug-2012
Interesting to see that Southall was used for the location for this weeks Silent Witness.
As I have not been back to the town for over ten years, it was
interesting to see that the cafe is still situated on the railway bridge
and that the tunnel under the rail tracks in the Straight was used in
the filming.
I used the tunnel to cycle from Greenford Ave to Clarence St, when visiting my father's family.
- Re: gazette and also general
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 22-Aug-2012
Hi Thompson. Thanks for
mentioning "Silent Witness" being filmed in Southall. I have just been
watching some of it on BBC i-player. It was great to see Southall
Gasometer and "the Castle", plus the Mosque that can be seen at the
bottome of Havelock road. The only thing is that "the Castle" has gone
now I believe, and made into flats. This makes me wonder exactly how
long ago this film was made.
- Re: gazette and also general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Aug-2012
it still looks like the
building..steam train...watertower the castle...photos on our
boards...the flats are inside......some windows down..they had to
preserve the same look the brickwork.........think it was
converted..adapted..some yrs ago now........still.same facade...brick
high as watertower with castle turret top...so photos...as flats now
still looks much the same..........as always did...lots photos our boards as flats inside...... ... more >>
- Re: gazette and also general
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 22-Aug-2012
Thanks Yvonne. That's good to know that it's all still there.
- Re: gazette and also general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Aug-2012
says 80 ft tall grade 2
listed..1984 completed adapt to 37 appartments.for 54 people...narrow
windows all around .but 1991 heating and floor neeeded repair
£700000..grant....says 1895.1903 built ..q victoria.goes past on train
demands more attractive castle turrets added to please the eye.of old
water tower....red brick...ended 1968...70 acres gas site land
restore..expensive toxic..but many hundreds
thousands put aside for new complex there eventually.....cross
rail...new and attract..new for southall...and hayes they say...cross
rail stations..for modern cross rail..the photos our boards of tower
with flats inside shows old path up around tower with high gate fence
..seems their private road in for appartment residents...google often
has home prices sales there,,,,,,,,, ... more >>
|
|
general
|
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Aug-2012
|
says..redlion...greenford high st....sold to be flats...friday 10th aug
ends.........wont have trouble people for dwelling....because this yr
cardinal wiseman catholic senior school..now all along pavement opposite
high buildings...seems twice size.at greenford rd....so they move to
area for kids to go to ..larger school.....say dormers 1400
students.....girls school we had nearly 40 in class.a st ream
to d stream...4yrs mainly until 1965 new 6th form started......only 2
corridors classrooms up/down..and a few huts......so ..less than 400 or
so girls in those days...1934ish opened my dad aunt went there from west
ave ... more >>
- Re: general
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 7-Aug-2012
The loss of the Red Lion, Greenford, would be a terrible loss of a local land mark. I hope the facade is preserved.
The famous Red Lion, Tolworth was converted into flats a couple of years
ago - a fabulous old building, gutted by (so called) "developers"
- Re: general
by Janice Johnson (Member 10240407) on 8-Aug-2012
Sometime during the early 1950s,
one of my uncles (Sam Johnson) was the Landlord of the Red Lion in
Greenford. If my memory serves me right, the flat above had a large
sitting room leading on to a balcony overlooking a garden with an
ornamental pond in the centre. I remember going down narrow stairs with
one side of wood panelling in which was concealed a sliding panel so
that whoever was on the stairs could see who was at the bar.
... more >>
- Re: general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Aug-2012
sliding panel..great.........in
google..several places of the selling.....says..garden out
back...carpark around for 15 cars...2 flats upstairs..2
bedrooms..managers office..couple bars downstairs 2 toilets..shell food
place used to be to right hut..now kentucky fried chicken.place.was shoe
shop 1st shop along..travel agent.cafe used by bus staff...old maps
1770 greenford 1800s..only little village
shops on other corner and .village inn.at pub corner..so it is very
ancient..rural greenford..last one to.build up.houses of the factories
etc...gazette glassy junction.now.vegetarian restaurant..was raliway
hotel southall bridge...ris sun pub..in last yr selling..be
flats......northcote arms..of 70s pop bands..1990 hostel
squatters..fire...feb 2012 still boarded for over 8yrs now.....viaduct
pub..bee gees rehearsed at....jazz club ealing broadway opposite station
by abc cafe...photos on our flickr photo boards..with interiors of red
lion greenford.....town house feathers pub since yr1800.sale ealing
broadway.uxbridge rd..coaching inn..toll house.....turnpike ... more >>
- Re: general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Aug-2012
yes says ..red lion...and ..black
horse by canal...there by 1726.....rural ale houses were needed...1692
record of greenford ale hse......black horse open at canal....they need
to name new flats as landmark corner of greenford there as ...of
redlion...somehow...greenford community centre building original was of
years 1700s.railway hotel pub..oldfield lane greenford..refurbished
now.......wolf pub
southall extensions.made now...OLD OAK PUB CANAL FOR SALE £625000.NOV
2011..MY GDAD AND HIS DAD AND HIS SON...3 GENERATIONS WOULD BE
AMAZED...LOCAL OF THERE THEY WERE...MY PHOTO ON FLICKR SOUTHALL
BOARD..1925 CHARABANC TRIP TO SOUTHEND 40 LOCAL MEN..AND LANDLORD.EASTER
TRIP...... ... more >>
- Re: general
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 9-Aug-2012
Just posted pic of bill from Iron bridge to change engine in Dads A30 van 1959
- Re: general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Aug-2012
thats good £49 engine
van..ironbridge .your lady marg.address.1959...the year we had sticks
rock from seaside..this year £1.worthing.while going to arundel.castle
huge.prince charles opened gardens..great crown dances top
fountain..wetlands boat trip guide reeds.watervole...rock £1 each
ordinary size.......pink..name running through..............just gone
through crooked billet a4 slough...arm canal
seems ok..huge modern buildings..firms..retail park stores....but going
up through villages
beautiful..boulters..cookham..cliveden..burnham.jolly woodman pub..of
ken more genevieve film..chiltern hills beautiful..thames..locks.weir
.ducks swans and lots fish...black slim 4 inch long.. ... more >>
- Re: general
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 9-Aug-2012
Yvonne, I live only 100 yards from the wall of Arundel Castle, up by the cathedral
- Re: general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 9-Aug-2012
lovely...huge cathedral....we
went in castle..20yrs ago,,,,,,this time new dukes gardens opened by
charles...gt photos took...dancing crown top ftn........gt wetlands 3hrs
so good......dukes chapel....mary queen scots duke being
catholic......lovely town...buildings etc.....river..bridge..worthing
nice also art gallery museum pier ..yr 1900 cinema......etc...we enjoyed
week........
- Re: general
by roycouch (Member 10232168) on 11-Aug-2012
Does anybody remember going to
Wembley Speedway in the 1950`s? I can recall Bill Kitchen, Split
Waterman et al. The half-time entertainment was provided by Peg-Leg Pete
who dived from a high tower into a tank of water. He really did have
one leg.
- Re: general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 11-Aug-2012
photo kitchen and all in
google....big site there lots photos 1950 1953 to 1957..1940s etc
wembley...programmes..events..pictures..oakley.king.gooch.williams..price..abernathy.sormander..wilks..crosby.barnett..bottoms..gilbert.cross...len
spoke several times of seeing peg leg pete..southall.....photo 77
greenford ave our flickr photo site..mr thompson all lived..ve day and
after..and spikes park sunbathers
yesterday..track still exactly the same..dame kelly holmes..trained
there...millions being spent sport facility there..now..... ... more >>
- Re: general
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 12-Aug-2012
Hi Roy - Yes I remember going to
Wembley Speedway in the 1950's. I, too, remember Split Waterman. In
fact, my first date with my husband was when I went with him to a
Speedway race there. I do remember that we got covered with black dust
from the track at times! We used to wait for a bus just along by the
Palace in South road. I think there was a sweet shop there. Happy days!
- Re: general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 12-Aug-2012
sport......mo farah gold
runner....his father born hounslow..mo went to feltham college
..isleworth school...age 29.....age 8 left somalia for london...his dad
went on holiday to somalia met his mother.......27 july 2013 olympic
park opens for all to see...some adaptation...gt closing ceremony
tonight....photos spikes pk..money develop on our flickr....red
lion..dormers juniors...interesting story ..split on google..war naples speedway...split pants..served palestine..1947 etc wembley... ... more >>
- Re: general
by roycouch (Member 10232168) on 13-Aug-2012
Does anybody recall "Fag-End
Annie". When I was a kid in the 1930s, I can remember seeing her walking
round The Green picking up cigarette ends from the gutter. I can recall
that she seemed to have a large head.
- Re: general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-Aug-2012
ROY.......just noticed your photo
...in google....flickr roy couch's photostream........excellent photo
railway arms...what date about 1920s 30s......horace couch and whole
group other pub regulars..outside......toby ales stout...13 may feb.2012
you did it....lovely...good photo......
- Re: general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-Aug-2012
roy.......your photo looks like
large corner pub...railway hotel..bottom station bridge.97 south rd
junction park ave.....1926 landlady flo wilson..1914 eleanor
simpson....became glassy junction..because of lots windows..planning
permission there..adapt etc...etc..restaurant or what...do you know any
names...horace couch dickie bow tie and cap.......what is the
shield...and the event they are all there ..button holes outside pub....caps..hats........what.year.....thanks.... ... more >>
- Re: general
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 13-Aug-2012
Just as a point of interest, and
because this thread began by talking about the Red Lion, Greenford, I
would say that this morning, I had to go to Gosport, an area that I once
knew very well, for my first visit in 17 years. Because of the
dockyards etc, Gosport once had a pub on almost every corner. Now, it
seems to have a CLOSED, former pub on every corner and probably like the
Red Lion, you can see
that many of them are being converted into flats. I hope the facade of
the Red Lion will be kept. Some of the Portsmouth/Gosport ones were
very historic, but are being destroyed whereas others are just being
converted internally. I suppose it eases the housing problem a bit,
but as every house now seems to have a satellite dish hanging off its
front wall and supermarkets are selling cheap drink, another British way
of life if being completely wiped out. Go back to the early days of
Coronation Street where you had Minnie Caldwell and Martha Longhurst
sitting around a table with Ena, with their bottles of stout > those
days are already gone forever, and judging by today, the local pub, like
the corn chandler and the blacksmith, will have disappeared in 20 more
years ... more >>
- Re: general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-Aug-2012
we go portsmouth gosport often
..yes long yrs loads houses gosport....navy...pubs
history...submarine..and across ferry..the hard..historic pubs..we
enjoyed again there last yr...henry 8th on top saw mary rose go
down...tony had time lapse on google at weekend...saw new housing for
mary rose......hounslow garrison town famous for pub every corner long
high st...fuselliers of cavalry hounslow barracks..hundreds
yrs....rural pubs...thirst agricultural labourers...are often
open..family...meals pub restaurants adapted....but leisure social pub
bars of our dads grandads..pubs..has gone.. ... more >>
- Re: general
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 13-Aug-2012
Keith my uncle buried in
the Royal Navel Hospital cemetery Haslar Gosport died in the
Spanish flu pandemic of 1918 was in the Royal Air force at
Lee on Solent
- Re: general
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 13-Aug-2012
You wouldn't recognise much of Haslar now, Denis, but for the cemetary
- Re: general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-Aug-2012
I like the old green ferry that
goes gosport..we have relative lived hanworth.....she married man went
1950 to gosport lived gosport with him..died 1973 gosport...ROY....JUST
SEEN YOUR ENTRY 2004 NOV..YOUR FLICKR PHOTO IS 1926 RALIWAY HOTEL
PUB.BENCH OLD USUAL BROWN BAR CHAIRS.OUTSIDE 23 MEN..DARTS LEAGUE
WINNING TEAM..LOOKS LIKE PLAYED NORTHOLT TEAM..WOULD SOME MEN BE RAIL
WORKERS OR SOUTHALL GREEN
LOCALS..JUNCTION PARK AVE..NOW GLASSY JUNCTION PUB.....OPPOSITE BIG
POST OFFICE..BOTTOM STATION BRIDGE,,LANDLORD
..POTMAN..WAISTCOATS..CRAVAT SCARFS..MOUSTACHE..CAPS HATS..CLEAR GOOD
PHOTO FACES......PULLOVER.. BOOTS ..SHOES...SMART MEN..BUTTON HOLES
FLOWERS..THANKS...HOPE YOU GET NAMES.....PUT IT ON DYLYS
FACEBOOK...1926..COUPLE THERE MIGHT KNOW... ... more >>
- Re: general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-Aug-2012
PHOTOS RED LION GREENFORD BORAD
52...ROY COUCH DAD AND 23 PEOPLE..OUTSIDE RAILWAY PUB SOUTH RD
SOUTHALL.....WOOLF RUBBER WORKS 1951 RESEMBLE ART DECO FRONT LIKE A
SMALL HOOVER FACTORY...HAYES BRIDGE......SOUTHALL STATION 1954..KIOSK
WAVERLEY.20 CIGS 3/7.AND ADERT WALL CAPSTAN.........SOUTHALL
PK..CARNIVAL.1959..JUNE WHITE QUEEN DAUGHTER LANDLORD 3 TUNS PUB..1958
WAS STEELE.........1934 ON NORTHOLT MANOR FARM OF 1906..NOW £600 ADVERT 2 BED BUNGALOWS.ESTATE......2 RECEPTION ROOM S..BATH..KITCHEN..ESTATE... ... more >>
- Re: general
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 14-Aug-2012
I enjoyed the photo of Southall
Station 1954 on Southallboard52 as I had forgotten what the B.D.V. kiosk
looked like. Does anyone know what the initials B.D.V. stood for?
- Re: general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-Aug-2012
THOUGHT YOU MIGHT LIKE IT..LUCKY
TO GET NEAR YOUR YRS.....KEEP WONDER WHAT KIOSK.INITIALS..TO DO WITH
OWNER..STANDS FOR,,,,,OUR CHRIS...THE FAMILY SHOE REPAIRS NORTH
RD..NAMED AFTER THE DAUGHTER RENEE.......BUT THIS IS TOBACCO SHOP
ETC....WAVERLEY CIGS..CAPSTAN...HUGE ADVERTS ALL AROUND..NEXT
TO..SOUTHALL STATION NORTH SIDE.1954......PHYLIS MIGHT KNOW..HER
DAD..USED OPPOSITE REGULARILY..
- Re: general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-Aug-2012
b.d.v. tobacco...adverts..company in google...
- Re: general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-Aug-2012
lovely photo
board52..boyd.dibrett.virginia...MIKE..LOVEY LATIN IN GOOGLE..FOR UK
BRAND..PIPE OF PEACE.so benedictus etc.......godfeys phillips
uk..firm..their b.d.v. brand .tobacco.....50s.huge life of cigs..roll up
cigs rizler paper.roll up..senior service
tips..etc..silk..etc....adverts...life was swamped with cigs pipes
etc...lovely later worked home..etc..tv...road adverts..cinema..massive
decrease..media
cigs..good...never hear of think of them...but 50s .all day surrounded
by it..pubs etc..ashtrays.tins tobacco..packets..upstairs.bus..huge
obsession gone..smell...fog. soot.....tony myself never smoked... ... more >>
- Re: general
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 14-Aug-2012
I tapped in Google "tobacco kiosk
at Southall station 1954 what do initials stand for" and several lists
came up.In one of them it mentions "soldiers cigarette, inscribed at
base 'B.D.V. Extra Mild Cigarettes, 10 for 3d". Another one mentions
"BDV cigarette factory." Still can't find what initials stand for
though.
- Re: general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-Aug-2012
10 for 3d......gosh the
costs..knew of in 50s...my aunt said when they put it up even more..will
stop..so angry gov tax...she did age 70 but 80s...lungs let her down
and throat..suffered so bad..but social work home..30s 40s etc..they all
loved it..ben.dominus vobiscum...the latin nickname..in google..pipe
peace.......but the brand name..tobacco..was
boyd..dibrell..virginia.....1900 to 1948 popular
brand cigs etc...silk...so kiosk...of them.....the owner company of
brand was godfrey philips...is so great 1970 onwards never heard saw
cigs...both of us never worked cigs environment etc...buses..restaurants
etc.pub. better...tv etc..lovely not to see it all the time..no
ashtrays soot.smoke. air etc...great lifetime now since 1970 better.we
both never.so many yrs now...think of it...but all my family..young
people then war..it was way life..work social leisure for them...it got
them through and enjoy ... more >>
- Re: general
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 14-Aug-2012
Thanks for the adverts and tin of
BDV cigarettes Yvonne on Southallboard52. I loved the caption on the
advert "Weekend trips to Australia for far less coupons" and "Just like
hand-made". I wonder how many coupons were needed in the 1930's, and who
would want to go to Australia for the week end?
- Re: general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-Aug-2012
lovely laugh out loud.pauline
thanks..you read it before had chance thanks....amaze all the promotions
over years...cigs coupons collect free gifts .etc..petrol ..green
shield stamps etc...ha...advertisers try hard...ha..worked for library
inst advertisers belgrave sq london once...but great lunch breaks around
hyde park corner and buck palace...playing cards of dbv..king of
clubs..king of tobacco.....northcot pub smelt of fullers strong brew smell bars and at open cellar..hatch and fags...smell...ha ... more >>
- Re: general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-Aug-2012
denis.....another photo western
rd on board52...flexman garage coaches fina petrol...195 double deck bus
outside there 1960s...dalton weekly huge adv on bus....christie in
southall ealing...booklet...on board 52....he was 30s 40s trouble
police...arrested southall pk...of palace cinema...etc...etc..6 articles
in google...and ealing librarian oates....mondays tv 2 films at moment
on....also famous 10 rillington..west london murderer woman..poor welsh boy hung wrongly.... ... more >>
- Re: general
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 14-Aug-2012
Thanks Yvonne will have a look, do you think we mite banned with this thread for cigarette advertising
- Re: general
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 14-Aug-2012
By the way last comment was LOL
- Re: general
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 14-Aug-2012
Hi Denis, with all due respects,
Yvonne and I were not advocating cigarette advertising nowadays, we were
merely commenting on advertising by a company called BDV in the 1930's.
We all know that cigarette advertising nowadays should be completely
banned.
- Re: general
by Janice Johnson (Member 10240407) on 14-Aug-2012
I've just found the following
information about BDV ciggies. It's thought BDV stood for Boyd &
Dibrell Virginia, the US suppliers of the tobacco. Another theory is
that it stood for the Latin: Benedictus dominus vobiscum loosely
translated means The Pipe of Peace. Needless to say, I didn't do the
translation, it was done for me!
- Re: general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-Aug-2012
huge difference these days..hear
less about..tobacco.thank goodness.......but they worked hard
deserved..pleasure yrs ago....myself tony were surrounded by it
1950s..we say..our own lives at last .work home leisure..have forgotten
about it since 1970....much has gone out of
fashion....www.flickr.southallboard52...lots memories....flickr
photostream...sometimes shows up easy in google...with any picture subject.added..lots memories denis....hope you enjoy thanks... ... more >>
- Re: general
by jean edward (Member 10247075) on 14-Aug-2012
While watching the new version of
Upstairs Downstairs they showed the lady of the house going to the
Womans League of Health & Beauty.
I had forgotten all about it but recalled going to a branch in Southall
somewhere around the mid 1940's, just after I left school. It was
somewhere near Southall Park but that is all I can remember.
Have we any one on here that remembers it and can job my memory.
I do remember the uniform was in black satin for the shorts(more like knickers) and the blouse white satin.
Any news of it would be most helpful!! jean ... more >>
- Re: general
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 14-Aug-2012
I know Pauline i was joking hence the LOL on the end
- Re: general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-Aug-2012
in google jean...womens..ruislip
lido..grass whole exercise routine navy..knickers type thing white
tops..whole routine..1936..exercise..british pathe news.film...lots
womens..league in google wembley 1948 olympics..they entertained....in
google....and 1938 pageant wembley june stadium...hope you find
southall....local history library for southall at
ealing...email...jonathon oates he is very helpful....indexes
records he has...gazette etc clubs..times gone by.records he
has.....email is in google.....australia he will be so pleased southall
interest........ ... more >>
- Re: general
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 14-Aug-2012
Hi Denis - trust me to get it wrong. I thought you were sending LOTS OF LOVE ha ha! Love Pauline
- Re: general
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 14-Aug-2012
Pauline no laugh out loud its ok
- Re: general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-Aug-2012
RED LION IN GOOGLE
TODAY...GREENFORD....EXCHANGED CONTRACTS...CLOSED WEEKEND REGULARS MOURN
LOSS..LANDLADY EVANS.AGE37 MET HUBBY IN PUB..ECONOMY NOT POSS KEEP
GOING..SHELLFISH BAR WAS TO RIGHT OUT FRONT YRS....HUNTER 76 OF ALLENBY
RD BEEN GOING THERE OVER 20YRS HIS ALLENBY PUB CLOSED NOW A SHOP...2YRS
AGO....DAVE 46 RAN AROUND IT AS KID 1960 HIS DAD WORKED THE BAR...2 OLD
LADIES GO EVERY WEEK FOR FOOD
DINNERS.......NOT KNOW SURE WHAT NEW OWNERS DO WITH IT..LARGE AREA
LAND..TIM 59YRS OLD YEARS THERE DEVASTATED..GREENFORD CHAT PHOTOS SITE
ALL COMPLAIN.....BOARD52 PHOTOS...PUT FLEXMAN COACHES FLICKR IN GOOGLE
AND BOARD 51 COMES UP...BOARD52 MIGHT COME UP WITH SUBJECTS IN
GOOGLE..... ... more >>
- Re: general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 14-Aug-2012
jean....detailed film google
british pathe....1938 pinner middlesex.50 of them.womens
league..exercises..filmed.....and 1939 wembley stadium..100s of them
little white blouse navy nickers...all exercises..carry banners group
town they belong...leader lady douglas....new photos aec berk tanker
under iron bridge ys ago .bus traffic..etc lots new photos..odeon ten
pin bowl at uxbridge rd.....farewell party at greenford red lion was emotional.gazette today says......... ... more >>
- Re: general
by Sandy (Member 10264317) on 15-Aug-2012
Yes I remember speedway at Wembly
great fun my husbands mum used to knit wembly speedway jumpers red
& white that was before I met him though. I also remember the lady
who picked up fag ends. She was often ridiculed by people who thought
she was drunk,however she was a very sick women I beleive she had a
similar condition as John Merick she nearly always wore a veil over the
back of her head as a child
I remember telling adults who were insulting her that they "should know
better " and that " she was very ill" I had not thought about her for
many years this artical brought it all back. ... more >>
- Re: general
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Aug-2012
thats sad sandy.growths.and body
problems...and at the southall green area sections of southall
hospital...did and still does social
problems..departments..illnesses..specialised...for many yrs...and
unable get job like that would not have the money..sad that lady....no
social and nhs etc....those old days..back further in time..not much
help for her..and others....
|
|
SOUTHALL OLYMPIC TORCH
|
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Jul-2012
|
3PM.LIVE.VIDEO..ON GOOGLE..OLYMPIC2012.COM......http://www.london2012.com/torch-relay/video/live.html
3PM BROUGH HILLINGDON..AT UXBRIDGE....5PM NORTHALA FIELDS BORIS BECKER
FLAME...AFTER DOWN LADY MARG RD..UXBRIDGE RD HANWELL EALING
BROADWAY..PARTY NIGHT WALPPOLE PK..FLAME ..FIRWKS
YELLOW VAN..2 COACHES OUTRIDER..FAME CHAPS RUN ALONG..AND WHITE TRACJ SUIT TORCH BEARER..KISS FLANME PASS ON RELAY.JOIN
FLAME...ON COMPUTER..LIVE VIDEO...LOTS CROWDS FAMILIES KIDS
BALLOONS..ALL WAVE ETC...PAVEMENT..SOME SIDE TRAFFIC ALLOWED
BY...WEDNESDAY IN HARROW... ... more >>
- Re: SOUTHALL OLYMPIC TORCH
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Jul-2012
tony says......in
google....london2012.com........................live torch..then when
goes in van to denham..van down western ave...no live run....but
then..borough ealing........live northala
fields..party...northolt.................leaves..goes.taylor woodrow
roundabout..down lady marg rd southall.........crowds see on computer
cheer..taking photos......left east uxbridge rd..ealing hospital was
st bernards......hanwell to ealing broadway evening.....live on
computer.......sunshine..pavement ..crowds ..great fun....waving torch
bearers................. ... more >>
- Re: SOUTHALL OLYMPIC TORCH
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Jul-2012
boris becker..tennis..starts
torch off from northala fields..northolt....lady marg
rd..crowds...flags...great on live film....in
google...free...............some people come on bikes...western ave
closed for van torch flame to get through rush hour traffic......polish
war memorial raf..target roundabout empty road for
them.....outriders.siren.........google says red lion.pub.closing.for
last time 11
aug...greenford high st...................leader.borough ealing
council..there...angelica bell father...she is on the one show..bbc
tv.....a tv presenter well known......... ... more >>
- Re: SOUTHALL OLYMPIC TORCH
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 24-Jul-2012
Did Lady Marg. Rd. teatime brilliant got pics put up on my Fliker site tomorow
- Re: SOUTHALL OLYMPIC TORCH
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 24-Jul-2012
If it had gone another 4
days it would have been 68 yrs. to the day for 1948 a few
weeks later i started at Lady Marg Rd infants school
- Re: SOUTHALL OLYMPIC TORCH
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Jul-2012
well done denis will look your
site later..hot 30 degrees..crowds everywhere uxbridge
hillingddon..northala boris becker.........lady marg ..has.10 photos on
board52.....6 different girls did relay there..longest rd southall....7
runners turns high st to iron bridge..viaduct .live film going over
hanwell bridge carnival crowd hanwell west ealing..fireworks music
ealing pk..night...harrow on the hill
tomorrow....queen buck palace fri....thurs south bank tate modern..run
inside aroung shakespeare globe...great coaches..procession
outrunners..etc..lots camera......cheers waves..confetti
.balloons..flags..samsung blue banners loads waving...went in sponser
coca cola at uxbridge office..lunch break........flame inside van along
western ave closed empty road rush hour. ... more >>
- Re: SOUTHALL OLYMPIC TORCH
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 24-Jul-2012
tony says ..austerity games 1948
july...4 days difference amazing.........new this year to uk..to do such
amaze...whole tour ..10 mls from anybody in uk....other countries may
try it in future...huge success..brings people together joy.....so
........tony says where what towns did flame torch go 1948...wembley
stadium..venue........athletes lodged greenford etc
etc..1948..lodgings..........white city 1908...when italy could not do it...volcano eruption.... ... more >>
- Re: SOUTHALL OLYMPIC TORCH
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Jul-2012
gt on line free live film..torch
running...harrow shop centre..harrow on hill famous school..tony few
mates out of office..just there they changed torch..gt pics he
took.workers all in shorts tshirts.they let you take photo 3 mates
with..other torch at pavement.he took.........wembley stadium
tonight.queen our favourite cowes isle wight today,,they open queen vic
private beach osborn 1st time ever
now..day 67..southall ..onlive.film.video.repeat today..on
line...london2012.com..site...was after 5pm yesterday..so be on ..live
film..for yesterday..on computer..board52 lots lovely photos..gt
crowds..middlesex..feel very proud my our middlesex...kate wills
harry..torch at buck palace fri..queen opening ceremony..people
together.joy.great year.... ... more >>
- Re: SOUTHALL OLYMPIC TORCH
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 25-Jul-2012
Pics up on Flickr not the best was crowded, thats right about our Middesex
- Re: SOUTHALL OLYMPIC TORCH
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 25-Jul-2012
PS Some more pics latter but not of torch
- Re: SOUTHALL OLYMPIC TORCH
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Jul-2012
yes tony tried today.....quieter
road...but in amoungst people....quiet road so..torch swop just by
him..they took photos mates holding.other torch at pavement.32
degrees..colourful..tshirts shorts carnival most places..tonight
haringay..they did wembley and stadium............1948.relay.dover
arrived canterbury.maidstone reigate guildford windsor presume see
king..slough uxbridge then must be uxbridge
rd..up north to wembley arrived stadium in 24 hrs....call it north
orbital.a40 western ave.what lot names.......on line live film in
denham..in google..and yesterdays..in google..see the film...taken.lady
marg rd was live.......982 bearers 200mls london..2012.relay...will try
your photos...10 lady marg photos on board52 torch ... more >>
- Re: SOUTHALL OLYMPIC TORCH
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Jul-2012
excellent photos..flame flickers
as by your old flat west side......coca cola photo good..they went in
coca office at uxbridge for refreshment break,,sponsor......by ascot
gdns........if around60yrs ago..we could have all walked out west ave
northcote ave north rd to see parade..you were clever to park...yellow
lines permits..everywhere now......2 coaches yellow says..moment to
shine...and relay 2012...your
photo bridge.river brent..flats was prefabs.golflinks in back...half
dozen rare photos prefab estate on board52 and other
boards..1950...boris on hill northala..board52 shows southall gasholder
distance...bt josie saw it...people taking holiday time off work..kids
holidays...wonderful people crowds.looking gt..well done west middlesex ... more >>
- Re: SOUTHALL OLYMPIC TORCH
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 25-Jul-2012
No parking restrictions in Ascot Grdns.
- Re: SOUTHALL OLYMPIC TORCH
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Jul-2012
GREAT THINK SOUTHALL GETS AWAY
WITH IT ABIT......EVERYWHERE ELSE IT IS NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE........GO BUS
EASIER DONT HAVE TO PARK....YELLOW LINES...PERMITS ETC..SO BAD
EVERYWHERE LAST 10YRS //20YRS...SAW 3 CARS BEING TOWED AWAY LOCAL.LAST
WEEK.......OFTEN SAY OH CANT GO THERE CANT GO ANYWHERE MUCH..CANT
PARK...IF CAN DO BUS....LONG WINDED BUT EASIER...........WALPOLE PK
CAULDRON.SPEECHES PHOTOS ON BOARD52.......STAGE... ... more >>
- Re: SOUTHALL OLYMPIC TORCH
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 26-Jul-2012
More pics up
- Re: SOUTHALL OLYMPIC TORCH
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Jul-2012
marvellous denis...flats at where
old sawmill dormers...just to left of them think..our photo
boards..has..little very old detached cottage.quaint loooking.number
3....opposite beehive pub..by ..little shop sweets post office...great
to see build of dormers..on our dinner hut..we girls..morris
headmistress.had to say for what about receive prayer at table of 8 of
us daily.....wonder which month they
demolish 1934 old...my aunt doll who was in same class.tudor. as
len....and dad were at dormers then......red lion greenford closes for
good 11 aug...new lean too.outside beehive....dormers.allenby rd prmary
last 20yrs been on site of our old dinner hut...expanding
expect.........dormers canteen got built 20 yrs ago up by boys side of
main old building...kate wiils torch buck palace 11.30 live tv channel
free 80....globe was great at 10am..torch on stage...fantastic..band
music in globe we went in romeo juliet last yr.today torch at finish
line of white city 1908 stadium..photos in gazette this week.and 1948
long lane hillingdon torch families out.wave...fri hampton ct torch up
river to stadium.... ... more >>
- Re: SOUTHALL OLYMPIC TORCH
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 26-Jul-2012
That right looking at
thatched house on Tuesday, only 1 crane at Dormers now its
moved on a lot since we were there have some pics of L.M
Road & Dormers before it goes
- Re: SOUTHALL OLYMPIC TORCH
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Jul-2012
photo number3 cottage allenby on
our boards..yours trumpers way hanwell..good.........tues the torch went
uxbridge trumpers ..cross street.. high st....then lido uxbridge sports
ground....good swc photo..southall water company..google has photos
ealing and hanwell of ..old original..road bits..like that.....6pm buck
palace kate wills today torch..30 mls central london flame..wembley
stadium .in 68 day
yesterday has torch online daily..with banks goalie...1 crane dormers
was 2 high huge ones..nearly finished sept 2012 and 2013...all
complete..new entrance allenby rd...new pavilion spike pk in google
costing millions..whole sorts complex there...lots local old pubs got
canopy lean too now outside..road traffic but seats for smokers etc...gt
open ceremony fri night...beckham has role ... more >>
- Re: SOUTHALL OLYMPIC TORCH
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 26-Jul-2012
That should be detached not thached
- Re: SOUTHALL OLYMPIC TORCH
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 26-Jul-2012
fancy Res Lion closing times
i have past it on the 105 going to Shepherds Bush with mum
shopping all thoes year ago
- Re: SOUTHALL OLYMPIC TORCH
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Jul-2012
very old pub...maps 1700s show
inn on that corner...had football screen etc..last yrs...been
struggling....right on the shops..small car park...greenford locals site
says closes for last time 11 aug..white hart down by was prefabs...bare
ground long time now.....good photos prefabs and plots map plan also
1947 to 70...on boards..old ancient hare hounds..labourers pub
1800..still open ..up by was greenford
grammar entrance...black horse at canal open....hare hounds
osterley..lovely green open rural area back osterley pk hanging baskets
open..ancient pub....allenby now heating shop....torch went in museum
london today st pauls wobbly bridge...gt museum free been in many
times..now torch kensington..live online....tv 80 and 82 live news
also...beckham has secret role opening night...... ... more >>
- Re: SOUTHALL OLYMPIC TORCH
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Jul-2012
opposite red lion..huge catholic
wiseman comprehensive and huge 6th form college,,,double size now..all
along pavement.....littern closed many yrs ago..had bad fire..now old
peoples home....railway pub and brit legion.still there up oldfield
lane.....macdonalds burgers at iron bridge//big pub..torch went good
under there of old hansons.builders......new housing estate huge corner
there instead of old st bernards...
- Re: SOUTHALL OLYMPIC TORCH
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 26-Jul-2012
Dad worked at Iron Bridge when it was a garage after the war and was a garage i think up to the 70s
- Re: SOUTHALL OLYMPIC TORCH
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Jul-2012
we bought our wood ladder from
hanson..next along there,1974.......keith martinware on antique
roadshow.greenwich.her dad went to the factory.southall canal.base says
december 1895..aspedestra..giardinare...she uses for xmas tree and will
conitinue to...£8000..but had to say £3000 because fault in kiln
fire..mark.......unique all were sculpured one off...huge with 2
grotesque fantasy wally birds bright blue beaks each side... ... more >>
- Re: SOUTHALL OLYMPIC TORCH
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 26-Jul-2012
The mention of Ascot Gardens sent my mind racing back to 1940-a land mine fell close to Ascot Gardens!
- Re: SOUTHALL OLYMPIC TORCH
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Jul-2012
no name but in google.....his
house flattened by landmine ascot gdns..with houses in the road..people
killed.....so.1944 he 2 bros sister evacuated to burton trent..found
photo getting of train at station in their library.dad worked hoover
perivale toolmaker..mum worked munitions southall.6mths she got fed
up..went got kids back...end war street party had their piano out in
street sing song..he said
as kid saw doodle bugs flame out back.ascot gdns area..anderson shelter
but dad in his bed..big shelters in street..flower beds now are in lady
marg rd......my heston lady well into her 80s.house flattened
war.springwell rd cranford lane lots bombs because heston airport..they
went back after war rebuilt it...same time my gt aunt hubby..blown bits
rocket v.off his bike age 60 to work springwell rd...grave heston church
says 1944..not much left but wife brother.there...he and brother
survived the somme..piccadily buck palace live ...live.now.wills
kate..crowds..summer fun... ... more >>
- Re: SOUTHALL OLYMPIC TORCH
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 26-Jul-2012
Yvonne do you know who the torch bearer was in Lady Marg. Rd
- Re: SOUTHALL OLYMPIC TORCH
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 26-Jul-2012
Funny you mention the land mine i was looking at the houses that replaced the ones that got hit Micheal
- Re: SOUTHALL OLYMPIC TORCH
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Jul-2012
no...there were whole length
about 6..mainly ladies....google might say...gazette...local library
might know,,ealing civic centre council would know....,,,all special
people chosen..deserve....saw whole thing live online .....33 mls today
london...8000bearers 8000mls uk.....gt success achieve splendid...tony
got his photo taken..by him..harrow torch........................
- Re: SOUTHALL OLYMPIC TORCH
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Jul-2012
our mr maynard on site wrote 2003
here site,,and also google bbc site..he said end road got
flattened...lots long list bomb memories 2003...pages back
here....google may say...4 different ladies relay down lady marg
rd...passed at carlisle rd long delay ..think clear traffic ahead at
lights..then couple changes..up to southall pk...then couple to iron
bridge..wheelchair one......carol margetts started
relay torch she ran top lady marg start.....tom thacker..last part
ealing..lite..cauldron stage walpole pk..tony thinks he saw runners
names once on 2012 site online..in google...8000 mls 8000 runners
uk...33 mls central london..special people deserve reasons...parliament
gov people not allowed to touch it...boris becker at northala and ealing
walpole pk....dozen photos board52..60000 people hyde
pk..cauldron.stage.gt weather ... more >>
- Re: SOUTHALL OLYMPIC TORCH
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Jul-2012
our mr maynard on site wrote 2003
here site,,and also google bbc site..he said end road got
flattened...lots long list bomb memories 2003...pages back
here....google may say...4 different ladies relay down lady marg
rd...passed at carlisle rd long delay ..think clear traffic ahead at
lights..then couple changes..up to southall pk...then couple to iron
bridge..wheelchair one......carol margetts started
relay torch she ran top lady marg start.....tom thacker..last part
ealing..lite..cauldron stage walpole pk..tony thinks he saw runners
names once on 2012 site online..in google...8000 mls 8000 runners
uk...33 mls central london..special people deserve reasons...parliament
gov people not allowed to touch it...boris becker at northala and ealing
walpole pk....dozen photos board52..60000 people hyde
pk..cauldron.stage.gt weather ... more >>
- Re: SOUTHALL OLYMPIC TORCH
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Jul-2012
says carol voted to torch by her
students..head pe teacher.cancer had chemo went back chatted all to
students.age 43 twyford cof e school acton.tom..helps community and
disabled etc.long plated drawn back.plated brades black hair gold stud
earrings..on our board...says queen mum 1948 decided route..it
was..dover across up to windsor castle under her bedroom window slough
uxbridge to wembley stadium..photo
long lane hillingdon.families cheer 1948 in gazette with 1908 photo
in...uxbridge high st..bikes..long.dresses edwardians.shops.torch
runners... ... more >>
- Re: SOUTHALL OLYMPIC TORCH
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Jul-2012
list 28 names..borough ealing
torch runners..carrie mok ange moris..might be lady marg......1 celeb
for each..we had boris becker.start
northala..........kingston...etc..had other...in google...celeb sport
etc people...etc..
- Re: SOUTHALL OLYMPIC TORCH
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 26-Jul-2012
Ok thanks
- Re: SOUTHALL OLYMPIC TORCH
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Jul-2012
gt last day.our.maze hampton
ct..flame cauldron on royal barge gloriana..thames.big ben 8.12 am..40
rings and churches..3 mins...tower bridge huge rings..to
stadium..greatest show on earth.tonight.queen opens.secret.flame.torch
bearer.surprises..rehearsals done..
- Re: SOUTHALL OLYMPIC TORCH
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 27-Jul-2012
Denis-what an interesting
coincidennce you looking recently at those houses which replaced those
destroyed by the land mine in 1940
- Re: SOUTHALL OLYMPIC TORCH
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 27-Jul-2012
Yes Micheal it was only on
Tuesday i whent to L.M. Rd to take a pic of torch, i
remember playing in them as they were built must 1949/9
- Re: SOUTHALL OLYMPIC TORCH
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 27-Jul-2012
That should be 1948/9 having a bad brain day
- Re: SOUTHALL OLYMPIC TORCH
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 27-Jul-2012
Micheal if you would care to
go on my Flickr photostream d.sexton428 i have just posted a
pic of a section of silk cord from the mines parachute
- Re: SOUTHALL OLYMPIC TORCH
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 27-Jul-2012
Denis - When I was young, I
remember hearing that a mother had got her children ready for school,
and had just left them to go to work when a land mine had landed in Lady
Margaret road and killed them. I know you lived in Lady Margaret road.
Did you ever hear about that sad story?
- Re: SOUTHALL OLYMPIC TORCH
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Jul-2012
amazing photo..denis 1940...mr
maynard our site 2003 said mum evacuated him...after his ascot rd bad
bombing..and on bbc site google 2003 he did.......midday torch city
hall.now.pontoon huge rings..then later secret event at tower
bridge...before torch will arrive 9pm..stadium...freeview tv...80 or
82..live..tower bridge
- Re: SOUTHALL OLYMPIC TORCH
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Jul-2012
in google..type.....june richards lived ascot gardens war,.,landmine.southall..her bbc account......
- Re: SOUTHALL OLYMPIC TORCH
by jean edward (Member 10247075) on 27-Jul-2012
Yvonne. Please look further down on the GWR thread I have left u a message
- Re: SOUTHALL OLYMPIC TORCH
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 27-Jul-2012
When I was at Southall Tech(1942-1945) there was a boy in my class who lived in Ascot Gardens-surname Milward.
- Re: SOUTHALL OLYMPIC TORCH
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 27-Jul-2012
Pauline and everyone i dont
know about deaths and injures but Dad wes in the Home Guard
i suspect he was orderd to guard the scene being the
nearest to it hence the cord he told me that chickens were
running every where. the curtains in our flat where sucked
thought the gaps in the closed windows in the vacuum wave
after the blast
- Re: SOUTHALL OLYMPIC TORCH
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Jul-2012
back...2002 page...title
war........mr maynard ascot gdns...his dad slept in house blast bay
window in..but alive.......in google.bbc war memories it comes up
easy......could be his sister....june richards....ascot gdns southall
landmine..towards end rd houses flattened...she speaks of
casualties..police on bike blew whistle them to take cover....
- Re: SOUTHALL OLYMPIC TORCH
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 27-Jul-2012
That silk cord is certainly a wartime souvenir Dennis. Thanks for the information. Good photos on your Flickr photostream.
- Re: SOUTHALL OLYMPIC TORCH
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Jul-2012
june says it was july 1944...mum
evacuated her 2 bros sister after it but got them back 6mths later..dad
worked for hoover toolmaker.....load hay pub greenford was 1944
landmine..sanders big store ealing broadway was too.......northolt
airport.and western ave war factories.........near etc......plane would
see that straight clear line of canal..parallel with lady marg
rd.......my gt aunt hubby direct
hit off his bike houses flattened by him...springwell rd
heston..airport target.....1944 on grave with wife brother but.age 60
off his bike v..rocket..they said..survived with his brother the
somme...the lady in her late 80s back in hse rebuilt.still lives there
today..became english teacher ... more >>
- Re: SOUTHALL OLYMPIC TORCH
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 27-Jul-2012
Thank you Pauline glad you enjoyed them
- Re: SOUTHALL OLYMPIC TORCH
by thompson (Member 10241148) on 28-Jul-2012
Well last night we British showed the world how to put on a show.
The Queen's sense of humour was expressed by the James Bond clip; good
on you Liz. Princess Anne and her husband Tim were holding up the Union
Flag when Team GB entered the arena.
This games has jelled the Nation with a feel good effect, just what we need with so much doom and gloom in the world.
GO TEAM GB!!!!! THE UK IS WITH YOU ... more >>
- Re: SOUTHALL OLYMPIC TORCH
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Jul-2012
YES MR THOMPSON...it was all
wonderful good use of thames too...redarrows..beckham speedboat..amaze
new idea for all copper kettles union one huge caudron flame..social
history..rural..to industrial revolution iron steel...hot liquid made
the rings..factories..mills..child
labour..war..suffragets.music..pearlies.nhs.swing 60s.mini car..maypole
may day we had at new dormers primary fields 1954 to 1970..photos torch lady margaret rd..high street southall.ironbridge viaduct..on our board52.. ... more >>
- Re: SOUTHALL OLYMPIC TORCH
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 28-Jul-2012
64 years ago today we followed the other torch along the Western Ave.
- Re: SOUTHALL OLYMPIC TORCH
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Jul-2012
great photo in gazette.old
olympics..uxbridge coming through..long lane.hillingdon..cap brazes man
.1940s dress lady 40s push chair bab..cheer..bikes..1908 photo uxbridge
high st..flags..edwardian clothes....marathon coming through olympics
from windsor...redgrave told 10 days before kept
secret..prefilmed..runup steps.but he was thrilled to go through
construct workers hard hats...kids who.were nominated
took the flame.for cauldron..not able to tell parents surprise
secret.petals flames went up such clever photography.high chimneys
clever..jarrow march part of our development..teacher worked with
locally her dad came down on march....british web inventor arena at his
computer .lots mobile phones.....28 million uk watched..brunel of our 3
bridges..gwr..bell gt at whitechapel last in country we went once on
open day.nimrod etc music gt..western ave ..closed off.for.torch by van
to northala..rush hour traffic.got through...46 rings of big ben .other
time was funeral queens dad 1952.oz and canada have both said it was
excellent..mr bean.orchestra quirky..mr thompson family of swim..new
acton town hall swim and gym.in progress and huge sport at
spikes.southall..english literature and kids harry potter.mary
poppins.peter pan..great fun.. ... more >>
- Re: SOUTHALL OLYMPIC TORCH
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 4-Aug-2012
GREAT YOU TUBE FILMS IN GOOGLE
FLAME TORCH OLYMPICS RELAY SOUTHALL...LENGTH.LADY MARG RD.....AND NORTH
TOP..AT RUISLIP RD.STILL PETROL GARAGE EAST CORNER SIDE....we bought car
1980s at car sales on west corner you spoke of denis..top grass
roundabout trees...bus waiting..coaches torch going
through...ALSO...film of uxbridge..torch......and other films uxbridge
in google,,
- Re: SOUTHALL OLYMPIC TORCH
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 5-Aug-2012
Dad got his petrol there in the 50s when it was Elbournes garage
- Re: SOUTHALL OLYMPIC TORCH
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 5-Aug-2012
right hand east side...esso
garage many yrs petrol 1970s etc....opposite car sales...west side...we
bought 1980ish..think was mazda car......place gone now....all taylor
woodrow gone..but sculpture..working team...still there in housing
estate....by canal.......
- Re: SOUTHALL OLYMPIC TORCH
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 5-Aug-2012
Who remembers the airaid
shelters in the Grammer school grounds L.Marg, Rg. side always
had shallow water in and full of Newts
- Re: SOUTHALL OLYMPIC TORCH
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 5-Aug-2012
lots on new greenford grammar in
google 1939 yrs ..kids..tipped incendury bombs off toilet roof
etc..northolt airport over them was target...closure demolish.art deco
tower.late 1980s..reunion..they went tea cakes photos on
google...dormers girls shelter 60s full cobwebs..told in assembly not to
go down deep dark...
- Re: SOUTHALL OLYMPIC TORCH
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 5-Aug-2012
We were told not to go in Dormers shelters in the 50s
- Re: SOUTHALL OLYMPIC TORCH
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 5-Aug-2012
ah girls assembly 1960s...miss
morris tweedy age over 60...school marm...girls told not..go near
shelters concrete..damp..dark inside deep...very wet smell dank...1970
still there...new build eventually gone.....by netball court in middle
open square...chris josie remember.....by near outdoor loos
cloakroom....all go 2013..1934 orginal.demolish..corridors..hall....2
floors classrooms 37 /40 kids..small
desks.crammed in...windows down outer side....can draw it all ..not got
photos though..we did not think.to...no money fancy cameras...gt
pity....6 yrs life there.....head boy boys school got meningitis..6th
form...but ok..think...he got over.....it..fire boys hall.......lots
sport dormers famous for ... more >>
- Re: SOUTHALL OLYMPIC TORCH
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 5-Aug-2012
gazette.... harold whitlock mbe
of .chinnor cres.hanwell..won olympic gold...race walk athletics 1936
berlin..1952 olympics.age 48 still holds oldest ever
athlete...........motorbike.racing track brooklands...born greenford
1903............mr stanley born 1946 perivale maternity hosp.tells the
story.as he was next door neighbour...whitlock worked sudbury .sixsmith
garage.mechanic..26 yrs after death.honoured
by england athletics hall fame...1985....looks like murray might win
olympic tennis..any minute now....hope..........gt medals...super
saturday as well.....gb... ... more >>
|
|
R.I.P Len
|
by Dilys Boot (Member 10061138) on 20-Jul-2012
|
Just read on Facebook that our dear friend Len Goddard died at home today.RIP Len. You will be missed by all of us.
- Re: R.I.P Len
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 20-Jul-2012
OH I am so sorry..very best
wishes to lens family from tony yvonne...saw on facebook that lady read
he had ..a slight stroke little while ago..we will all miss him so
much...how wonderful on our site..unique..he was...we have his wonderful
memories..to read any time..thankyou..lots of love..always..so very sad
indeed
- Re: R.I.P Len
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 20-Jul-2012
I was greatly saddened to hear of Len passing away.We will miss him on this site.
Our thoughts go out to Lens family
- Re: R.I.P Len
by Chris (Member 10220786) on 20-Jul-2012
I never actually met Len but we
struck up a 'friendship' and we kept in touch via emails and Christmas
cards; all through this site. What a wonderful, knowledgeable man he
was. A perfect gentleman. RIP LEN - we will never forget you! Chris
xxx
- Re: R.I.P Len
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 20-Jul-2012
God Bless you, Len
- Re: R.I.P Len
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 20-Jul-2012
So sorry len all that knowlage gone for ever god bless len hope you are now where you want to be
- Re: R.I.P Len
by Zeta Stanley (Member 10256988) on 20-Jul-2012
So very very sad, Len told me so
much about places and people in Southall, photos of people he knew their
names, he answered so many of my queries of past times, my sincere
condolences to all the family, he will sincerely missed. Rest in Peace
Len xxx
- Re: R.I.P Len
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 20-Jul-2012
I am so very sad to hear that our
dear Len has died. He was one of those people who you thought would go
on for ever. I will miss his endless funny e-mails and all the photos of
places in Southall that he knew were special to me. God bless you Len
for for all the names of all the shops in Southall. You were amazing,
and I will never forget you. You were a wonderful person. My thoughts go
out to your family at this sad time. ... more >>
- Re: R.I.P Len
by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 21-Jul-2012
Very sad to lose one of our group. Condolences to the family.
- Re: R.I.P Len
by Phyl Hutnell (Member 10234816) on 21-Jul-2012
Sincere condolences to Len's family and friends on their sad loss.
- Re: R.I.P Len
by jean edward (Member 10247075) on 22-Jul-2012
So sorry to hear about Len's
passing. He was the first person I ever spoke to on here and he always
had a cheery word and so much knowledge of Southall, things I had long
forgotton.
My condolences to his family, I am sure such a lovely man will be sadly missed.
- Re: R.I.P Len
by barry raymond (Member 10239180) on 28-Jul-2012
So sorry to hear of the passing
of Len, contacted him many times both on and off this site. Anything you
wanted to know about Southall you would ask Len.
Condolences to his family.
|
|
GWR line from Southall to Brentford
|
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 5-Jul-2012
|
This line has always intrigued me. During the war years, I used to see
freight trains going into the AEC brounds-this was from the path that
wemt under the main railway, past AEC, to the canal. Evidently passenger
services stopped in 1942-rumour had it that the line had been badly
affcted when trams/trolley buses started to go along Boston Manor
Road.In1993, I went on a train along the Brentford l ine as far as the Great West Road-there is no longer a bridge there.
This trip was organised by the GWR Preservation Society. I recall the
site of Trumpers Crossing Halt-why was there a station there?? ... more >>
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 5-Jul-2012
Trumpers Crossing is on a very ancient trackway.
Cannot answer in full tonight but I will soon. The "old road" went to
the old site buried under Heathrow. Sharvil Lane is another old
trackway that I wrote about more recently and see if these threads are
retrievable via searching old threads
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 7-Jul-2012
We are back or was it me.
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 7-Jul-2012
yes all day off..through night
may be trouble...sent 6 emails to them ..been back
on..hour............all knowhere sites were off....happens couple times
yr....board 52.....lots photos..trumpers..station...maps ..rail
trumpers...etc.......loads on penny hospital
southall..photos...etc.....in chesnuts old work mens club....1940s 50s
charlie.hayes .president there......at 1935 opened at featherstone
rd.....
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 7-Jul-2012
No, it wasn't you Denis. We've all been out.
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 7-Jul-2012
Ok thank you both.
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 8-Jul-2012
Trumpers Lane in Hanwell was an
"old road" and its use was curtailed by the building of the canal and
the enclosing of Osterley Park. It is one of those ancient roads
across open country and this one headed SW towards the old village of
Heath Row and Bedfont etc. We all know how unbelievably rural this
would have been only 150+ years ago. The GWR built the halt there for
passengers to/from Brentford
really. But the trams took away most of the passengers. The GWR line
took a lot of freight to and from Brentford Docks, even until the early
'60s (there was even a Saturday freight working then). Passengers were
of little importance on this line. . . . . . But Trumpers Lane was an
"old road" as opposed to an ancient road. Sharvil Lane, Charville Lane,
Harvil Lane falls into the ancient category and I wrote a fair bit
about this some months ago. It is one of the oldest routes in England
from Salisbury Plain to East Anglia. The most rural bit now is along
the hill crest by the shooting range Yeading. ... more >>
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 8-Jul-2012
Keith-Thanks very much for that
highly interesting information. I presume the line must have run along
the back of StBernards Hospital
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 8-Jul-2012
Yes. Don't forget, the line
opened in 1860, so way later than the canal. There is a fair bit on
Wikipedia (southall Brentford GWR branch) and a photo of Brentford Town
station too. >> > > I understand there is still a train on
the line once a day just as far as the Waste Disposal place just north
of the Great West Road. This takes west London's rubbish to a big
incinerator at a place called Calvert
which is north west of Aylesbury. As a kid, I remember seeing freight
trains regularly on this line, all to and from Brentford Docks. There
is/was a book published by Middleton Press called "Branch Lines of West
London" that covers this line, the Greenford loop, both the GW branches
and the W Drayton to Staines branch too. Good photos inside. ... more >>
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 8-Jul-2012
Also, don't forget, the GWR OWNED
Brentford Docks. It enabled them access to the Port Of London on
their OWN tracks rather than have to go through London and thus pay to
use the other companies lines pre-nationalisation. Owning Brentford
Docks meant that other railway companies could not hold them to ransom.
Passenger traffic on this line was almost an inconvenience.
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Jul-2012
THANKYOU both so interesting.....link of our photos etc trumpers..if it helps.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/81447106@N05/
board 52..flickr......charvill.the hill empty spacious green belt.still
green across shooting range area...some horses.. have been some cows
other years.....olympic torch goes along there...from borough hillingdon
to denham to borough ealing northolt park northala.then into
southall lady margaret rd...past smith farm 1574 photos our board..the
gate etched date ancient farm..bit of it barn..farmhouse there...on the
northolt southall greenford border.....quite bit on trumpers...in
google.....and borough ealing book £15 ..photo on our board.... ... more >>
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Jul-2012
only found out last bit my family
tree this year..labourers norwood green southall green 1803
..1806....but biscoe school 1770 for poor kids........must
helped..brother of my gt gt.gtgrandad.....born there 1841...1860s....the
new canal he had along there to brentford docks...must have heard of
cance better life ..money.........he went....by brentford
chiswick...apprentice,to chiswick master....got
his lighterman..qualification..london have confirmed they have him..of
the guild.livery..tom bush wingrove......thames flat
barge..cargo.....moved to poplar bromley bow....ships into dock he made
fortune....age 60 he went to owned pub..up by the parl...docks....came
back to norwood green to die buried havelock.1912 age 71..left probate
nearly £3000....so much in those days shared out......rest of
6siblings..then down john had 12 children..norwood green...some
labourers ..some trade from think head start biscoe school gave
them......great brentford dock huge amount in google have read.......now
modern marina housing complex huge fete every year.......but when I
worked beechams nearby 1970 it was still the old place...forgotten and
bit.decay..but historic...... ... more >>
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 8-Jul-2012
Look at > Brentford Railway
Station GWR < on wikipedia. Good 1961 photo. Look how things have
changed even since then
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 8-Jul-2012
photo trumpers our board etc...lots new things there
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 8-Jul-2012
Often walking along the path,
over the footbrige over the Brentford line connection to the AEC
factory, I used to see one of the GWR's first diesel
railcars,resplendant in brown and yellow colours.Elegant looking
compared to the current DMU's. I belive they used to run occasionally on
the West Drayton-Staines branch
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 9-Jul-2012
Hi Michael > > You need to
track down a copy of the Middleton Press book I referred to earlier
> I am sure it was published about year 2000, so is bound to be found
easily, and still might be available from publishers. I gave my copy
away but wish I hadn't. I cannot remember those AEC railcars on the
Staines branch, but certainly do on the Uxbridge one. . I think there
is a photo in the book.
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 9-Jul-2012
Mitchell, Vic; Smith, Keith (August 2000). Branch Lines of West London. Midhurst: Middleton Press. ISBN 1-901706-50-8.
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 9-Jul-2012
...............AND I have just
found that this exhibition is on at the Southall Railway Centre for just
another week > > > > see e~mail liknk at the end of this
message for details
GWR Brentford 150 Festival Exhibition
Published by GWR Preservation Group at 5:07 pm under GWRPG News
150th Anniversary of the Brentford Dock branch line, 3rd June – 18th July 2009
GWRPG founder member Edward Boxell, with his vast background of railway
heritage, has taken on this project of producing a photographic and
informative historic trail about the surrounding area covering the
Brentford branch line.
Coupled with the assistance from Michael Ryder, Chairman of the Musical
Museum in Brentford, the exhibition will be fully presented within the
museum galleries. It will be open for viewing from June 3rd through to
July 18th. Normal museum entrance rates will apply.
Additional local information about the Grand Union Canal from Southall to Brentford is to be provided by Brigitte Flock.
Other local historical groups have been invited to join in the event and
a leaflet about this exhibition and its contents will be available
soon.
Visit www.musicalmuseum.co.uk for details. ... more >>
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 9-Jul-2012
For Michael in particular
your original question was about Trumpers Crossing. The "Old Road",
once very important can be traced. Mattock Lane Ealing, gradually
"south of west" so diverging further from the Uxbridge Road, it becomes
Oaklands Road in Hanwell and on crossing Boston Rd, it becomes Tumpers
Way. By the time the canal was cut, it had become less important and
although it did cross
the canal, by 1859 when the railway to Brentford was built, the crossing
there was only a foot crossing. I can remember seeing the old path
heading beyond the site of Trumpers Crossing Halt, but it was almost
unused because Osterley Park was enclosed and by then it was easier to
have travelled along the Uxbridge Rd beyond St Bernards then Windmill
Lane and across three bridges and gone ARUND the park to Heston
Cranford, > > BUT parts can still be traced. The southern edge of
what is now a sports ground is the line of the old road, then the
Ealing/Hounslow borough boundary takes a bizarre undulating line again
in a WSW direction across Osterley Park. THAT is the track of the old
road. Then, where Norwood Lane Heston High Street and Fern Lane all
meet was once a crossroads. The Ealing/Hounslow borough boundary is
still at that very spot, but the old road to Hanwell and Ealing has now
been obliterated. A bit further west still, and it becomes > >
Cranford High Street!!. THAT my friend is the old road, and it then
continued though the old village of Heath Row, and all further traces of
it are lost.
I hope this helps and answers your question ... more >>
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 9-Jul-2012
Thanks very much indeed for all the info
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 9-Jul-2012
Not at all Michael. . . It is
more than just coincidence that the "ancient" road (Charville
Lane/Sharvil Lane) and this old, but newer road, (Mattock Lane -
Trumpers Way - Cranford - Heath Row), run almost parallel with each
other in a vague WSW - NE direction, but the more ancient road ran along
the higher ground.
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 10-Jul-2012
I have now got the book
recommended, and apert from Brentford,I was fascinated to see the West
Drayton to Staines branch-used to use it lot when going fishing. Thanks
for putting us on to that
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 11-Jul-2012
Michael you mention "Often
walking along the path, over the footbrige over the Brentford line
connection to the AEC factory" I seem to remember in the early 60's
walking along a raised path that ran beside the back of the AEC (where
my Father used to work) but it is only a vague memory & I can't for
the life of me remember where the path started. Do you have any further
information?
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 11-Jul-2012
Fred: If you walked along the
road that ran parallel to the railway,you would come to the start of the
path going of to the right, through a gloomy tunnel under the railway,
then alongside AEC.It crossed the Brentford branch, ending up at the
canal
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 11-Jul-2012
Michael, The "official" GWR colours on those AEC railbuses were 'chocolate and cream'
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 11-Jul-2012
Thanks Keith.Never travelled in one.My memories on the Staines Branch was of the "Push and Pulls."
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 12-Jul-2012
Nor did I Michael. We only ever
had push & pulls on the Greenford branch too until the diesels came
in 1958. The GWR colours were always referred to as "chocolate and
cream" until the early BR colours of the early/mid 50's which were known
as "plum & custard". but I do remember an AEC railcar being used
on the Uxbridge Vine St branch before closure.
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by Ronald Cox (Member 10259196) on 13-Jul-2012
FRED, AS MICHAEL RELATED THAT THE
START OF THE LANE IS AT THE INTERSECTION OF GREEN DRIVE AND PARK
AVENUE. FROM MEMORY - AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL THERE WAS A
TEA/COFFEE/SANDWICH KIOSK BUILT INTO THE END OF THE TUNNEL WHERE A.E.C.
WORKERS SPENT LUNCHTIME, AS THERE WAS AN ENTRANCE TO A.E.C. OPPOSITE.
THIS WAS THE WAY I WENT TO WORK AS AN A.E.C. APPRENTICE.
WHEN STILL AT SCHOOL WE LADS WOULD WALK
THIS WAY TO THE BLUE BELL WOODS. AT THE BRIDGE, OVER THE BRENTFORD
LINE, WE WOULD GO DOWN TO THE RAIL LINE AS THERE WAS A CLEAR WATER
SPRING SET IN THE BANK THERE WHERE WE WOULD GET A DRINK ON A HOT DAY.
RON ... more >>
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 13-Jul-2012
Rpn,I do not remember the kiosk. I would have trod that path before WW2 and just after
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 13-Jul-2012
I'm afraid I don't remember it
either Ron. Was this after the war? We were often going through that
dark tunnel on the way to Top Locks and our 'scrumping grounds.
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by Ronald Cox (Member 10259196) on 13-Jul-2012
I started at the AEC in 1947. I
do not remember seeing the kiosk during our trips to the woods and
scrumping ect during the war years.
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 14-Jul-2012
Thank you Michael, Ron &
Pauline for filling me in on the path. I'd say that I'd only trod the
path a few times but when Pauline mentioned Top Locks the mist cleared a
bit & I certainly remember starting the path from that end. I
didn't do any scrumping there but like all of us, I'm sure, I did scrump
when the opportunity presented itself.
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 14-Jul-2012
You're not the only one to have a
mist clearing Fred. Although I can remember going through that very
dark tunnel with the AEC at the side when we emerged, and then climbing
up all those very wide steps to go over the bridge,I just cannot
visualize anything beyond that. I know we all ended up in a farmer's
orchard after scaling a barbed wire fence, but that's it. It was as much
the excitement of the
chase, as we usually were by the farmer, than the scrumping of the
apples. Mind you, when one of the boys told me the farmer had a shotgun
it frightened the life out of me! I don't think I went back there after
that. Happy days. ... more >>
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 14-Jul-2012
I have just been reflecing on our
collective memories of that same turf we trod, and here we are
reviving old memories some 65+ years later.
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 14-Jul-2012
For me it was only about 50 years
ago as I'm only 62. I didn't think I'd ever be able to use the word
"only" in conjunction with my age ever again, thank you Michael!
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 15-Jul-2012
Actually just having had a birthday 6 weeks ago I'm 63.
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 15-Jul-2012
I am 83(84 in September)-a sobering thought!
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 15-Jul-2012
Fred Micheal im 70 next time
i to trod the same turf who remembers watching locos on the
turntable & A.E.Cs own shunter nr. the footbridge
anyone know what happend to it
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Jul-2012
HAPPY BIRTHDAY AS IT COMES TO YOU
LADS.in google southall rail centre gwr preservation group..has
loads..says they restored the unique aec deisal shunter of aec 1939
built..sheds.was southall rail museum..but google has their photos
etc..annual meetings.displays..ealing library ..or office..opposite
firestation ealing..or walthamstow meeting..2011 each year on
google...did paris this week..first time
eurostar and tunnel.so not able fete.norwood green...gt 200 mph.2 hrs
london paris..12 mins in england along m2 kent route..tunnel 20
mins.hour belgium border down france paris..gt huge massive eifel tower
photos took up under it..seine.arc triumph.cathedrals.4am to home by 11
pm....open top bus tour commentary or day metro ticket..easy day.....80
group was part of...st swithern today no rain or rain 40 days.he helped
woman dropped eggs made whole again.swithern means strong..ha..gazette
local 1930aerial photos today..on our photoboards etc etc ... more >>
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 15-Jul-2012
Thanks Yvonne nice holiday good for you & Tony
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 15-Jul-2012
Was there a turntable INSIDE the AEC factory??
Didn't know that. Did the GWR shed at Southall have a turntable as
well? Apparantly it was the last BR steam shed in the London area
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Jul-2012
OK...150 TO 180 MPH SAYS TONY
EURO STAR..GT ST PANCRAS NEW REFURBISH STATION....THEN CROOSRAIL WEST TO
EAST..THROUGH SOUTHALL..TO BE...THEN...M40 ROUTE.UP TO BIRMINGHAM ETC
HIGH SPEED BY2015 THEY WANT ..MIDDLESEX.CHILTERNS ETC..RAIL..THEN 2020
HIGH SPEED MANCHESTER ETC..LOADS MONEY THEY OPE FOR....DID HAYES END..MY
FAMILY TREE 41 ANGEL LANE VICTORIAN TERRACE STILL THERE..ANGEL PUB
ROCQUE MAP 1754..ANGEL
STILL THERE OPEN .UXBRIDGE RD...ADAM EVE OPEN ..THERE BY CROWN
..OPEN...BINGO AT HAYES UXBRIDGE RD.SAVOY ESSELDO CINEMA..GRAPES PUB
STILL BEEFEATER RESTAURANT.INDUSTRY YEADING LANE BOARDED CLOSED...WAS
1800 BRICKMAKERS AG LABOURERS PUB.FIELD ACROSS TO CANAL..MR MEADS OF
SOUTHALL BOOK FAMILY CAME FROM..DENIS AND MY CROWD CAME FROM.LADY OF
HAUNTED NEAR COTTAGE CAME FROM..MINE WERE GREENFORD YEADING BOTWELL THEN
CRANFORD LANE.MOVING FOR WORK.WHITE HART YEADIG STILL OPEN...LOTS LOCAL
PHOTOS YRS GONE BY BOARD 52 AND AEC .BRIDGE PATH ETC..2 WEEKS BEFORE
FRED.MYSELF HUBBY FEW MONTHS AFTER WE WERE HILLINGD HOSP.AFTER DADS BACK
ITALY WAR.1960S BAT ON WOLF WALL ON OUR PHOTOS.AND ALSO PEOPLE ON
TERRACE SOUTHALL FOOTBALL TERRACES SEE IF YOU KNOW..1950/1960ISH ... more >>
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 15-Jul-2012
Yes Keith there was a turntable at the back of Southall engine shed on the A.E.C side
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 15-Jul-2012
Does anyone remember the code for Southall shed
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 15-Jul-2012
81C
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 15-Jul-2012
81A Old Oak Common
81B Slough
81C Southall
I don't remember any more
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 15-Jul-2012
Thats it Old Oak Common being 81A
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 15-Jul-2012
Thats not bad Keith after all these years
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 15-Jul-2012
If i remember right didnt
the G.W.R run 2 gas turbine engines No 1000 & 1001 thro
Southall in the mid 50s
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 15-Jul-2012
I think they were 18000 & 18100
I used to train spot from Jacobs Ladder, which goes across the tracks on
the Hanwell side of West Ealing station where the Greenford line splits
off.
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 15-Jul-2012
As to the AEC turntable, each
Christmas in the staff canteen the AEC would hold a party for the
children of the workers & Santa would distribute presents & one
year amongst all sorts of other stuff they gave us a jigsaw puzzle of
the AEC turntable with a train on it, marvelous. I was very sorry when
Dad went to work for the SEB they didn't have Christmas parties!
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 15-Jul-2012
NICE XMAS TREES AS WELL
OUTSIDE...WINDMILL LANE AEC..several good aec sites google..society
etc......old staff children of old staff..photos etc
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 16-Jul-2012
Denis, I have found a list: The first 3 were right and here are the others in what they called "London Area"
81D Reading (W)
81E Didcot
81F Oxford
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 17-Jul-2012
Thank Keith takes me back
to the mid 50s loco spotting trips to Paddington for 1/1d
return from Southall happy days
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 17-Jul-2012
We where pulled mostly by prairie tanks if i remember
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 17-Jul-2012
Yes,of the61xx class. Which we knew colloquially as "tunner one'ers"
Can you remember any numbers for the Greenford branch pannier tanks?
Also am l right that the 2 x branches from WestDrayton, (Uxb &
Staines)were worked from Slough shed and not from Southall??
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 17-Jul-2012
Yes Keith Tunner one ers
61x, sorry not sure about branch lines only whent to Windsor
odd times mostly Paddington
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by Bob Burnard (Member 10252769) on 17-Jul-2012
Dont you mean Tanner one-ers meaning starting with 61
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 17-Jul-2012
Sorry apelling mistake Keith
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 17-Jul-2012
Yes Bob. After nationalisation,
the GWR kept their 4 digit numbers because they had brass numbers on
the cab sides that would have been too expensive to alter, so they kept
their "61" series numbers throughout their careers even after
nationalisation. The other rail companies only ever had numbers that
were painted on, so it was the other regions that were required to alter
theirs after nationalisation in 1948.
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 17-Jul-2012
Denis, you are right. But
although it derived from "Tanner" because their numbers started with a 6
as in 6d, I always remember it being pronounced as "tunner" to rhyme
with "one'er"
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 17-Jul-2012
I'm really enjoying all this railway talk, very Roy Cropperish.
Railway carriages & old Victorian waiting rooms with gas lamps (as Southall had) had a great romance about them.
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 17-Jul-2012
WHO is "Roy Cropper"????
And its not 'railway talk', it's very serious stuff! As a spotter, I'd
got ALL the 61xx class except ONE. And that one had been transferred
from Southall shed to Kidderminster shed (85D). My parents refused to
take me to Kidderminster so that I could 'cop' that one, and I've never
forgotten it. . > > > I now live in a house numbered "10A".
That was the shed code for "Springs Branch, Wigan". I'm waiting for a 10A shed code plate to come up on ebay so I can screw it to my gate. ... more >>
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 18-Jul-2012
Roy Cropper is a character in Corrie who is very much a train enthusiast. I thought calling it railway talk was ok.
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 18-Jul-2012
"Corrie"?? Is it a T V programme?
There are railways and there was the GWR. The GWR was more than a
railway. The GWR was the epitome of railways, and many people said
that GWR stood for "God's Wonderful Railway". The GWR was superior to
ordinary railways, the GWR was 'special' and not to be confused with
"railways" per se. Now, Southall shed is no more and the whole GWR
system has been brought
down to the level of the lowest common denominator (Southern).
Southall people and all other employees were proud to work for the GWR.
That sense of pride has gone a long time ago. The consequential loss
of standards is apparent everywhere, - just look around you! We
shall never see a company like the GWR again. It was like a family.
Some kids only collected Western numbers as engines of rival companies
were not important! ... more >>
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 18-Jul-2012
As we did Keith
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 18-Jul-2012
The GWR introduced Automatic
Train Control(ATC) in 1906, wherby a train was stopped if it passed a
red light.If this or equivalent systems had been installed on other
lines,the Harrow and Wealdstone(1952) could have been avoided.
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 18-Jul-2012
.........and am l correct in
thinking that the Southall - Brentford branch was the line where this
ATC was first tested and/or first used?? Did AEC have a part in the
development of this??
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 18-Jul-2012
I remember the 1952 smash at Weldstone i think its the bigest rail crash in the uk wasent it
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 18-Jul-2012
No,I'm afraid Quintinshill 1915 was bigger
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 18-Jul-2012
No,I'm afraid Quintinshill 1915 was bigger
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 18-Jul-2012
A good account of railway accidents is in "Red for Danger" by LTC Rolt
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 18-Jul-2012
@ Fred
Sorry. I am probably the only person in Britain who never watches
television, didn't know that Coronation Street was still running, or
know who Roy Cropper is/was. I have now been 'enlightened'. Whereas
most people say "You should get out more", perhaps to me they would say
"you should stay in more" And I didn't know it was called "Corrie".
Always learning new stuff!!
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 19-Jul-2012
Yes Keith that's the one, though your first guess 'Is it a TV programme?" was spot on.
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by jean edward (Member 10247075) on 22-Jul-2012
I remember there being a line to Brentford when I was a small child and my grandad worked for GWR.
By the way Yvonne, you mention Charlie Hayes being president of the
working man's club(in Featherstone Rd) I think that must have been my
uncle charlie, my mums brother. His wife Betty vanished in the 1950's,
do you know if she was ever found? Ive lost touch with that arm of my
family.
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Jul-2012
thats interesting JEAN...will
look up my reading of charlie hayes......put it here..soon as
can..thankyou......lovely here from you..we are just getting our lovely
summer now..my australian.friend melbourne.has gone into autumn...her
gdad went out 1830..early times..inhereted money and went for
adventure.to sydney....your photo on 2 boards of photostream flickr.has
done marvellous.north rd school.your
school.so rare photo..board 5 with photos of len when he was kid age 16
ish..when he was in navy war and more recent nice photo...so good to
hear your lovely comment of him..3/4 of you from australia in his
passing.comments..by today..the.list and the rest of us in list from
uk.....olympic flame goes past top lens rd tues.....then lady marg
rd..uxbridge rd town hall southall hanwell to ealing broadway by
evening..best wishes to you my dear....continued kind wishes to lens
family.from us ... more >>
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 22-Jul-2012
JEAN...WHAT WAS GDAD NAME GWR,,IN
GOOGLE TYPE FRANCIS FRITH PHOTOS MEMORIES...NICE LADY THERE MUST BE
RELATED TO YOU......OUR PHOTOS WORKING MANS CLUB ON BOARDS
50/51/52..FLICKR.......ADDED INFO PRESIDENT FOR MANY YRS 40S 50S CHARLIE
HAYES..DAUGHTER SHEIla HAYNES was maiden name hayes..ON FRITH.CHATS
LOVELY OF SOUTHALL GREEN..DAD DIED 1980S..MUMS RAN OFF BOOKIE OR
SERVICES MAN..SHEILA TRIED BIRKENHEAD
MUM FAMILY TO TRACE BUT NO LUCK..SHEILA BROTHER STILL LIVES
HAYES.....SHEILA LIVES JERSEY....of 22 CLIFTON RD.AGE 13 SHE WAS WHEN
MUM WENT CLIFTON RD HEAD WAS CONSTABLE SHE WENT GRAMMAR...SISTER WENT TO
WESTERN RD..YOU CAN SEND PRIVATE EMAIL TO HER THEM ON FRITH
SITE.........RAYNER SHOP ..CLIFTON RD..THE CHIPPIE..BROKEN
BISCUITS..1953 QUEEN PARTY..THERE .SHEILA DRESSED IN RED WHITE
BLUE...GREAT IF SHEILA WOULD SHARE MEMORIES PHOTOS ON OUR SITE...WE HAVE
WHITE SWAN...THE HUGE CORNER OF THE BANK..1950s PHOTOS LORRY BIKES DOWN
KING ST.WESTERN RD...PHOTOS SOUTHALL GREEN 1940s50s ETC...SCHOOL
PHOTOS...ETC ETC LOADS PHOTOS ON OUR FLICKR PHOTOSTREAM..52
BOARDS..NEARLY 3YRS NOW.........broadway high st..all
yrs..etc...nearby..places also.... ... more >>
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 23-Jul-2012
Charlie Hayes must have known
my G/dad George Wyatt who was the accountant at the working
mans club in the 40/50s
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 23-Jul-2012
yes...frith site....daughter
..says he was..president for many yrs...she lives jersey
now......1912..google says work mans club started featherstone
terrace.road...1900..postcard..has it ..corner chesnuts of southall
hospital..1930s they gave the big house to the hospital..opened 1935
from..million.pennies collected..by southall folk..1900s work men
club.1905ish opened..bought it from..a builder who.owned
had the chesnuts built ..because huge horsechesnut tree.there..just got
death cert of my nans gt granddad.wngrove.southall green 1806 born died
there age 52 1858..colon cancer..was farm labourer there all
life..featherstone farm..and top locks had orchards..and wheat used at
norwood bridge flour mill.......his wife born 1803 southall greeen paine
family.....only 33 people lived there vicar book says 1800..but new
canal brought in lots labourers old dwellings built and work started to
grow...new town...worse dense when new rail 1838 ish.factories start ... more >>
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 23-Jul-2012
I think some of the orchards were still at Top locks in the 50s
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 23-Jul-2012
I think you are right about the
orchards. The last ones around Hounslow/Hanworth/Hampton were grubbed
out around 1960. Prime building land of course!!
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 23-Jul-2012
I remember one orchard in the Top locks Norwood green area whent in it about 1956
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 23-Jul-2012
I think Brentford market closed
around the same time - there was no local agriculture left to supply it.
There was an interesting history of this written somewhere . A
tremendous amount of agricultural produce was handled at Brentford and
it had its own railway sidings. But not from the GWR Southall line but
from the Southern as the market was really much nearer to Kew than
Brentford. But up until about 1880, the whole of W Middlesex was London's food source. ... more >>
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 24-Jul-2012
Further research indicates that
much of the agricultural produce from Southall/Norwood/Heston area etc
did indeed go to Brentford Market, even though the market was
technically nearer to Kew.
However, the GWR line was not used in this venture, only the Southern (LSWR) who provided rail access.
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by jean edward (Member 10247075) on 27-Jul-2012
Thank you much for mentioning
Charlie Hayes Yvonne, I followed up the Frith Link and found my cousin
Sheila Hayes, who I havn't been in touch with since early 50's and we
have been emailing nearly every day since. We are both so excited to
have found each other again and I have been able to fill her in about
things in the family she had no idea about. Even sent her a photo of my
sister(deceased) and me
that she was thrilled with.
My uncle Charlie started going to the working mans club since the late
30's when he was just a lad, and went back after serving in the RAF and
spent most of his time there-much to his wife's disgust!! Thanks again
Yvonne. Jean edwards
... more >>
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by jean edward (Member 10247075) on 27-Jul-2012
Yvonne,
My Grandad's name was James Hayes, called Jim. He was with the GWR
since he left school.The names James is still going thru our family,
there is a Jim here in Australia!!
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Jul-2012
HOW WONDERFUL ..BEST WISHES TO
ALL OF YOU TELL...SHEILA..JEAN THIS IS THE BEST OF THESE SIGHTS...WHEN
HUGE..ADVANCE LIKE THIS....THRILLED TO BITS FOR YOU....BROTHER STILL
LIVES HAYES...JUST HAD HAYES CARNIVAL BIG ANNUAL EVENT.........MY INLAW
TO FAMILY..HAD SOUTHALL STATION RAIL WORKER...CAME HOME FROM 2ND WAR
1944...BACK TO WORK...BUT KILLED BETWEEN BUFFERS RAIL SOUTHALL DAVID
WILLANS..BURIED..HORTUS
WAR MEMORIAL STONE GRAVE SOUTHALL..RAIL..KILLED MANY WORKERS OVER ALL
THE DECADES..DANGEROUS.....GREAT TO READ YOU STORY JEAN...KEEP IT
COMING...SINCERE GOOD WISHES TO YOU ALL LOTS..LOVE YVONNE TONY...YOUR
SYDNEY GT OLYMPICS OURS LONDON TV IS GREAT.. ... more >>
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Jul-2012
my dad jim.all life never called
james....all family and geneology branches named after family...dad
james after his dads brother......nan named her son john..after her
brother..he named after uncle john...back to grandad john..back to gt
grandad john...born southall green 1806.......my crowd...southall
northhyde..heston.norwood green.all through 1800s 1900s.....nan lost her
dear son john.acres wingrove..1936
compensation payed for grave.from rotten tube factory gordon
rd...southall..off adelaide towards canal...fumes..lungs
pneumonia......my cousin charles.born 1950 keeps..name going..from all
our grandparents going back 1837..sydney my cousin since 1957..my gt
friend melbourne her family went oz 1830 ... more >>
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 27-Jul-2012
Yes, I still remember all the
flags that were put out in Northcote Avenue when David Willans returned
home from the war. Everyone was so upset when he died after being
crushed by rail buffers. Life is very cruel sometimes.
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 27-Jul-2012
thats nice flags on return...good
road yours was.....emma his dad george would been thrilled...george
died..by 1950s..emma was widow...for about15 yrs.....grandaughter who
lived there still lives partner bankside southall......rail so
dangerous...many accidents...but never know what frame mind he was
in..dont know where what part war he was....have heard of some...deep
inside cant cope for a while
after return...hope he was ok..dont know...we were told of it 50s..west
ave....they spoke of his death...........excellent war
commission..grave stone southall.for david..grandson born 1947 called
david.lived at no144.of 3 siblings......this spring war commission put
plaque on gate to say...several scores of graves there..photo gate
plaque etc our boards....119 at heston church..... ... more >>
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 30-Jul-2012
Noticed the old garage at
the top Lady Marg. Rd (Elbornes in the 50s) now Tescos mini
market, also talking of the A.E,C canteen we would go in and
have a game of snooker and some times of an evening
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 30-Jul-2012
Denis,
Your mentions of AEC reminds me that one of our next dooe
neighbours worked there-My Victor Pannell.They had a son Richard, who
was two years younger than me.He went to the PNEU school near Holy
Trinity Church.
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by Bob Burnard (Member 10252769) on 30-Jul-2012
How old was your nans son when he died. from the fumes in the H G Sanders (The Tube)
- Re: GWR line from Southall to Brentford
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Aug-2012
BOB.......my nans son..my dads
dear near brother...was 19...so keen to be at work...to help his mum
out..she had 7 babies brought up 3 sons 3 daughters...he would have gone
tube from dormers school...bike over bridge......bet he did
overtime.....1936 died age 19...hillingdon hospital drained.//many pints
fluid off hime when family went down dark..royal lane from uxbridge rd
bus after work evening....bachelor..shy
quiet son tall slim bit mum boy...she kept large photo chrome frame
living.. room by window and front door west ave,,where all 3
coffins..layed family cups tea as was custom..nan gdad and 19 yr old
son//1928 to 1961 we were west ave....on google..1970 man went to check
there he put his report on google how stayed open..workers there so many
yrs bad fumes..he never know..report he has put on google.how bad place
was 6 mths he was there.in 1970s.....our site here..josie only worked
there day ..left....my cousins mum worked there..day.1930s.came
home..yellow mum saw problem with her as came indoor she never went
back....doctor hillingdon hosp...so tube had to pay compensation 1936 19
yr old ..it payed for bit black..funeral and very nice stone
grave...verses...cup etc...havelock.....they all missed him for
ever....he was just working probably all hours to help his mum...1911
married she brought them all up in poverty..hard times low wage.as most
were..he and his siblings..thought the world of her..and went to work
from school to help her out for once...they all worked piece work
overtime as most did...30s 40s....in all conditions.....1880 s years
etc..that firm..to 1980 approx me thinks........I worked for macleans
toothpaste...beechams gt west rd 1970s so know the ali tubes made...my
nan family shy..of those days...I myself would wring their necks...get
all.to very top...everywhere onto them....loss of precious life...Myself
and family today 2012..would...get results..never forgive them... ... more >>
|
|
PLAYGROUND AREA SOUTHALL PARK EARLY 1950's
|
by Chris (Member 10220786) on 12-Jun-2012
|
Who remembers the playground area (near the ladies toilets) in Southall
Park? the WITCHES HAT roundabout; the see-saw, the HORSE, slide and
the swings. I spent hours there with my dear friend Joyce from
Shrubbery Road. Just along from the playground area was the Victorian
Water fountain. On occasions we also used to 'try' to play tennis on
the courts at 3d a session! That was when we had enou gh money between us! Happy days! Chris x x ... more >>
- Re: PLAYGROUND AREA SOUTHALL PARK EARLY 1950's
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 12-Jun-2012
Although my memories were a
little earlier Chris, I do remember the playground. We were all over
there one day with my parents at some large gathering or other, and my
brother Bob was on the roundabout going very fast with some other boys.
Unfortunately, he came off with a bang and hit his head on the concrete
ground. My father picked him up and csrried him over to a St. John's
Ambulance tent which was
further over in the park as he was concussed. My poor mother was so
worried, as they kept him in the tent for a long while. As for the water
fountain for drinking, did it have a large iron cup on a chain? I also
remember a little wooden shelter with seats in as you entered the park
by the Red Lion entrance. Was it still there when you played in the
park? ... more >>
- Re: PLAYGROUND AREA SOUTHALL PARK EARLY 1950's
by Chris (Member 10220786) on 12-Jun-2012
Oh yes, I remember the wooden
shelter now! You've brought back a picture of it in my minds eye. I
think it was painted cream & green. Yes, you are right, the
fountain did have a cup on a chain! The fountain was not far from the
entrance to the Rose Garden. I seem to remember a stage structure in
the Rose Garden too. Also remember the band-stand which was not far from
the wooden shelter. Chris x
- Re: PLAYGROUND AREA SOUTHALL PARK EARLY 1950's
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 12-Jun-2012
Yes, I remember the bandstand,
although I only saw the band playing about twice. I know they all wore a
uniform with hats, and I think it was held on a Sunday. If I remember
rightly, I think there used to be several rows of seats for the adults
to sit on. It wasn't our usual park, as we were up the other end of the
globe!
- Re: PLAYGROUND AREA SOUTHALL PARK EARLY 1950's
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 12-Jun-2012
Yes Chirs you are right there was a stage in the rose garden i think it was removed in the early 60s
- Re: PLAYGROUND AREA SOUTHALL PARK EARLY 1950's
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 12-Jun-2012
I believe it was somewhere in
that area where a V1 bomb fell in 1944-I remember it because it brought
the celing down in my bedroom in North Road. I was downstairs in the
Morrison Shelter.
- Re: PLAYGROUND AREA SOUTHALL PARK EARLY 1950's
by Phyl Hutnell (Member 10234816) on 13-Jun-2012
We spent many happy hours in the
playground and the rest of Southall Park. The Rose Garden was somewhere
we peeked in, but never allowed to play there. The Witches Hat and all
the other stuff that would be banned by 'elf and safety nowadays! I
remember a lady coming to the playground one day (must have been after
the war)asking us to taste various varieties of Mars Bars, all cut into
tiny pieces, and say
what we thought of them. My mother was very cross with me when I told
her. "Never take sweets from strangers"!! The bomb did fall in the park,
and it brought down the ceilings and blew in the windows of our house
in Shrubbery Road. Everyone took it in their stride then, and I can't
recall anyone making a fuss or moaning about it. The workmen came and
put a kind of plasticky stuff over the windows. They gave us kids the
offcuts and we made purses from it. ... more >>
- Re: PLAYGROUND AREA SOUTHALL PARK EARLY 1950's
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 13-Jun-2012
I well remember that night Phyl
when the bomb dropped in Southall Park. It was 3rd July 1944 (just
checked in "Ealing, Acton & Southall at War"). My dad was just
getting ready to do his night shift at AEC when our child minder arrived
and said she coudn't look after us that night for some reason or other.
I was on my own with my younger brother in the shelter. My mum was
convalescing and the other
three children were evacuated. When the bomb dropped,all the earth in
the garden at the back of us in West road flew several feet in the air
and the two ducks we kept were making one hell of a row.We got out of
the shelter and it was such a bright night, almost like daytime. A good
night for bombing! I will never forget it. I was just coming up to 13
and my brother was 11. I didn't think about it at the time but I bet my
dad was so worried about us, but that was war! ... more >>
- Re: PLAYGROUND AREA SOUTHALL PARK EARLY 1950's
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-Jun-2012
THANKYOU SUCH GOOD DESCRIPTION AS
ALWAYS..SCARY....PROBABLY THE BOMB WAS WANTING AEC..WAR WORK
THERE...TODAY SUCH TECHNOLOGY PRECISION.BOMBING.......BUT EVEN WITH OUR
PHOTOBOARD OF THE AEC IN GERMAN WRITING.german .MAP.aerial photos..OF
WHERE aec WAS ....but BOMB BAY NAZI HAD TO JUST HOPE .couple bombs went
on asylum...GREENFORD ALSO ETC...BOMBS FALLING..OFF THE
MARK......factories..they tried for
and northolt airport.....heston airport.my gt aunt hubby at heston age
60 on bike going to work was direct hit by buzz bomb..grave of 3 heston
church but just says 1944 for him..no..body...to bury..heston airport
.fell way off the mark...he and brother were at somme ..survived that.. ... more >>
- Re: PLAYGROUND AREA SOUTHALL PARK EARLY 1950's
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 13-Jun-2012
Thinking about that night in
1944, we were already out of the shelter, as I remember we were watching
a dogfight going on in the sky overhead, and that's how we saw all the
earth flying up in next door's garden at the bottom of West Avenue when
the bomb dropped.
- Re: PLAYGROUND AREA SOUTHALL PARK EARLY 1950's
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 13-Jun-2012
Mum,Dad, and I were in the
Morrison shelter when the V1 dropped. Mum rushed upstairs, came down
again and woke my father and said "The celings down in Michael's
bedromm." He said" can't do anything tonight", and promptly went to
sleep again! Mum was not amused, and nagged him for days!
- Re: PLAYGROUND AREA SOUTHALL PARK EARLY 1950's
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-Jun-2012
my cousin born 1936 march..so he
was..8 at 1944 night in shelter garden...west ave..with all the
adults..but gdad built shelter but never went down it refused .had his
own bed but insisted they all went down to spiders etc..across the
road..cousins 9 and 7 yrs old were down shelter.. their dad italy north
africa army away at war..but due back 1944 wounded......women doing
munitions piece work shift..made
better wages than tough times when little money coming in....my aunt
went round roads west ave..looking black out black
curtains..lights..strict her duty..chickens wire coop..across whole of
bottom our long narrow garden..rooster next door at cornells... ... more >>
- Re: PLAYGROUND AREA SOUTHALL PARK EARLY 1950's
by sheila iddenden (Member 10235498) on 13-Jun-2012
Fancy you remembering about the
Mars bars Phyllis. I got into trouble as well for accepting them. We
must have been together .We did spend alot of time in the park.
I also remember the night the bomb fell in the park ,My gran and I were
in the middle room downstairs. we ended up cover in soot and as phyllis
says all the front windows were blown out in Shrubbery road, there were
bits of brick etc on
the dressing table but not one thing broken. Pauline you mentioned a
Joyce from Shrubbery road would that have been Joyce White ? ... more >>
- Re: PLAYGROUND AREA SOUTHALL PARK EARLY 1950's
by Chris (Member 10220786) on 13-Jun-2012
It was me who mentioned my dear
friend Joyce from Shrubbery Road; yes Joyce White. I am still in touch
with Joyce. We were 'friends' before we were born! Our Mum's were
pregnant at the same time. Joyce is just a few months older than me.
We were in the same class throughout school - Infants, Juniors &
Senior. Joyce even introduced me to my husband....we have been married
48 years! I used to play
in Shrubbery road with the Shankster family, Carole & Gwen Cripps,
the Perk family and many other whose names escape me at present. Not
many cars about then - we played in the road itself! Chris x x ... more >>
- Re: PLAYGROUND AREA SOUTHALL PARK EARLY 1950's
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 13-Jun-2012
no cars west ave either 1950s
etc....all bikes...they used to slog it over southall station
bridge..rush hour...so many going to old southall green factories
jobs...lots bikes....no cars so uxbridge road buses were..so well used
by everybody to west ealing ealing broadway and shepherds bush....so we
played hop scotch pavement......dash across road..down to spikes bridge
park.to swings etc..never saw
a car....day out seaside was coach trip...until later gradually,,,a
car...might ..start...but scooter was 1st that dad had and cousin had
motorbike and side car.... ... more >>
- Re: PLAYGROUND AREA SOUTHALL PARK EARLY 1950's
by Phyl Hutnell (Member 10234816) on 14-Jun-2012
Chris, we must all have played
together in Shrubbery Rd. Sheila and myself were "best friends". We
remember the Shanksters, Perks family, and how about Audrey King, Alan
Selvidge, Brian Jones, Michael Rose, all the Lorna Bonomy, O'Sullivans,
and more.... We had happy days despite the war. After all, that was
normal life to us, as most of us had never known anything different.
- Re: PLAYGROUND AREA SOUTHALL PARK EARLY 1950's
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 14-Jun-2012
My piano teacher lived in Shrubbery Road(Miss Feys). Didn't Mavis Cripps live in Shrubbery Road?
- Re: PLAYGROUND AREA SOUTHALL PARK EARLY 1950's
by sheila iddenden (Member 10235498) on 14-Jun-2012
Yes Mavis cripps lived in
Shrubbery rd just along by phyllis, she was a little older that us.We
also used to play with the children that lived in north road , sheila
rose joyce kimmins and one or two boys one was freddie lovelock. it nice
to hear that you are still in touch with Joyce,
- Re: PLAYGROUND AREA SOUTHALL PARK EARLY 1950's
by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 14-Jun-2012
I wonder if the Mavis Cripps you
talk about here is my Aunty Mavis (May) Cripps who married my Uncle
Shamus Gough and they lived in Williams Rd off Regina Rd. She had
brother Stan, if that's any help.
- Re: PLAYGROUND AREA SOUTHALL PARK EARLY 1950's
by Phyl Hutnell (Member 10234816) on 15-Jun-2012
Yes, Fred, that's the same lady.
There was a brother called Stan, who I think married a German girl after
the war, which caused a lot of "teeth sucking" at the time. I recall
she was a very nice girl and I know my mother always got on well with
her. The Cripps were a big family and the grandmother was Aggie.
I don't remember Miss Fey the piano teacher, as that was before my time, but I often heard my mother speak of her. ... more >>
- Re: PLAYGROUND AREA SOUTHALL PARK EARLY 1950's
by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 15-Jun-2012
Yes Aunty May died about 2 years
ago I think. She was a very jolly person though I did not spend a lot of
time with her but she certainly knew how to sort Uncle Shamus out &
they were a very happy couple.
- Re: PLAYGROUND AREA SOUTHALL PARK EARLY 1950's
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 15-Jun-2012
Fred-so sorry to hear of the
passing of Mavis.I can still see her in my minds eye-we would have
been~16.(I will be 84 in September)
- Re: PLAYGROUND AREA SOUTHALL PARK EARLY 1950's
by sheila iddenden (Member 10235498) on 15-Jun-2012
Iwas sorry to hear that Mavis had passed away, but we tend to forget that we are all getting pass our sell by date,
- Re: PLAYGROUND AREA SOUTHALL PARK EARLY 1950's
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 16-Jun-2012
Oh, we don't Sheila, we just hope for the best and keep taking the tablets ho ho!!
- Re: PLAYGROUND AREA SOUTHALL PARK EARLY 1950's
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 18-Jun-2012
NICE PHOTOS SOUTHALL
GRAMMAR...IN.GOOGLE....THOUGHT OF THE 50TH BIRTHDAY ..ONE BELOW
HERE......in google.........but.then will also be on friends
reunited.....google type southall grammar school
pics,,,,,...........1952 intake..harman....COULD BE RELATIVE OF MY VAL
HARMAN BORN 1949 LIVED BY SOMERSET RD ..I THINK.......lots pupils there
cakebread,,,,,not notice 1970s pupils...there..but contact these
past students they may know if they ...or school office know where
photos may be....lots football ones there.....,,,,,,reunions...2003
2008...etc.... ... more >>
- Re: PLAYGROUND AREA SOUTHALL PARK EARLY 1950's
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 22-Jun-2012
Phyl Hutnell- what was your maiden name-hope you don't mind me asking.
- Re: PLAYGROUND AREA SOUTHALL PARK EARLY 1950's
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 25-Jun-2012
SHE MAY NOT NOTICE..WHEN CHATTED
TO HER.LOTS HER JOB CHURCH.BUSY..SCARBROW..SHE HAS MENTIONED FEW TIMES
HERE..HER GDAD MY GDAD NEIGHBOURS NORWOOD GREEN 1914 YEARS....TODAY
TIMES..TORCH...HAYES,CRANE PUB NORTHHYDE RD.1.43 PM..UXBRIDGE HIGH
ST.CARNIVAL FLOATS.......THEN TO UXBRIDGE LIDO.NEARBY...BE THERE
4PM.,,,..THEN NEXT. DENHAM..WESTERN AVE..NORTHOLA PK..LADY MARG..EVENING
PARTY ARRIVES WALPOLE PK
EALING BROADWAY......SO ALL LATER THAN..THOUGHT.......IN GOOGLE..UNDER
BOROUGH HILLINGDON...EALING.....67 DAY OF RELAY...TUES 24 JULY... ... more >>
- Re: PLAYGROUND AREA SOUTHALL PARK EARLY 1950's
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 26-Jun-2012
Thats good news be later, try to get pics between Ascot & Somerset.
- Re: PLAYGROUND AREA SOUTHALL PARK EARLY 1950's
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 26-Jun-2012
My eye has just caught the name
Scarbrow in Yvonne's entry. There was a Doris Scarbrow in my class at
North Road. Some time back I did have some correspondence with some
members of the family-can't remember who,but there was no news of Doris
- Re: PLAYGROUND AREA SOUTHALL PARK EARLY 1950's
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Jun-2012
DENIS SAYS ..5 PM..NORTHALA
PK.goes afterwards lady marg.bbc.london 2012..MIKE..SO PLEASED..THOUGHT
YOU KNEW...YES WHEN PHYLIS GETS CHANCE SHE WILL SEE..NORTH AVE.SHRUBBERY
ETC..COUSINS AND HER BROTHER..ETC......LOTS LUCKY PHOTOS FOUND
SOUTHALLBOARD51@YAHOO.CO.UK..FASCINATING TO SEE..TOWN HALL HIGH ST
BROADWAY..KING ST THROUGH DECADES.rare photos.......white swan.nice one
for fred....child pool southall
park..palace cinema.years...interiors...barracks st mary orphans.at
canal....plough..bar north rd.woodengraving of manor house...211 bus 98
bus vintage whole day run to ruislip lido.24 june and everyyear.old
green line bus.hobby of owners. ... more >>
- Re: PLAYGROUND AREA SOUTHALL PARK EARLY 1950's
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 26-Jun-2012
I think Scarbow was a local name to west Middlesex. I've never heard of it anywhere else
- Re: PLAYGROUND AREA SOUTHALL PARK EARLY 1950's
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 26-Jun-2012
Thanks Yvonne.
- Re: PLAYGROUND AREA SOUTHALL PARK EARLY 1950's
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Jun-2012
ok denis..such coincidence.lady
marg again 1948 2012..wow..fireworks party ealing broadway
pk...evening..keith..photo .1938 hanwell broadway..belisha beacon
install..zebra crossing...sainsbury..corner.hanwell broadway..........on
flickr..southallboard51@yahoo.co.uk..with also 4 engravings of 1845
viaduct and iron bridge..1845 people under bridge gwr,steam
train,,waiting for oxford rd uxbridge rd.coaching...and
mail.stops were..done..white hart pub.redlion..southall used and old
hatt green man..hanwell west ealing...toll...turnpikes....several photos
of the bridges..riverbrent through decades.............etc etc.. ... more >>
- Re: PLAYGROUND AREA SOUTHALL PARK EARLY 1950's
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Jun-2012
bbc tv another series..living
through time..house clothes etc..tuesdays..turn back time..grif rys
jones..good series bbc tv..on computer also..lost routes..around the
country...very good...24 june...vintage bus day
greenline..owners..annual....uxb
pinner..ruislip..harrow..yeadiing.....at ruislip lido..98 ..and
211..free rides.....because today it is H13 and e7.modern buses....other
photos on display are
..north rd parade by mt pleasant....through yrs........king st.co
op..and 13 branches..in southall...........maypole.....films showing at
gaumont palace odeon....heston photos...fishing norwood bridge by the
mill...flour then frames .prince philip.local garage buses..adverts.long
ago.....western rd ..old days photos..there.... ... more >>
- Re: PLAYGROUND AREA SOUTHALL PARK EARLY 1950's
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 26-Jun-2012
keith..if of interest
YOUR.hanwell..southall west ealing..post office directory free in
google...type...historical directories.click.....arrow to
middlesex..fact file..click......then click..private
residents.....renting..places....alphabetical order surnames
names...................also section streets in alphabetical
order...............fred stephen scarbrow 8woodbine cottage.mine were
13...1914.....norwood green.....north side...corner by post office bakers..village hall.built by .rt warren 1925... ... more >>
- Re: PLAYGROUND AREA SOUTHALL PARK EARLY 1950's
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 28-Jun-2012
Olympic torch Peterborough tomorow.
- Re: PLAYGROUND AREA SOUTHALL PARK EARLY 1950's
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Jun-2012
good they are gt items tall of
flame.67 day relay...10 miles from everybody..........midday
today....live tv..82 /80/channels...82 ooo poppies lancaster over green
pk.piccadily....factory tucked under hill richomnd by bus stop from
ealing 65.....top hill star garter closed special 4 smaller places
now.....5 tornadoes fly past.....amaze well done..bronze huge
statue..portland stone..canada sent roof...24
feet long..halifax piece in roof recovered..green pk by buck palace
£9million.raf do upkeep...nearly 56000died men air ground crews..1 in 2
lost life..6 week expect live...started at the lords cricket area..st
john wood muster...19/20s yr olds....raf northolt only battle
britain.operating still going.had nato on front gate.....in middle
loads southall photo 1970s etc...site in google......GUILDHALL COLLAGE
..IMAGES..LMA.......type in southall click search 11 pages...over 100
photos...pauline denis mike.chris..high st southall your history
request..phylis easy in google.....fred.roy.everybody..mr thompson... ... more >>
- Re: PLAYGROUND AREA SOUTHALL PARK EARLY 1950's
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 28-Jun-2012
Sorry misread its next Tuesday in P/boro
- Re: PLAYGROUND AREA SOUTHALL PARK EARLY 1950's
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 28-Jun-2012
Remember Star & garter across from ice rink
- Re: PLAYGROUND AREA SOUTHALL PARK EARLY 1950's
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Jun-2012
huge up top of hill...by entrance
richmond pk.1920 queen mary..done gt job all these yrs..went in there
for couple yrs..staff gt..closed now 4 new places opened
elsewhere...they hope to make it back to hotel, again...gt famous view
bend thames painted by turner...poets...such beauty..
- Re: PLAYGROUND AREA SOUTHALL PARK EARLY 1950's
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 28-Jun-2012
Wasnt it the poppy factory
across the river from the ice rink also was it Turner who
painted a Southall windmill.
- Re: PLAYGROUND AREA SOUTHALL PARK EARLY 1950's
by Dilys Boot (Member 10061138) on 28-Jun-2012
Yes, it was JMW Turner's painting of Southall Windmill.
- Re: PLAYGROUND AREA SOUTHALL PARK EARLY 1950's
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Jun-2012
YES SEVERAL OF IT ON GOOGLE...ON
OUR PHOTOBOARD..HEARD FEW WEEKS AGO .on tv his style...HE LIVED ON
HOUSEBOAT THAMES..he loved water and the sky..born covent
garden..working class....lived houseboatBRENTFORD...SEVERAL
PAINTINGs,,.....THEN UP WINDMILL LANE 1805 THEY ARE NOT SURE....1810
THEY SAY IT IS NO LONGER ON MAPS....BY 3 BRIDGES...google has....few yrs
ago..was christie sale..bought by londoner..wealthy..but
had robbery////think it said found .but gone to private owner..christie
and nat gall could not say where...should be london or ealing for all
to see...tate gallery by thames has loads turner free to see gt day
out......... ... more >>
- Re: PLAYGROUND AREA SOUTHALL PARK EARLY 1950's
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 28-Jun-2012
dilys..denis..everybody you will
be surprised how many photos.southall etc....in
google...easy.....guildhall collage....images photos....enter
southall....loads...then..ealing ..has more southall
etc...hanwell..greenford....etc....before 1970 they must have come to
capture..times gone by before changes too much...lma..archive
london.....western rd king stregina rd..etc lady marg.dormers..high st..broadway...south
rd..greenford rd the mill....regins rd..north rd..grange..sweet
shop...cottages by odeon cinema uxb rd,,,2 troughs..2 water
pumps........gt cable car across thames use oyster.....if success they
hope try another....we saw it high looks gt...... ... more >>
- Re: PLAYGROUND AREA SOUTHALL PARK EARLY 1950's
by Phyl Hutnell (Member 10234816) on 29-Jun-2012
Hi everyone. Sorry for the delay
in replying to the question about my maiden name and the Scarbrow name.
Yes, that was my name. My Dad was one of eight, and originally came from
Norwood Green - Woodbine Cottages along N/G Road. Doris Scarbrow was my
cousin, daughter of my Uncle Charles. They lived in North Avenue, and I
knew Pat best, as she was about 18 months older than me, whereas Doris
was quite a bit older,
as were the other siblings. My Uncle Alf lived "over the other side" of
Southall, somewhere around Queens Road I think. It was a big family
scattered around Southall and beyond. All gone now, sad to say. As far
as I know the only actual "Scarbrow" left is my brother Ernie, who lives
in Sussex and was 90 a few weeks back. ... more >>
- Re: PLAYGROUND AREA SOUTHALL PARK EARLY 1950's
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Jun-2012
HAPPY birth day..to your
brother.......nice photos board52..norwood green..king st..sweet shop by
north rd school..the grange..pre 1970.....also easy in
google.........guildhallcollage........southall...heston...etc..........st
marys norwood green.old ones......vine cottage ..norwood
rd..tentlow........bulls bridge rd.all cottages...
- Re: PLAYGROUND AREA SOUTHALL PARK EARLY 1950's
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 29-Jun-2012
Thanks for Southallboard52
Yvonne. The best photo for me was the one of the Midland Bank on the
corner of Regina road and King Street Southall. It brought back all the
times we walked down Regina road to get to North Hyde Lane when we lived
there for a short time. It was quite a long walk to my mum's then when
my daughter was in a big pram and we walked from Southall station. That
was when we were allowed to have the pram in the Guard's van. All Shanks' pony in those days! ... more >>
- Re: PLAYGROUND AREA SOUTHALL PARK EARLY 1950's
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Jun-2012
yes that is a long walk from
bank..king st regina rd..and yes loads walking from the station....glad
you liked photos...denis...several on aviary on there now......sultan
brunei..place.................2 open front wet fish shops..the old holy
trinity hall at top of lady marg...quite selection broadway high st
through the decades...west ealing...prefabs..dormers rise..numbers of
each and the parade
number..7th in front at fleming..8th..9th going..back to..millpond south
water pump house...prefabs.across 13 th to 18th by bunny pk entrance
path......kids playing half way at trees grass middle prefabs..back
gardens with sheds...1947 to 1970ish.... ... more >>
- Re: PLAYGROUND AREA SOUTHALL PARK EARLY 1950's
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 29-Jun-2012
Phyl:Thanks for the interesting resume' of the Scarbrow family. I am 83(84 in September), so guess Doris is/was about my age
- Re: PLAYGROUND AREA SOUTHALL PARK EARLY 1950's
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 29-Jun-2012
Is the famous Turner windmill
painting still in existence? If it is, does anyone know where it is
kept? Was the windmill there after the 3 bridges came into being?
- Re: PLAYGROUND AREA SOUTHALL PARK EARLY 1950's
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Jun-2012
YEAR AGO READ LOTS IN
GOOGLE.......1805 1807 PAINTING THEY ARE NOT SURE..OILS....1795
GRANDJUNCTION...CANAL..WINDMILL BRIDGE...1837/8 RAILWAY///THEN BRENTFORD
LINE........GOOGLE SAYS....CHRISTIES LONDON SOLD IT FEW YRS AGO TO
LONDON WEALTHY MAN..ROBBERY STOLEN FROM HIS PLACE...........ASKED NAT
GALLERY ASKED CHRISTIE,,,,,THEY SAID SALE......BUT TO PRIVATE BUYER
SECRET,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,SHOULD BE EALING
OR LONDON FOR ALL TO SEE....MUCH TURNER AT TATE BY RIVER GT VISITS
MARVELLOUS THERE.......FLOUR MILL.......BETWEEN WINDMILL BRIDGE AND LOCK
HANWELL...ARTISTIC LICENCE ...HIS PORTRAY.....WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE
REAL OILS...NOT LARGE...MEDIUM SIZE.....LOTS ON GOOGLE OF IT....WE HAVE
YR 1890 PHOTO THERE FISHING PEOPLE SUNDAY PICNIC AREA FIELDS.......OUR
BOARDS... ... more >>
- Re: PLAYGROUND AREA SOUTHALL PARK EARLY 1950's
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 29-Jun-2012
Thanks Yvonne
- Re: PLAYGROUND AREA SOUTHALL PARK EARLY 1950's
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 29-Jun-2012
wikipedia...has it 1810...seen
all dates...wikipedia..says usa copyright at moment........so could be
last bought by usa person.private ..if gallery they would say for visit
and enjoy....historical import...ealing librarian of 30yrs there..local
hist dept might know more..........artistic licence near of lock to
bridge .mill nearby.east side..no asylum then.....3 gt
pictures...windmill bridge winch
hay wagon 1850 on our boards.....turner.mill.not on maps by 1820...they
think earl jersey land owned..several mills about oe in osterley pk
nearby also..and greenford rd....after iorn bridge ..golf area east
side....skirt mill..or something couple different types mill..base....we
enjoyed stour.john.constable country old wood lock...mill...barge etc
..national trust preserved ..area gt visit ... more >>
- Re: PLAYGROUND AREA SOUTHALL PARK EARLY 1950's
by DENIS SEXTON (Member 10247112) on 2-Jul-2012
Just looked at Southallboard50
what a nice walk down memory lane. theres even a picture
of the 50s bus conductors ticket rack i talked of on here
sometime ago.
- Re: PLAYGROUND AREA SOUTHALL PARK EARLY 1950's
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Jul-2012
glad you got it..yes couple of
old bus ticket...conductors...and.board51 and 52...lots memory
lane...half dozen of aviary etc..111 lady marg built 1929......so
gradual.wait for longest road in southall....
- Re: PLAYGROUND AREA SOUTHALL PARK EARLY 1950's
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 2-Jul-2012
My dad was a bus
conductor,retiring in 1954. For some years he was on the 120.Pre-war he
was on the 17 which then went from Southall to(I think) London Bridge.
In his last years he was on the single decker which went from Ealing
Broadway to Greenford and Ruslip(Lido during summer months.)
- Re: PLAYGROUND AREA SOUTHALL PARK EARLY 1950's
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 2-Jul-2012
thats nice the 120.....now
northolt tube station...lady marg rd to heston hounslow..still small bus
eal broad greenford to ruislip..sundays lido,,....not boating swim lido
now..more bird sanctuary ,swans coots mallards egyptian geese
..gulls..swifts house martin..get soft soil swoop insects..wood lands
train.hoots away...rare bread cattle.horns..in field......but cormorant
heron at canal.fast flow
river area..fish........number 17.1954..still lots bikes then we did
not see much cars...we went red rover 1950s from southall to london
bridge area..got off at billingsgate fish market smell wet area...by
thames......get on off buses...cheap day out...number 15 goes along to
tower london......loads open top tour buses now tourism like paris
etc........ ... more >>
- Re: PLAYGROUND AREA SOUTHALL PARK EARLY 1950's
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 3-Jul-2012
Michael, it was the 17 that ran
from Southall Garage to London Bridge in pre-war days. It was cut back
to save petrol in the war as it duplicated the trolleybus route (6O7)
as far as Shep Bush. Then the single deck route from Greenford to
Ruislip was the 211 and stayed until 1968. It was called the "old
man's route" because those conductors had an easier life not having to
climb stairs all day.
Many of them retired in 1964 when the single deckers were replaced by
ordinary double deckers, and they felt "they weren't going to run up and
down stairs again at their age"
... more >>
- Re: PLAYGROUND AREA SOUTHALL PARK EARLY 1950's
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 4-Jul-2012
My dad was on the 120's during
the early years of WW2. He was on early turn the morning after the bomb
fell on Barrat's shoe shop. Evidently there were shoes scattered all
over South Road. It was only later that he learned of the tragic deaths
of the Purcell sisters.
Later in the war, he was on the 55's. One
night the bus was coming through Acton late at night.They were
just passing a road, when a bomb fell there. A piece of masonry came
down on, and went through roof of the bus.Mercifully There were no
passengers aboard-dad and his driver were uninjured. ... more >>
- Re: PLAYGROUND AREA SOUTHALL PARK EARLY 1950's
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 4-Jul-2012
Michael, Was your Dad one of
those who retired in 1964 when the 211 went from single to double deck
for 4 years, before becoming the E1?. . . . Going back to the 17, it
started from Southall Garage, but in those days it was called Hanwell
garage as the trolleybuses were kept at Hanwell "depot". The name was
changed to "Southall Garage" in about 1951 as before the war as that
part of the Uxbr Rd (EAST
of the Iron Bridge) was still 'known' locally as Hanwell from the days
before it became 'built up', (probably because it was Hanwell Asylum
nearby). Just like Greenford (which also seems to have "moved" over
the years), it is much clearer theses days that the Brent is the
boundary as that is where W7, the furthest west London postal district
ends. "Greenford" initially was up by Greenford station and Greenford
Green was even a bit further north. Greenford around the Ruislip Road
area was "Great Greenford" from even earlier days when Great Greenford
was "Greenford Magna" and Perivale was originally 'Greenford Parva'
which gradually morphed into 'Perivale' ... more >>
- Re: PLAYGROUND AREA SOUTHALL PARK EARLY 1950's
by Michael Braden (Member 10097376) on 4-Jul-2012
Keith, dad retired in 1954. You are right, he was put on the 211 to finish his years without having to climb stairs.
- Re: PLAYGROUND AREA SOUTHALL PARK EARLY 1950's
by keith williams (Member 10241513) on 5-Jul-2012
Michael. . . .The 211 was a sort
of "reward". An easy route for drivers with light buses and easy
schedules, and no stairs for conductors, but full pay nonetheless - the
same pay as if they were driving heavy double deck buses through central
London.
|
|
Evergreen magazine
|
by Zeta Stanley (Member 10256988) on 6-Jun-2012
|
I have been looking through this little book and found some really
funny little ditties. - "to write with a broken pencil is pointless" -
"a will is a dead giveaway" - "a boiled egg is hard to beat" - "he had a
photographic memory which was never developed". I thought these were
well put.
- Re: Evergreen magazine
by Zeta Stanley (Member 10256988) on 6-Jun-2012
I have just found another one,
thought you might like it, "Talking to myself is not a source of
aggravation, for it's the only time I get a decent conversation!!!"
- Re: Evergreen magazine
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 6-Jun-2012
you say eggs...reminds so
many.......egg on face..which comes first chicken or egg..cant make
omlette without breaking eggs...hes a good egg.........clever
egghead.......walking on egg shells....brave little soldiers dunk bread
fingers in boiled egg.......egg shell paint...........they open..left
side buck palace..displays..like..royal family faberge eggs...is
beautiful inside..displays......................clever
technology today...those projections..on buck palace...like in madness
pop song our house..........great fun and pyro
technics..splendid................they said the mall.wide admiralty
arch..wide.areas strand..etc..not built till edward 7th..he wanted like
paris.....people had clung on to narrow dense lanes..of old london...... ... more >>
- Re: Evergreen magazine
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 6-Jun-2012
Talking about eggs - I often wondered where the expression came from "She always tried to egg him on!"
- Re: Evergreen magazine
by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 7-Jun-2012
I came across this Pauline,
Meaning
To egg someone on is to encourage them and urge them forward.
Origin
This little term has nothing to do with bird's eggs. Nor is it connected
with the phrase that employs the other common usage of 'egg' as a verb,
i.e. 'over-egg the pudding'. The 'egg' of 'egg on' is a straightforward
variant of 'edge', so to 'egg someone on' is to edge, or urge, them
forward. Egg and edge both have the look and feel of Viking words and
this first impressions turns out to be correct, as they both derive from
the Old Norse 'eddja'.
Egg has been used as a verb in English since around the 13th century and
appears in print in the Trinity College Homer, in the form of 'eggede',
circa 1200.
To 'egg on' appears later. It is used in Thomas Drant's translation of
Horace - Horace his arte of poetrie, pistles and satyrs englished, 1566:
"Ile egge them on to speake some thyng, whiche spoken may repent them
... more >>
- Re: Evergreen magazine
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 7-Jun-2012
Thanks for that Fred - very
interesting, specially the translation of Horace. It's good to know
where the word derived from all those years ago.
- Re: Evergreen magazine
by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 8-Jun-2012
Yes wasn't Horace the bane of Billy Bunter's life? Him & Latin declensions.
- Re: Evergreen magazine
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 8-Jun-2012
I knew bits about Billy Bunter, but didn't read the Magnet. Horace Hacker (referred to as "the Acid drop").
- Re: Evergreen magazine
by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 10-Jun-2012
I don't think he liked The Acid
Drop but he was also frigthened as they all were by the translation of
Horace. I remember Dennis Norden recalling how one of the pupils, Hurree
Ramjet Singh was always saying "Oh the awfulness is terrific.
- Re: Evergreen magazine
by Pauline Sykes (Member 10235828) on 10-Jun-2012
I don't know about any of that
Fred, but when Dennis Norden was mentioned, who I really liked, I
wondered if he is still alive. He would be 90 now, as he was born in
1922! He had such a dry sense of humour. I hope he is still with us.
- Re: Evergreen magazine
by Fred Gough (Member 10041641) on 10-Jun-2012
From what I can gather Pauline,
he's still alive at 90. Though I liked the work of Frank Muir on My Word
the stories of Dennis were always the funniest.
- Re: Evergreen magazine
by Yvonne Butler (Member 10237916) on 10-Jun-2012
yes ok 1922 born..tv know them
comedy..with frank muir..liked him call my bluff....they were take it
from here....sad the tv awards and theatrical...tv shows when they show
all those passed away.as tribute..so familiar to us..such gt
entertainment...radio.4 extra is good..showing repeats of the
best..digital radio or 708 freeview tv sound...
|
|